IRC log for #koha, 2020-11-11

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00:00 dcook The only logic that should be in the controller should be related to input/output
00:00 dcook The business logic should be int he model
00:00 tuxayo Right, HTML or REST stuff, that's all
00:00 dcook Yep
00:01 dcook And that way you get that DRY (do not repeat yourself) and code reuse
00:01 tuxayo yes!
00:01 dcook We already kind of have that in parts of Koha, but we need to really embrace it
00:03 dcook I've been thinking a bit too about how we could potentially inject controllers via plugins as well..
00:03 dcook I mean we already do it for the REST API
00:03 dcook But we could do it for the HTML interface too
00:03 dcook Which would make for some very powerful plugins I reckon
00:04 dcook But that's future talk heh
00:04 dcook I'm actually not that far from fixing the View stuff I mentioned before
00:05 dcook I just need to make a Koha::Template module and have it take into account all the awful stuff we do in C4::Templates heh
00:05 dcook Then we're "cooking with gas" as they say in North America
00:05 tuxayo dcook++
00:05 tuxayo The third decade of Koha looks great :D
00:06 dcook Actually, one fear I have is that I'll try to implement all this but then other people won't follow the vision heh
00:06 dcook Or that they'll make the same mistakes that we've made before
00:06 dcook Of course, I could become Release Manager to try to mitigate that in the beginning..
00:06 dcook But I don't have the time for it :(
00:06 dcook Plus, if I just build a solid core from the beginning... then it should be OK
00:07 tuxayo To do the actual migration work, being RM might not help due to the additional work
00:07 dcook Especially if mistakes are just made in individual controllers..
00:07 dcook mmm true
00:07 * dcook would rule with an iron fist
00:07 dcook heh
00:07 tuxayo Doing an RFC to try to agree on that direct would help maybe
00:07 tuxayo lol
00:07 dcook Actually, if I were RM, I probably would slow down the queues..
00:07 dcook And be more selective
00:07 dcook But maybe that would make me a bad RM
00:08 dcook Hmm that randomly gave me a thought..
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00:10 dcook I was just thinking how it could be nice to..
00:10 dcook Well making it easier to make customizations
00:10 dcook When things are module based, all you need to do is make sure that your desired/customized module is found first in @INC...
00:11 dcook I took over a Perl project years ago where core modules were customized that way
00:11 dcook (Of course, that makes for a nightmare migration path)
00:11 dcook Well not core modules. Third party modules. But CPAN  modules.
00:12 dcook I'm just thinking about plugins that insert modules at the start of @INC... you could override default Koha controllers..
00:12 * dcook is such a nerd
00:13 tuxayo I hope your company gets rich an you could have more time for all this :P
00:18 dcook Hehe me too
00:18 tuxayo The easy patch of bug 26363 has been signed off :P
00:18 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=26363 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Provide a systemd unit file for background_jobs_worker
00:19 dcook Hehe cool
00:20 dcook I wonder a bit if the lack of an init system in Docker means that we shouldn't bother with the systemd unit files... but I don't think anyone is running in Docker and if they were running in Docker we'd do it differently anyway..
00:20 dcook I think a lot of open source software doesn't actually provide init scripts anymore
00:20 dcook For things like Kong, Keycloak, uWSGI, I've had to write my own
00:20 tuxayo I still have my quick guide for a devbox so I could test it that way is no one is around with a devbox.
00:20 dcook I think cait still uses kohadevbox
00:21 dcook The koha-common package is very opinionated...
00:21 tuxayo > but I don't think anyone is running in Docker
00:21 tuxayo Biblibre is running in 97% LXD containers
00:21 dcook :o
00:21 dcook Whaat? Really?
00:21 dcook Nevermind me. They should be spearheading more container developments :p heh
00:23 tuxayo Indeed, maybe they can help on some things. frido is the right person to talk about that ^^
00:23 dcook I have been thinking about doing more locally in containers, but just haven't had the motivation yet
00:23 dcook frido holding out on me all this time... heh
00:23 dcook Motivation... maybe more like incentive or "drivers"
00:24 dcook Inertia.. status quo..
00:25 tuxayo > frido holding out
00:25 tuxayo I dont think BibLibre has really specific stuff to use LXD
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00:26 tuxayo To use nginx yes, a few bugs blocked in bugzilla ^^
00:26 dcook Yeah I've seen some of the nginx stuff
00:26 dcook Or rather heard about
00:26 dcook I don't know if I've seen..
00:26 dcook I'll look
00:26 tuxayo One is to fix ^^
00:26 dcook :o
00:26 dcook Do you have a link for that?
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00:31 tuxayo dcook: I'll check the "biblibre" branch. Currently 19.11.09 + patches that they use everywhere. That's the interesting stuff.
