IRC log for #koha, 2020-03-23

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07:00 magnuse \o/
07:00 magnuse bonjour le hackfest virtuel!
07:02 Nemo_bis :)
07:12 cait hello  hackfesters
07:12 cait :)
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07:24 magnuse homeschooling for me today, so not a lot of action from me, at least not at the beginning of the day
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07:25 cait magnuse: you got all week :)
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07:45 reiveune hello
07:45 wahanui kia ora, reiveune
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07:55 Stefan Hi. I'm pretty new to koha. we have not yet implemented koha in our library, but are planning on doing it soon.
07:55 cait2 hi Stefan - welcome :)
07:56 cait2 where are you from?
07:56 Stefan I have a hard time getting all information I want from bug reports in bugzilla. for instance this Bug 13622. it says closed fixed, but how can I see in which version of koha and where can I find documentation how to use the functionality explained in the repot
07:56 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13622 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, CLOSED FIXED, Add option to display datetimes as dates in notices
07:57 Stefan (I'm from sweden)
07:57 cait2 ah! Germany ;)
07:57 cait2 IRC regulars?
07:57 wahanui hmmm... IRC regulars is
07:59 Stefan wahanui should I update IRC regulars with info about myself?
07:59 wahanui wish i knew, stefan
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07:59 magnuse Stefan: if you plan to become a regular ;-)
07:59 sophie_m hi #koha
07:59 magnuse wahanui is a bot, sometimes useful, sometimes annoying
08:00 Stefan we'll see what the future brings then.
08:00 ashimema Morning
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08:02 magnuse Stefan: the last comments will say what versions a patch is in. the test plan should give an idea about what it does
08:02 alex_a Bonjour
08:02 wahanui niihau, alex_a
08:02 Stefan @magnuse the last comment is "Patches pushed to master.  Thanks Jonathan and Marcel!"
08:02 huginn Stefan: I suck
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08:04 cait2 Stefan: was also meant as a help to look up people
08:04 rocket_bridge [rocketchat] <ashimema> Ohh.. it works
08:04 cait2 i think (there can be more Stefans) we might have met
08:04 magnuse Stefan: is that an old bug? i think RMs have gotten increasingly better at being informative ;-)
08:05 Stefan magnuse looking at the testplan was a great tip. thanks
08:05 ashimema we have?
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08:06 magnuse rocket++
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08:08 magnuse Stefan: 13622 was pushed to master on 2015-09-16 so you can be sure it is in any recent version
08:08 Stefan @magnuse thanks
08:08 huginn Stefan: downloading the Perl source
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08:09 rocket_bridge [rocketchat] <ashimema> Good morning
08:09 magnuse Stefan: you can drop the @ :)
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08:09 magnuse ashimema: hiya
08:10 * ashimema finally got around to playing with matterbridge and rocket..
08:10 ashimema just need to poke rangi with the IP
08:10 Stefan sorry. but why does your name has a @ and nobody elses?
08:10 ashimema and tweak some config a bit
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08:12 cait2 Stefan: display might depend on the client you use - where do you see the @?
08:12 magnuse Stefan: i guess i'm kind of an admin in here (can't remember the proper name), maybe your client highlights that with a @?
08:13 Stefan oh, I see
08:15 cait2 does someone know what the 'eye' is called that you click to see the password you typed in?
08:16 cait2 trying to write up a bug report for a library and not sure how to phrase that
08:18 magnuse no idea, sorry
08:18 cait2 i have settled on:
08:18 cait2 Bug 24949        - Show password in staff login screen on user's demand
08:18 cait2 for now
08:21 magnuse how hard would it be to implement 2FA with a one time pincode/password sent out via email/sms? just a thought...
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08:23 ashimema grr
08:23 ashimema DM's don't work in matterbridge
08:24 cait2 write it up for later
08:24 cait2 comparing
08:25 cait2 so... who is here for the hackfest?
08:25 ashimema 2FA isn't too bad to impliment.. but is painful to work within..
08:26 ashimema it's the koha end that stopped me in my tracks over xmas when I tried magnuse
08:27 ashimema cait and cait2
08:27 ashimema how lucky are we
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08:30 cait2 2 laptops, stuck on work things a bit before hard core hackfesting
08:33 ashimema did you have any more luck than I'm having with and irc magnuse?
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08:34 lilipute1h_asu I didn't got why is there all this fuzz about RocketChat, I mean, IRC is great isn't it? why move?
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08:36 ashimema I know allot of people who would dissagree that 'IRC' is great ;)
08:37 cait2 IRC is just a protocol... dpeends on the client, doesn't it?
