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RudyW |
Hi, I'm runing Koha 18 on Ubuntu 18.04 - Yesterday al of a sudden the Koha site did not come up and I realized it had to do with koha-plack. Site is ok it plack is disabled, but very slow. What could have happen? Has anyone had the same problem? |
| 01:57 |
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RudyW |
from the plack-error.log : Error while loading /etc/koha/plack.psgi: Can't load application from file /usr/share/koha/api/v1/app.pl: [JSON::Validator] Get http://swagger.io/v2/schema.json |
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RudyW |
Any plack experts here? |
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mtj |
hi RudyW |
| 05:56 |
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mtj |
RudyW: you probably have hit this problem... http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]06-td6092587.html |
| 06:09 |
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mtj |
https://bugs.koha-community.or[…].cgi?id=23653#c11 |
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huginn |
Bug 23653: major, P5 - low, ---, dcook, RESOLVED FIXED, Plack fails when http://swagger.io/v2/schema.json is unavailable and schema cache missing |
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reiveune |
hello |
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alex_a |
Bonjour |
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fridolin |
hi there |
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| 06:59 |
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cait1 |
some zebra experts around? |
| 07:00 |
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cait1 |
fridolin: maybe? |
| 07:00 |
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fridolin |
i am |
| 07:03 |
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fridolin |
cait1: yep ? |
| 07:03 |
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cait1 |
oh thx |
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| 07:04 |
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cait1 |
we have an issue with one library where the /tmp directory is full |
| 07:04 |
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fridolin |
ohhhh whe had this |
| 07:04 |
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cait1 |
biblios/tmp |
| 07:04 |
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fridolin |
rebuilding uses /tmp indeed to export records |
| 07:04 |
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cait1 |
we didn't rebuild or touch that installation... so it's a bit strange |
| 07:05 |
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cait1 |
and they are not super busy usually |
| 07:05 |
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fridolin |
cait1: ah this can come from config "truncmax" |
| 07:06 |
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fridolin |
when set "truncmax: 10000" because higher value can generate lots of files in biblios/tmp |
| 07:06 |
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fridolin |
same for "sortmax: 1000" |
| 07:06 |
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fridolin |
higher value is dangerous |
| 07:06 |
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cait1 |
i don't think we have higher values there... but better to check |
| 07:07 |
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cait1 |
saying: pretty sure we didn't change the default |
| 07:07 |
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cait1 |
waht dues truncmax do? |
| 07:07 |
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cait1 |
and which file is that? |
| 07:07 |
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fridolin |
cait1: default is "truncmax: 1000000000" |
| 07:07 |
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fridolin |
etc/zebradb/zebra-biblios-dom.cfg |
| 07:07 |
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cait1 |
oh |
| 07:08 |
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cait1 |
for the immediate issue... can those files in .tmp be deleted? or how best to deal with it? |
| 07:08 |
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fridolin |
cait1: this config limits the number of truncations to check for search matches |
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fridolin |
cait1: you can delete them indeed, var/lib/zebradb/biblios/tmp/ should only contain README |
| 07:09 |
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fridolin |
big files there may be a bug of zebra himseft |
| 07:09 |
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fridolin |
cait1: which zebra package do you use ? |
| 07:09 |
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fridolin |
debian ? or from indexdata ? |
| 07:10 |
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cait1 |
for this library we switched to newest zebra - indexdata i think |
| 07:10 |
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cait1 |
because we were trying to solve this issue |
| 07:10 |
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cait1 |
i can see inside the installation, right? checking |
| 07:11 |
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cait1 |
Zebra 2.2.2 |
| 07:11 |
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cait1 |
? |
| 07:11 |
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cait1 |
thy are using ICU |
| 07:12 |
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fridolin |
ok whe have the same config and version |
| 07:12 |
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fridolin |
maybe they have syspref QueryStemming making a lot of truncations |
| 07:13 |
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fridolin |
its a limit of Zebra, Elastic is in the air ;) |
| 07:13 |
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cait1 |
hm maybe |
| 07:13 |
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cait1 |
they have original script |
| 07:13 |
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cait1 |
could that confuse it? |
| 07:14 |
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ashimema |
morning |
| 07:14 |
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cait1 |
fridolin: stemming is off |
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cait1 |
weighting is off |
| 07:14 |
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cait1 |
fuzzy is on |
| 07:18 |
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cait1 |
fridolin++ btw, thx :) |
| 07:19 |
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fridolin |
your welcome |
| 07:19 |
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cait1 |
is there a consequence of deleting the files? |
| 07:19 |
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cait1 |
like should we do a full reindex some time or so? |
| 07:25 |
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fridolin |
the files are generated by search queries |
| 07:25 |
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fridolin |
not indexing |
| 07:26 |
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fridolin |
but you may full reindex sometimes for missed records |
| 07:26 |
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cait1 |
ok, i can check if the index is missing something first |
| 07:27 |
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fridolin |
indeed |
| 07:27 |
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fridolin |
sometimes deletes are missing so there are more in index than in database ^^ |
| 07:28 |
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cait1 |
i'll check the numbers as a first step and see if they are different |
| 07:30 |
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mtj |
hi cait1, there is a patch about to get the zebra-rebuild to use another dir |
| 07:30 |
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mtj |
https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=12120 |
| 07:30 |
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huginn |
Bug 12120: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Failed QA , Add --tempdir arg to rebuild_zebra.pl |
| 07:36 |
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cait1 |
thx mtj :) |
| 07:42 |
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cait1 |
mtj++ fridolin++ |
| 07:45 |
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mtj |
its an old patch, but has been running in production for years |
| 07:48 |
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cait1 |
hm any idea what mark's problem was and if we coudl get this back int he queues? |
| 07:53 |
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fridolin |
note that this tempdir is for indexing not for quering |
| 07:53 |
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fridolin |
for indexing (rebuild_zebra.pl) whe use steps of 5000 records |
| 07:54 |
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fridolin |
to avoid /tmp full of Gigas |
| 07:54 |
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fridolin |
for this also Elasticsearch has no problem ^^ |
| 07:55 |
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cait1 |
fridolin: hm didn't you say it was caused by searching? |
| 07:57 |
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cait1 |
sorry, getting a little confused :) |
| 07:59 |
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fridolin |
there are 2 tempdirs, /tmp is for indexing, searching will use var/lib/zebradb/biblios/tmp/ |
| 07:59 |
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fridolin |
both are important |
| 07:59 |
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fridolin |
but usually searching tempdir is nearly empty |
| 07:59 |
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fridolin |
cait1: ^ |
| 08:16 |
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Joubu |
fridolin: can you ask Arthur to have a look at bug 20985 please? |
| 08:16 |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=20985 normal, P5 - low, ---, arthur.suzuki, Pushed to master , CanBookBeReserved and CanItemBeReserved should check 'On shelf holds allowed' policy |
| 08:34 |
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fridolin |
Joubu: yep ok |
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| 09:07 |
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Joubu |
mtj: https://gitlab.com/mjames/koha[…]/commits/21.05-ka I don't see 28519 there :-/ |
| 09:07 |
