Time  Nick            Message
07:00 magnuse         \o/
07:00 magnuse         bonjour le hackfest virtuel!
07:02 Nemo_bis        :)
07:12 cait            hello  hackfesters
07:12 cait            :)
07:24 magnuse         homeschooling for me today, so not a lot of action from me, at least not at the beginning of the day
07:25 cait            magnuse: you got all week :)
07:45 reiveune        hello
07:45 wahanui         kia ora, reiveune
07:55 Stefan          Hi. I'm pretty new to koha. we have not yet implemented koha in our library, but are planning on doing it soon.
07:55 cait2           hi Stefan - welcome :)
07:56 cait2           where are you from?
07:56 Stefan          I have a hard time getting all information I want from bug reports in bugzilla. for instance this Bug 13622. it says closed fixed, but how can I see in which version of koha and where can I find documentation how to use the functionality explained in the repot
07:56 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13622 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, CLOSED FIXED, Add option to display datetimes as dates in notices
07:57 Stefan          (I'm from sweden)
07:57 cait2           ah! Germany ;)
07:57 cait2           IRC regulars?
07:57 wahanui         hmmm... IRC regulars is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars
07:59 Stefan          wahanui should I update IRC regulars with info about myself?
07:59 wahanui         wish i knew, stefan
07:59 magnuse         Stefan: if you plan to become a regular ;-)
07:59 sophie_m        hi #koha
07:59 magnuse         wahanui is a bot, sometimes useful, sometimes annoying
08:00 Stefan          we'll see what the future brings then.
08:00 ashimema        Morning
08:02 magnuse         Stefan: the last comments will say what versions a patch is in. the test plan should give an idea about what it does
08:02 alex_a          Bonjour
08:02 wahanui         niihau, alex_a
08:02 Stefan          @magnuse the last comment is "Patches pushed to master.  Thanks Jonathan and Marcel!"
08:02 huginn          Stefan: I suck
08:04 cait2           Stefan: was also meant as a help to look up people
08:04 rocket_bridge   [rocketchat] <ashimema> Ohh.. it works
08:04 cait2           i think (there can be more Stefans) we might have met
08:04 magnuse         Stefan: is that an old bug? i think RMs have gotten increasingly better at being informative ;-)
08:05 Stefan          magnuse looking at the testplan was a great tip. thanks
08:05 ashimema        we have?
08:06 magnuse         rocket++
08:08 magnuse         Stefan: 13622 was pushed to master on 2015-09-16 so you can be sure it is in any recent version
08:08 Stefan          @magnuse thanks
08:08 huginn          Stefan: downloading the Perl source
08:09 rocket_bridge   [rocketchat] <ashimema> Good morning
08:09 magnuse         Stefan: you can drop the @ :)
08:09 magnuse         ashimema: hiya
08:10 * ashimema      finally got around to playing with matterbridge and rocket..
08:10 ashimema        just need to poke rangi with the IP
08:10 Stefan          sorry. but why does your name has a @ and nobody elses?
08:10 ashimema        and tweak some config a bit
08:12 cait2           Stefan: display might depend on the client you use - where do you see the @?
08:12 magnuse         Stefan: i guess i'm kind of an admin in here (can't remember the proper name), maybe your client highlights that with a @?
08:13 Stefan          oh, I see
08:15 cait2           does someone know what the 'eye' is called that you click to see the password you typed in?
08:16 cait2           trying to write up a bug report for a library and not sure how to phrase that
08:18 magnuse         no idea, sorry
08:18 cait2           i have settled on:
08:18 cait2           Bug 24949        - Show password in staff login screen on user's demand
08:18 cait2           for now
08:21 magnuse         how hard would it be to implement 2FA with a one time pincode/password sent out via email/sms? just a thought...
08:23 ashimema        grr
08:23 ashimema        DM's don't work in matterbridge
08:24 cait2           write it up for later
08:24 cait2           comparing
08:25 cait2           so... who is here for the hackfest?
08:25 ashimema        2FA isn't too bad to impliment.. but Auth.pm is painful to work within..
08:26 ashimema        it's the koha end that stopped me in my tracks over xmas when I tried magnuse
08:27 ashimema        cait and cait2
08:27 ashimema        how lucky are we
08:30 cait2           2 laptops, stuck on work things a bit before hard core hackfesting
08:33 ashimema        did you have any more luck than I'm having with rocket.chat and irc magnuse?
08:34 lilipute1h_asu  I didn't got why is there all this fuzz about RocketChat, I mean, IRC is great isn't it? why move?
08:36 ashimema        I know allot of people who would dissagree that 'IRC' is great ;)
08:37 cait2           IRC is just a protocol... dpeends on the client, doesn't it?
08:38 cait2           we also use xmpp, i have both in the same client, not really much difference
08:39 ashimema        I find IRC is a barrier to entry for allot of our customers.
08:39 ashimema        also.. if IRC is so great how come so many big companies have migrated to slack ;)
08:39 ashimema        anywho.
