IRC log for #koha, 2021-01-22

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01:46 oleonard Thanks again Academy folks!
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06:51 reiveune hello
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07:03 marcelr hi #koha
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07:56 alex_a Bonjour
07:56 wahanui what's up, alex_a
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08:12 marcelr hi alex_a cait and paul_p_
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08:13 alex_a Hello marcelr
08:13 * cait1 waves
08:17 magnuse \o/
08:20 Joubu cait1, ashimema, tuxayo:[…]/search?q=cn_sort
08:20 Joubu should work now
08:27 ashimema Nice one
08:27 ashimema Thanks Joubu
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08:44 marcelr hi Joubu ashimema
08:44 marcelr and magnuse
08:44 wahanui magnuse is not modifying the item subfields
08:44 marcelr no he is not
08:44 Joubu maybe he is
08:45 Joubu and hi marcelr, good to see you around :)
08:45 marcelr thx for the localstorage heads up
08:47 fridolin Bug 22801 for elastic lovers
08:47 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22801 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Needs Signoff , Advance search yr uses copydate instead of date-of-publication
08:48 magnuse hiya marcelr
08:49 marcelr o/
08:49 magnuse i do solemnly swear, i am not modifying the item subfields at the moment
08:50 Joubu wahanui: liar!
08:50 wahanui Joubu: huh?
08:57 marcelr Joubu I am sure we are using more localStorage keys, but I added the first reference to localStorage on that wiki page ;)
08:59 marcelr even the first ref to it on the wiki
09:10 ashimema @later tell kohaputti I still have one last failing test on the transfers branch.. I'll work on the solution this morning after my meetings
09:10 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded.
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09:15 magnuse kia ora eythian
09:15 eythian hi. Looks like I got dis/reconnected.
09:16 magnuse yup
09:16 magnuse or irc is just checking you are awake ;-)
09:17 eythian hello also to marcelr, alex_a, cait1, and of course wahanui :)
09:17 eythian magnuse: could be, always worth checking :)
09:18 alex_a Hello eythian
09:19 cait1 hi eythian :)
09:19 cait1 Joubu++ thank you :)
09:20 marcelr hi eythian
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09:33 mif Good time of the day everyone! I Have aquestion, is is possible to dump and import just the bibliographic records and migrate from an older installation to a new one? Normal update and migration process does not seem to work anymore. Thank you!
09:35 Joubu @later tell dcook I won't answer on the list (no need for an history lesson on Fri/Sat), but "BibLibre had a go at adding Solr support many years ago but it didn't make it in the community" is wrong. It has been pushed (8233 then 12538). Next effort (Zebra code move) was expected from other members from the community.
09:35 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
09:36 Joubu mif: what exactly "does not seem to work anymore"?
09:36 mif Getting a lot of db errors
09:37 Joubu should not
09:37 mif i know
09:37 Joubu from which version?
09:37 Joubu and which errors?
09:37 mif currently from this one
09:37 mif
09:38 ashimema hi eythian :)
09:38 eythian hallo!
09:38 ashimema hows things ?
09:39 eythian Not too bad, all things considered. Managed to get a bit of a holiday in Dec/Jan, so that was good.
09:39 eythian How about yourself?
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09:41 cait1 eythian: working from home since march... not much change here
09:42 eythian cait1: yeah, same here. Just heard yesterday we're going to keep doing it until at least October, which isn't really a surprise I guess.
09:42 ashimema Not bad, managing the juggling of home schooling whilst trying to work reasonably well now
09:42 eythian cait1: I was roughly over your way recently, in Tiefental.
09:43 eythian ashimema: ah that's always good. I've seen a few workmates struggling with that, especially at the start.
09:43 ashimema yeah, it's certainly "interesting"
09:43 ashimema getting into the swing of it now.. but we still have our good and bad days
09:43 ashimema Did you hear about the cookbook project btw?
09:44 eythian I don't think I have heard of that
09:44 ashimema wondered if you had any recipes to share.. I have a vague recollection of you home brewing or baking or something
09:44 eythian Hm, no, it was one of those things I have been talking about starting for years now but not actually getting around to doing :)
09:44 ashimema or maybe it was just the drinking rather than the making :')
09:45 eythian Definitely, need to help keep everyone else in business :D
09:45 ashimema haha... man I miss pubs
09:46 eythian Yep, same here.
09:46 eythian And we're just about to start a curfew here, so it's going to get even quieter.
09:47 ashimema the problem here is the number of people just ignoring the rules
09:47 ashimema they're really not enforcing these lockdowns well.. so they just keep getting extended but they don't actually appear to be curtailing the spread enough.
09:49 eythian It remains to be seen how well it'll be enforced here, or how well it'll be followed. I definitely have some doubts about it on that front, but it'll hopefully be better than nothing.