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Joubu |
erk |
| 09:07 |
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Joubu |
it's there |
| 09:08 |
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Joubu |
lol |
| 09:08 |
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Joubu |
/clear |
| 09:09 |
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Joubu |
mtj: I don't see 28489 however |
| 09:24 |
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fridolin |
Bug 28569 for koha with loooooooots of libraries |
| 09:24 |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=28569 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Needs Signoff , In opac-suggestions.pl preselect user library |
| 09:28 |
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Joubu |
mtj: in the configuration for the job to test 28519+28489 (Koha_21.05_D10-ka) I see that you are wget https://gitlab.com/mjames/koha[…]ocker-compose.yml |
| 09:28 |
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Joubu |
mtj: there you are using image: kohaaloha/koha-testing:${KOHA_IMAGE}, with KOHA_IMAGE=21.05-buster |
| 09:28 |
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Joubu |
I tried and updatedb && locate yamlxs, there is no result |
| 09:30 |
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mtj |
hi Joubu, about for a bit... |
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| 09:32 |
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mtj |
hi cait re .. "hm any idea what mark's problem was and if we coudl get this back int he queues?" |
| 09:33 |
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Joubu |
mtj: can you confirm the "21.05-buster" there https://hub.docker.com/r/kohaa[…]pdated&name=21.05 is using origin/21.05.x+28489 ? |
| 09:34 |
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Joubu |
it's not what I am seeing when I run it |
| 09:34 |
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mtj |
Joubu: oops, it does not have 28489 applied, just 28519 |
| 09:35 |
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mtj |
..i did not see the dependency |
| 09:35 |
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Joubu |
mtj: even with 28519 only I should see the yamlxs.pm file |
| 09:35 |
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Joubu |
in /usr/share... |
| 09:37 |
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Joubu |
well, or it means the patch does not work :) |
| 09:38 |
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mtj |
1 tic.. |
| 09:48 |
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cait1 |
fridolin++ |
| 09:49 |
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mtj |
Joubu: hmm, i might have pushed the wrong pkg to my dev apt repo |
| 09:52 |
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Joubu |
mtj: yes, I was expecting to see a "21.05-ka" tag in your docker tag list. Is that correct? |
| 09:52 |
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Joubu |
or is that expected to use 21.05-buster? |
| 09:52 |
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Joubu |
nvm, I let you deal with that :) |
| 09:53 |
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Joubu |
tell me when it's ready to be tested |
| 09:53 |
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mtj |
ill rebuild again with 28489 added |
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mtj |
hi Joubu, 21.05-buster image is up https://hub.docker.com/r/kohaa[…]koha-testing/tags |
| 10:45 |
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mtj |
it looks ok |
| 10:46 |
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mtj |
mason xen1:~$ docker run -ti kohaaloha/koha-testing:21.05-buster bash |
| 10:46 |
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mtj |
root2d3e32cfe160:/usr/share/koha# tree -f | grep -i yaml |
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mtj |
└── ./lib/CGI/Session/Serialize/yamlxs.pm |
| 10:50 |
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mtj |
pkg built from https://gitlab.com/mjames/koha[…]mmits/21.05.00-ka |
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tuxayo |
hi #koha o/ |
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Joubu |
is ktd broken for someone else? |
| 12:28 |
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cait1 |
kohadevbox forever :P |
| 12:29 |
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Joubu |
hum, I had local changes, I am the one who is broken apparently |
| 12:30 |
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cait1 |
oh no |
| 12:31 |
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cait1 |
we need to kintsugi Joubu |
| 12:34 |
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Joubu |
kintsugi my laptop first ;) |
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cait1 |
Joubu: you have to admit, it would look quite cool... |
| 12:36 |
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cait1 |
but since I think gold works with electricity... i am not sure if it's the best move |
| 12:37 |
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Joubu |
worth a try, cannot be worst :D |
| 12:45 |
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huginn |
News from kohagit: Revert "Bug 20985: Unit tests" <https://git.koha-community.org[…]ca6f2d1b7f11c00cf> |
| 12:45 |
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huginn |
News from kohagit: Revert "Bug 20985: Add OnShelfHoldsAllowed checks to CanItemBeReserved" <https://git.koha-community.org[…]65e5d786f745ec78a> |
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koha-jenkins |
Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #610: STILL UNSTABLE in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]9_MDB_Latest/610/ |
| 13:25 |
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Joubu |
bug 28570 - hummm? |
| 13:25 |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=28570 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, ASSIGNED , bor_issues_top.pl using a /tmp file to log debug |
| 13:27 |
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koha-jenkins |
Project Koha_Master_U20 build #126: STILL UNSTABLE in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U20/126/ |
| 13:33 |
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Joubu |
dev meeting in ~30 |
| 13:34 |
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tcohen |
damn |
| 13:35 |
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cait1 |
clock is ticking.. :) |
| 13:35 |
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tcohen |
next meetings? |
| 13:35 |
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ashimema |
our bots seem less and less reliable |
| 13:36 |
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* ashimema |
wonders about an irc bot host on partainer now.. hehe |
| 13:36 |
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ashimema |
https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Next_IRC_meetings |
| 13:36 |
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Joubu |
next_meetings? |
| 13:36 |
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Joubu |
next meeting? |
| 13:36 |
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Joubu |
next meeting is https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ext_IRC_meetings? |
| 13:36 |
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Joubu |
ok, it's not here |
| 13:37 |
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Joubu |
ashimema: I wrote a bot last year, when we lost huginn for several days |
| 13:37 |
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Joubu |
will try to find the code |
| 13:38 |
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tcohen |
Joubu I will add the 'portainer' stuff to the agenda |
| 13:38 |
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tcohen |
the bot could be a fit there |
| 13:41 |
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ashimema |
:) |
| 13:44 |
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koha-jenkins |
Project Koha_Master_U_Stable build #189: STILL UNSTABLE in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ter_U_Stable/189/ |
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koha-jenkins |
Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #591: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 9 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]aster_D9_My8/591/ |
| 13:56 |
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koha-jenkins |
Project Koha_Master_D10_CPAN build #354: STILL UNSTABLE in 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ter_D10_CPAN/354/ |
| 13:57 |
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koha-jenkins |
Project Koha_Master_D11 build #318: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 11 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D11/318/ |
| 13:59 |
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tuxayo |
qa_team? rmaints? |
| 13:59 |
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tcohen |
hi |
| 13:59 |
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Joubu |
Martin is not around, I will chair |
| 14:00 |
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tuxayo |
qa_team is cait, dcook, amoyano, ashimema, marcelr, kohaputti, jajm, tcohen, josef_moravec, kidclamp, khall, tuxayo, petrova |
| 14:00 |
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tuxayo |
rmaints is probably fridolin, khall, kidclamp and tuxayo |
| 14:00 |
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Joubu |
#startmeeting Development IRC meeting 16 June 2021 |
| 14:00 |
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huginn |
Meeting started Wed Jun 16 14:00:32 2021 UTC. The chair is Joubu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:00 |
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huginn |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
| 14:00 |
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Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 16 June 2021) |
| 14:00 |
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huginn |
The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_16_june_2021' |
| 14:00 |
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Joubu |
#link Development_IRC_meeting_16_June_2021 |
| 14:00 |
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Joubu |
#link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ting_16_June_2021 |
| 14:00 |