08:39 ashimema        I think I'm going to park this again
08:40 Nemo_bis        I have some thoughts on that but it would be a long tangent https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Slack
08:40 ashimema        a bridge isn't going to give us a better experience in my opinion in my findings to far
08:40 magnuse         in sweden they have a slack channel for koha which is very active with all sorts of people, it looks like the barrier to entry is lower than with irc
08:40 cait2           because of hype? It's not free
08:41 cait2           i think the missing bit is a well working web client
08:41 cait2           that's the barrier at the moment more than the protocol
08:41 ashimema        agreed
08:41 ashimema        it's not the protocol that's an issue..
08:42 ashimema        though I do think that could be enhanced too
08:42 ashimema        but the number of different clients and fragmentation in the ecosystem really is.
08:42 ashimema        for me.. persistence in chat is a massive shortfall in irc
08:42 cait2           I myself never got an invite to any Slack thing - so can't really compare much
08:43 ashimema        you have to host a server yourself to get that
08:43 ashimema        or pay for irccloud
08:43 cait2           hmm
08:43 cait2           we do have this logged.. and i kinda like that i can log off without people keeping talking to me :)
08:43 cait2           but it certainly depends
08:43 ashimema        we don't log PM's
08:44 ashimema        and shouldn't/can't
08:44 ashimema        but I do a fair chunk of communication in PM's and want that history
08:45 jajm            you can tell your irc client to log pm
08:45 cait2           hm i can store that locally, but have stopped doing it
08:45 ashimema        I do
08:45 lilipute1h_asu  ashimema: also I thought #koha was logged somewhere?
08:46 lilipute1h_asu  so, history is not an issue I guess?
08:46 ashimema        #koha is logged
08:47 ashimema        you guys are only strengthening my arguament here ;)
08:47 ashimema        yup.. #koha is logged.. but you have to know that it is and find those logs somewhere..
08:48 ashimema        yes.. you can log things yourself.. but you have to leave a client running to get full logs and you have to find yourself a client that supports it..
08:48 ashimema        those are barriers to new users..
08:48 ashimema        magnuse put it well..
08:48 ashimema        sweden has a strong slack group with lots of interactions.. because slack is easy ;)
08:48 ashimema        irc is not
08:48 ashimema        if you have access to slack.. join the FOLIO group.. see how active that is ;)
08:49 ashimema        I don't want to go slack btw..
08:49 cait2           yeah... if you have access to slack
08:49 cait2           i am still not sure how that works
08:49 ashimema        just wanted to try and move us to a more modern open chat
08:50 cait2           and sweden also has a strong user group that can host/organize things
08:50 cait2           and it's good to experiment
08:50 cait2           my only point is it shoudl really be open to everyone
08:51 cait2           i don't care about the technology really :)
08:51 lilipute1h_asu  cait2: agree... irc is much more frugal, might even run on less than 56k. useful in case of zombie's attack :)
08:52 lilipute1h_asu  (no one use 56k anymore theses days, argument is foolish...)
08:53 lilipute1h_asu  anyone knows a nice cli client for rocketchat?
08:54 davidnind       lilipute1h_asu: the log is here http://irc.koha-community.org/
08:55 ashimema        are you pointing out the lack of a cli client as a major drawback
08:55 jajm            ashimema, it certainly is for me, i'm trying the rocket chat client: it takes ~400M of memory, while my irssi takes 2M :)
08:56 lilipute1h_asu  jajm++
08:56 ashimema        ok, fair enough
08:57 cait2           hi davidnind :)
08:58 davidnind       hi cat2!
08:58 davidnind       hi cait2!
08:58 davidnind       :)
08:59 lilipute1h_asu  using pidgin or hexchat or weechat or whatever irc gui client doesn't seems like a big issue for new users. and there are web clients as well like mibbit
08:59 * ashimema      goes to meetings
09:00 Joubu           cait2: I blacklisted the bz spammer
09:01 cait2           Joubu: there were multiple logins - how did you figure out?
09:01 Joubu           yes, just noticed that
09:18 SoniaB          Hello everybody
09:19 cait2           hi Sonia
09:19 SoniaB          I would be glad to test anything concerning revamped circulation rules during this virual hackest week
09:20 SoniaB          Don't hesitate to ask me if needed
09:21 cait2           SoniaB++
09:21 SoniaB          Hi cait2! Ready for the hackfest from home? Not as good as Marseille...
09:21 cait2           the catering wil certainly lack
09:22 cait2           I am trying to create some Twitter noise about the hackfest https://twitter.com/Caitlin_83/status/1242015869368221697 wanna help? :)
09:24 davidnind       What would you like on kohails or are you going to use the GBSD account?
09:24 davidnind       (Bit slow in starting this week....)