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10:48 cait2 eythian: not missing the beer... but going for dinner with colleagues is certainly a thing to miss
10:49 cait2 eythian: hope we will meet again some time again - not just getting close
10:50 eythian cait2: yeah, I think there's a lot of planning along the lines of "as soon as I can, I'm going to go «somewhere»"
10:51 eythian cait2: you're always welcome to visit here, too :)
10:58 cait2 eythian: same list .)
11:17 oleonard o/
11:17 ashimema likewise here peeps.. always welcome
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11:40 eythian @later tell marcelr in the hope you know how to escalate this, here: the "see the photograph" link is 404, maar op de Nederlandstaal pagina het werkt
11:40 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
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12:06 ashimema huh.. don't we dislike console.logs getting added?
12:06 ashimema I thought the QA script caught those
12:06 oleonard Yes I thought it was supposed to
12:07 ashimema there are some introduced in bug 26208 right
12:07 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=26208 major, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Overdues restrictions not consistently removed when renewing multiple items at once
12:07 ashimema I'm not totally misreading it
12:09 oleonard Yeah lots are introduced!
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12:09 * ashimema is in a mean mood clearly.. I failed it instead of just doing a QA followup this time
12:09 ashimema kidclamp! ;P
12:10 oleonard You used up all your kindness and generosity on the Academy and now it's time to bring the hammer down
12:10 ashimema hehe
12:23 Joubu kidclamp: bug 27526
12:23 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=27526 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Remove Mod/AddItemFromMarc from
12:26 kidclamp Joubu++
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12:34 ashimema claims returned...
12:35 ashimema should it stop fines incrementing?
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12:35 oleonard I don't know but I would imagine that it's a matter of library policy
12:36 oleonard My library has never had a claims returned policy
12:36 * ashimema is QAing bug 25552
12:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=25552 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add missing Claims Returned option to MarkLostItemsAsReturned
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12:48 AndrewFH @ashimema yes, claims returned should stop fine accrual (though some library somewhere will probably want to argue about it)
12:48 huginn AndrewFH: downloading the Perl source
12:49 ashimema it doesn't always ;)
12:49 ashimema not according to the code
12:49 * AndrewFH packs his bags and moves away
12:49 oleonard :D
12:49 ashimema If you have 'ClaimReturnedChargeFee' set to 'no_charge' or 'ask' and the staff user chooses not to charge.. then the fines will continue to increment
12:50 AndrewFH that ain't good
12:50 magnuse @quote get 123
12:50 huginn magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
12:50 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
12:50 ashimema also..
12:50 AndrewFH but good to know
12:50 ashimema for the same.. we don't handle cancelling transfers either
12:51 ashimema do you think it should be fixed as part of bug 25552 AndrewFH
12:51 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=25552 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add missing Claims Returned option to MarkLostItemsAsReturned
12:52 AndrewFH you mean if a book is in transit when claimed we don't cancel the transfer? seems really weird that it would be in transit when claimed -- we expect it to be checked out when claimed?
12:53 ashimema indeed.. but transfers aren't actually always 'in transit'..
12:53 AndrewFH if folding it into an existing bug makes the difference in whether or not a fix gets pushed in this release, I'd say fold it in. But long run it will be clearer if it gets fixed in its own bug, just for documentation purposes
12:53 ashimema there's a mix of 'transfer requested' and 'transfer in transit' in that table
12:53 ashimema that's an area of code I've been tidying up allot the last few months
12:54 ashimema okies
12:55 AndrewFH good catch, that's some weirdness that could have gone unnoticed for a long long time
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13:01 AndrewFH @ashimema I don't suppose you've poked at how claims returned interacts with WhenLostForgiveFine? I hadn't previously thought about it
13:01 huginn AndrewFH: I've exhausted my database of quotes
13:02 ashimema humm.. it should work if they charge for the lose..
13:03 ashimema can't remember.. does WhenLostForgiveFine also work normally when you're not charging a lost fee?
13:04 ashimema looks not
13:04 ashimema so.. it should work for claims returned that same was as elsewhere..
13:04 * oleonard whispers, Stop charging fines, everybody
13:05 ashimema i.e WhenLostForgiveFine ONLY takes effect if you charge to the lose.
13:11 AndrewFH @oleonard++
13:11 huginn AndrewFH: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
13:11 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
13:13 AndrewFH so, taking claims out of it entirely, say I'm just marking something regular lost. Do you mean that if WhenLostChargeReplacementFee is off, then fines will not be forgiven even if WhenLostForgiveFine is on?
13:17 ashimema correct
13:17 AndrewFH huh
13:17 ashimema also, as an aside.. the fine will in effect still increment..
