IRC log for #koha, 2020-09-21

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00:13 dcook_ tcohen: still awake?
00:14 dcook_ Oh wow it's only 9pm there... I had no idea
00:28 dcook Wow, it looks like has been broken for 4 years and no one has noticed...
00:29 dcook But that can't be right. It seems like people have been working on it since then..
00:30 dcook Although maybe that work was just to silence legitimate warnings..
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01:49 dcook Wow yeah is like... getting worse and worse all the time...
01:54 dcook Bug 26496
01:54 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=26496 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Budget Plan save button doesn't save plans
01:54 dcook Bug 26495
01:54 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=26495 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Impossible to save Budget Plans
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06:32 * andreashm waves
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06:34 reiveune hello
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06:36 cait bbl!
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06:51 alex_a Bonjour
06:54 andreashm salut
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07:14 magnuse \o/
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07:37 ashimema[m] mornin' #koha
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08:06 andreashm I finally got around to add a RFC for improvement of the account view:
08:06 andreashm https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]/Account_view_RFC
08:06 andreashm for ashimema[m] cait fridolin and other who might be interested. =)
08:07 andreashm others...
08:07 wahanui others are certainly enhancements that can be in followups
08:25 cait andreashm: back on Koha? :)
08:25 ashimema[m] :)
08:26 andreashm cait: afraid not, just taking care of my backlog. =)
08:27 ashimema[m] I'll take a look some time today, thanks :)
08:28 andreashm *thumbs up*
08:28 andreashm ashimema[m]: did you ever look at btw? We use it at the national library. works pretty well.
08:29 ashimema[m] I did
08:29 ashimema[m] but it doesn't do bridging to IRC well at all :(
08:29 andreashm dang
08:29 ashimema[m] and I didn't think we could get the whole community to up ship and jump to an entirely diffrent platform all in one go :(
08:30 andreashm mattermost might be an option then. but don't know if it integrates/bridges to irc either
08:30 ashimema[m] I'm all out of idea's really.. I would love ot see us adopt a more modern chat medium.. but I can't see a route to doing it...
08:31 ashimema[m] mettermost is similar I believe.. irc isn't a priority for these guys.. allot of the problem is irc has a fair bit of spammer prevention built in these days and that often kills bridges
08:32 ashimema[m] if you have any idea's or anyone with expertise to give it a try do feel free.. I'd love to see it happen
08:36 * andreashm too, but haven't looked at that myself.
08:36 nlegrand A guten!
08:37 andreashm
08:41 andreashm this looks interesting too:[…]equired-91155893/
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08:59 magnuse i'd say if the bridging is too difficult, let's not let that stop us :-)
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09:15 jajm andreashm, ashimema[m], we use at biblibre, IMO it's really not that great compared to irc: lots of non essential features that clutter the interface or make it slow, no real keyboard navigation support so a mouse is mandatory, discussions are splitted in threads or "sub-channels" which sometimes makes it hard to follow conversations, ... we switched to Rocket 6 months ago, and the irc channel has
09:16 jajm still more activity than the rocket one (old habits die hard)
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09:31 cait we are using Element/Riot now... after some difficulties in the beginning it's appears pretty stable now - no idea if it would bridge to IRC in any way
09:31 cait i still have my trusty IRC client too :)
09:31 cait jajm: did you see my later?
09:32 TimothyAlexis Hello
09:32 wahanui hola, TimothyAlexis
09:33 jajm cait, yes :)
09:34 jajm cait, let me know if you find a bug, or have ideas for enhancements ;)
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09:35 TimothyAlexis I think bug 26266 is ready to be tested.
09:35 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=26266 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, timothy_alexis.vass, Needs Signoff , Add jQuery validator to
09:39 cait jajm: the only thing I have been wondering about is if i can turn a subtask into a bug somehow... but not sure that's possible
09:40 cait you can add subtasks to a task and then turn them into tasks when youstart working on it which keeps the list a bit tidier - but i think then they can't be bugs
09:40 cait overall it's pretty awesome and works like a treat :) i love the status check
09:41 jajm cait, i think it's a limitation of kanboard itself, not the plugin, but we don't use subtaks so i'm not sure
09:44 cait yeah, that makes sense
09:45 cait but was not sure if i missed something as I am still new to the tool
09:45 cait are you using it at biblibre?
09:46 jajm yes
10:00 ashimema[m] I've used riot/element for years here
10:01 ashimema[m] The reliability of the free public servers is variable
10:01 ashimema[m] But generally I like it
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10:05 ashimema[m] though I'm not sure it's all that more 'modern' to pick up new users
10:08 cait ashimema[m]: then ahndling with screenshots and the like is nice
10:08 cait our server is self-hosted by one of our cooperation partners
10:08 cait bbl :)
10:22 ashimema[m] indeed
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10:25 oleonard Hi #koha
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10:33 magnuse hi oleonard and alexbuckley
10:39 alexbuckley hey magnuse :)
10:40 oleonard Isn't it past your bedtime alexbuckley?
10:50 alexbuckley hey oleonard heh yeah very nearly just doing an out of hours task atm
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11:41 lmstrand hi all!