09:25 SoniaB          retweet done :) I will feed it if I have something to add
09:25 cait2           you could already add the circulation editor bit :)
09:25 cait2           get people curious
09:27 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Fix items.cn_sort vs cn_sort <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e6d255b5e50b141caec6aad60f5dd440ba4af02f>
09:27 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 23463: (follow-up 2) Fix timestamp default value <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6c9cc168bae98d70153b1b589d13a7c684cd059f>
09:27 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Use new method Koha::Object->set_or_blank <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a881984413d8a09f59b064c9484f0d59533a923f>
09:27 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Replace new occurrence of AddItem <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8170645f84be2b1f4c8e527258e58117ae2e0593>
09:27 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Fix XSLT.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=34cca6a775abed84c2978b9ebd38bac56ae6a82a>
09:27 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Fix cn_source for new item <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=62852241430b9444acd600498fc51912f36a90e7>
09:27 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Fix IsItemIssued.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a494bb1b49d0ec91b0f4a7edb44f7db6a435205f>
09:27 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Fix tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=974caa4304358423c08b9e2ea784ea83af2d09c1>
09:27 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Fix safe_return return value in deletion tools <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=de9ce93cf284aa32f8c5c527387949ebc79cc4ea>
09:27 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 23463: (follow-up) Fix timestamp default value <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=57eb6e42265a830aabb01f5de0bcab49bd090356>
09:27 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Move DelItem.t and Items_DelItemCheck.t tests to a Koha/Item.t subtest <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=794e8f992eee39641ec83beb83c140c6f7df4814>
09:27 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Fix timestamp default value <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f70a738bca1782e7a90ef217473c2d50e335e3e4>
09:27 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 23463: (follow-up) Remove DelItemCheck and ItemSafeToDelete <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cc6f25fec44273ed1407c910544af04c4700817e>
09:27 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 23463: cn_sort needs to be updated if cn_source changed <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=18555f244ad0bbb0526e58cb26993161d9fd07e0>
09:27 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Replace recently added occurrences <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f76a75a3d3b8e6c99d5dcd687580778364571c14>
09:27 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 23463: build cn_sort only if needed <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=22f8584eadd2ace33f296f9cee1409ed6608e12b>
09:27 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Fix items.cn_source vs cn_source <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=befc3f19f7d28dd3e92f719274d7e277e1a15fff>
09:27 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 23463: update permanent_location if location has been updated <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fce29fb77d61ff7c006874b22ae7a00adb80cf34>
09:27 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Fix AutomaticItemModificationByAge.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bef6c36156a3e732c294d096169eb58682912e6b>
09:27 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Getting less item-level_itypes warnings (?) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eeaf0b19e08e96293be1bf663015e7138d80e69c>
09:29 * cait2         hopes she did not break Jenkins
09:29 davidnind       Looks like all the bugs are fixed, we can all go home now!
09:30 davidnind       :-D
09:33 SoniaB          cait2: Which is the best BZ to begin with concerning the circulation rules? 15522?
09:33 cait2           nice try :)
09:34 cait2           Joubu: can you help?
09:34 cait2           looking at the graph, sec SoniaB, but Joubu is the expert
09:35 cait2           it looks like youg ot the right bug, dependences appear resolved
09:35 ashimema        I think bug 15522 is the right place
09:35 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15522 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , New interface for revamped circulation rules
09:36 ashimema        looks like kidclamp was demoing it to their partners
09:43 Joubu           SoniaB: Bonjour :) There is only one left! bug 15522
09:43 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15522 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , New interface for revamped circulation rules
09:54 cait2           Joubu: is this one sandbox testable?
09:55 cait2           we could put it on the Trello and maybe advertisse #hfk20
09:56 Joubu           it should be testable on a sandbox, yes
09:56 Joubu           actually I am waiting for kidclamp to give us some feedback on it. But always good to have more!
09:58 cait2           Joubu: added to trello
09:59 cait2           ashimema: I found a bunch of old bugs around transfers and holds that probably would benefit from just being retested
09:59 cait2           was wondering how far you are with the transfer work and if it would be a good idea to publish that list somewhere?
10:00 ashimema        :)
10:00 ashimema        I just pushed a bunch of it :)
10:00 ashimema        and am working on the next piece at the moment.
10:01 ashimema        would be good to have that list of old transfers bugs.. be nice to test those
10:01 ashimema        I've been adding lots of tests around the transfers code as a first step before refactoring a bunch of it.
10:03 koha-jenkins    Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #195: UNSTABLE in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/195/
10:04 cait2           ok, so I will go ahead with t a little later!
10:05 koha-jenkins    Project Koha_Master_D8 build #768: UNSTABLE in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/768/
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10:33 ashimema        Joubu... I'm on the case for those failures
10:34 Joubu           I am too
10:35 Joubu           ashimema: there are 2 follow-ups on 23463
10:35 ashimema        ok..
10:35 ashimema        I've already got a followup for the Ill one
10:35 Joubu           the selenium failure does not come from 23463
10:35 Joubu           ashimema: perfect, that was my next one :)
10:35 ashimema        okies
10:36 ashimema        excellent
10:36 wahanui         darn tootin' it is.
10:36 ashimema        I'll grab your two now
10:37 Joubu           and a 3rd one
10:37 Joubu           attached now
10:37 Joubu           that will fix all but the selenium one, if you have the ILL one
10:38 ashimema        aha..
10:38 ashimema        thanks
10:38 koha-jenkins    Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1227: UNSTABLE in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1227/
10:39 Joubu           ashimema: about the selenium failure, did you push something modifying the dateaccesionned framework plugin?
10:39 ashimema        hmm..
10:39 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Fix wrong variable name <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=243a5395de9be3e3971ae8171a8b2b3aa79e74bb>
10:39 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Fix CourseReserves/CourseItems.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=313b47c94e6397fc0ad0d8c0022941cd1cc3c476>
10:39 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 23463: (RM follow-up) Add try block around Illrequest item creation <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2edd08b4d820a9cbecb548c7e238b1322acbca9e>
10:39 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Replace a new occurrence of ModItem <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9b9b641ac86a568fc446fe9890dd1a68d90f67b8>
10:39 ashimema        I don't believe so..