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tuxayo |
rmaint in also wainui |
| 14:00 |
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Joubu |
#topic Introductions |
| 14:00 |
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Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 16 June 2021) |
| 14:01 |
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tuxayo |
*es |
| 14:01 |
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tuxayo |
*is |
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Joubu |
#info Jonathan Druart |
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| 14:01 |
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tcohen |
#info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions |
| 14:01 |
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Joubu |
The bot (wahanui) is not here, tuxayo |
| 14:01 |
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thd |
#info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 14:01 |
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tuxayo |
Joubu: that's why I'm doing the job manually ^^" |
| 14:01 |
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ashimema |
#info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK |
| 14:01 |
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tuxayo |
low-tech++ |
| 14:01 |
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tuxayo |
#info tuxayo/Victor Grousset, France |
| 14:01 |
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* ashimema |
is on the school run, but will try to join by phone |
| 14:02 |
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henryb |
#info Henry Bolshaw, House of Lords, UK |
| 14:02 |
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kidclamp |
#info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions |
| 14:03 |
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Joubu |
cait1, are you around? |
| 14:03 |
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Joubu |
#topic Announcements |
| 14:03 |
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Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 16 June 2021) |
| 14:03 |
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Joubu |
(keep the info for roadmap's topics for later) |
| 14:03 |
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fridolin |
#info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, France |
| 14:04 |
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* fridolin |
waves |
| 14:04 |
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Joubu |
About the meeting facilitator role, I will join ashimema. We are going to prepare the meetings, like 2 days in advance |
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| 14:04 |
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Joubu |
we will ping people with #actions and those who added topics to the agenda |
| 14:04 |
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Joubu |
the idea is to collect info ahead of the meeting |
| 14:05 |
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Joubu |
so please answer us if you get an email :) |
| 14:05 |
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Joubu |
something else? |
| 14:05 |
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ashimema |
+1 |
| 14:05 |
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cait1 |
oh sorry |
| 14:05 |
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cait1 |
yes |
| 14:05 |
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cait1 |
#info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 14:05 |
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fridolin |
superbe |
| 14:05 |
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ashimema |
Thanks for the support Joubu.. apologies the meetings so far have caught me by surprise a bit |
| 14:05 |
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Joubu |
#topic Update from the Release manager (21.11) |
| 14:05 |
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Topic for #koha is now Update from the Release manager (21.11) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 16 June 2021) |
| 14:06 |
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Joubu |
Basically everything is (too) quiet, although we have tons of things planned :) |
| 14:06 |
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Joubu |
1. Jenkins is red for a couple of days because of the "ugly patch" for the YAML::XS serializer for CGI::Session. |
| 14:06 |
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Joubu |
We moved it to a lib directory and bug 28519 that is waiting for QA. |
| 14:06 |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=28519 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Signed Off , Add a 2nd directory for Perl modules |
| 14:06 |
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Joubu |
I will push it tomorrow if nobody PQA it (!) |
| 14:06 |
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Joubu |
We need it for the 21.05.0 |
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| 14:07 |
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cait1 |
I expect no strings with that, but plz keep string freeze in mind |
| 14:07 |
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tuxayo |
hi khall :) |
| 14:07 |
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cait1 |
for other patches |
| 14:07 |
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Joubu |
2. I sent some emails for the roadmap topics (more info in the dedicate agenda topic) and I am starting to prioritize them (will depend on the reply I get) |
| 14:07 |
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Joubu |
3. Also sent an email to koha-devel about the early-push candidates for 21.06 |
| 14:07 |
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ashimema |
Sorry, my QA time has been zero so far this cycle.. vacation, audit at work and other things getting in the way.. I hope to return asap |
| 14:07 |
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Joubu |
Bug 17600, bug 27526, bug 17427 and bug 25078 |
| 14:08 |
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cait1 |
similar, working through things, hope to have more time soon |
| 14:08 |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=17600 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Standardize the EXPORT |
| 14:08 |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27526 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Remove Mod/AddItemFromMarc from additem.pl |
| 14:08 |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=17427 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Replace CGI::Session with Data::Session |
| 14:08 |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=25078 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Update DB process - wrap each DBRev inside a transaction and better error handling |
| 14:08 |
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Joubu |
I really would like some pair of eyes on them this week or next week, they are important moves and must be pushed ASAP. |
| 14:08 |
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cait1 |
... but also little help with those apart from reminding devs |
| 14:08 |
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Joubu |
ASAP: in the next couple of weeks |
| 14:08 |
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Joubu |
any questions? |
| 14:08 |
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cait1 |
I'll make sure to include those in the next QA mail |
| 14:09 |
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koha-jenkins |
Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1679: STILL UNSTABLE in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D9/1679/ |
| 14:09 |
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tuxayo |
:o |
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Joubu |
17427 won't be pushed in the next couple of week however, IMO we should wait a couple of months to not diverge too much too quickly with 21.05.x (CGI::Session vs Data::Session) |
| 14:10 |
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Joubu |
questions, actions, nothing? |
| 14:11 |
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tcohen |
I'm not sure |
| 14:11 |
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Joubu |
#topic Updates from the Release Maintainers |
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Topic for #koha is now Updates from the Release Maintainers (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 16 June 2021) |
| 14:11 |
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Joubu |
not sure about? |
| 14:11 |
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tcohen |
what actions can we do, or how we split in teams to tackle things |
| 14:11 |
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fridolin |
I'm waiting on 21.05.x pushes |
| 14:11 |
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tuxayo |
20.05: handover done on old branch, handover received on new branch, first backports done. |
| 14:12 |
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ashimema |
tuxayo++ |
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tuxayo |
Do we have security repo access? |
| 14:12 |
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ashimema |
Are Wainui and Aliesha happy with things now |
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| 14:13 |
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Joubu |
ashimema: yes |
| 14:13 |
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ashimema |
You should be able to tell that from the git UI tuxayo |
| 14:13 |
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ashimema |
Brill, thanks Joubu |
| 14:13 |
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tuxayo |
ashimema: thank, I'll check that out |
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kidclamp |
when Kyle is back we will coordinate on pushing for 21.05, he has been on vacation |
| 14:13 |
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Joubu |
tuxayo: did you use the security repo last cycle? |
| 14:13 |
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fridolin |
oki no pb |
| 14:13 |
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kidclamp |
tomorrow |
| 14:13 |
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tuxayo |
Joubu: thankfully, nope :D |
| 14:14 |
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fridolin |