08:38 cait2 we also use xmpp, i have both in the same client, not really much difference
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08:39 ashimema I find IRC is a barrier to entry for allot of our customers.
08:39 ashimema also.. if IRC is so great how come so many big companies have migrated to slack ;)
08:39 ashimema anywho.
08:39 ashimema I think I'm going to park this again
08:40 Nemo_bis I have some thoughts on that but it would be a long tangent
08:40 ashimema a bridge isn't going to give us a better experience in my opinion in my findings to far
08:40 magnuse in sweden they have a slack channel for koha which is very active with all sorts of people, it looks like the barrier to entry is lower than with irc
08:40 cait2 because of hype? It's not free
08:41 cait2 i think the missing bit is a well working web client
08:41 cait2 that's the barrier at the moment more than the protocol
08:41 ashimema agreed
08:41 ashimema it's not the protocol that's an issue..
08:42 ashimema though I do think that could be enhanced too
08:42 ashimema but the number of different clients and fragmentation in the ecosystem really is.
08:42 ashimema for me.. persistence in chat is a massive shortfall in irc
08:42 cait2 I myself never got an invite to any Slack thing - so can't really compare much
08:43 ashimema you have to host a server yourself to get that
08:43 ashimema or pay for irccloud
08:43 cait2 hmm
08:43 cait2 we do have this logged.. and i kinda like that i can log off without people keeping talking to me :)
08:43 cait2 but it certainly depends
08:43 ashimema we don't log PM's
08:44 ashimema and shouldn't/can't
08:44 ashimema but I do a fair chunk of communication in PM's and want that history
08:45 jajm you can tell your irc client to log pm
08:45 cait2 hm i can store that locally, but have stopped doing it
08:45 ashimema I do
08:45 lilipute1h_asu ashimema: also I thought #koha was logged somewhere?
08:46 lilipute1h_asu so, history is not an issue I guess?
08:46 ashimema #koha is logged
08:47 ashimema you guys are only strengthening my arguament here ;)
08:47 ashimema yup.. #koha is logged.. but you have to know that it is and find those logs somewhere..
08:48 ashimema yes.. you can log things yourself.. but you have to leave a client running to get full logs and you have to find yourself a client that supports it..
08:48 ashimema those are barriers to new users..
08:48 ashimema magnuse put it well..
08:48 ashimema sweden has a strong slack group with lots of interactions.. because slack is easy ;)
08:48 ashimema irc is not
08:48 ashimema if you have access to slack.. join the FOLIO group.. see how active that is ;)
08:49 ashimema I don't want to go slack btw..
08:49 cait2 yeah... if you have access to slack
08:49 cait2 i am still not sure how that works
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08:49 ashimema just wanted to try and move us to a more modern open chat
08:50 cait2 and sweden also has a strong user group that can host/organize things
08:50 cait2 and it's good to experiment
08:50 cait2 my only point is it shoudl really be open to everyone
08:51 cait2 i don't care about the technology really :)
08:51 lilipute1h_asu cait2: agree... irc is much more frugal, might even run on less than 56k. useful in case of zombie's attack :)
08:52 lilipute1h_asu (no one use 56k anymore theses days, argument is foolish...)
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08:53 lilipute1h_asu anyone knows a nice cli client for rocketchat?
08:54 davidnind lilipute1h_asu: the log is here
08:55 ashimema are you pointing out the lack of a cli client as a major drawback
08:55 jajm ashimema, it certainly is for me, i'm trying the rocket chat client: it takes ~400M of memory, while my irssi takes 2M :)
08:56 lilipute1h_asu jajm++
08:56 ashimema ok, fair enough
08:57 cait2 hi davidnind :)
08:58 davidnind hi cat2!
08:58 davidnind hi cait2!
08:58 davidnind :)
08:59 lilipute1h_asu using pidgin or hexchat or weechat or whatever irc gui client doesn't seems like a big issue for new users. and there are web clients as well like mibbit
08:59 * ashimema goes to meetings
09:00 Joubu cait2: I blacklisted the bz spammer
09:01 cait2 Joubu: there were multiple logins - how did you figure out?
09:01 Joubu yes, just noticed that
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09:18 SoniaB Hello everybody
09:19 cait2 hi Sonia
09:19 SoniaB I would be glad to test anything concerning revamped circulation rules during this virual hackest week
09:20 SoniaB Don't hesitate to ask me if needed
09:21 cait2 SoniaB++
09:21 SoniaB Hi cait2! Ready for the hackfest from home? Not as good as Marseille...
09:21 cait2 the catering wil certainly lack
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09:22 cait2 I am trying to create some Twitter noise about the hackfest[…]42015869368221697 wanna help? :)
09:24 davidnind What would you like on kohails or are you going to use the GBSD account?