00:31 tuxayo[…].11/biblibre-min1
00:32 tuxayo dcook: meh
00:32 tuxayo use constant BYTES_DIGEST => 4294967296;
00:32 tuxayo[…]1cfd0b887d3048646
00:34 dcook Well I'll keep Frido in mind
00:34 tuxayo Maybe for useful:
00:34 tuxayo[…]c40547a691f48f804
00:34 tuxayo bug 17240
00:34 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=17240 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, In Discussion , Allow processes that rely on background jobs run in Plack mode
00:34 dcook And I should really start posting patches soon so that people can see what I'm doing..
00:35 dcook Oh yeah I didn't like frido's changes there
00:35 dcook They're not really robust enough
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00:36 dcook Really there's no workaround due to Plack::App::Cgibin being used
00:36 dcook So we have to use something else
00:36 dcook I already locally proved my Mojolicious replacement for but it's not polished enough yet
00:37 dcook Actually, in that case, I also need to rewrite the Perl module because it doesn't work with Mojolicious due to Mojolicious's non-blocking design
00:37 dcook But the rewrite will be great
01:04 tuxayo dcook to test «Provide a systemd unit file for koha-worker in package installs»
01:04 tuxayo should I just run systemctl start koha-worker@NAME.service and see that there is no error? And check the process running.
01:04 dcook I think I provided an updated test plan
01:04 dcook You'll probably want "systemctl start koha-worker@kohadev.service"
01:06 tuxayo yes, it was clear that NAME was a variable. So I'll do that
01:06 tuxayo (when I devbox will actuall start ^^")
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01:17 dcook Ah great :)
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02:03 tuxayo dcook: I might have missed something, isn't in /usr/share/koha/bin/
02:03 dcook Hmm
02:03 tuxayo So the unit fails
02:04 dcook That's odd..
02:04 tuxayo Wait
02:04 dcook root@kohadevbox:koha(bug_26363)$ ls /usr/share/koha/bin/
02:04 dcook /usr/share/koha/bin/
02:05 tuxayo Should I also do the test plan of the first patch before?
02:05 dcook Nah, it shouldn't be relevant
02:05 dcook It should "just work"
02:06 dcook I'm using a slightly different version in prod now
02:07 tuxayo find / -name
02:07 tuxayo /home/vagrant/kohaclone/mis​c/
02:07 tuxayo /home/vagrant/kohaclone/blib/SCRIPT_​NONDEV_DIR/
02:07 dcook Ah, so that's the git version
02:07 dcook It could be that your kohadevbox hasn't been set up right
02:07 dcook or rather it might be outdated
02:08 dcook It should install koha-common from master which should have /usr/share/koha/bin/
02:08 dcook (in theory)
02:08 tuxayo It's fresh and the devbox repo up to date.
02:09 dcook Hmm what's in... /etc/apt/sources.d/koha.list or whatever the list file is..
02:09 dcook Maybe this is a case of kohadevbox and KTD being configured differently..
02:10 tuxayo deb [trusted=yes] unstable main
02:10 dcook You could also do "dpkg -l koha-common"
02:10 dcook Hmm weird
02:10 dcook maybe try a "apt-get update" and "apt-get install koha-common"...
02:10 tuxayo 20.06.00-16~git+2020072804
02:10 dcook hmm what's in /usr/share/koha/bin?
02:11 tuxayo koha-common is already the newest version
02:11 dcook Oh wait..
02:11 dcook That's actually really old
02:11 dcook 2020072804
02:11 dcook Or rather the comment is old..
02:11 dcook KTD is using 20.06.00-49~git+20201013020020
02:11 dcook Ah yeah kohadevbox is definitely quite old..
02:12 tuxayo Isn't the repo the same?
02:12 tuxayo > what's in /usr/share/koha/bin?
02:12 tuxayo[…]bYYB6jHDhVuWFmxM2
02:12 dcook seems not
02:12 tuxayo I did the update
02:12 dcook deb [trusted=yes] dev main stretch
02:12 dcook That's from KTD
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02:13 dcook Yeah looks like different repos
02:13 dcook I'll send out an email
02:15 tuxayo user.yml:
02:15 tuxayo # koha_use_custom_repo: no
02:15 tuxayo The custom repo is koha-staging
02:15 tuxayo I'll try that
02:15 dcook Interesting... I'll just keep this in draft then I guess
02:16 * dcook is also going to head off for lunch ina  minute
02:17 tuxayo good appetite!
02:17 dcook hehe thanks
02:17 dcook I haven't heard that literal translation in a long time
02:18 dcook merci quand même!
02:18 * dcook grabs foooood
02:18 tuxayo lol
02:19 tuxayo enjoy your meal!
02:19 tuxayo thanks wiktionary
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02:56 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
02:56 wahanui Congratulations!