(fingercrossed) |
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Joubu |
nobody has push access apparently |
| 14:14 |
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ashimema |
You will this cycle.. I'm working on a few |
| 14:14 |
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Joubu |
drop me an email please, I will have a look tomorrow |
| 14:14 |
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tuxayo |
ashimema: noooo |
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| 14:15 |
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tuxayo |
ok thanks |
| 14:15 |
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Joubu |
kidclamp: there are few 21.05 candidates (see the bz kw), don't forget them |
| 14:15 |
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ashimema |
Interesting |
| 14:15 |
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Joubu |
#topic Updates from the QA team |
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Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 16 June 2021) |
| 14:16 |
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Joubu |
I am running behind, and I would like to rely stronly on the QA team for the next couple of week (/one month?) |
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Joubu |
please QA in conservative mode |
| 14:16 |
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tuxayo |
No time for QA yet, still following up on ticket where I got answers, rebases, ect |
| 14:17 |
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tcohen |
ok |
| 14:17 |
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cait1 |
we'll try our best |
| 14:17 |
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Joubu |
nothing from QAers? |
| 14:17 |
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Joubu |
I mean, others? |
| 14:18 |
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cait1 |
I've been sending the welcome eamil and 2 more - we are already in week 3 |
| 14:18 |
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ashimema |
So far this cycle is shaping up to be a busy one work wise for me.. just a warning there that I will try to QA but likely won't hit the flow I have been the last couple of cycles |
| 14:18 |
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cait1 |
shoutout to kidclamp who took quite a few bugs out of our list last week :) |
| 14:18 |
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cait1 |
I'll also remind more about "long sitting" bugs as i'd like to reduce the max time a bug sits in QA queue |
| 14:18 |
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Joubu |
yes, great QA run kidclamp, thanks! :) |
| 14:19 |
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cait1 |
priorites apply as usually of course - bugs before enh etc. |
| 14:19 |
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kidclamp |
will try to keep up:-) |
| 14:19 |
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cait1 |
a lot of bugs are a bit "out of reach" for me these days |
| 14:19 |
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cait1 |
in terms of complexity |
| 14:19 |
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ashimema |
kidclamp++ |
| 14:19 |
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tuxayo |
The recall one is tough, bug 19532 |
| 14:19 |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=19532 new feature, P1 - high, ---, aleisha, Signed Off , Recalls for Koha |
| 14:20 |
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cait1 |
but will try to remind and pick on the others whenever i can |
| 14:20 |
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cait1 |
if someone wants to team of up something - always happy to (like split GUI testing and technical) |
| 14:20 |
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ashimema |
I can't commit to the submitted recalls.. it would cause big issues here as it's not at all what we think of as recalls |
| 14:20 |
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cait1 |
i think the question is if it's just a name problem |
| 14:21 |
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cait1 |
if the featue is still useful, we shoudl consider it maybe |
| 14:21 |
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cait1 |
and talk about how to communicate the difference from a classical recall feature |
| 14:21 |
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tcohen |
bug 25260 could be a good team work for QA team members |
| 14:21 |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=25260 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Merge 'reserves' and 'old_reserves' into a new 'holds' table |
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ashimema |
I'd like to see that one in tcohen.. I thought it was waiting for a rebasr or other work or something |
| 14:22 |
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henryb |
I hadn't noticed that it was recalls by patrons rather than the library |
| 14:22 |
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Joubu |
we need to sync and coordinate, or we won't finish anything (like the last cycle) |
| 14:23 |
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Joubu |
I am moving on |
| 14:23 |
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ashimema |
The logic is also somewhat weird/different henryb . Would love a librarians opinion for naming it |
| 14:23 |
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Joubu |
need to keep the meeting in its track |
| 14:23 |
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cait1 |
henryb: i think comments from a library might help get it moving |
| 14:23 |
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tcohen |
we could call them 'patron recalls' :-P |
| 14:23 |
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cait1 |
Joubu++ |
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tuxayo |
to support companies: get customer feedback on it :) |
| 14:23 |
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cait1 |
patron driven recalls? |
| 14:24 |
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Joubu |
if we need a discussion, we should start it ASAP on the mailing list |
| 14:24 |
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Joubu |
action? |
| 14:24 |
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ashimema |
Moving on |
| 14:24 |
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Joubu |
#topic Status of roadmap projects |
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Topic for #koha is now Status of roadmap projects (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 16 June 2021) |
| 14:24 |
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Joubu |
I selected a few |
| 14:25 |
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Joubu |
I sent an email to the workgroups for: |
| 14:25 |
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Joubu |
* Get rid of non-XSLT views |
| 14:25 |
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Joubu |
=> We are going to remove the non-XSLT views even if not all features have been moved, unless someone is opposed to that |
| 14:25 |
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Joubu |
* Fix item visibility at the OPAC |
| 14:25 |
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ashimema |
Nice |
| 14:25 |
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Joubu |
=> Waiting for answers |
| 14:26 |
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Joubu |
* Koha Cookbook Project |
| 14:26 |
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Joubu |
=> No answer yet |
| 14:26 |
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Joubu |
* Accessibility Improvements |
| 14:26 |
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Joubu |
Henry is going to work on the bug listed |
| 14:26 |
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Joubu |
henryb: do you want to say something about it? |
| 14:26 |
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fridolin |
++ |
| 14:26 |
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ashimema |
Excellent henryb, |
| 14:27 |
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henryb |
The bugs are mostly small things like adding labels |
| 14:27 |
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cait1 |
I saw a lot of accessibility bugs move past - are those on the list? |
| 14:27 |
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fridolin |
"a small step for men ... |
| 14:27 |
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Joubu |
a lot has been pushed into 21.05 |
| 14:27 |
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henryb |
There's one to fix the colour contrast issues on the OPAC which again is probably lots of small tweaks |
| 14:27 |
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cait1 |
henryb++ small steps are good |
| 14:27 |
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fridolin |
they are not in 20.11.x to avoid to much backport job and translations |
| 14:28 |
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henryb |
Wainui is working on some others too like adding legends to tables |
| 14:28 |
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Joubu |
(https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha_21.11_roadmap < we are talking about that, but you all know that) |
| 14:28 |
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cait1 |
we had a question about this at the german user group meeting actually - so it seems there is definitely interest (contrast that is) |
| 14:28 |
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henryb |
I think they all have the 'accessibility' keyword but they're not all listed on the roadmap document |
| 14:29 |
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henryb |
That's it from me unless anyone has questions or ideas |
| 14:30 |
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Joubu |
https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]run&sharer_id=378 |
| 14:30 |
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Joubu |
that's the list |
| 14:30 |
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Joubu |
thanks henryb, we will keep an eye on those bugs! |
| 14:30 |
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Joubu |
* Wiki migration |
| 14:30 |
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Joubu |
I sent en email and still waiting for more replies |