10:39 ashimema        I pushed just 23463 since the last all green Jenkins
10:40 ashimema        I had a feeling there might be the odd little test failure so thought it would be easiest to push on it's own..
10:40 ashimema        next up will the the attributes but
10:40 ashimema        * next up will the the attributes bug
10:51 koha-jenkins    Project Koha_Master_D10 build #141: UNSTABLE in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/141/
11:03 SoniaB          I tried to set a sandbox with the bywatersolutions system, but the staff and opac buttons lead to the setting page... did I miss something? http://sb1.sandboxes.bywatersolutions.com/
11:04 ashimema        khall around yet?
11:06 cait2           SoniaB: had that happen a while ago too - probably a problem on the sandbox system
11:06 cait2           going for a walk (lunch break) bbiab
11:13 koha-jenkins    Project Koha_Master_U18 build #691: UNSTABLE in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/691/
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11:45 * kidclamp      waves
11:49 * cait2         waves back
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11:54 oleonard        Hi #koha
11:55 kidclamp        hello oleonard
11:56 oleonard        Did I get here too late for the international assortment of snacks?
11:56 * kidclamp      hides many wrappers
11:57 kidclamp        *chews* what snacks? *chews*
11:57 cait2           oleonard: you are a little mean... now I remember...
11:57 cait2           also missing catered lunch right now
11:58 oleonard        Okay now I'm very sad, time to distract myself with bugs
12:01 * oleonard      wonders why his Mac doesn't import koha-testing-docker's bash_aliases file
12:06 kidclamp        oleonard: try removing the line breaks from the aliases - i think when we were testing we found that made things grump
12:07 koha-jenkins    Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #196: STILL UNSTABLE in 53 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/196/
12:08 oleonard        kidclamp++
12:08 oleonard        Thanks!
12:08 * oleonard      offers a selection of powerful foreign licorice as payment
12:10 ashimema        bug 24820 would be a nice easy SO for someone
12:10 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24820 major, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , The cashup workflow should use the static 'date' field rather than the transient 'timestamp' field in accountlines
12:10 ashimema        jajm.. are you continueing on QAing the authorized balues translation bug?
12:11 koha-jenkins    Project Koha_Master_D10 build #142: STILL UNSTABLE in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/142/
12:14 Joubu           ashimema: added a follow-up for the selenium test. I will open a bug report. Let me know if the commit description is meaningful
12:15 ashimema        Thanks :)
12:16 jajm            ashimema, i cannot really put the QA stamp on it but i can try to signoff the latest patch
12:17 ashimema        ta
12:23 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 23463: Fix selenium tests (highlight a bug in date management) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=757ca57bfdbd4346b90293429e658d239b8d0102>
12:24 * oleonard      found the open source app Joplin the other day and is liking it a lot as an Evernote replacement
12:24 oleonard        A random thought for you all.
12:25 ashimema        I use Joplin
12:25 ashimema        it's nice
12:27 koha-jenkins    Project Koha_Master_U18 build #692: STILL UNSTABLE in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/692/
12:27 oleonard        ashimema: Do you use a FOSS Dropbox replacement too?
12:34 cait            we use owncloud / nexcloud around here
12:36 cait            hm was going to use framapad for a pad - but they have closed down for now (overloaded) - is Joplin an alternative?
12:38 cait            hm found an old one - just can't open new, will reuse it
12:38 oleonard        I use ownCloud and I don't know how it relates to Nextcloud... forks?
12:39 cait            yes
12:39 * oleonard      can't remember if he deliberately chose one over the other or just grabbed ownCloud
12:39 cait            our university here offers nextcloud, but I think my personal one is still owncload
12:39 cait            cloud
12:40 * oleonard      imagines the open source ownToad, where you get your own toad.
12:41 oleonard        Bug 24953
12:41 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24953 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Minor corrections to hold ratios report sidebar
12:42 cait            oleonard++ :)
12:44 ashimema        I don't use Dropbox much these days so haven't really needed to find a replacement yet.
12:44 marcelr         hi #koha
12:44 oleonard        Hi marcelr
12:44 ashimema        I keep getting tempted to host my own little NextCloud (OwnCloud is still developed but all the original developers moved to NextCloud I believe)
12:44 marcelr         thx bgkriegel++
12:45 marcelr         hi oleonard ashimema
12:45 ashimema        hi
12:46 marcelr         khall_++
12:48 cait            does this work for you? https://annuel2.framapad.org/p/9fht-koha-projects?lang=en
12:49 ashimema        yup
12:51 oleonard        Wow, splitter's working today!
12:51 ashimema        :)
12:51 cait            don't scare it
12:52 cait            pad is open for editing now - type your hearts out if you want :)
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13:10 nlegrand        hey #koha
13:11 cait            Added some testing tasks to the Trello
13:12 koha-jenkins    Yippee, build fixed!
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13:16 koha-jenkins    Yippee, build fixed!
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13:25 tuxayo[m]1      hi #koha o/
13:25 oleonard        Hi tuxayo[m]1
13:27 tuxayo[m]1      cait:
13:27 tuxayo[m]1      «hm was going to use framapad for a pad - but they have closed down for now (overloaded) - is Joplin an alternative?»