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03:02 dcook wiktionary is wonderful
03:12 tuxayo Ok, I'll have the right version now after tweaking user.yml
03:12 tuxayo just wait the devbox to provision (if that's the right term)
03:17 tuxayo dcook: «active (running)»
03:17 tuxayo Started Koha Task Queue Worker.
03:17 dcook :D
03:17 tuxayo confetti!
03:17 wahanui o/`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
03:17 dcook That's good :)
03:21 tuxayo see ya o/
03:22 dcook Done for the day?
03:23 tuxayo yep
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03:46 dcook then good night tuxayo :D
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07:20 ashimema Documentation will be key in your plans dcook
07:20 ashimema Perhaps organising a meeting of Devs to showcase what you've done, how it works and what advantages it brings too.
07:20 ashimema Sounds interesting
07:21 * ashimema would love to start coding up non-blocking mojo based controllers
07:21 ashimema The progress to moving away from CGI and logic heavy controller scripts is slow going.. but we are trying
07:22 ashimema That pretty much how I spend my days... So many of my bugs end up as trees full of refactoring now..
07:23 ashimema Instead of just piling stuff on top of already fragile controller code.
07:23 ashimema 'tis hard though.. no-one funds this approach
07:29 Joubu dcook: I did not succeed Postgres compat because of the lack of interest from other community members
07:30 Joubu now we have DBIC to answer the need, but we are not there yet
07:30 Joubu and hi #koha ;)
07:30 Joubu bug 7365
07:30 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7365 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Koha should support PostgreSQL
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07:39 Joubu @later tell caroline do you think Maryse will have time to answer on bug 12446 today? (it's string freeze!)
07:39 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
07:39 magnuse \o/
07:49 ashimema I like postgres.. but I'm not the biggest fan of trying to be database agnostic.. if we really want to support Of, personally I'd rather we switched than just prevent ourselves from ysu g the best features of any db
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07:54 jonrog Good morning! When upgrading on Ubuntu using APT (18.11 -> 20.05), is there anything else then change the APT-repository and run apt upgrade that I need to do?
07:56 Joubu Hi jonrog, yes see https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ollow_a_codename_.28version_number.29:_20.05.2C_19.11.2C_19.05
08:02 jonrog Joubu: Thanks for the reply! when i tried the upgrade on our test-environment i changed it to "deb 20.05 main bionic" and then ran "apt upgrade", it seemed to work without any issues
08:05 Joubu great, good to hear :)
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09:19 magnuse @later tell oleonard can you still reproduce the problem on bug 22248?
09:19 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.
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09:33 cait1 good morning #koha people
09:34 Joubu MacOS user? We need you on bug 7882 (comment 71)
09:34 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7882 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, maryse.simard, Pushed to oldstable , Add ability to move and reorder fields and subfields in MARC editor
09:34 Joubu hi cait1
09:35 Joubu @later tell lukeG Hi Lucas, are you on macOS? If so, could you have a look at bug 7882 comment 71?
09:35 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
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09:48 Joubu inlibro: hi!?
09:48 wahanui it has been said that hi is anyone around today?
09:48 Joubu wahanui: forget hi
09:48 wahanui Joubu: I forgot hi
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10:04 Joubu @later tell caroline wrong bug number! it was 12446
10:04 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
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11:01 tcohen morning
11:02 ashimema morning
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11:09 ashimema hmm
11:10 ashimema is ccode a required field for items?
11:12 Joubu I don't think so
11:20 ashimema aha..
11:20 ashimema OK.. so I think my golfing expedition on bug 26963 was worthwhile then.. I still think I need to put the actual golfing patches in a new bug.. but doing it meant I understood the code better and have uncovered a bug :)
11:20 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=26963 major, P3, ---, nick, Signed Off , Koha::Template::Plugin::Branches::pickup_locations is very inefficient, causing timeouts on records with large numbers of holds/items
11:21 * ashimema tells kidclamp
11:28 oleonard Joubu: I can confirm Bug 7882 comment 71
11:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7882 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, maryse.simard, Pushed to oldstable , Add ability to move and reorder fields and subfields in MARC editor
11:28 oleonard It is broken in Safari on macOS
11:30 Joubu oleonard: could you have a try to fix it?
11:30 Joubu :)
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11:56 oleonard I can try!
12:29 tcohen today is veteran's day in the US, expect delays in responses
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12:49 ashimema aha, thanks for that heads up
13:01 tuxayo hi #koha :)
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13:39 ashimema @later tell mtj any thought on bug 26893
13:39 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded.
13:56 cait1 hm we are seeing issues with search in elastic with 19.05 that you can't search for a single term
13:57 cait1 like au:zanker - doesn't work, but as soon as you add a word or another term with operators all works perfectly
13:57 cait1 kidclamp: maybe?