| 14:30 |
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Joubu |
We need to decide on the software (migrate to a newer version of mediawiki or switch to dokuwiki) |
| 14:31 |
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Joubu |
so either we restart the discussion on the general koha ML, or decide during a meeting? |
| 14:31 |
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cait1 |
Joubu: sitting on a draft repy for that |
| 14:31 |
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cait1 |
i think my main concern is moving from one wiki to another... |
| 14:31 |
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Joubu |
or we (the 4,5 members in the workgroup) decide? |
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thd |
I have been posting updates in the bug. |
| 14:32 |
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cait1 |
in terms of both requiring wiki snytax etc. so there won't be much innovation, it's more bug fixing |
| 14:32 |
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tuxayo |
> I sent en email |
| 14:32 |
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tuxayo |
Is it in the general list? There are thing in march |
| 14:32 |
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Joubu |
tuxayo: to the workgroup only |
| 14:32 |
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cait1 |
tuxayo: to everyone who signed up |
| 14:32 |
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cait1 |
for the topic |
| 14:32 |
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tuxayo |
ok |
| 14:33 |
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Joubu |
no opinion? |
| 14:33 |
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tuxayo |
mediawiki++ |
| 14:33 |
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Joubu |
thd: what's your opinion about this question? |
| 14:33 |
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cait1 |
i think dokuwiki woudl work well, but requires some changes |
| 14:33 |
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fridolin |
50% 50% for me |
| 14:33 |
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thd |
I have successfully tested excluding old content from simple search using the Vector skin. |
| 14:34 |
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ashimema |
I am open to either, but have basically no experience with doku |
| 14:34 |
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thd |
We have working code which I have posted for migrating the database and upgrading MediaWiki. |
| 14:34 |
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thd |
I am preparing another update. |
| 14:34 |
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thd |
... to the code. |
| 14:34 |
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ashimema |
If we go the mediawiki route I do think we should add the editor |
| 14:35 |
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cait1 |
editor = more wysiqyg? |
| 14:35 |
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thd |
I favour MediaWiki over Dokuwiki for much better support for many issues. |
| 14:35 |
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ashimema |
Yup |
| 14:35 |
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ashimema |
Go play on Wikipedia.. it has the editor |
| 14:35 |
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cait1 |
i think they are really different "beasts" in some aspects |
| 14:35 |
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tuxayo |
ashimema: is that the thing that requires another service running? i've stumbled upon that when trying to setup my own mediawiki |
| 14:35 |
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ashimema |
Very much wysiwyg |
| 14:35 |
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ashimema |
Yup |
| 14:35 |
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cait1 |
got no acount, but will try to look it up then |
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thd |
MediaWiki has the new VisualEditor extension. |
| 14:36 |
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cait1 |
i think a part of our issue is that it's not easy to sue right now, i am in favor of trying an editor if there is one |
| 14:36 |
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cait1 |
so that's a point for mediawiki then |
| 14:36 |
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cait1 |
there are visual editors for dokuwiki, but i never found one that really worked well |
| 14:36 |
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ashimema |
I've not used either much recently but did have experience with mediawiki for a few years |
| 14:36 |
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fridolin |
bah we code so we are not afraid of wiki syntax |
| 14:36 |
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cait1 |
especially if you switch modes |
| 14:36 |
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tuxayo |
cait1: no need for an accoun to play with the sandbox to test things https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sandbox |
| 14:36 |
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cait1 |
thx tuxayo! |
| 14:37 |
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ashimema |
Yup |
| 14:37 |
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henryb |
As a complete beginner, mediawiki looks nicer and easier to use |
| 14:37 |
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thd |
There is a years old bug that search by tag is broken in MediaWiki. |
| 14:37 |
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cait1 |
ok, so if we are leaning mediawiki |
| 14:37 |
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thd |
ooops |
| 14:37 |
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cait1 |
1) Figure out the update |
| 14:37 |
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thd |
There is a years old bug that search by tag is broken in Dokuwiki. |
| 14:37 |
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cait1 |
2) figure out a concept to mark outdated content for review? |
| 14:37 |
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thd |
Search by tag has always worked in MediaWiki. |
| 14:38 |
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cait1 |
thd: i think tagging is actually a plugin fature in dokuwiki |
| 14:38 |
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tuxayo |
fridolin: «we code so we are not afraid of wiki syntax» a lot of stuff on the wiki is not only tech stuff |
| 14:38 |
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ashimema |
There are loads of templates available for mediawiki for maintainence making |
| 14:38 |
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fridolin |
indeed ;) |
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* cait1 |
waves at josef_moravec |
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koha-jenkins |
Project Koha_Master build #1673: STILL UNSTABLE in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_Master/1673/ |
| 14:38 |
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cait1 |
so maybe we should call a wiki meeting to make more precise plans? |
| 14:38 |
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Joubu |
ok, perfect then. We will list/prepare the next steps and will report at the next meeting |
| 14:38 |
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ashimema |
Do it |
| 14:39 |
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Joubu |
cait1: between us it good enough |
| 14:39 |
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ashimema |
:) |
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thd |
cait1: Yes, but the tag which at one time allowed searching by tag has been long broken in MediaWiki. |
| 14:39 |
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Joubu |
small groups |
| 14:39 |
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cait1 |
another plus for updating... user registration |
| 14:39 |
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cait1 |
i am not sure if dokuwiki has the review options (at least witout plugins) and user migration might have been a bit bad |
| 14:39 |
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cait1 |
yep, meant a meeting for the work group |
| 14:39 |
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Joubu |
I am moving on, we have a decision, more than I expected :) |
| 14:39 |
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Joubu |
* Bug 27829 - [OMNIBUS] Remove specific LANG installer data |
| 14:39 |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27829 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , [OMNIBUS] Remove specific LANG installer data |
| 14:40 |
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cait1 |
thx Joubu |
| 14:40 |
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Joubu |
=> Bernardo is working on creating a UNIMARC version for "en" that will be translatable via pootle. |
| 14:40 |
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Joubu |
We are certainly going to remove the specific fr-FR biblio frameworks. |
| 14:40 |
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cait1 |
bgkriegel++ |
| 14:40 |
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Joubu |
I will start the discussion with French (already started a bit) on the fr ML |
| 14:40 |
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Joubu |
I will create a patch for fr-CA and rebase nb-NO |
| 14:40 |
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tcohen |
bgkriegel++ |
| 14:40 |
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Joubu |
the goal is to have them all remove for 21.11 |
| 14:40 |
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cait1 |
Joubu++ too |
| 14:40 |
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Joubu |
removed* |
| 14:40 |
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cait1 |
please have an eye on items - fr-FR has a lot less standard mappings |
| 14:41 |
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Joubu |
that's all for the topics I listed |
| 14:41 |
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ashimema |
That will be so great |
| 14:41 |
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cait1 |
might be nice to bring that up to date with MARC21 a bit more |
| 14:41 |
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Joubu |
cait1: Bernardo is doing a crazy work and is reviewing everything |