13:27 tuxayo[m]1      They are overloaded
13:27 tuxayo[m]1      But many other hosters exists
13:27 tuxayo[m]1      (the CHATONS collective https://chatons.org/ )
13:27 tuxayo[m]1      We made a list of public etherpad instance
13:28 tuxayo[m]1      https://wiki.chatons.org/doku.php/la_redaction_collaborative_avec_etherpad
13:28 cait            tuxayo[m] thx, i worked around it be repurposing one I already had
13:28 cait            they don't allow new, but you can use old ones
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13:37 tuxayo[m]1      cait: If there are lags, we should move on. That show that they are short on resources.
13:37 tuxayo[m]1      One reason is because the french ministry of education is not willing/capable of providing collaboration tools. (when they can spend millions on non-libre software...)
13:37 tuxayo[m]1      So I i understand correctly they said on their official recommendations to school and million of pupils to (among ) simply use the tools of Framasoft.
13:37 tuxayo[m]1      Who then were furious. It's kinda like if there was a disruption of the canteens and the ministry directed the personnel and pupil to the soup kitchens
13:39 tuxayo[m]1      cait: actually if we go there: https://framapad.org/en/
13:39 tuxayo[m]1      We can create a new pad. They set up some kind of load balancer would will redirect to another another Chaton.
13:40 cait            yeah i translated the note on the  start page
13:40 cait            so far it seems to work well, no lags or issues
13:40 cait            and i can understand why they weren't amused
13:40 Nemo_bis        There are dozens of alternative etherpad instances to use
13:41 Nemo_bis        (linked from the footer, "one instance among others")
13:45 koha-jenkins    Yippee, build fixed!
13:45 wahanui         Congratulations!
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13:49 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Fix merge_with behavior <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9ce0dd6b9225328e49098b69201767f240b47270>
13:50 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Handle non existent attribute when importing patrons <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e8c6fcb8a0aff24fae155c1260c37b007da3da4a>
13:50 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Fix patron modification approval <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ea5e9f25e9cbeae9e12dd05e17175ae3203a92b2>
13:50 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Do not explode if attribute does not have a valid av <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=994ea386c389886ced62dc42bc10d0325557876c>
13:50 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Fix creation of new patron with attributes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fc430529c1ea686d3727ce786a619441f1763a0a>
13:50 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Fix POD <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8bcfd1c21177d98b0c7b839092befaa78993baeb>
13:50 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Fix add/edit for checkboxes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4bad6ec25feceb9a1a7701b5f7ac113f9a1ffa1b>
13:50 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Fix Patrons/Import.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6bb806ddf41c8263758948bf82dd0a41dda406b6>
13:50 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Use search_with_library_limits for attribute types <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7e1be8d385f681f83112e8dd445dd519cb6b6124>
13:50 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Fix Auth_with_ldap.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=569e4080f10bdaf8dc5250cee0a168c31b066909>
13:50 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 20443: (follow-up) Fix t/db_dependent/Koha/Patrons.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e9622786f72b61ed884b554e8dff53c09842867>
13:50 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 20443: (follow-up) Move GetBorrowerAttributes to Koha::Patron - ILSDI <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e3cc65156ecf5bc8d78edb8c741ab5afb2ffdb67>
13:50 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Remove extended_attributes_code_value_arrayref AND C4::Members::Attributes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e37bfe3e4b395ef71a54c65226829248847cf1ce>
13:50 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Remove extended_attributes_merge <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bffb16eb70c4cd08a8127b38d4672073dff37b99>
13:50 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Remove SearchIdMatchingAttribute - prove we are not cheating <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4428d086575cf2df94261f33b89b37150b4215f9>
13:50 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Remove C4::Members::AttributeTypes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=37e634bb5b99ab4bcdba45062527ad6bfe439f47>
13:50 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Remove num_patron <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=837c9cdb21d695604879e7eb47b96234132012b8>
13:50 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Move C4::Members::AttributeTypes::GetAttributeTypes to Koha::Patron::Attri... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f1d210019b1f87465a8bad33f57ba6d20bec65f9>
13:50 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Remove SearchIdMatchingAttribute <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=836e950d25148ca04ed0561c487772e3b0f7f8ee>
13:50 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Remove CheckUniqueness <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5dd44a8f088c5c8537d0e0046a34d57655f2b7fd>
13:53 ashimema        That's the next big scary one pushed...
13:54 * ashimema      crosses fingers and hopes for the best
13:54 cait2           but really glad to see them move an dgo in
13:54 cait2           fingers crossed as well!
13:57 * oleonard      will bbl
14:00 ashimema        bug 24951 is another trivial signoff for someone out there.. adding ID's is nice
14:00 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24951 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Payout modal confirm button should have an ID
14:02 tuxayo[m]1      Question about koha-testing-docker: is it necessary to run 'kd' to deleted the containers after doing a "docker-compose pull" ?
14:05 kidclamp        tcohen khall_  ^
14:05 tcohen          yes
14:06 tcohen          kd basically cleans the container's volumes
14:06 tcohen          and networks
14:06 tuxayo[m]1      tcohen++
14:06 tuxayo[m]1      Then my test failure should be false positives, thanks :)
14:07 tcohen          yeah, koha-misc4dev will find there's data on the DB
14:07 tcohen          and probably fail to reset
14:09 koha-jenkins    Yippee, build fixed!
