IRC log for #koha, 2020-02-12

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00:16 hayley hello, has anyone had issues with missing dependency Net::OpenStack::Swift upgrading from 18.05 to 19.11?
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02:25 mtj kia ora hayley, perhaps you are looking at a koha with bug 19795 applied?
02:25 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=19795 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Allow files to be uploaded and stored in object storage (Swift and S3)
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03:29 wizzyrea 100% it'll be because of that patch hayley :)
03:29 wizzyrea (I'm betting you're doing something with Toi Whakaari!)
03:30 alexbuckley yep it is for Toi Whakaari
03:32 alexbuckley thanks mtj and wizzyrea!
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07:25 magnuse ere++
07:25 * magnuse waves
07:25 * ere For anyone interested in holdings, it's bug 20447. It also needs bug 20690 which I'd like to get moving regardless.
07:25 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20447 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ere.maijala, Signed Off , Add support for MARC holdings records
07:26 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20690 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, CLOSED FIXED, Update two-column templates with Bootstrap grid: Acquisitions part 4
07:26 ere hey magnuse!
07:26 wahanui magnuse is really waiting for the self check vendor to tell me if they can send 99 less often
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07:28 reiveune hello
07:28 wahanui kia ora, reiveune
07:28 magnuse bonjour reiveune
07:28 reiveune salut magnuse
07:30 ashimema[m] mtj++
07:30 ashimema[m] ere++
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07:51 alex_a Bonjour
07:55 ere ashimema[m]: Thanks with 22522, I'm so happy about finally having a chance to do something about it :)
07:57 ashimema[m] thankyou for all the hard work.. it's been on my todo list for ages
07:57 ashimema[m] now we just need to orchestrate a security release and update people on some of the packaging changes that they need to be aware of.
08:01 ere ashimema[m]++
08:01 ere ashimema[m] Thanks for your hard work too!
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09:22 Null404 hello
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09:23 Null404 I have a question: how to edit all records by author of the book ?
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09:27 ashimema[m] hmmm.. someone keeps deleteing all the sandboxes on the ptfs-e system
09:28 ashimema[m] afraid I can't help there Null404
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09:29 paxed i think you could search for the author, add the records to a basket, and batch edit those? not sure it's possible, tho
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09:54 kohaputti ashimema[m], I have noticed them being deleted too, so it is not a system problem but a human problem? Or maybe there is some search engine bot that follows all the links, including delete button.
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10:06 magnuse is "Limit to currently available items" working for y'all? bug 11677 claims to have fixed it in 19.11, 19.05.04 and 18.11.10, but it's not working for me on 19.05.07...
10:06 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11677 major, P5 - low, ---, nick, RESOLVED FIXED, Limit to Only items currently available for loan or reference not working
10:09 magnuse ah, looks like i might have missed an update of biblios/etc/bib1.att during an upgrade. never mind.
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10:46 ere I added an alternative, simplified plugin GitGub release guide for e.g. REST plugins: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]se_simple_plugins
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12:37 oleonard Hi all
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13:32 oleonard Hi lisettelatah
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13:38 paul_p hello all
13:38 paul_p !seen magnuse
13:38 AnnaBoten magnuse was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 28 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <magnuse> ah, looks like i might have missed an update of biblios/etc/bib1.att during an upgrade. never mind.
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13:45 * oleonard waves to paul_p
13:45 paul_p hello oleonard ! g'morning
13:45 oleonard And good afternoon to you
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14:17 caroline_catlady good morning everyone!
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14:44 jim hello
14:44 oleonard Hi jim
14:44 jim i am new to koha
14:44 jim I wonder if you have access to WorldCat
14:45 oleonard What do you mean?
14:45 jim Do you know Z39 servers
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14:46 jim which we can use for Koha
14:46 oleonard jim: Are you asking whether  WorldCat can be accessed by Koha via Z39.50?