09:24 davidnind (Bit slow in starting this week....)
09:25 SoniaB retweet done :) I will feed it if I have something to add
09:25 cait2 you could already add the circulation editor bit :)
09:25 cait2 get people curious
09:27 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Fix items.cn_sort vs cn_sort <[…]60f5dd440ba4af02f>
09:27 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23463: (follow-up 2) Fix timestamp default value <[…]89d13a7c684cd059f>
09:27 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Use new method Koha::Object->set_or_blank <[…]9484f0d59533a923f>
09:27 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Replace new occurrence of AddItem <[…]258e58117ae2e0593>
09:27 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Fix XSLT.t <[…]ebd38bac56ae6a82a>
09:27 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Fix cn_source for new item <[…]98fc51912f36a90e7>
09:27 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Fix IsItemIssued.t <[…]db44f7db6a435205f>
09:27 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Fix tests <[…]ea784ea83af2d09c1>
09:27 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Fix safe_return return value in deletion tools <[…]7387949ebc79cc4ea>
09:27 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23463: (follow-up) Fix timestamp default value <[…]de0bcab49bd090356>
09:27 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Move DelItem.t and Items_DelItemCheck.t tests to a Koha/Item.t subtest <[…]b83c140c6f7df4814>
09:27 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Fix timestamp default value <[…]7473c2d50e335e3e4>
09:27 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23463: (follow-up) Remove DelItemCheck and ItemSafeToDelete <[…]0544af04c4700817e>
09:27 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23463: cn_sort needs to be updated if cn_source changed <[…]b26993161d9fd07e0>
09:27 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Replace recently added occurrences <[…]87580778364571c14>
09:27 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23463: build cn_sort only if needed <[…]cee1409ed6608e12b>
09:27 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Fix items.cn_source vs cn_source <[…]274d7e277e1a15fff>
09:27 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23463: update permanent_location if location has been updated <[…]22ae7a00adb80cf34>
09:27 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Fix AutomaticItemModificationByAge.t <[…]6169eb58682912e6b>
09:27 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Getting less item-level_itypes warnings (?) <[…]63015e7138d80e69c>
09:29 * cait2 hopes she did not break Jenkins
09:29 davidnind Looks like all the bugs are fixed, we can all go home now!
09:30 davidnind :-D
09:33 SoniaB cait2: Which is the best BZ to begin with concerning the circulation rules? 15522?
09:33 cait2 nice try :)
09:34 cait2 Joubu: can you help?
09:34 cait2 looking at the graph, sec SoniaB, but Joubu is the expert
09:35 cait2 it looks like youg ot the right bug, dependences appear resolved
09:35 ashimema I think bug 15522 is the right place
09:35 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15522 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , New interface for revamped circulation rules
09:36 ashimema looks like kidclamp was demoing it to their partners
09:43 Joubu SoniaB: Bonjour :) There is only one left! bug 15522
09:43 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15522 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , New interface for revamped circulation rules
09:54 cait2 Joubu: is this one sandbox testable?
09:55 cait2 we could put it on the Trello and maybe advertisse #hfk20
09:56 Joubu it should be testable on a sandbox, yes
09:56 Joubu actually I am waiting for kidclamp to give us some feedback on it. But always good to have more!
09:58 cait2 Joubu: added to trello
09:59 cait2 ashimema: I found a bunch of old bugs around transfers and holds that probably would benefit from just being retested
09:59 cait2 was wondering how far you are with the transfer work and if it would be a good idea to publish that list somewhere?
10:00 ashimema :)
10:00 ashimema I just pushed a bunch of it :)
10:00 ashimema and am working on the next piece at the moment.
10:01 ashimema would be good to have that list of old transfers bugs.. be nice to test those
10:01 ashimema I've been adding lots of tests around the transfers code as a first step before refactoring a bunch of it.
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10:04 cait2 ok, so I will go ahead with t a little later!
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10:33 ashimema Joubu... I'm on the case for those failures
10:34 Joubu I am too
10:35 Joubu ashimema: there are 2 follow-ups on 23463
10:35 ashimema ok..
10:35 ashimema I've already got a followup for the Ill one
10:35 Joubu the selenium failure does not come from 23463
10:35 Joubu ashimema: perfect, that was my next one :)
10:35 ashimema okies
10:36 ashimema excellent
10:36 wahanui darn tootin' it is.
10:36 ashimema I'll grab your two now
10:37 Joubu and a 3rd one
10:37 Joubu attached now
10:37 Joubu that will fix all but the selenium one, if you have the ILL one
10:38 ashimema aha..
10:38 ashimema thanks
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10:39 Joubu ashimema: about the selenium failure, did you push something modifying the dateaccesionned framework plugin?