14:09 wahanui         Congratulations!
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14:16 ashimema        :)
14:19 cait2           yay :)
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14:23 kohaputti       kidclamp, ashimema: any chance bug 15522 will get to 20.05 release? Or will it be the most certainly 20.11?
14:23 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15522 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , New interface for revamped circulation rules
14:24 ashimema        If it's PQA'd by the end of this week most certainly there's a chance
14:24 ashimema        this week is the final window for bugs like that one this cycle though
14:24 kidclamp        I don't think it is quite ready for production
14:25 ashimema        how far off is it kidclamp.. i've not looked at it at all yet.. but know people are testing it like mad at the moment
14:26 kohaputti       if it would get SO'd by wednesday I *juuust* might be able to PQA it by friday
14:26 Joubu           like mad?
14:26 kidclamp        if testing it is important to load a real library's data. It does seem to work well on the small scale, but with a large data set it is laggy and still very wide. i.e. it doesn't solve the problems we hoped it would
14:27 kohaputti       sounds like not ready for production then, and I would wait for 20.11
14:27 cait2           but would be good to get feedback now
14:27 cait2           to see what kind of changes we need to make
14:27 kidclamp        this was work we sponsored and we don't think it is reayd, that's why I put it in discussion
14:28 kidclamp        we are going to demo it to sponsors for feedback
14:28 Joubu           kidclamp: maybe something like bug 24670 needs to be applied to 15522
14:28 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24670 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Circulation and fine rules page has performance issues since issuingrules change
14:28 Joubu           Is performance the only problematic issue?
14:29 ashimema        sounds like the UI isn't there yet either
14:29 kidclamp        it offers potential for improvement, we need librarian/sponsor opinion
14:29 kidclamp        but 20.05 would be a bit fast
14:30 ashimema        okies
14:38 Joubu           kidclamp: with 15522 rules are all retrieved at once already, so the slowness comes from the react part I guess
14:38 SoniaB          kidclamp: i'd like to test 15522 because it's just a nightmare for us to change circulation rules in my library.
14:38 Joubu           apply the patches locally
14:39 Joubu           then, `yarn install;yarn build`
14:39 SoniaB          I'm gonna ask to one of my colleague but I don't have all the access I need to do it from home with our data
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15:13 * cait          thinks we need a hackfest song
15:14 cait            like a title melody to play each day...
15:15 caroline        I was watching a documentary on Ghostbesters yesterday...
15:15 caroline        Who you ganna call?
15:15 Joubu           khall: bug 22844 - there is only 1 patch attached, was it expected?
15:15 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22844 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Simplify the process of selecting database columns for system preferences
15:16 Joubu           I think you forgot to attached the follow-ups with your QA stamp
15:18 cait            caroline: i like the suggestion :)
15:20 khall           Joubu no, something must've gone wrong with my attaching the rest of the patches :\
15:20 khall           I'll take a look
15:21 cait            lol
15:21 cait            i just typed git so <bugnumber> ... big mistake
15:22 cait            khall: pqa on bug 21443 - thx for the follow-up - hope it made sense to you
15:22 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21443 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add ability to exclude holidays when calculating rentals fees by time period
15:22 khall           ty!
15:24 cait            oh no oleonard
15:24 cait            bug 24874 is not broken for me :( coudl someone else check?
15:24 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24874 major, P3, ---, mtj, Needs Signoff , Printing is broken on opac-results.pl page
15:25 cait            @later tell oleonard could you have a look on bug 24874 please?
15:25 huginn          cait: The operation succeeded.
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15:28 Joubu           cait: did you test on 19.11?
15:28 cait            lucas said he saw it on master
15:28 cait            so no, tested with master
15:29 cait            https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24874#c14
15:29 huginn          Bug 24874: major, P3, ---, mtj, Needs Signoff , Printing is broken on opac-results.pl page
15:29 Joubu           Mason created it for 19.11 first
15:30 lukeG           i do see it in master and 19.11 on FF 74
15:30 lukeG           on MacOS
15:31 cait            for me on maser it looks nice before and has extrra whitespace with the patch
15:31 lukeG           also I see it in Chrome (v80.0.3987.149)
15:31 cait            not sure if i have covers active
15:31 lukeG           no custom CSS
15:31 cait            I do want it fixed, I am just wondering if we are missing a key point
15:32 Joubu           broken on master for me as well
15:32 cait            hmmm
15:32 cait            do you have covers?
15:32 lukeG           no covers
15:33 Joubu           patch fixes it
15:34 Joubu           I am after a reset_all, so fres
15:34 Joubu           fresh DB
15:35 cait            [off] http://librarygeekgirl.de/pics/Selection_038.png my before and after
15:36 Joubu           weird
15:36 cait            agreed
15:36 cait            oleonard: ping? :)
15:36 oleonard        Back
15:37 cait            I was missing you...
15:37 cait            we are talking about the bug i left you a later for
15:38 lukeG           cait: do you have IDreamLibraries prefs to 'add' or 'dont add'?