14:46 ashimema[m] bug 23975 might like testing if anyone is interested ;)
14:46 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=23975 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add ability to search and install plugins from GitHub
14:46 jim yes
14:47 oleonard jim: As long as the Z39.50 server is public and you have the information then Koha can use it.
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14:48 oleonard jim: I assume Z39.50 access to WorldCat is a paid service but I don't know for sure.
14:48 oleonard z39.50 directory:
14:48 jim ok
14:49 jim anybody else has tried it
14:49 wizzyrea yes, heaps of people use worldcat
14:49 wizzyrea it's a paid service
14:49 wizzyrea when you subscribe, they'll give you the info you need
14:50 jim Oww
14:51 jim any other free server which is good like that we can use in Indian context
14:51 wizzyrea Library of Congress
14:52 ashimema[m] nice one Joubu and jajm for the cpanfile work!
14:52 ashimema[m] :)
14:52 jim Besides LOC and british Library
14:53 wizzyrea Pass, unsure.
14:53 jim ok no problem thanks for info
14:54 oleonard jim did you see the link I pasted above?
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15:13 jim yes
15:14 jim isaw the link
15:15 jim i tried using the access they gave but it doesn't work
15:16 caroline_catlady yeah, that list is not always up-to-date, but it's the best there is
15:16 caroline_catlady Alternatively, you can contact the library directly and ask their z39.50 information
15:16 caroline_catlady Usually, if they know it, they will happily give it to you
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15:17 jim caroline I sent an email but not got reply yet so was wondering
15:18 jim i also wish to know how do one use image to books
15:19 oleonard Have you seen the manual?
15:20 jim Oww thanks for this link I will go through it
15:22 caroline_catlady jim in the manual, search for Enhanced Content
15:23 caroline_catlady[…]#enhanced-content
15:23 caroline_catlady There are tons of options for covers
15:24 jim ok great thanks
15:25 jim has anyone tried this OCLC Connexion Gateway
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16:07 caroline_catlady oleonard: what did you name your cat?
16:08 oleonard Boba
16:08 caroline_catlady after boba fett?
16:09 oleonard After boba tea
16:09 oleonard (but as a Star Wars fan the Boba Fett connection isn't unwelcome)
16:10 caroline_catlady isn't it babo tea though?
16:10 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19014: (QA follow-up) Update test for AddReserve change <[…]3d74730e5bc984868>
16:10 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19014: on_reserve blocks auto_renew <[…]ad75d2530cb0d2d3d>
16:10 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19014: Return auto_too_soon before on_reserve <[…]163ca8d8e82a9d4f5>
16:10 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24340: allow koha-sip --disable inst <[…]ec3458df32ab8b0dd>
16:10 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19014: Unit tests <[…]addf8553f111fc6b5>
16:11 oleonard caroline_catlady:
16:12 caroline_catlady ok! I looked for Boba tea and google sent me to a store called babo tea, hehe!
16:12 ashimema[m] I see splitter is down again :(
16:13 caroline_catlady I like how it gives me a bubble tea shop and then vet clinics...
16:13 caroline_catlady ah google, you know too much about me
16:14 oleonard ashimema[m]: Do we now have a patched version or are we still depending on reboots?
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16:14 ashimema[m] is there any documentation anywhere about adding perl dependancies to koha?
16:14 ashimema[m] depending on reboots oleonard
16:14 oleonard :(
16:15 * ashimema[m] can't find any such documentation..