11:42 lmstrand I posted a patch for my bug, and it needs to be updated.
11:42 lmstrand can I replace the old one somehow?
11:42 TimothyAlexis lmstrand attach a new one with git bz and the old one will be obsoleted
11:45 lmstrand git bz...oh boy, seems like a lot of work. I'm a git noob.
11:45 oleonard Did you attach the patch originally via Bugzilla?
11:45 lmstrand yes
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11:46 oleonard In the list of attachments on the Bugzilla page, click "Detail" next to the patch you want to obsolete.
11:46 oleonard Then "edit details," then check the "obsolete" checkbox.
11:47 lmstrand ok thanks
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11:49 oleonard lmstrand: If you're going to be in the habit of submitting patches, git-bz is definitely worth learning
11:49 TimothyAlexis lmstrand it's very simple and I would agree that it's worth learning.
11:50 lmstrand guess I could take a look at it. :)
11:56 magnuse once you have it set up it will save you work
11:56 magnuse and if you use kohadevbox or koha-docker-testing (gah, i forget the name), they help you set it up :-)
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12:06 lmstrand I was told this about my patch: Ideally, it would be great if it could work in koha-testing-docker
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12:07 lmstrand does it mean that in koha-testing-docker by just applying the patch the new feature should work?
12:07 cait what bugs is this about? :)
12:07 lmstrand https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=25965
12:07 huginn Bug 25965: new feature, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Create SIP2 client daemon with HTTPS API endpoint
12:10 lmstrand I also have no idea how to build a test for this...
12:24 tcohen morning
12:29 oleonard Hi tcohen
12:36 tcohen lmstrand there are several tests examples in t/db_dependent/api/v1
12:37 tcohen I recommend that you mock the sip-specific calls
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12:41 cait lmstrand: i think making it work out of the box for koah-testing-docker is "nice to have" but not a requirement for your work to go in
12:41 cait tcohen: do you agree?
12:42 cait referring to that comment here: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…].cgi?id=25965#c10
12:42 huginn Bug 25965: new feature, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Create SIP2 client daemon with HTTPS API endpoint
12:43 tcohen there's something I have doubts about regarding that dev
12:43 tcohen 1. Not everyone wants to run a SIP server (i.e. should it be added to the API regardless?)
12:43 tcohen 2. I've seen setups in which several SIP servers are run with different configurations
12:44 tcohen that said, I'd go with a tiny Mojo::Lite app instead of baking it into Koha
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12:45 tcohen I'm not trying to be negative, I really like the approach
12:45 tcohen but I'm wondering what design could allow us to handle those use cases
12:46 tcohen maybe we have a route outside /api, like /sip/<configuration alias>
12:46 tcohen which allows exposing different setups
12:46 tcohen and can be enabled/disabled administratively
12:47 tcohen ok, my two cents
12:47 cait hm usually the sip conf xml file is used - identified by the user etc.
12:47 cait woudl this not work here too?
12:47 lmstrand hmmm
12:47 cait or is this totally independent from the existing sip codeß
12:47 cait ?
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12:50 lmstrand you mean the SIPconfig.xml file? Well if the SIPconfig.xnl file could be parsed easily, why not. The one I have (some age old version, not sure it has changed here in the community version) is bad xml and Can't be parsedd with tools like LibXml
12:50 lmstrand I thought about it tho.
12:51 tcohen on designing koha-docker
12:51 tcohen we made it so you can run several SIP servers
12:51 tcohen anyway
12:51 tcohen just my two cents
12:51 tcohen food for thought
12:51 tcohen I'm not on the SIP side
12:51 tcohen we need khall
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12:55 lmstrand well this implemention lets you talk to several sip servers. Just add them in config and the messages get relayed to the ip:port in the config file. This is like a separate thing outside the sip server setup and SIPconfig.xml. Only thing you need is the login id:s from SIPconfig.xml to match the ones in my separate config file.
12:56 lmstrand But the need for the rest api endpoint makes it impossible to build this one into a plugin.
12:56 tcohen so this is a SIP proxy
12:57 lmstrand more or less
12:57 tcohen this is the perfect fit for a plugin, actually
12:57 tcohen and yes, we can inject 'contribute' routes through plugins
12:57 lmstrand oh?
12:57 wahanui oh are there instructions?
12:57 tcohen :-D
12:57 lmstrand nice then.
12:58 tcohen lookins for a straightforward example
12:59 tcohen[…]a-plugin-innreach
12:59 lmstrand adding a new route...that requires all kids of plack restarts etc wouldn't it?
12:59 lmstrand *kinds
12:59 tcohen after you install the plugin, you need to restart plack, yes
13:00 tcohen or wait until the workers respawn themselves
13:01 tcohen is that an issue?
13:01 lmstrand no...
13:04 lmstrand I'm just thinking, with this system the need for tunneling and VPN stuff would become obsolete in the future when talking to a sip server. Shouldn't it still be merged into the Koha, or baking it in.
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13:04 lmstrand It's not overly difficult to make this one into a plugin tho.
13:05 tcohen the problem is SIP clients don't talk HTTP don't they?