| 14:41 |
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cait1 |
wow |
| 14:41 |
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cait1 |
shoudl not have wondered about that :) |
| 14:41 |
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cait1 |
bgkriegel++ |
| 14:41 |
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cait1 |
move on? |
| 14:42 |
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Joubu |
and we trying to provide a UNIMARC framework as closed as possible from the.. |
| 14:42 |
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Joubu |
(cannot find the word) |
| 14:42 |
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Joubu |
standard/norm? |
| 14:42 |
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cait1 |
makes sense yes |
| 14:42 |
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cait1 |
UNIMARC standard |
| 14:42 |
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ashimema |
Excellent |
| 14:42 |
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tuxayo |
fridolin: any french libraries interested? Is actually the default framework much used? |
| 14:43 |
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Joubu |
something else you would like to add about the roadmap topics? |
| 14:43 |
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cait1 |
just a Joubu++ |
| 14:43 |
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Joubu |
I will continue to send few more emails in the upcoming days |
| 14:43 |
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thd |
I disfavour a new wiki. |
| 14:43 |
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Joubu |
and... I will drop the topic if I don't get answers |
| 14:43 |
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cait1 |
thd: i think we have moved on from that |
| 14:43 |
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thd |
Ok. |
| 14:43 |
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cait1 |
but we still need to makr and review tons |
| 14:44 |
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Joubu |
thd: we can continue by email of a bit after the meeting |
| 14:44 |
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fridolin |
sorry i dont know |
| 14:44 |
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Joubu |
or* |
| 14:44 |
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cait1 |
Joubu: that's fair |
| 14:44 |
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Joubu |
#topic Actions from last meeting |
| 14:44 |
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Topic for #koha is now Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 16 June 2021) |
| 14:44 |
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Joubu |
postponing |
| 14:44 |
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Joubu |
(one more time) |
| 14:44 |
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Joubu |
#action ashimema Write a coding guideline to clarify our message types: 'alert' vs 'error' (context of bug 27695) - last postpone |
| 14:44 |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27695 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Fix style of messages on Elasticsearch configuration page |
| 14:44 |
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Joubu |
#action kidclamp Ask the ML for additional info about how to implement opt-out for notices. One idea would be to have "My message" at the OPAC (last postpone) |
| 14:45 |
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henryb |
We should add a standing agenda item: "Postpone actions" :P |
| 14:45 |
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tuxayo |
bgkriegel++ Joubu++ great work on cleanup getting thing closer |
| 14:45 |
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Joubu |
#topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) |
| 14:45 |
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Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 16 June 2021) |
| 14:45 |
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henryb |
(sorry, that's unfair of me to say as I don't have any) |
| 14:45 |
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Joubu |
Sooo |
| 14:45 |
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Joubu |
#topic How to handle command line options vs system preferences in cron jobs? |
| 14:45 |
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Topic for #koha is now How to handle command line options vs system preferences in cron jobs? (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 16 June 2021) |
| 14:45 |
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Joubu |
this one, I haven't prepared, but we need to trigger actions |
| 14:45 |
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cait1 |
that one was from me, i think i added bugs to agenda, sec |
| 14:45 |
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Joubu |
cait1: would you like to resume that please? |
| 14:46 |
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fridolin |
good question |
| 14:46 |
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ashimema |
Good topic |
| 14:46 |
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Joubu |
See Bug 28457 and Bug 25499 for recent discussion. And Bug 24968. |
| 14:46 |
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tcohen |
I propose using the 'configurations' table, to build a UI for managing cronjob default parameters |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=28457 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , cleanup_database.pl self-registration options are not configurable |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=25499 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, CLOSED FIXED, Fund code column is empty when closing a budget |
| 14:46 |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=24968 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add Syspref controls for cronjobs |
| 14:46 |
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Joubu |
tcohen: short term solution, not never implemented solution |
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cait1 |
yes please, we have really needed feature stuck right now |
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tcohen |
-.- |
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cait1 |
and we can migratie |
| 14:46 |
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cait1 |
really open to that |
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cait1 |
ok, so the idea is to move more control from Command line into the preferences/configuration GUI side |
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cait1 |
this is especially helpful when you run multiple instances |
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cait1 |
gives power to the libraries etc |
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cait1 |
and you don't have to write complicated crontabs... |
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tcohen |
I volunteer to write some configuration page for cronjob parameters |
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ashimema |
Excellent |
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cait1 |
i think we can do that and still have a discussion |
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ashimema |
I can test/qa |
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cait1 |
the issue right now is 2 sided I think |
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cait1 |
a) a new parameter for a database_cleanup.pl |
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tcohen |
- default params |
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tcohen |
- what to run |
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cait1 |
so something that hasn't existed before |
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cait1 |
at the moment we have instances where you enable the feature on CLI, but it's controlled by pref |
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cait1 |
do we want the CLI switch? do we need it? |
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tcohen |
CLI switches should be overrides |
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cait1 |
I thought we did.... because I am scared sometimes of things I can't control :) but i'd be open to not require |
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tuxayo |
> more control from Command line into the preferences/configuration GUI side |
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fridolin |
++ for overide |
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* tuxayo |
will need to take a look if they can put evil stuff in that. Muhaha |
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fridolin |
for test instances with prod DB |
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ashimema |
Be nice if we could spot such overrides and now it in the GUI |
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cait1 |
so say... deleting old label batches |
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cait1 |
as an option toe cleanup_database |
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ashimema |
Like we do for the vhost syspref ones |
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cait1 |
at the moment we'd add the "flag" to the conjob call |
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ashimema |
Indeed |
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cait1 |
and then have a pref tell how long they shoudl be kept |
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ashimema |
So very hard to see |
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tcohen |
what is the stuck one? |
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cait1 |
so it#s not really an override, it's more like an on off... |
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Joubu |
bug 25429 (not 25499) |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=25429 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Cleanup Database - remove resolved claims returned from db after X days |
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cait1 |
there are 2 bug i am fraid i got the wrong bug number once mor eon the wiki :( |
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cait1 |
ep that's the one |
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cait1 |
thx Joubu |
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cait1 |