10:39 ashimema hmm..
10:39 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Fix wrong variable name <[…]71a8b2b3aa79e74bb>
10:39 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Fix CourseReserves/CourseItems.t <[…]0022941cd1cc3c476>
10:39 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23463: (RM follow-up) Add try block around Illrequest item creation <[…]7e238b1322acbca9e>
10:39 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Replace a new occurrence of ModItem <[…]890dd1a68d90f67b8>
10:39 ashimema I don't believe so..
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10:39 ashimema I pushed just 23463 since the last all green Jenkins
10:40 ashimema I had a feeling there might be the odd little test failure so thought it would be easiest to push on it's own..
10:40 ashimema next up will the the attributes but
10:40 ashimema * next up will the the attributes bug
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11:03 SoniaB I tried to set a sandbox with the bywatersolutions system, but the staff and opac buttons lead to the setting page... did I miss something?
11:04 ashimema khall around yet?
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11:06 cait2 SoniaB: had that happen a while ago too - probably a problem on the sandbox system
11:06 cait2 going for a walk (lunch break) bbiab
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11:45 * kidclamp waves
11:49 * cait2 waves back
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11:54 oleonard Hi #koha
11:55 kidclamp hello oleonard
11:56 oleonard Did I get here too late for the international assortment of snacks?
11:56 * kidclamp hides many wrappers
11:57 kidclamp *chews* what snacks? *chews*
11:57 cait2 oleonard: you are a little mean... now I remember...
11:57 cait2 also missing catered lunch right now
11:58 oleonard Okay now I'm very sad, time to distract myself with bugs
12:01 * oleonard wonders why his Mac doesn't import koha-testing-docker's bash_aliases file
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12:06 kidclamp oleonard: try removing the line breaks from the aliases - i think when we were testing we found that made things grump
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12:08 oleonard kidclamp++
12:08 oleonard Thanks!
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12:08 * oleonard offers a selection of powerful foreign licorice as payment
12:10 ashimema bug 24820 would be a nice easy SO for someone
12:10 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=24820 major, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , The cashup workflow should use the static 'date' field rather than the transient 'timestamp' field in accountlines
12:10 ashimema jajm.. are you continueing on QAing the authorized balues translation bug?
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12:14 Joubu ashimema: added a follow-up for the selenium test. I will open a bug report. Let me know if the commit description is meaningful
12:15 ashimema Thanks :)
12:16 jajm ashimema, i cannot really put the QA stamp on it but i can try to signoff the latest patch
12:17 ashimema ta
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12:23 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Fix selenium tests (highlight a bug in date management) <[…]29e658d239b8d0102>
12:24 * oleonard found the open source app Joplin the other day and is liking it a lot as an Evernote replacement
12:24 oleonard A random thought for you all.
12:25 ashimema I use Joplin
12:25 ashimema it's nice
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12:27 oleonard ashimema: Do you use a FOSS Dropbox replacement too?
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12:34 cait we use owncloud / nexcloud around here
12:36 cait hm was going to use framapad for a pad - but they have closed down for now (overloaded) - is Joplin an alternative?
12:38 cait hm found an old one - just can't open new, will reuse it
12:38 oleonard I use ownCloud and I don't know how it relates to Nextcloud... forks?
12:39 cait yes
12:39 * oleonard can't remember if he deliberately chose one over the other or just grabbed ownCloud
12:39 cait our university here offers nextcloud, but I think my personal one is still owncload
12:39 cait cloud
12:40 * oleonard imagines the open source ownToad, where you get your own toad.
12:41 oleonard Bug 24953
12:41 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=24953 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Minor corrections to hold ratios report sidebar
12:42 cait oleonard++ :)
12:44 ashimema I don't use Dropbox much these days so haven't really needed to find a replacement yet.
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12:44 marcelr hi #koha
12:44 oleonard Hi marcelr
12:44 ashimema I keep getting tempted to host my own little NextCloud (OwnCloud is still developed but all the original developers moved to NextCloud I believe)
12:44 marcelr thx bgkriegel++
12:45 marcelr hi oleonard ashimema
12:45 ashimema hi
12:46 marcelr khall_++
12:48 cait does this work for you?[…]-projects?lang=en
12:49 ashimema yup
12:51 oleonard Wow, splitter's working today!
12:51 ashimema :)
12:51 cait don't scare it
12:52 cait pad is open for editing now - type your hearts out if you want :)
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13:10 nlegrand hey #koha
13:11 cait Added some testing tasks to the Trello
13:12 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
13:12 wahanui Congratulations!
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13:16 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
13:16 wahanui Congratulations!