15:38 cait            Joubu: yours looks really bad
15:39 Joubu           On master it is really bad, yes
15:39 lukeG           I notice a difference if I toggle those sys prefs
15:39 cait            lukeG: hah... i might ont have them as i just wrote a patch to remove them
15:39 cait            that oculd explain
15:40 lukeG           if I put them to 'add' print looks good, but when they are set to 'dont add' everything looks weird
15:40 cait            strange, because removing them shoudl equal off ... i would have gussed
15:41 cait            but form removing them... i think the issue might be enhanced content related then
15:44 * oleonard      had to relinquish his computer for someone else's Zoom meeting
15:44 cait            oh
15:44 cait            on the phone?
15:45 oleonard        I'm back on, getting stuff fired up again
15:45 oleonard        but also ordering lunch :)
15:45 cait            what's for lunch?
15:46 reiveune        bye
15:48 Joubu           ashimema: follow-up on 20443
15:48 ashimema        tanks Joubu
15:49 oleonard        cait: Chicken salads, chicken sandwiches (and beans & rice for the non-meat-eater)
15:49 cait            sounds good
15:50 corilynn        mmmm chicken salad
15:50 cait            with the restaurants being force-closed here some more offer delivery, but it's too hard for a single person to get to the min amount
15:50 corilynn        I had one yesterday, on a croissant
15:51 oleonard        We're doing carry-out, but with 5 people at home the minimum is not hard to hit :|
15:51 corilynn        we did BBQ takeout on Saturday
15:51 oleonard        corilynn: We tried that but our BBQ place is closed for the duration :(
15:51 oleonard        cait: With bug 24874 we're talking about 19.11.x specifically?
15:51 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24874 major, P3, ---, mtj, Needs Signoff , Printing is broken on opac-results.pl page
15:52 cait            oleonard: weren't you vegan? :)
15:52 corilynn        We sent the kids (18) to get it up by the airport.. 30 miles
15:52 cait            oleonard: and master, it's a bit mixed up
15:52 oleonard        cait: I try to be, when it's not cheese lunch day ;)
15:52 cait            getting on a bus to pick up food seems counter intutitive in the current situation :) so i guess I will stick with ohme cooked
15:52 oleonard        So beans & rice for me. Happily the BBQ place offers vegan menu choices
15:53 cait            ah :)
15:53 corilynn        ya'll are making me hungry
15:54 cait            for the CSS patch, I just want to make sure we don't fix one caase and it bites us on another combination of settings (if possible)
15:54 huginn          News from kohagit: Bug 20443: Add missing use statement <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=acf7ec2d872b3ac55259cf114b32bfc4c9163037>
16:04 tuxayo[m]1      Does anyone else got a failure on the test t/db_dependent/Acquisition/GetBasketAsCSV.t ?
16:04 tuxayo[m]1      https://copycat.drycat.fr/?87d310ce883914af#HcRm15YAA9cD1xdFa8TAip2WFsjmgNzEcfTPmT8c3J5Y
16:13 ashimema        I just pushed a fix for that
16:14 ashimema        see the above huginn ;)
16:24 Joubu           ashimema, kidclamp, tcohen: Opinions needed on the patch I attached on bug 23463 comment 158 - I am stuck there
16:24 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23463 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , Move C4::Items CRUD subroutines to Koha::Item
16:26 ashimema        the final followup (follow-up 3) right?
16:27 Joubu           yes
16:27 Joubu           ashimema: not sure you should push it without feedback from Tomas
16:27 Joubu           I PMed him, but he did not answer yet
16:27 Joubu           or we will end up with a "follow-up 21" patch :)
16:28 koha-jenkins    Yippee, build fixed!
16:28 wahanui         Congratulations!
16:28 koha-jenkins    Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1231: FIXED in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1231/
16:28 Joubu           ashimema: the idea is to understand what's going on, start a mysql8 container, then prove Item.t and Object.t
16:28 Joubu           if you remove one of those line, at least one test will fail
16:29 Joubu           not sure which one is wrong: the test, the code or both? :)
16:29 Joubu           see you tomorrow!
16:31 ashimema        is this not the mysql5.5 issue where you cannot have two timestamp columns with not nulls?
16:31 ashimema        feels like it.
16:31 ashimema        I want to get rid of 5.5 support.. this is one of the many reasons
16:40 koha-jenkins    Yippee, build fixed!
16:40 wahanui         Congratulations!
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16:52 koha-jenkins    Yippee, build fixed!
16:52 wahanui         Congratulations!
16:52 koha-jenkins    Project Koha_Master_U18 build #695: FIXED in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/695/
16:56 oleonard        Anyone else find that koha-testing-docker won't import a mysql dump if there is data in biblioimages or creator_images?
16:56 oleonard        Never had that problem when kohadevbox was working
16:59 ashimema        hmm
16:59 ashimema        I think a recent addition added a timestamp field to that table
16:59 ashimema        not sure what it would affect anything though
16:59 oleonard        No big deal, just curious
16:59 * oleonard      can easily jettison biblioimages
17:01 koha-jenkins    Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #224: STILL UNSTABLE in 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/224/
17:03 tuxayo[m]1      ashimema:
17:03 tuxayo[m]1      > I just pushed a fix for that
17:03 tuxayo[m]1      :D
17:03 * ashimema      goes for dinner
17:04 ashimema        back in a bit #koha
17:05 oleonard        cait still around?