and the other was self regs |
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cait1 |
bug 28457 |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=28457 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , cleanup_database.pl self-registration options are not configurable |
| 14:52 |
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tcohen |
I think those bugs should move forward and add option switches |
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cait1 |
so the question si: CLI additionally to pref for new ones? |
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cait1 |
or just pref and that will be enough to turn the "feature"on |
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tcohen |
because it will then fit with a central config |
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cait1 |
if the pref is empty, the fature is expected to be off |
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ashimema |
I think we need a standard options iterator in the scripts base class that would update a flag of were passed an override so we can thing that the option is being overridden at the flag level |
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cait1 |
if we solved that... 2) is trickier: moving CLI optiosn into GUI - because then you already have crons scheduled that might need to be redone/rewritten |
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cait1 |
so.. how to make it smooth for existing installations |
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tcohen |
just make the current behavior the default |
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cait1 |
you can't |
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tuxayo |
cait1: warning in about page? Maybe something more visible |
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cait1 |
unless you can see what they scheduled for the instance |
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cait1 |
if they set dealy=10 for some option, you need the value |
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cait1 |
delay |
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cait1 |
that applies to this one instance... to rpefill the pref |
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cait1 |
not sure if that is possible |
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cait1 |
i saypref, but it could be a confguaration page of course |
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tcohen |
no |
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tcohen |
you will put some good default value for delay in the UI |
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tcohen |
and the configured cronjob will pass --dekay 10 |
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tcohen |
and that option switch will have more precedence |
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ashimema |
Exactly |
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Joubu |
https://bugs.koha-community.or[…].cgi?id=25429#c35 |
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huginn |
Bug 25429: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Cleanup Database - remove resolved claims returned from db after X days |
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tcohen |
I would totally avoid sysprefs for this |
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ashimema |
Let flags passed take precedence. |
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Joubu |
> It means that you need to have a sysadmin change a cronjob for ALL instances |
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Joubu |
> if there's just 1 instance that wants to be able to use the system |
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Joubu |
> preference "CleanUpDatabaseReturnClaims". |
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Joubu |
(from David) |
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ashimema |
Record that precidence with each run of the script to mark it as being used in the gui |
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ashimema |
That's my feeling |
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ashimema |
Then the librarian can see it's getting overriden... And can ask support to remove that if they want to change it |
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tuxayo |
> to mark it as being used in the gui |
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tuxayo |
nice |
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ashimema |
I like using your configuration table tcohen |
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Joubu |
I don't understand how the GUI will answer ALL the needs. IIUC we need to let the sysop turn off the feature even if the pref is ON |
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tcohen |
I like that idea as well, ashimema (noticing on the UI that is being overridden) |
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Joubu |
BUT David does not like the idea to have a separate cronjob, if one library wants a feature and others don't |
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Joubu |
(It's very warm here so just ignore me if what I am saying does not make sense) |
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tuxayo |
> we need to let the sysop turn off the feature even if the pref is ON |
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tuxayo |
if the cron args have precedence so can it be used to disable also? |
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cait1 |
i think a default for deletes is a bad idea |
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cait1 |
in other cases it works of ocurse |
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cait1 |
but for deletes i'd rather have off as a default |
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Joubu |
actions? what do we do? |
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Joubu |
there is still a topic on the agenda |
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tcohen |
I volunteered to write something we can work on top |
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cait1 |
maybe also comment on th bugs |
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Joubu |
you are suggesting a whole new feature |
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cait1 |
hope we can unlock them |
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Joubu |
when need to unstuck the other bugs |
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cait1 |
logic and implementation beign 2 different things her ei think |
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cait1 |
first we need the logic... that can be moved to somehting nice |
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cait1 |
and for the bugs awaiting using the pattern/logic would be ok already |
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tcohen |
ok, |
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tuxayo |
> default for deletes is a bad idea |
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tuxayo |
Would there be a way to visibly show somewhere a list of important crons with 'sane' exampl defaults. To have a hope that at least basic personal data cleanup would done? |
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tuxayo |
It's easy in the installer but what about existing installs? |
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Joubu |
I don't understand your questions |
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Joubu |
we need to move on anyway |
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Joubu |
please continue the discussion on the bug report |
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Joubu |
bug 25429 is where we discussed it |
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tuxayo2 |
ok |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=25429 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Cleanup Database - remove resolved claims returned from db after X days |
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Joubu |
#topic Community infrastructure management. Docker swarm and Portainer (UI tool) |
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Topic for #koha is now Community infrastructure management. Docker swarm and Portainer (UI tool) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 16 June 2021) |
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Joubu |
tcohen? |
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tcohen |
Theke provided a new server for the community. It is running a 'Docker swarm' with some tools to help with some use cases |
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tcohen |
- We want to interact with it from external places (e.g. webhooks making a service to react/update) |
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tcohen |
- We want to have 'admins' access to services maintenance, even if running on nodes provided by other community members |
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tcohen |
I did it, as a start, to run https://api.koha-community.org |
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tcohen |
and is set so everytime the Docker image for the API docs is updated, the site refreshes |
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tcohen |
the tool I installed there, is Portainer |
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tcohen |
it provides a nice interface for docker swarm |
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tcohen |
and also (more important) an API and webhooks |
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tuxayo2 |
tcohen: so it's an easier way to host community tools for example API doc, schema spy and BZ splitter? |
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tcohen |
yes |
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tcohen |
it handles letsencrypt semi-automatically |
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tcohen |
so, it is really handy |
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tcohen |
my plan is to move jenkins there, once I figure the backup strategy |
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tcohen |
(the api site doesn't need such a thing) |
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tuxayo2 |
great, I don't know who are these Theke people but they have been doing great stuff :D |