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13:25 tuxayo[m]1 hi #koha o/
13:25 oleonard Hi tuxayo[m]1
13:27 tuxayo[m]1 cait:
13:27 tuxayo[m]1 «hm was going to use framapad for a pad - but they have closed down for now (overloaded) - is Joplin an alternative?»
13:27 tuxayo[m]1 They are overloaded
13:27 tuxayo[m]1 But many other hosters exists
13:27 tuxayo[m]1 (the CHATONS collective )
13:27 tuxayo[m]1 We made a list of public etherpad instance
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13:28 cait tuxayo[m] thx, i worked around it be repurposing one I already had
13:28 cait they don't allow new, but you can use old ones
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13:37 tuxayo[m]1 cait: If there are lags, we should move on. That show that they are short on resources.
13:37 tuxayo[m]1 One reason is because the french ministry of education is not willing/capable of providing collaboration tools. (when they can spend millions on non-libre software...)
13:37 tuxayo[m]1 So I i understand correctly they said on their official recommendations to school and million of pupils to (among ) simply use the tools of Framasoft.
13:37 tuxayo[m]1 Who then were furious. It's kinda like if there was a disruption of the canteens and the ministry directed the personnel and pupil to the soup kitchens
13:39 tuxayo[m]1 cait: actually if we go there:
13:39 tuxayo[m]1 We can create a new pad. They set up some kind of load balancer would will redirect to another another Chaton.
13:40 cait yeah i translated the note on the  start page
13:40 cait so far it seems to work well, no lags or issues
13:40 cait and i can understand why they weren't amused
13:40 Nemo_bis There are dozens of alternative etherpad instances to use
13:41 Nemo_bis (linked from the footer, "one instance among others")
13:45 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
13:45 wahanui Congratulations!
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13:49 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Fix merge_with behavior <[…]9201767f240b47270>
13:50 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Handle non existent attribute when importing patrons <[…]260c37b007da3da4a>
13:50 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Fix patron modification approval <[…]e17175ae3203a92b2>
13:50 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Do not explode if attribute does not have a valid av <[…]2bc10d0325557876c>
13:50 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Fix creation of new patron with attributes <[…]86a619441f1763a0a>
13:50 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Fix POD <[…]092befaa78993baeb>
13:50 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Fix add/edit for checkboxes <[…]5f7ac113f9a1ffa1b>
13:50 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Fix Patrons/Import.t <[…]f82dd0a41dda406b6>
13:50 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Use search_with_library_limits for attribute types <[…]d445dd519cb6b6124>
13:50 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Fix Auth_with_ldap.t <[…]ee0a168c31b066909>
13:50 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20443: (follow-up) Fix t/db_dependent/Koha/Patrons.t <[…]4e8dff53c09842867>
13:50 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20443: (follow-up) Move GetBorrowerAttributes to Koha::Patron - ILSDI <[…]c741ab5afb2ffdb67>
13:50 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Remove extended_attributes_code_value_arrayref AND C4::Members::Attributes <[…]226829248847cf1ce>
13:50 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Remove extended_attributes_merge <[…]8d4672073dff37b99>
13:50 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Remove SearchIdMatchingAttribute - prove we are not cheating <[…]3b89b37150b4215f9>
13:50 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Remove C4::Members::AttributeTypes <[…]62527ad6bfe439f47>
13:50 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Remove num_patron <[…]b47b96234132012b8>
13:50 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Move C4::Members::AttributeTypes::GetAttributeTypes to Koha::Patron::Attri... <[…]3f57ba6d20bec65f9>
13:50 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Remove SearchIdMatchingAttribute <[…]c487772e3b0f7f8ee>
13:50 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Remove CheckUniqueness <[…]46a34d57655f2b7fd>
13:53 ashimema That's the next big scary one pushed...
13:54 * ashimema crosses fingers and hopes for the best
13:54 cait2 but really glad to see them move an dgo in
13:54 cait2 fingers crossed as well!
13:57 * oleonard will bbl
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14:00 ashimema bug 24951 is another trivial signoff for someone out there.. adding ID's is nice
14:00 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=24951 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Payout modal confirm button should have an ID
14:02 tuxayo[m]1 Question about koha-testing-docker: is it necessary to run 'kd' to deleted the containers after doing a "docker-compose pull" ?
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14:05 kidclamp tcohen khall_  ^
14:05 tcohen yes
14:06 tcohen kd basically cleans the container's volumes
14:06 tcohen and networks
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14:06 tuxayo[m]1 tcohen++
14:06 tuxayo[m]1 Then my test failure should be false positives, thanks :)
14:07 tcohen yeah, koha-misc4dev will find there's data on the DB
14:07 tcohen and probably fail to reset
14:09 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
14:09 wahanui Congratulations!