13:59 Joubu ashimema: it needs to be fixed at code level IMO
14:00 ashimema hmm..
14:00 ashimema I don't think that's likely to happen prior to release
14:00 Joubu cait1: looks ok for me on master
14:01 magnuse cait1: doesn't work = zero hits?
14:13 magnuse bug 26893
14:13 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=26893 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , New version of JSON::Validator (D11) break our REST API routes
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15:01 Joubu tcohen: 26988 - ask ashimema!
15:01 Joubu he faced that few days ago
15:02 ashimema bug 26988
15:02 Joubu (no idea if it's related I did not check the code, but sounds familiar)
15:02 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=26988 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Don't load hold pickup locations unless dropdown is selected
15:02 Joubu ashimema: he is saying it works under Chrome but FF
15:03 tcohen amoyano and I are looking at it
15:03 tcohen I'm playing with a select2 implementation
15:03 tcohen amoyano as my JavaScript guru is checking WTF is going on
15:03 Joubu ok, that's not related then. Sorry for the noise
15:03 tcohen haha
15:03 ashimema :)
15:08 Joubu ok, last bit for 20.11
15:10 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24083: DBRev <[…]76e86328e9fd7f66d>
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15:10 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24083: Compiled CSS <[…]670136fdae49cf7c1>
15:10 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24083: DBIC schema changes <[…]53ee2a557cac90d23>
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15:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23019: (follow-up) Fix other things <[…]a7e9496d125e45315>
15:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23019: (follow-up) set table name to import_batch_profiles <[…]afd6e3db1d3b8eb40>
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15:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24083: (follow-up) Include SelfCheckInModule <[…]51ffb9d47135aa5ce>
15:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24083: (follow-up) Fix params to AddRenewal <[…]a7ce5f266f30dc6f8>
15:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24083: Add unit tests <[…]b68ab665247b6cbd8>
15:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24083: Add support for unseen_renewals <[…]dd33f338fce12791c>
15:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24083: Add circ rules management <[…]31a5ce5f7d2563cf1>
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15:25 tcohen ashimema Joubu what'ya think
15:27 ashimema orty
15:27 ashimema prty
15:27 ashimema prettyi
15:27 ashimema pretty
15:27 ashimema even!
15:29 Joubu tcohen: what's the context?
15:29 wahanui the context is that I've generally targeted 4:3 though to be honest not thought a great deal about it.. but a few libaries here mentioned in passing that it would be nice to target 16:10 now as that seems to be the prominent screen on the market
15:29 Joubu improve the UI?
15:29 tcohen no
15:29 Joubu wahanui: forget the context
15:29 wahanui Joubu: I forgot context
15:29 Joubu wahanui: forget the context
15:29 wahanui Joubu, I didn't have anything matching context
15:29 tcohen bug 26988
15:29 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=26988 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Don't load hold pickup locations unless dropdown is selected
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15:36 Joubu I need a break, see you later #koha
15:36 ashimema have a nice break Joubu
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15:58 tuxayo Anyone to review a "translation guideline" draft? It's about the necessity to always translate also in newer version of Koha to not loose work.
15:58 tuxayo https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]anslation_process
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16:10 cait1 magnuse: even kind of yellow error message, not my installation
16:11 cait1 tuxayo: can you remind me when my brain feels... not dead? :)
16:11 cait1 had a lovely workshop but can't think now
16:14 tuxayo cait1: ok. I was already planning to send it to you later as you are the last person in the last years to have contributed to the Translating_Koha wikipage ^^
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16:25 cait1 surprise ;)
16:25 cait1 Joubu: happy translating - are you trying to mock me? ;)
16:37 * tuxayo feels there might have been a nickname confusion
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19:12 tuxayo Does anyone know how to test emails in Koha?
19:12 tuxayo https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]g.cgi?id=26948#c3
19:12 huginn Bug 26948: critical, P5 - low, ---, joonas.kylmala, Needs Signoff , Some Koha Emails are double encoded (HOLD, ODUE, ...)
19:12 tuxayo >  3) Notice the email comes garbled / double encoded
19:12 tuxayo If I just check the message_queue via SQL is that ok?
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21:58 dcook @later tell ashimema Agreed about how switching to PostgreSQL would be a better idea than trying to support both
21:58 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded.
22:02 dcook @later tell ashimema The trees of refactoring are the tough bit. I have been re-thinking that a bit lately...
22:02 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded.
22:03 dcook @later tell ashimema My hope is that my work should be obvious enough not to need extensive documentation, but I suppose documentation would be a good plan. Dev meetings are hard for me due to time zone differences, but maybe I could even do a short video or something if necessary...
22:03 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded.
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