16:15 ashimema[m] it'll need updating for bug 19735
16:15 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=19735 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Passed QA , Move Perl deps definitions into a cpanfile
16:22 cait ashimema[m]: i only found a tiny bit on the release management docs
16:22 cait the one we discussed recently about the version needed to run the script with
16:23 ashimema[m] interesting.. I didn't see that
16:23 ashimema[m] maybe just can't see the trees for the wood
16:23 cait i am not even sure that part would change
16:23 cait we shoudl have instructions soewhere where we can find them :)
16:24 ashimema[m] I don't believe it doe
16:24 ashimema[m] * I don't believe it does
16:24 * ashimema[m] got mtj to check just that :)
16:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24642: Make Cache::Memcached::Fast::Safe required <[…]4612b40ec3b5627aa>
16:35 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19735: Remove C4::Installer::PerlDependancies <[…]5ca12a957f80d3093>
16:35 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19735: (RM follow-up) Final update of cpanfile at push <[…]266ce223cbbed94aa>
16:35 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19735: Update cpanfile <[…]6a2241f5fa9b20cd5>
16:35 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19735: (QA follow-up) Drop references to 'usage' <[…]01746f87ca53ad63e>
16:35 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19735: Add support for max_ver <[…]7cacaf490e40794f8>
16:35 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19735: Move Perl deps definitions into a cpanfile <[…]31d4c42b87b8e4a83>
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16:40 caroline_catlady cait or kidclamp, is it normal that actual cost is not auto-filled in the order form like retail price and replacement cost?
16:41 caroline_catlady I would assume in most cases it will be the same and we can just change it if it is not
16:41 * ashimema[m] thinks he prefers the demo page header of the website to the home page
16:41 caroline_catlady so it would save a step to have it pre-filled... no?
16:41 oleonard ashimema[m]: ?
16:42 caroline_catlady ashimema[m]: looks like a css error...?
16:42 caroline_catlady oleonard: vs
16:42 ashimema[m] indeed
16:42 oleonard Mabye wizzyrea knows what's going on there
16:43 cait yes
16:43 cait it's filled on receive
16:43 cait the acutal cost form the invoice
16:44 cait it signals that the item has been received... i think i'd not auto-fill it - but if we ddi the closest would be the estimated cost, not list price
16:45 caroline_catlady ok so librarians don't have to fill it here
16:45 caroline_catlady (I'm reviewing my training material) (and the manual at the same time)
16:48 cait no, they can leave it empty
16:48 cait we had removed it from the form a while ago but it was brought back
16:48 cait if you look for ALL actual cost in bugzilla, that might turn up some useful discussion
16:48 cait self_checks++
16:48 cait um
16:48 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #676: SUCCESS in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/676/
16:48 cait self_checks-- self_checks--
16:49 caroline_catlady @karma self_checks
16:49 huginn caroline_catlady: Karma for "self_checks" has been increased 1 time and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -1.
16:51 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
16:51 wahanui Congratulations!
16:51 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #120: FIXED in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]9_MDB_Latest/120/
16:56 ashimema[m] anyone fancy doing a quick test/fast QA on bug 24643 ?
16:56 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=24643 normal, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, Needs Signoff , Koha::DateUtils::dt_from_string rfc3339 cannot handle high precision seconds
16:56 ashimema[m] looks trivial to me.. but I'm blocked out as it's andrews work ;)
17:05 reiveune bye
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17:09 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #144: SUCCESS in 56 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]aster_D9_My8/144/
17:18 oleonard Alert!
17:18 oleonard Bug 22880 still applies.
17:18 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22880 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Convert opacheader system preference to news block
17:18 oleonard That is all.
17:32 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #605: UNSTABLE in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/605/
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17:39 jo Hi... I'm trying to set the page title, but am a bit lost… I already found out, that would set it to LibraryNameTitle if it is defined, but I don't know where to define it. Can anybode give me a hint to the rigt direction?
17:39 caroline_catlady jo, look in Administration > Global system preferences
17:39 jo Thanks!
17:39 caroline_catlady I think the preference is called LibraryName
17:40 caroline_catlady but not 100% sure
17:41 jo There's also LibraryName, but the title is LibraryNameTitle: <title>[% IF ( LibraryNameTitle ) %][% LibraryNameTitle | html %][% ELSE %]Koha online[% END %] catalog</title>
17:41 jo <title>[% IF ( LibraryNameTitle ) %][% LibraryNameTitle | html %][% ELSE %]Koha online[% END %] catalog</title>
17:42 jo (didn't want to paste it twice, oof, sorry)
17:42 caroline_catlady probably that's what they called it in the template, but if you set the system preference it will be replaced by that
17:43 jo Oh ok, good to know
17:44 jo thanks :-)
17:44 caroline_catlady no problem :)
17:49 jo It was LibraryName :-)
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17:50 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #677: UNSTABLE in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/677/
17:50 caroline_catlady +1 :)
17:52 caroline_catlady jo: more info on customizing the OPAC[…]pac-configuration
17:52 caroline_catlady I notice some of the info is out-of-date, though...