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14:16 ashimema :)
14:19 cait2 yay :)
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14:23 kohaputti kidclamp, ashimema: any chance bug 15522 will get to 20.05 release? Or will it be the most certainly 20.11?
14:23 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15522 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , New interface for revamped circulation rules
14:24 ashimema If it's PQA'd by the end of this week most certainly there's a chance
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14:24 ashimema this week is the final window for bugs like that one this cycle though
14:24 kidclamp I don't think it is quite ready for production
14:25 ashimema how far off is it kidclamp.. i've not looked at it at all yet.. but know people are testing it like mad at the moment
14:26 kohaputti if it would get SO'd by wednesday I *juuust* might be able to PQA it by friday
14:26 Joubu like mad?
14:26 kidclamp if testing it is important to load a real library's data. It does seem to work well on the small scale, but with a large data set it is laggy and still very wide. i.e. it doesn't solve the problems we hoped it would
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14:27 kohaputti sounds like not ready for production then, and I would wait for 20.11
14:27 cait2 but would be good to get feedback now
14:27 cait2 to see what kind of changes we need to make
14:27 kidclamp this was work we sponsored and we don't think it is reayd, that's why I put it in discussion
14:28 kidclamp we are going to demo it to sponsors for feedback
14:28 Joubu kidclamp: maybe something like bug 24670 needs to be applied to 15522
14:28 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=24670 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Circulation and fine rules page has performance issues since issuingrules change
14:28 Joubu Is performance the only problematic issue?
14:29 ashimema sounds like the UI isn't there yet either
14:29 kidclamp it offers potential for improvement, we need librarian/sponsor opinion
14:29 kidclamp but 20.05 would be a bit fast
14:30 ashimema okies
14:38 Joubu kidclamp: with 15522 rules are all retrieved at once already, so the slowness comes from the react part I guess
14:38 SoniaB kidclamp: i'd like to test 15522 because it's just a nightmare for us to change circulation rules in my library.
14:38 Joubu apply the patches locally
14:39 Joubu then, `yarn install;yarn build`
14:39 SoniaB I'm gonna ask to one of my colleague but I don't have all the access I need to do it from home with our data
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15:13 * cait thinks we need a hackfest song
15:14 cait like a title melody to play each day...
15:15 caroline I was watching a documentary on Ghostbesters yesterday...
15:15 caroline Who you ganna call?
15:15 Joubu khall: bug 22844 - there is only 1 patch attached, was it expected?
15:15 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22844 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Simplify the process of selecting database columns for system preferences
15:16 Joubu I think you forgot to attached the follow-ups with your QA stamp
15:18 cait caroline: i like the suggestion :)
15:20 khall Joubu no, something must've gone wrong with my attaching the rest of the patches :\
15:20 khall I'll take a look
15:21 cait lol
15:21 cait i just typed git so <bugnumber> ... big mistake
15:22 cait khall: pqa on bug 21443 - thx for the follow-up - hope it made sense to you
15:22 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=21443 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add ability to exclude holidays when calculating rentals fees by time period
15:22 khall ty!
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15:24 cait oh no oleonard
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15:24 cait bug 24874 is not broken for me :( coudl someone else check?
15:24 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=24874 major, P3, ---, mtj, Needs Signoff , Printing is broken on page
15:25 cait @later tell oleonard could you have a look on bug 24874 please?
15:25 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
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15:28 Joubu cait: did you test on 19.11?
15:28 cait lucas said he saw it on master
15:28 cait so no, tested with master
15:29 cait https://bugs.koha-community.or[…].cgi?id=24874#c14
15:29 huginn Bug 24874: major, P3, ---, mtj, Needs Signoff , Printing is broken on page
15:29 Joubu Mason created it for 19.11 first
15:30 lukeG i do see it in master and 19.11 on FF 74
15:30 lukeG on MacOS
15:31 cait for me on maser it looks nice before and has extrra whitespace with the patch
15:31 lukeG also I see it in Chrome (v80.0.3987.149)
15:31 cait not sure if i have covers active
15:31 lukeG no custom CSS
15:31 cait I do want it fixed, I am just wondering if we are missing a key point
15:32 Joubu broken on master for me as well
15:32 cait hmmm
15:32 cait do you have covers?
15:32 lukeG no covers
15:33 Joubu patch fixes it
15:34 Joubu I am after a reset_all, so fres
15:34 Joubu fresh DB
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15:36 Joubu weird
15:36 cait agreed
15:36 cait oleonard: ping? :)
15:36 oleonard Back
15:37 cait I was missing you...