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fridolin |
+++ |
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tcohen |
rangi++ # DNS things |
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tcohen |
oh, important |
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tcohen |
we have set *.test.koha-community.org wildcard domain pointing there |
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tuxayo |
like for hosting WIP and PoC stuff? |
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tcohen |
so, if we want to do things like testing some changes to (say) the dashboard or some other tool, we can |
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tcohen |
yes, exactly |
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tcohen |
anyone providing a VPS for the community |
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tuxayo |
ok |
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ashimema |
tcohen++ |
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tcohen |
can run a command there, and make it part of the 'swarm' |
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ashimema |
theke++ |
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tcohen |
so we can run things on any node, from this dashboard |
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ashimema |
tcohen == theke |
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tcohen |
it is all Docker |
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tcohen |
we are not all familiar with it |
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tuxayo |
I know :P |
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tuxayo |
tcohen ++ |
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tcohen |
so feel free to ping me or amoyano |
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tcohen |
and we can help |
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ashimema |
if/when we manage to switch sandboxes to utilise this I'm sure I should be able to switch that ptfs-e server to donate the vps here instead which would give more control to community for the sandboxes |
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tcohen |
ashimema I'm working on tweaking the sandboxes to use swarm instead of the manual stuff we do today |
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ashimema |
awesome |
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tcohen |
I have a recipe, waiting for khall to be back |
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tcohen |
because I'm not familiar with the sandboxes |
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tcohen |
(yet) |
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tcohen |
that's all |
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tcohen |
thanks |
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Joubu |
nope :) |
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Joubu |
what's next? |
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tuxayo |
So this project would decouple more the server donation and it's service management? |
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Joubu |
we listed jenkins and jenkins's nodes |
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Joubu |
those are the easiest ones |
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Joubu |
but which ones do we target after? |
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tcohen |
I think the community site could be one |
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tcohen |
we could add HA to some services as well |
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Joubu |
we also talked about the ML server |
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tcohen |
yup |
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ashimema |
yes tuxaoy |
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ashimema |
that's exactly the idea |
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tuxayo |
nice |
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tcohen |
and we can have several managers |
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tcohen |
on different timezones |
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tcohen |
I picked this tech because it was the simplest |
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tcohen |
lower learning curve |
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* ashimema |
also wants to utilise it as his excuse to get a proper grip on containers ;) |
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Joubu |
all good? |
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Joubu |
#topic Set time of next meeting |
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Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 16 June 2021) |
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Joubu |
#info Next meeting: 30 June 2021, 14 UTC |
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Joubu |
#endmeeting |
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Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software https://koha-community.org |
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huginn |
Meeting ended Wed Jun 16 15:19:20 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
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huginn |
Minutes: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-06-16-14.00.html |
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huginn |
Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]1-06-16-14.00.txt |
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huginn |
Log: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]16-14.00.log.html |
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tuxayo |
Joubu++ |
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reiveune |
bye |
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fridolin |
Could any one have a look at Bug 22801 |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=22801 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Needs Signoff , Advance search yr uses copydate instead of date-of-publication |
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fridolin |
kidclamp: ? |
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fridolin |
its ugly Elacticsearch pb |
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kidclamp |
will look when I can |
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fridolin |
thanks a lot |
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fridolin |
btw no need to be an Elastic expert |
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fridolin |
see u |
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tuxayo |
For next meetings, would it be useful to ping specific people from far away timezones to ask them which topics they need to be discussed? And collect a maximum of info from them? |
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tuxayo |
It would be an intermediate between mailing lists discussions and chat discussion (when people are there simultaneously) |
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tuxayo |
I could do that. |
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thd |
fridolin: An issue that may be outside the scope of bug 22801. Date indexing should really have various fall backs to ensure that some suitable date is captured because original material and thus also cataloguing may be ambiguous. |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=22801 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Needs Signoff , Advance search yr uses copydate instead of date-of-publication |
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koha-jenkins |
Project Koha_Master build #1674: STILL UNSTABLE in 52 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_Master/1674/ |
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tuxayo |
thd: fridolin isn't there anymore. thankfully there is "@later tell" |
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koha-jenkins |
Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1680: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 31 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D9/1680/ |
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tuxayo |
Joubu: BTW my koha-testing-docker works. with up to date ktd repo and image. (Debian 11 and MariaDB 10.5) |
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thd |
@later tell fridolin An issue that may be outside the scope of bug 22801 for which copydate may not be the best variable is the following broader problem. Date indexing should really have various fall backs to ensure that some suitable date is captured for date indexing, because original material and thus also cataloguing may be ambiguous or not have some particular types of dates such as date of publication. Some types of older material and |
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thd |
some types of newer material have worse problems for dates or knowing what type of date is recorded. |
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huginn |
thd: The operation succeeded. |
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thd |
@later tell fridolin [too long to fit in previous later] Some types of older material and some types of newer material have worse problems for dates or knowing what type of date is recorded. |
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huginn |
thd: The operation succeeded. |
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@later tell khall hi :) I sent you and Nick an email about RMaint but Gmail doesn't like me at the moment so it's likely in spam. If so, can you mark it as "non-spam" ? ^^" |
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tuxayo: The operation succeeded. |
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tuxayo |
@later tell kidclamp hi :) I sent you and Kyle an email about RMaint but Gmail doesn't like me at the moment so it's likely in spam. If so, can you mark it as "non-spam" ? ^^" |
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tuxayo: The operation succeeded. |
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ashimema: same as above for another topic T_T I'm likely in the spam folder... |
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(my domain/IP reputation for Gmail is getting better, so I have hope it will quickly work again) |
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