17:14 koha-jenkins    Yippee, build fixed!
17:14 wahanui         Congratulations!
17:14 koha-jenkins    Project Koha_Master_D8 build #772: FIXED in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/772/
17:37 oleonard        kidclamp around?
17:37 * kidclamp      rolls
17:38 oleonard        Hey, I'm trying to test Bug 16787 and I'm not sure I'm looking for the right hing
17:38 huginn          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16787 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Needs Signoff , 'Too many holds' message appears inappropriately and is missing data
17:39 * oleonard      wonders why we still have itemtype-level "not for loan" settings
17:40 oleonard        I guess I'm not testing correctly because I was looking at an item with other not for loan limitations
17:40 kidclamp        if you have a circ rule set to 0 holds right now when trying to hold the interface says "Too Many Holds" this makes it say "No Holds Allowed"
17:41 kidclamp        if holds are specifically disallowed per itemtype I think that alreayd says 'no holds allowed'
17:45 wizzyrea        hi
17:45 oleonard        Hi wizzyrea
17:45 wizzyrea        howsit
17:45 wizzyrea        does anybody have an opinion on "koha-sip --restart only restarts sip if it's running"
17:46 wizzyrea        as in, if I taught it to start it on restart even if it's not running, would anyone complain?
17:46 oleonard        I would expect it to start it if it weren't running
17:46 wizzyrea        ME TOO
17:46 oleonard        I mean... the goal is for it to be running, so...
17:46 wizzyrea        right?!
17:47 wizzyrea        ashimema, ^ thoughts on any of that?
17:48 koha-jenkins    Yippee, build fixed!
17:48 wahanui         Congratulations!
17:48 koha-jenkins    Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #199: FIXED in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/199/
18:01 ashimema        agreed..
18:01 ashimema        I'd start it when restart is called if it's not already running
18:02 ashimema        DWIM and all that
19:01 * magnuse       pokes his head in
19:02 * oleonard-away ignores magnuse because he has no pizza
19:03 hayley          hello!
19:10 magnuse         oleonard: :)
19:10 magnuse         hiya hayley
19:13 hayley          may the logs show that I have decided (under chris' advice) to be very conservative with this minor point release
19:14 oleonard        Can't go wrong with conservative for point releases!
19:14 hayley          :)
19:16 magnuse         +1
19:25 ashimema        Conservative works 😀
19:27 rangi           morning
19:28 oleonard        Hi rangi
19:29 magnuse         kia ora rangi
19:50 ashimema        hi rangi
19:51 ashimema        I think my plan to host a more modern irc webclient is a no go :(
19:51 rangi           hmm? didn't work?
19:52 ashimema        oftc basically block that..  the mibbit thing they host uses webirc (a socket.io library they developed) to basically expose irc over a http connection..
19:52 ashimema        means irc connections get made at the browser end..
19:53 ashimema        I was hoping to in effect host a boucer.. so all connections would have come from that.. but after reading their policies I believe that's blocked..
19:53 ashimema        I certainly was seeing some wierd connection issues in my testing which seemed to show that.
19:54 ashimema        I also tried out a rocket.chat bridge using matterbridge.. but that doesn't hugely win us much either
19:54 rangi           ahh yeah
19:54 ashimema        i.e the bridge doesn't support PM's and the bridged messages look a bit bleak on both sides
19:55 rangi           right, yeah that's not really workable
19:55 ashimema        oh well.. was worth a bit of a try.. I'll write up my findings on a wiki page soon so we don't venture down the same dead ends as i did
19:55 rangi           sounds good
19:56 ashimema        I'm not really sure how Matrix is doing it to be honest.. I'm sure they must being doing the same sort of bouncer like setup I was looking to host.. maybe they ust have a relationship with oftc
19:56 rangi           could well be
19:57 ashimema        I'd recomment matrix + riot.. but I've not actually found it all that reliable of late..
19:57 ashimema        and not sure it really feels much more modern
19:58 rangi           we may just want/need to set up a rocketchat server and try that out, if it gets more participation from outside our core group, ill begrudgingly move (and if we can get soething like huginn running there to do meetings etc)
19:59 mwr             Hey, quick question: I have a library that had it's barcodes imported from a different solution... and the barcodes have spaces in them. Ugh! What a pain. Is there a way to force Koha to handle said barcodes with our without the space? (Auto-remote-whiltespace, or something like that?)
20:00 ashimema        I have a rocket.chat server up and running
20:01 caroline        mwr, check out the  system preference
20:01 caroline        itemBarcodeInputFilter
20:01 ashimema        had to get that going to try and the matterbridge
20:04 ashimema        134.122.110.63
20:12 mwr             Excellent. I will check that out. thanks.
20:14 oleonard        rangi will you Hackfest virtually this week?
20:14 rangi           perhaps, we are pretty swamped with libraries needing help for the lockdown at the moment maybe tomorrow
20:15 oleonard        Understandable
20:17 ashimema        indeed
20:27 tcohen          hola
20:27 wahanui         what's up, tcohen
20:27 hayley          hola!
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20:32 tcohen          babysittin + market queue done, now work as much as I can .-D
20:33 kathryn         hola tcohen :)
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