17:53 * caroline_catlady is making a note to update the implementation checklist
17:53 cait caroline_catlady: hope you know you are a hero for docs efforts :)
17:53 caroline_catlady lol! thanks :)
17:53 cait see you all soon - time to leave for today
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17:55 jo Awesome! ++
18:11 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #121: UNSTABLE in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]9_MDB_Latest/121/
18:31 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #145: UNSTABLE in 52 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]aster_D9_My8/145/
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18:51 kidclamp oleonard++
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18:59 oleonard Eh?
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19:34 ashimema[m] Ooh.. just had my calendar remind me there's a general meeting soon
19:35 lisettelatah oleonard, I'm testing again, but it seems 22880 won't let me save any news items in sandbox.
19:35 oleonard :(
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19:37 lisettelatah nevermind, seems to be a problem on vanilla in the sandbox as well.
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19:45 oleonard Meeting in 15? ashimema[m]?
19:47 ashimema[m] I believe so
19:47 ashimema[m] just finding the agenda and things
19:52 lisettelatah oleonard, good news, it worked in my devbox! Working on signing off now.
19:53 oleonard Thank you lisettelatah!! I owe you a Beverage
19:54 ashimema[m] :)
19:55 ashimema[m] great to see some of those patches moving :)
19:55 * ashimema[m] thinks oleonard should promote the remaining ones for hackfest :)
19:58 lisettelatah oleonard. Whelp. my devbox did something really strange and attached a different patch I've never done anything with?
20:00 ashimema[m] #startmeeting General IRC meeting 12 February 2020
20:00 huginn Meeting started Wed Feb 12 20:00:33 2020 UTC.  The chair is ashimema[m]. Information about MeetBot at
20:00 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
20:00 Topic for #koha is now  (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 12 February 2020)
20:00 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_12_february_2020'
20:00 ashimema[m] #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_12_February_2020 Agenda
20:00 ashimema[m] #topic Introductions
20:00 Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 12 February 2020)
20:01 ashimema[m] please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes
20:01 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA
20:01 lisettelatah #info Lisette Scheer, Latah County Library District, USA
20:01 caroline_catlady #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inlibro
20:01 ashimema[m] #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK
20:01 hayley #info Hayley Mapley, Catalyst IT, Wellington NZ
20:02 ashimema[m] Welcome along all :)
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20:03 ashimema[m] #topic Announcements
20:03 Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 12 February 2020)
20:04 ashimema[m] My brain alludes me this evening
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20:04 ashimema[m] #info We have a Global Bug Squashing Day upon us, Februray 14th.
20:04 aleisha #info Aleisha Amohia, Catalyst IT, Wellington NZ
20:04 aleisha sorry i am always late
20:05 alexbuckley #info Alex Buckley, Catalyst IT, Wellington NZ
20:06 alexbuckley Sorry too for being late
20:06 ashimema[m] #info Hackfest in Marseille has been officially anounced and the attendee list is growing nicely.. Please email Paul P if you're intersted in attending.. detials on the mailing list.
20:07 ashimema[m] nice to have you guys here.. no worries about being a little late :)
20:07 alexbuckley thank you :)
20:08 ashimema[m] Any kohacon announcements or news to share?