15:37 cait we are talking about the bug i left you a later for
15:38 lukeG cait: do you have IDreamLibraries prefs to 'add' or 'dont add'?
15:38 cait Joubu: yours looks really bad
15:39 Joubu On master it is really bad, yes
15:39 lukeG I notice a difference if I toggle those sys prefs
15:39 cait lukeG: hah... i might ont have them as i just wrote a patch to remove them
15:39 cait that oculd explain
15:40 lukeG if I put them to 'add' print looks good, but when they are set to 'dont add' everything looks weird
15:40 cait strange, because removing them shoudl equal off ... i would have gussed
15:41 cait but form removing them... i think the issue might be enhanced content related then
15:44 * oleonard had to relinquish his computer for someone else's Zoom meeting
15:44 cait oh
15:44 cait on the phone?
15:45 oleonard I'm back on, getting stuff fired up again
15:45 oleonard but also ordering lunch :)
15:45 cait what's for lunch?
15:46 reiveune bye
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15:48 Joubu ashimema: follow-up on 20443
15:48 ashimema tanks Joubu
15:49 oleonard cait: Chicken salads, chicken sandwiches (and beans & rice for the non-meat-eater)
15:49 cait sounds good
15:50 corilynn mmmm chicken salad
15:50 cait with the restaurants being force-closed here some more offer delivery, but it's too hard for a single person to get to the min amount
15:50 corilynn I had one yesterday, on a croissant
15:51 oleonard We're doing carry-out, but with 5 people at home the minimum is not hard to hit :|
15:51 corilynn we did BBQ takeout on Saturday
15:51 oleonard corilynn: We tried that but our BBQ place is closed for the duration :(
15:51 oleonard cait: With bug 24874 we're talking about 19.11.x specifically?
15:51 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=24874 major, P3, ---, mtj, Needs Signoff , Printing is broken on page
15:52 cait oleonard: weren't you vegan? :)
15:52 corilynn We sent the kids (18) to get it up by the airport.. 30 miles
15:52 cait oleonard: and master, it's a bit mixed up
15:52 oleonard cait: I try to be, when it's not cheese lunch day ;)
15:52 cait getting on a bus to pick up food seems counter intutitive in the current situation :) so i guess I will stick with ohme cooked
15:52 oleonard So beans & rice for me. Happily the BBQ place offers vegan menu choices
15:53 cait ah :)
15:53 corilynn ya'll are making me hungry
15:54 cait for the CSS patch, I just want to make sure we don't fix one caase and it bites us on another combination of settings (if possible)
15:54 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Add missing use statement <[…]14b32bfc4c9163037>
16:04 tuxayo[m]1 Does anyone else got a failure on the test t/db_dependent/Acquisition/GetBasketAsCSV.t ?
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16:13 ashimema I just pushed a fix for that
16:14 ashimema see the above huginn ;)
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16:24 Joubu ashimema, kidclamp, tcohen: Opinions needed on the patch I attached on bug 23463 comment 158 - I am stuck there
16:24 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=23463 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , Move C4::Items CRUD subroutines to Koha::Item
16:26 ashimema the final followup (follow-up 3) right?
16:27 Joubu yes
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16:27 Joubu ashimema: not sure you should push it without feedback from Tomas
16:27 Joubu I PMed him, but he did not answer yet
16:27 Joubu or we will end up with a "follow-up 21" patch :)
16:28 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
16:28 wahanui Congratulations!
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16:28 Joubu ashimema: the idea is to understand what's going on, start a mysql8 container, then prove Item.t and Object.t
16:28 Joubu if you remove one of those line, at least one test will fail
16:29 Joubu not sure which one is wrong: the test, the code or both? :)
16:29 Joubu see you tomorrow!
16:31 ashimema is this not the mysql5.5 issue where you cannot have two timestamp columns with not nulls?
16:31 ashimema feels like it.
16:31 ashimema I want to get rid of 5.5 support.. this is one of the many reasons
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16:40 wahanui Congratulations!
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16:56 oleonard Anyone else find that koha-testing-docker won't import a mysql dump if there is data in biblioimages or creator_images?
16:56 oleonard Never had that problem when kohadevbox was working
16:59 ashimema hmm
16:59 ashimema I think a recent addition added a timestamp field to that table
16:59 ashimema not sure what it would affect anything though
16:59 oleonard No big deal, just curious
16:59 * oleonard can easily jettison biblioimages
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17:03 tuxayo[m]1 ashimema:
17:03 tuxayo[m]1 > I just pushed a fix for that
17:03 tuxayo[m]1 :D
17:03 * ashimema goes for dinner
17:04 ashimema back in a bit #koha
17:05 oleonard cait still around?
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17:14 wahanui Congratulations!