13:05 lmstrand I've studied the basic of thgem already
13:05 tcohen I'd suggest the simpler route of writing a plugin
13:05 lmstrand no, the module uses sockets to talk to the sip server
13:06 lmstrand after it parses the necessary stuff from inside the XML the endpoint receives
13:06 tcohen that's totally something a route controller can do
13:07 lmstrand Let's see if I can make sense on how to inject an endpoint to the rest api in a plugin.
13:08 lmstrand I wonder if that plugin you posted work on my dev container
13:08 lmstrand We're a bit behind with our koha version I assume.
13:09 lmstrand And it's development has gotten kinda out of hand and I guess it does not have much in common with the community version
13:09 lmstrand here in koha Finland
13:10 cait i think koha suomi is quite different, but always glad to see people around contributing still
13:13 tcohen lmstrand that plugin requires 19.11
13:13 tcohen[…]/koha-plugin-gobi
13:13 tcohen this is simpler
13:13 tcohen injecting routes was introduced on 18.11
13:14 tcohen but there's been some bugs and enhancements you wouldn't want to miss
13:14 lmstrand my version:
13:16 tcohen that's not even a stable version
13:16 tcohen he
13:16 cait I think that's due to the local dev
13:16 lmstrand yeah, doesn't tell the whole story
13:17 lmstrand I do have plugin manager here tho
13:17 cait it's been extended a lot in recent releases
13:17 cait the plugin functionality
13:17 tcohen that's easily backported, though
13:18 lmstrand ok
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14:17 oleonard henryb++
14:19 cait henryb++ :)
14:21 cait hm i just got a question about "how to close/stop a standing order" - i'd say reopen, remove standing order and cancel open order... but is that th eright way?
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14:23 lukeG morning Koha!
14:24 lukeG cait here?
14:24 cait yes
14:25 lukeG Hi cait! If we get Bug 23420 in is there even any need to still have the sys pref AllowPurchaseSuggestionBranchChoice
14:25 lukeG ?
14:25 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=23420 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lucas, Failed QA , Add "SuggestionsUnwantedFields" to hide fields from the suggestions form
14:25 cait no, I think we should remove and replace with yoru new feature
14:26 cait we can use the current setting for setting the UnwantedFields and then delet eit
14:26 cait sorry if it was not clear
14:26 lukeG cait: Should I remove it with a follow-up to Bug 23420, or as a new seperate bug?
14:26 cait otherwise i think the prefs will be in conflict and that could be confusing
14:26 cait i think it could go on the same bug
14:26 lukeG Got it! Thanks
14:27 cait does it make sense to you?
14:27 lukeG Yes
14:27 cait ok :)
14:27 lukeG I will remove the syspref with a follow-up
14:29 cait lukeG: you missed it i think, but i was wondering what yu recomment for closing a standing order
14:29 cait at the moment i am at edit basket, remove standing, close basket and cancel last open order... but not sure if that's the best way
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15:12 oleonard Could I have a data inconsistency which would cause this error from the data inconsistency check script? Can't call method "get_column" on an undefined value at line 157.
15:22 ashimema[m] usually means you've forgotten to run the dbic schema build
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15:38 reiveune bye
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15:51 oleonard Why did I think I could make a nice quick change to
15:58 ashimema[m] hahahahha
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16:13 cait oleonard-away: because you are an optimist? :)
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17:09 oleonard I guess so. I got mad that Bug 7703 still exists so I'm taking another crack at it.
17:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7703 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Failed QA , Don't block bulk hold action on search results if some items can't be placed on hold
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19:03 * oleonard gave up
19:05 tcohen ashimema[m] do you have ideas on how a bulk processing route could behave?
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19:05 tcohen return data structure, specifically
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19:40 ivandz hi all
19:42 ivandz Why do I see one variable when creating an index, but after creating the index name is different? Thank.
19:42 ivandz Readonly our $ BIBLIOS_INDEX => 'biblios';
19:42 ivandz Readonly our $ AUTHORITIES_INDEX => 'authorities';
19:43 cait ivandz: what are you trying to do?
19:44 ivandz indexing
19:44 wahanui somebody said indexing was only for bib records and items
19:44 ivandz but name of index isn't biblios
19:44 ivandz koha_same_text_biblios
19:44 ivandz why?
19:45 cait ivandz: I am sorry, I am not sure still what you are trying to do
19:45 cait oleonard: can you take a look at bug 25941? missing the first patch
19:45 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=25941 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Reindent Upload local cover image page
19:47 ivandz cait, _do_reindex($callback, $Koha::SearchEngine::Elast​icsearch::BIBLIOS_INDEX); Does the actual reindexing. $callback is a function that always returns the next record.
19:48 ivandz cait, $Koha::SearchEngine::Elasticsearch::BIBLIOS_INDEX = 'biblios'
19:48 cait I think i might be the wrong person for this one
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19:50 ivandz after the reindex I see a name of index that does not equal 'biblios'
19:57 kathryn kia ora :)
20:05 davidnind hi kathryn!
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20:08 * cait waves
20:10 kathryn hi davidnind, hi cait :)
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