13:17 ashimema because we've not 'Fixed' it.
13:18 AndrewFH that seems like an unlikely syspref combination, but good to know it will be weird :)
13:18 ashimema it'll still be marked as an incrementing fine (though in the regular job it won't actually increment as we appear to skip lost items..)
13:18 ashimema but...
13:18 ashimema when the item is then subsequently found.. the next run of will increment again.. and will INCLUDE the entire time the item was marked as lost
13:18 ashimema fun huh
13:19 ashimema yeah
13:19 ashimema right.. lunch time :)
13:20 AndrewFH eat well! when you come back, I'd love to hear more about "transfer requested" because I've been over here pondering and I don't know what you mean
13:38 * fridolin starting release v20.11.02
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13:43 magnuse fridolin++
13:43 Joubu oleonard, ashimema: help needed on bug 24288, if you have a minute
13:43 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=24288 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, liav, In Discussion , Add wording to authorized value interface to indicate valid code length
13:44 oleonard Sure
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13:55 oleonard Joubu: I almost feel like YES_NO shouldn't even be least not the value...
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13:55 oleonard Joubu: But I agree that the wording isn't quite right given the possibility of negative values
13:56 oleonard (that's a weird exception)
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13:59 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 7143: Update about page for new devs <[…]d99cef880916a5fc4>
13:59 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27491: DBRev <[…]9cb7fc0583cd79767>
13:59 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27485: DBRev <[…]5659e66ff332a75f3>
13:59 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 22150: (follow-up) ensuring superlibrarian flag not checked when select all <[…]fe4043df437b0b8d8>
13:59 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 22150: Ability to select or unselect all member flags <[…]1a4788bf0ef5b0a61>
13:59 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27491: Rename system preference opaclanguages to OPACLanguages <[…]938be73747ec7ef2e>
13:59 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27022: Publisher number 028 does not display according to framework settings <[…]6f36c40b434504abf>
14:00 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 22150: ensuring superlibrarian flag not checked when select all <[…]ad901e79e9a535076>
14:00 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27479: Improve link text to be more helpful ( <[…]1e0ab537b8cab99d5>
14:00 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27495: Added Accessibility advocate role in team page <[…]6061a68f65264b791>
14:00 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27474: Improve link text when no avaliable printer profiles <[…]516fd8482bef00bb3>
14:00 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27478: Improved link text when viewing ILL reqested item <[…]627ba6671f68fead0>
14:00 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27485: Rename system preference gist to TaxRates <[…]b285e7772bb7a53d7>
14:00 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27472: Improve link text ( <[…]02b01c63b4c267c7f>
14:00 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27469: (follow-up) Correct terminology <[…]c1808cdc5d2c94636>
14:00 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27477: Improve link text to be more helpful ( <[…]b1b4b5a4c53dd8213>
14:00 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27469: Improve link text when returning to booksellers page <[…]7e17d09a21f4506d5>
14:00 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 22152: Hide tools navigation when printing reports <[…]60804b72a92238079>
14:00 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27407: Update reserve/ for ACC2 <[…]6533191b0da74523e>
14:00 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27415: Add note to ILLHiddenRequestStatuses <[…]4647a4a2a32bb01b8>
14:00 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27098: Renames Relatives fines to Relative charges <[…]6c9f993e2e44c62a3>
14:00 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27179: Misspelling of Method in REST API files <[…]e9f326cc71fcf8d96>
14:00 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27210: Typo in <[…]415aba7794dbaded3>
14:00 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 25802: Change addDate to addDuration <[…]f5fdddb13c8e555bd>
14:01 Joubu ok thanks, oleonard. I've pushed without it
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14:33 magnuse have fun #koha!
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14:58 ashimema oleonard..
14:58 wahanui oleonard is happy for ashimema to write the release script
14:58 ashimema or anyone else
14:58 oleonard Not damaging to my ego at all...
14:59 ashimema anyone know how to consistently work out from JS whether a user is logged in or not from the OPAC
14:59 ashimema need to trigger some things in OPACUserJS which stopped working on upgrade to 20.11
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15:01 ashimema we used to do 'if ($('.loggedinusername').length) {'
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15:02 oleonard That should still work I think
15:04 ashimema hmm
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15:12 ashimema ack
15:12 ashimema it does now..
15:12 ashimema other JS getting in the way
15:14 lukeG1 i think sometime i have to do 'if ($('.loggedinusername:first').length) {'
15:18 ashimema it was that someone was removing all the loggedinusername elements in JS prior to then looking for it again
15:18 ashimema grr
15:18 * ashimema is trying to update a 6000 line OPACUserJS for a 18.11 -> 20.11 upgrade..
15:19 oleonard 6000???!!!