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17:37 oleonard kidclamp around?
17:37 * kidclamp rolls
17:38 oleonard Hey, I'm trying to test Bug 16787 and I'm not sure I'm looking for the right hing
17:38 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16787 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Needs Signoff , 'Too many holds' message appears inappropriately and is missing data
17:39 * oleonard wonders why we still have itemtype-level "not for loan" settings
17:40 oleonard I guess I'm not testing correctly because I was looking at an item with other not for loan limitations
17:40 kidclamp if you have a circ rule set to 0 holds right now when trying to hold the interface says "Too Many Holds" this makes it say "No Holds Allowed"
17:41 kidclamp if holds are specifically disallowed per itemtype I think that alreayd says 'no holds allowed'
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17:45 wizzyrea hi
17:45 oleonard Hi wizzyrea
17:45 wizzyrea howsit
17:45 wizzyrea does anybody have an opinion on "koha-sip --restart only restarts sip if it's running"
17:46 wizzyrea as in, if I taught it to start it on restart even if it's not running, would anyone complain?
17:46 oleonard I would expect it to start it if it weren't running
17:46 wizzyrea ME TOO
17:46 oleonard I mean... the goal is for it to be running, so...
17:46 wizzyrea right?!
17:47 wizzyrea ashimema, ^ thoughts on any of that?
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18:01 ashimema agreed..
18:01 ashimema I'd start it when restart is called if it's not already running
18:02 ashimema DWIM and all that
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19:01 * magnuse pokes his head in
19:02 * oleonard-away ignores magnuse because he has no pizza
19:03 hayley hello!
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19:10 magnuse oleonard: :)
19:10 magnuse hiya hayley
19:13 hayley may the logs show that I have decided (under chris' advice) to be very conservative with this minor point release
19:14 oleonard Can't go wrong with conservative for point releases!
19:14 hayley :)
19:16 magnuse +1
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19:25 ashimema Conservative works 😀
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19:27 rangi morning
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19:28 oleonard Hi rangi
19:29 magnuse kia ora rangi
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19:50 ashimema hi rangi
19:51 ashimema I think my plan to host a more modern irc webclient is a no go :(
19:51 rangi hmm? didn't work?
19:52 ashimema oftc basically block that..  the mibbit thing they host uses webirc (a library they developed) to basically expose irc over a http connection..
19:52 ashimema means irc connections get made at the browser end..
19:53 ashimema I was hoping to in effect host a boucer.. so all connections would have come from that.. but after reading their policies I believe that's blocked..
19:53 ashimema I certainly was seeing some wierd connection issues in my testing which seemed to show that.
19:54 ashimema I also tried out a bridge using matterbridge.. but that doesn't hugely win us much either
19:54 rangi ahh yeah
19:54 ashimema i.e the bridge doesn't support PM's and the bridged messages look a bit bleak on both sides
19:55 rangi right, yeah that's not really workable
19:55 ashimema oh well.. was worth a bit of a try.. I'll write up my findings on a wiki page soon so we don't venture down the same dead ends as i did
19:55 rangi sounds good
19:56 ashimema I'm not really sure how Matrix is doing it to be honest.. I'm sure they must being doing the same sort of bouncer like setup I was looking to host.. maybe they ust have a relationship with oftc
19:56 rangi could well be
19:57 ashimema I'd recomment matrix + riot.. but I've not actually found it all that reliable of late..
19:57 ashimema and not sure it really feels much more modern
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19:58 rangi we may just want/need to set up a rocketchat server and try that out, if it gets more participation from outside our core group, ill begrudgingly move (and if we can get soething like huginn running there to do meetings etc)
19:59 mwr Hey, quick question: I have a library that had it's barcodes imported from a different solution... and the barcodes have spaces in them. Ugh! What a pain. Is there a way to force Koha to handle said barcodes with our without the space? (Auto-remote-whiltespace, or something like that?)
20:00 ashimema I have a server up and running
20:01 caroline mwr, check out the  system preference
20:01 caroline itemBarcodeInputFilter
20:01 ashimema had to get that going to try and the matterbridge
20:04 ashimema
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20:12 mwr Excellent. I will check that out. thanks.
20:14 oleonard rangi will you Hackfest virtually this week?
20:14 rangi perhaps, we are pretty swamped with libraries needing help for the lockdown at the moment maybe tomorrow
20:15 oleonard Understandable
20:17 ashimema indeed
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20:27 tcohen hola
20:27 wahanui what's up, tcohen
20:27 hayley hola!
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20:32 tcohen hola hayley
20:32 tcohen babysittin + market queue done, now work as much as I can .-D
20:33 kathryn hola tcohen :)
20:33 tcohen hola kathryn
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