IRC log for #koha, 2021-04-15

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00:38 tuxayo see ya
00:38 tuxayo o/
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06:04 reiveune hello
06:10 magnuse \o/
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06:19 cait1 good morning äkoha
06:19 cait1 #koha too :)
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06:46 alex_a Bonjour
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06:51 cait1 fridolin: could you check bug 27811 for 20.11 plesae?
06:51 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27811 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Manage patrons fines and fees (updatecharges)  subpermissions shows links/buttons that cannot be accessed
06:53 cait1 and bug 27889 (working through our 20.11 testing findings)
06:53 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27889 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to master , Form fields in OPAC are "out of shape"
06:54 fridolin cait1: oki i will
06:54 cait1 fridolin: checking on our bug list, sorry to bother .)
06:55 fridolin no problem ;)
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07:22 cait1 fridolin: good news is, most bugs my coworkers found are already fixed in the latest 20.11 verions :)
07:25 cait1 or will be fixed
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07:36 fridolin good
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08:27 mkuhn Hi - I got an error message about setting variable "access_dir" in "koha-conf.xml" but except in bug 11317 I cannot find any information about this variable (actually there are two variables with the same name inside "access_dirs"). It is not documented in the Koha manual. I'm not sure how to set it - does anyone know about this?
08:27 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=11317 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, CLOSED FIXED, Add a way to access files from the intranet
08:27 cait1 I think this belongs to the tool for accessing files from within koha
08:27 cait1 tools > access files
08:28 cait1 you can file a bug for missing documentation
08:28 mkuhn Yes but what directories to use?
08:28 cait1 i think you would use the directory you want to use, for example where you store files for print notices generated on the server
08:29 cait1 the use wold depend on your config and how you have set up things  - or how you want to use the feature
08:29 mkuhn Should I add this comment to bug 11317 or open a new bug?
08:29 cait1 never add to closed bugs
08:29 cait1 always make a new one and link them in this case
08:30 cait1 i'duse depends on
08:30 mkuhn Yes, it seems - this should be described somewhere. It is also unclear to me why there are two "access_dir" inside "access_dirs" - also these varoiables were missing when updating from an earlier version. Too bad.
08:30 cait1 i thin it might just be a way to tell you that you can set up mulitple
08:30 cait1 not being limitd to one path
08:31 ashimema it's an example mkuhn
08:31 ashimema for example.. you might want to allow access to logs in one dir and notices in another
08:31 ashimema access_dir is repeatable inside access_dirs
08:31 ashimema yes.. it needs documenting better though.. add a bug and it'll get picked up by the documentation team
08:31 mkuhn No, in fact there is no example. When updating form earlier versions the variable8s) are not there. When installing Koha 20.11 the variable(s) are there but empty.
08:32 mkuhn OK, thank you very much, I'll file a bug on this.
08:32 cait1 mkuhn: that's normal
08:32 cait1 i mean for an existing installation the koha-conf.xml is not altered
08:32 cait1 i think you always need to check the newer for changes? ashimema might correct me
08:32 cait1 that's just something i picked up from talking internally
08:33 ashimema I'm not so sure.. it's been a while since I worked in upgrades ;)
08:33 ashimema I 'think' it depends on the way you'e done your install
08:33 cait1 i believe i have seen "checking kohaconf-variables" on our sysadmins checklist
08:33 ashimema the makefile replaces and adds a backup
08:33 ashimema but packages may behave differently
08:34 ashimema yeah.. you certainly always need to check them
08:34 cait1 we have packages
08:34 mkuhn Well, since I was doing the update I can't remeber there was a note saying the variable access_dirs / access_dir schould be added. And since there is no documentation about it... as said, I'll file a bug.
08:35 cait1 it's an optional feature, it should not break things if you are missing it apart from not being able to use this one tool
08:35 cait1 if you open it without it being set it might even tell you to do it
08:36 ashimema ping the bug number in here once you've recorded it mkuhn.. I'll take a look at quickly writing some docs for it.. I didn't develop the feature but I think I mostly understand how it works at present.
09:02 mkuhn I have now filed bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=28151
09:02 huginn Bug 28151: normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Missing documentation on variable "access_dir"
09:03 ashimema ta
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10:25 oleonard Hi all
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10:36 henryb Hi oleonard
10:36 wahanui hi oleopard
10:36 ashimema morning henryb
10:36 ashimema hi oleonard
10:36 wahanui hi oleopard
10:37 henryb morning ashimema
10:47 tcohen morning
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10:48 ashimema morning tcohen
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11:12 oleonard kidclamp: Got a question for you about Bug 16787 when you get a moment
11:12 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=16787 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Needs Signoff , 'Too many holds' message appears inappropriately and is missing data
11:13 kidclamp sure
11:15 oleonard In the test plan, step 7: Does this refer to placing a multihold from search results?
