IRC log for #koha, 2020-06-01

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05:18 dcook Bug 25634
05:18 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=25634 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , koha-foreach exits if 1 command has non-zero status
05:19 dcook I wonder how many people are getting bitten by that
05:19 dcook And I did a horrible job describing it...
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05:56 dcook @later tell Joubu could you look at Bug 25634 and tell me what you think?
05:56 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded.
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06:38 reiveune hello
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07:05 Joubu ashimema++
07:05 paxed grrrhhh
07:05 Joubu koha-community++
07:05 paxed Error while loading /home/koha/Koha/misc/plack/plack.psgi: Can't locate Authen/CAS/Client/Response/
07:10 ashimema Community++
07:10 ashimema Thanks for all your helps guys.. u have lots of catching up to do this morning
07:10 Joubu paxed: Did you install it?
07:10 ashimema S/u/I
07:11 ashimema Silly mobile
07:11 paxed Joubu: this installation has been working fine for several years. i stopped apache/plack/memcached today, and trying to restart, that's all i get.
07:11 Joubu do you use CAS?
07:11 paxed no
07:12 Joubu Do you have libauthen-cas-client-perl installed?
07:12 paxed yes
07:12 Joubu which version?
07:12 wahanui somebody said which version was thiis?
07:13 paxed libauthen-cas-client-perl                       0.07-1
07:13 Joubu same here
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07:15 paxed i sure did not need this today. first day the libraries here are open since they were closed few months ago due to corona.
07:16 Joubu try pmpath Authen::CAS::Client
07:16 Joubu edit the file
07:17 Joubu no, it's not there
07:17 Joubu I see /usr/share/perl5/Authen/CAS​/Client/ Authen::CAS::Client::Response::Failure;
07:17 paxed yup.
07:18 Joubu as a workaround I'd try to comment the use line in C4::Auth_with_cas
07:18 Joubu as it seems you need a quick fix
07:18 Joubu 26 use Authen::CAS::Client;
07:20 Joubu but in my understanding of the code, C4::Auth_with_cas should not be loaded if the pref casAuthentication is off
07:21 paxed Joubu: thanks, i got it up and running, for now.
07:21 paxed casAuthentication is off
07:29 paxed Joubu: i'm wondering, why in C4/Auth require C4::Auth_with_cas is outside the if ($cas)? compare to if ($ldap) case
07:30 Joubu hum indeed, that seems wrong
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08:16 ashimema 20.05.x branch added and permissions granted.. Joubu.. master is now all yours.. good luck :)
08:17 ashimema rangi, tcohen and I all still have push rights to back you up as and when requested (rangi because he always has, tomas and I because we're listed as RM Assistants 🙂 )
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08:17 mtj hi folks, im about
08:17 ashimema hi mtj
08:18 ashimema hows it going :)
08:18 mtj just running some jenkins tests on the 20.05.00 tag
08:19 ashimema thanks mtj
08:21 Joubu yup ashimema :)
08:22 ashimema @later tell tuxayo catch me when you are about. I can add your public key to the git servers.
08:22 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded.
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09:20 ashimema cait
09:20 ashimema any idea which post is the front page on the community?
09:20 cait yep
09:20 cait i was there before
09:20 cait let me try
09:20 ashimema thanks
09:20 cait i think it's hiding in the template stuff
09:20 cait you wnt to change the front version?
09:20 ashimema I can't seem to find it..
09:20 ashimema yup
09:21 ashimema I sent a handover email round btw.. think i used your address
09:21 cait that's ok, we got a holiday today
09:21 cait that made me see it
09:21 cait already responded
09:21 ashimema it lists what i've already done to handover and what I think still left
09:21 ashimema awesome, thanks
09:22 paxed Joubu: will you file a bug for the require CAS being outside if ($cas)?
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09:25 Joubu paxed: I am not familiar enough to make sure it's not outside on purpose
09:25 Joubu *with cas code*
09:32 cait ashimema: found it! changing website now
09:34 cait Customize > Homepage settings
09:35 ashimema nice one.. thanks cait
09:36 Joubu Are the pkg available already? I think we use to change to homepage when they are
09:37 cait we are linking to the release statement, i think it shoudl be ok to do it now
09:37 cait the mail is also gone out already
09:37 cait has gone...