15:19 ashimema one that's already been "updated" for 2 or maybe three prior upgrades.. and instead of fixing the existing JS.. they just dumped yet more JS at the bottom of the pref each time
15:19 oleonard Holy smokes they need to chill
15:19 ashimema so we have stuff getting added, then removed, then added again.. then moved.. then updated, then moved
15:19 ashimema it's bloomin rediculous
15:20 ashimema indeed
15:20 ashimema makes me want to cry
15:20 ashimema and throw the computer out the windorw
15:20 ashimema all at the same time
15:32 reiveune bye
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15:51 kidclamp go into koha to fix one bug:
15:51 kidclamp
15:55 oleonard I see that flagsrequired can take multiple parameters, does that mean AND or OR? Or do I misunderstand it altogether?
15:57 oleonard[…]r/C4/
16:05 kidclamp I believe it actually takes a hash for 'AND' and an array for 'OR' - Martin did that
16:06 oleonard wild
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16:31 oleonard ashimema still around?
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17:03 ashimema I'm just heading off to cook tea
17:03 ashimema but...
17:03 ashimema it takes the same types of arguaments as SQLAbstract..
17:03 ashimema i.e. out Koha Objects for searching
17:04 ashimema which from memory is hashref = AND, arrayref = OR
17:04 ashimema I think I tried to explain it in the POD in C4::Auth
17:04 oleonard Thanks ashimema I'll look again
17:06 ashimema[…]/C4/
17:07 ashimema The Koha::Patron equivalent just passed through to that so takes the same
17:07 ashimema As does tempate_and_user
17:07 ashimema Hope that helps.. going to light the fire for the pizza oven now
17:07 oleonard Nice
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22:45 caroline cait around?
22:45 cait sleepy, but yes :)
22:46 cait caroline: ?
22:46 caroline do you remember if there is a bug to remove the "checkout from" column in the issues table?
22:46 caroline I can't seem to do it using column configuration
22:46 cait hm is it missing or are htey out of sync again?
22:46 caroline I thinks they're out of sunc?
22:46 caroline sync
22:46 cait all columns should be in the config, don't remember a bug filed yet
22:47 cait which version?
22:47 wahanui hmmm... which version is thiis?
22:47 caroline mater
22:47 caroline master
22:47 cait hm playing online, can't really check right now, but my guess is another column is missing
22:47 * caroline is typing around a cat, hence the mistypes
22:47 cait :)
22:47 caroline ok I'll fil a bug about it
22:48 caroline I just thought it was weird that I couldn't find one already
22:48 caroline the issues table is pretty important
22:48 cait true
22:48 cait might be a recent change?
22:48 caroline it does the same in 20.05.05
22:48 cait oh no
22:49 caroline I might also have vision problems... I've had a day-long meeting today
22:49 cait hm let me try i have a quick moment free
22:49 cait checkout tab?
22:49 caroline it can wait until monday
22:50 caroline don't worry about it
22:50 caroline (it can wait until later than monday too!)
22:50 cait it does work for me
22:50 cait from the column settings on the page
22:50 cait i'll check the admin area now
22:53 caroline I'll note in the bug report that it works from the Columns button on the page
22:54 cait it works for e
22:54 caroline "Go to the file of a user who has issues" lol, I know a couple of those
22:54 cait from admin too
22:54 cait which table are you changing?
22:54 caroline :(
22:54 caroline issues-table
22:54 cait details and checkou tabs have different settings
22:54 cait checkout from?
22:54 cait i set both checkboxes, left everything else empty
22:54 caroline yes
22:55 cait hm doing a git pull now
22:55 caroline
22:55 caroline
22:56 cait looks the same
22:56 cait checking on really latest master onw
22:56 cait checked out from is still gone
22:56 cait are yo ulooking at the right tab?
22:57 caroline :(
22:57 caroline I'm in, the checkouts tab
22:57 cait that's it
22:57 cait that's a different setting
22:57 cait go to patrons module
22:57 caroline ah!
22:57 cait in the table settings
22:57 caroline which one was I changing?
22:58 cait the check out tab
22:58 caroline
22:58 cait yep
22:58 caroline ah!
22:58 caroline thanks!
22:58 cait you are welcome :)
22:58 * caroline feels stupid
22:58 caroline I probably even wrote that in the manual too
22:58 cait i know these things because I was running into this before
22:59 cait i am just stupid first :)
22:59 caroline lol!
23:00 caroline I guess I jumped to the conclusion because I've had a real bug in the past
23:02 cait makes a lot of sense
23:03 cait i had issues withmissing columns too
23:03 cait got to go to sleep - have a good rest of day!
23:03 caroline good night!
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23:59 caroline happy weekend #koha!

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