11:19 davewood im importing marcxml records and i get a lot of "Already in a transaction" errors/warnings. im using the script ... script output at the end is: 23480 MARC records done in 1939.21913790703 seconds
11:19 davewood there is this bug report ... https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27245
11:19 huginn Bug 27245: major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to oldoldstable , error 'Already in a transaction'
11:20 davewood im faintly rememebr having this conversation/issue before but i cant find it anywhere
11:20 davewood xml is valid (checked with xmllint --schema MARC21slim.xsd)
11:21 pastebot "tcohen" at pasted "Joubu:" (20 lines) at
11:22 kidclamp oleonard: yes
11:23 oleonard kidclamp: I notice a difference in how multiholds behave before an after the patch if you access directly, e.g.
11:23 oleonard Before the patch, submitting a patron from that page will result in a page which shows a warning about some items not being available.
11:23 oleonard After the patch that warning doesn't appear.
11:28 davewood we are using this koha version (from our apt sources list) -> deb [trusted=yes] 20.11 main
11:32 kidclamp can you send me screenshots Owen, I don't recreate
11:33 oleonard I'll try to describe more clearly on the bug
11:49 kidclamp what makes the items non-holdable in that scenario?
11:51 oleonard All items on the record have an item type which cannot be placed on hold.
11:53 kidclamp I am not recreating. let me try following my own test plan
12:01 kidclamp I cannot recreate owen - does the first record have multiple item types? are the items allowed '0' acosta
12:02 kidclamp heh. that is 'allowed 0 holds, or no holds allowed'? I am seeing that any reason that blocks is showing the message
12:05 oleonard All the items on the record are a non-holdable itemtype, but the biblio-level itemtype is different (and holdable)
12:06 oleonard fridolin around?
12:08 kidclamp using item level itemtypes?
12:10 oleonard Oh--I thought I was but I just checked and I had it switched. So my test showed an improvement rather than a regression?
12:10 oleonard I will test again!
12:10 kidclamp hahah, thank you!
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12:16 fridolin oleonard: yep ?
12:17 oleonard fridolin: Looking at Bug 27861, I'm not finding any errors in my logs. Which log file should I see it in?
12:17 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27861 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Needs Signoff , Warning in C4/ - use of uninitialized value in numeric eq (==)
12:17 fridolin davewood you need to specify OS after "main", like bionic for Ubuntu Bionic 18.04
12:18 fridolin oleonard: ah plack error logs
12:18 fridolin maybe now it is managed by log4perl
12:20 oleonard plack-api-error.log, plack-error.log, plack-intranet-error.log, plack.log, plack-opac-error.log
12:20 oleonard so many plack error logs
12:21 kidclamp oleonard: added a small follow-up to make sure the full error is displayed
12:30 oleonard Sorry fridolin no sign of that error that I can see.
12:31 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_D10 build #84: SUCCESS in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_20.11_D10/84/
12:32 fridolin oleonard: ok I'll retest, add a comment please
12:36 oleonard fridolin: The data in my test system didn't have NULL in itemtypes.notforloan, it had zero. But I tested both ways.
12:37 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U2010 build #59: SUCCESS in 54 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_20.11_U2010/59/
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12:56 davewood fridolin: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ki/Koha_on_Debian ... is it a bug here then? all these examples on do not mention the OS part you are talking about as far as I can see
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13:00 davewood well, have to correct myself, the second link does show the debian version. in my example we use 20.11 ... I guess that is the version you are talking about
13:04 fridolin indeed wiki page should tell that
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13:10 oleonard One OS crash later...
13:10 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U18 build #60: SUCCESS in 1 hr 27 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_20.11_U18/60/
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13:45 ashimema henryb around still?
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13:49 henryb Here ashimema
13:50 henryb Did you want me to do a second sign off for bug 26703 ?
13:50 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=26703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wainuiwitikapark, Signed Off , We should reconsider best practice for our title elements
13:50 ashimema I wondered if you had the motivation to run through the testing for title elements :)
13:50 ashimema I could convert my SO to a QA that way ;)
13:50 ashimema and I trust you to do a good job.. hehe
13:51 * ashimema likes to have a library eye take a look at things like this.. rather than just my sometimes overly technical tunnel vision :)
13:52 Joubu henryb: +1 from me too!
13:55 * ashimema is currently working through the OPAC headers bug
14:04 ashimema does anyone else get some funky stuff on the opac on master at the moment?