09:38 cait doing it half makes not much sense I think - the cat is out of the bag :)
09:42 dolf Hello kohaphiles, I need some advice or pointers to where I can find advice. I have an app that reads records from Koha via OAI-PMH. The app uses it for referencing works, and links each reference back to the record's detail page. Very nifty. Now we want to reference works that we don't physically have on the shelf (and never will have). I'm trying to figure out whether it's better to create a new Koha instance, library, branch, or location. I'm not sure where in
09:42 dolf the hierarchy would be the best place. Any ideas on the pros and cons of these?
09:44 cait i think it's mostly a question on how you want it to look
09:44 cait not a technical one
09:44 cait how to configure it so people are aware this is not in your library catalog
09:44 cait well it's in the catalog... but not in the library
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09:45 cait we have a library that refers to items in a big library close by and they have created a branch for this, which makes sense in this case
09:46 cait a branch could help when people want to limit easily from the simple search to items only available in your library - so maybe I'd go this route
09:48 dolf We tend to use the advanced search page only, and I see there is a filter for library, but not for branches. Does it only show up when there is more than one branch? Or does it only show up on the simple search in opac-main?
09:48 dolf And you're quite right, we want those records available, but omitted in search by default.
09:48 cait librareis = branches
09:48 cait koha doesn't have a hierarchy below library
09:48 dolf oooh sorry, I though that was yet another level in the hierarchy
09:49 cait the simple search can also offer a library pull down- there is a pref to make that show up
09:49 cait OpacAddMastheadLibraryPulldown
09:50 dolf Very nice, this sounds like the way to go.
09:50 dolf I also looked at library groups, since the manual says that it's used to limit searches, but it's not very clear how that works. E.g.: What is "__SEARCH_GROUPS__" ?
09:57 cait where have you looked?
09:57 cait search groups can be used to group mulitple libraries for searching
09:58 cait so you can simultanously search in multiple by only selecting one group
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10:02 dolf So if I go to /cgi-bin/koha/admin/ I see an empty group named __SEARCH_GROUPS__ and I don't know what it's for.
10:03 dolf I was looking for a way to omit my "references" library from search by default. Have not found a way yet. It would be nice to be able to configure a default for the location filter on all searches, or completely ban the references branch from searches.
10:06 cait if you hide it, you won't be ablet o link to it
10:07 cait and not sure if oai-pmh will still give you the data
10:07 cait there are some ways using apache to create a opac interaface for single libraries in an instance
10:08 cait thinking loud and maybe confusing
10:09 cait tihnking of something like this: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_in_Apache_config
10:09 cait but maybe in that case having a separate instance would be easier
10:11 dolf We don't want to hide the data. Detail pages should be available. I could configure one group for branches that should be included in searches, and another for the reference branch(es) (which should, by default, be excluded from searches). That why I was wondering what the empty group called __SEARCH_GROUPS__ is for...
10:12 dolf If only I could change the default value of the "MastheadLibraryPulldown" as well as the default value of the location filter on the advanced search page.
10:14 cait you can with jquery and opacuserjs
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10:16 dolf If that's the only way... it feels hacky to select default values using custom JS.
10:16 dolf Thanks for the ideas!!
10:17 dolf By the way, it looks like __SEARCH_GROUPS__ is something left over because of updating from a previous Koha version. https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=16735 It looks like I can just delete it.
10:17 huginn Bug 16735: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, CLOSED FIXED, Replace existing library search groups functionality with the new hierarchical groups system
10:20 dolf no jQuery needed: document.getElementById('select_library').value = 'branch:ABC'
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10:23 cait yes, that's javascript directly, jquery makes it even a little easier
10:24 dolf Even better: (document.getElementById('select_library') || {}).value = 'branch:RSC';
10:30 dolf I might have misunderstood something... are records associated with branches, or are only the items associated with branches?
10:37 cait only items
10:37 cait you have to add items to your reference records for the branch to make it work
10:38 dolf OK, so maybe I do need a separate instance then... I'll do some experiments
10:41 dolf By the way, I found the first problem with my naive JS code from above: When 'branch_group_limit' is set in the query params, it is overwritten, so if you manually changed the branch, ran a search, modified your search and ran it again, it searches on a different branch. So it gets more complicated.