14:05 ashimema I get a stray '1' in the top left corner.. and the 'Skip to main content' button seems to always be visible.. but partially off screen
14:05 oleonard No ashimema, only the funky font stuff
14:07 ashimema
14:07 ashimema that's what I see.. can't for the life of me work out why
14:24 ashimema hmm
14:24 oleonard Any luck ashimema?
14:24 ashimema 'Welcome, NAME'.. why is that an H3 ?
14:24 ashimema no luck
14:24 ashimema my userjs and user css are both empty
14:24 ashimema no custom style sheets etc
14:24 oleonard Are you testing a particular patch?
14:25 ashimema and all the news blocks and opac prefs have just a simple single line text string in to make them all appear
14:25 ashimema I'm testing the headings bug
14:25 ashimema bug 27740
14:25 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27740 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wainuiwitikapark, Signed Off , Accessibility: OPAC - Headings should have correct tags and hierarchy
14:26 ashimema but even on master, with no bugs applied I get this oleonard
14:26 ashimema it's weird
14:28 ashimema aha..
14:28 ashimema ok.. ignoring my random '1' for now
14:28 ashimema why is the 'Welcome, USER' dropdown constructed differently on opac-main to every other page on the opac.. i.e. why do we not use the include there?
14:30 ashimema oooh...
14:30 ashimema I'm a muppet
14:30 ashimema on opac-main I'm looking at totally the wrong thing on the page!
14:30 ashimema doh!
14:31 ashimema humm..
14:32 ashimema henryb.. what's your thoughts on the header for the usersummary on the opac.. when you're logged in and on the front page a box appears on the right with a summary of your account details..
14:32 ashimema it's has an out of order header
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14:50 ashimema ok.. left some feedback on bug 27740.. I was pretty rigorous
14:50 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27740 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wainuiwitikapark, Signed Off , Accessibility: OPAC - Headings should have correct tags and hierarchy
14:51 ashimema some of it may want some input form the UX master oleonard.. like 'box titles'.. do they constitute being headings
14:56 oleonard I don't know the answer off the top of my head, but I'm happy with incremental improvement so it doesn't have to be perfect.
14:56 * ashimema is mostly wanting to make sure we don't go backwards :)
14:56 ashimema but yes.. I'm happy with incremental change
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15:07 henryb Sorry ashimema, I'm still thinking about this one. I'll take a proper look once I've finished bug bug 26703
15:07 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=26703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wainuiwitikapark, Signed Off , We should reconsider best practice for our title elements
15:07 ashimema okies, thanks hendryb
15:08 henryb Although I would say that "Welcome X" isn't the most descriptive heading (whatever the level) - Account Summary or something similar would probably be better
15:09 henryb I agree about incremental change though, especially because we want to avoid having to rebase
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15:29 henryb ashimema I'm getting a conflict on some of the patches for bug 26703. What's the quickest way to fix it?
15:29 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=26703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wainuiwitikapark, Signed Off , We should reconsider best practice for our title elements
15:30 henryb e.g. CONFLICT (content): Merge conflict in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/​modules/cataloguing/ Auto-merging koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/​modules/cataloguing/ error: Failed to merge in the changes. Patch failed at 0001 Bug 26703: cataloguing folder
15:31 henryb I can obsolete and add my own patch, right? but then we'd need sign off again?
15:31 henryb Or is there  clever rebase function somewhere
15:37 ashimema humm
15:38 ashimema git mergetool is what I'd use to get them right again
15:39 ashimema humm..
15:39 ashimema or ask for the original author to rebase them.. then add your SO line after
15:39 ashimema I can take a quick look if you like
15:46 henryb Yes please if you have time
15:48 ashimema on it
15:50 henryb Thanks! ashimema++
15:51 ashimema wow.. someone changed quite a lot.. lol
16:01 ashimema I blame oleonard ;)
16:02 ashimema bug 28037 and bug 27846
16:02 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=28037 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to master , Improve breadcrumbs of CSV profiles page
16:02 ashimema to be precise
16:02 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27846 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wainuiwitikapark, Pushed to master , Accessibility: Staff Client - Breadcrumbs should be more accessible
16:02 ashimema lol
16:02 ashimema one was in fact wainuiwtika
16:03 ashimema wainui even
16:04 ashimema all done henryb.. those patches should now apply
16:13 henryb Thanks! I will get testing before anything else changes!
16:14 ashimema thanks dude :)
16:14 ashimema much appreciated
16:18 cait1 wainui++ btw
16:18 cait1 did you see she signed up for rmaint too? :)
16:18 henryb Yes, definitely wainui++
16:20 cait1 bye all
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16:28 henryb Bye cait1, hi cait. Where are cait2 and cait3?
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19:02 ashimema Oh nice one, that's great news
19:02 ashimema wainui++
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