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10:54 oleonard Hi #koha
10:54 cait hi oleonard :)
10:54 * cait is not sure what made her go there... but bug 25630
10:54 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=25630 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , More capitalization and terminology fixes for system preferences
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11:00 ashimema looks great cait
11:00 ashimema new 'Technical highlights' section just added to the release news
11:00 ashimema
11:01 oleonard Congratulations ashimema on the release
11:01 * ashimema forgot/ran out of time to add them last night prior to the anouncement
11:01 ashimema thanks oleonard
11:01 ashimema just sweeping up the last bits now :)
11:01 ashimema but at least we managed to announce it in May stil ;)
11:02 cait great effort on that ashimema++
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11:09 oleonard The release notes are wonderfully long :D
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11:23 ashimema lol.. they're HUGE
11:24 ashimema must admit I ran out of go at the end.. it was a long hard slog to try and make them appealing with decent summaries for at least all the new features and lots of the enhancements.
11:26 cait perfect is the enemy... (of what I forgot)
11:26 cait but i feel you/we did pretty great and now it's onto the next cycle :)
11:26 ashimema haha.. indeed
11:26 ashimema yup.. looking forward to getting stuck into the next cycle :)
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11:49 tcohen ashimema
11:49 wahanui well, ashimema is literally just writing up the release anouncement ;)
11:49 tcohen ashimema++
11:53 ashimema :D
11:54 ashimema thankyou guys
12:02 tcohen ashimema++
12:02 tcohen ashimema
12:02 wahanui i heard ashimema was literally just writing up the release anouncement ;)
12:02 tcohen ashimeme++
12:02 tcohen ashimema++
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12:30 ashimema lol
12:36 ashimema bug 25642
12:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=25642 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Technical notes are missing from the release
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14:18 caroline hi all! Before I file a bug, I just wanted to make sure I'm not misuderstanding this... is the maxreserves syspref still relevant since it is possible to set à maximum for holds under "Default checkout, hold and return policy" and "Default checkout, hold policy by patron category"?
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14:19 caroline I'm not sure in which case maxreserves and "Default checkout, hold and return policy" would differ
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14:39 oleonard caroline: Holds limits are dark magic
14:45 tcohen mtj++
14:45 Joubu caroline: IIRC the pref (maxreserves) is not correctly used. It only does a general count at some point.
14:46 caroline it definitely blocks something (at least in 19.05 and before)
14:46 Joubu caroline: reading the code it's really not clear what we are doing with the pref, it's only used in the 2 controller scripts and not in the module. So the "real" check we are doing to allow a reserve is done on the circ rules
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14:47 Joubu caroline: yes I think it could be bad if the value of the pref is below the circ rules, is that the problem?
14:47 caroline yes
14:47 reiveune bye
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14:48 Joubu my understanding is that it's there for historical reasons, and must be removed and replaced with the "max_holds" circ rules
14:48 caroline a client has lets say 12 reserves in a circ rule, no defaut hold policy and 3 in maxreserves; holds are limited to 3
14:49 caroline ok I'll file a bug then!
14:49 caroline thanks Joubu!
14:51 Joubu maybe it makes sense to have it as a upper limit for everything, but IMO that must be the "Maximum total holds allowed (count)" in the default circ rule.
14:55 caroline I also prefer the default hold policy since it can be overridden by the default hold policy by patron category (for admin patron for example who you want to allow many more holds than regular patrons)
14:56 * caroline has to learn how the circulation_rules table works...
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15:01 caroline filed bug 25643
15:01 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=25643 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Remove maxreserves syspref
15:05 oleonard As I recall we removed it once and then found that we had to add it back. Hopefully things have progressed.
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15:27 null404 hello
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16:57 lisettelatah hello all
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17:23 oleonard-away Hi lisettelatah
17:23 * oleonard-away isn't really here because he should be eating lunch
17:26 tcohen back
17:26 tcohen hi lisettelatah
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22:35 pastebot "tcohen" at pasted "mst" (37 lines) at
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23:38 ashimema What you upto tcohen
23:38 ashimema I've seen that error you pasted.. to mst? Before..
23:38 ashimema It's not during a run of the dbic dump is it...?
23:39 * ashimema goes to bed
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