20:08 aleisha #info the draft programme will be live on on Monday
20:10 ashimema[m] #link Draft Program
20:10 ashimema[m] nice :)
20:10 ashimema[m] OK, moving on then
20:10 aleisha #info we are still accepting sponsorship, particularly for sign interpreters
20:10 ashimema[m] brilliant
20:10 aleisha believe thats it for now :)
20:11 * ashimema[m] makes a note to check we've sent some sponsorship
20:11 ashimema[m] #topic Update on releases
20:11 Topic for #koha is now Update on releases (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 12 February 2020)
20:12 ashimema[m] #info 20.05 is progressing nicely, lots of bugs fixed and lots of exciting developments, new features and enhancements pushed.  I'm really pleased with how things are progressing, but will soon be slowing down a bit for a stabalisation period.
20:13 aleisha nice!
20:13 ashimema[m] #info There's still time to get your favourite new features and enhancements in.. but time is starting to run out now this cycle.. we're half way through! :)
20:14 hayley #info 18.11.14 ticking along nicely, have made the decision not to include patches depending on elasticsearch - keen to hear if others are okay with this. As always please flag anything you want backported with me and I will have a look
20:14 oleonard hayley++
20:14 ashimema[m] #info Mason has done some fantastic work on geting Debian 10 support working, it's still a work in progress but were getting close and should be able to support both 20.05 and 19.11 at least.
20:15 ashimema[m] hayley++
20:15 alexbuckley ashimema[m]++ hayley++
20:15 ashimema[m] rmaints?
20:15 wahanui hmmm... rmaints is talljoy, lucas, hayley
20:17 ashimema[m] OK, that's probably it for tonight updates
20:17 ashimema[m] #topic Any other business
20:17 Topic for #koha is now Any other business (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 12 February 2020)
20:18 ashimema[m] #info Our git server needs an update, details and scheduling to follow
20:18 ashimema[m] khall, bag, talljoy ?
20:19 ashimema[m] ok, I'll catch them outside of the meeting
20:19 ashimema[m] final topic then
20:19 ashimema[m] #topic Set date and time for next meeting
20:19 Topic for #koha is now Set date and time for next meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 12 February 2020)
20:20 ashimema[m] Same time next month suit everyone?
20:20 aleisha yup this is a great time for us in nz
20:20 lisettelatah works great for me.
20:20 ashimema[m] Keep it at the 'late shift' so we have the NZ attendance given Kohacon20 coming up :)
20:22 ashimema[m] 11 March 2020, 20:00 UTC
20:22 oleonard +1
20:22 ashimema[m] does that look right to everyone
20:23 talljoy was in another meeting.
20:23 hayley +1
20:23 ashimema[m] #info Next meeting: 11 March 2020, 20:00 UTC
20:23 ashimema[m] #endmeeting
20:23 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software
20:23 huginn Meeting ended Wed Feb 12 20:23:43 2020 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at . (v 0.1.4)
20:23 huginn Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community[…]-02-12-20.00.html
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20:23 ashimema[m] Thanks everyone.. lovely to catch you all
20:23 hayley thanks ashimema[m]!
20:24 ashimema[m] haha.. no worries talljoy
20:24 ashimema[m] I was just hopeing to get some more details regarding the git server.. bag put something on the agenda
20:25 ashimema[m] I presume it's mostly just setting a time and date to shift it over at some point?
20:28 bag ah I’m here
20:28 ashimema[m] no worries
20:28 bag We need to build a new git server - just was curious the best time to do it
20:30 ashimema[m] I imagine the actual swap won't take all that long.. and people can use the cz mirror for any outage..
20:30 ashimema[m] I'm certainly happy to hold off on pushing for a window.. just let me know when fits in your you guys really :)
20:30 ashimema[m] assuming it'll be someone at your end taking it on.. it's one of oyur servers is it not?
20:31 * ashimema[m] is lso happy to help in any other way
20:31 oleonard See y'all later
20:32 ashimema[m] might be a good excuse to tidy up the gitolite a bit (there's loads of historic entries in it that could/should probably be nuked)
20:32 ashimema[m] unless you're thinking something more extreme like switching as self-hosted gitlab or gittea instance?
20:33 * ashimema[m] would be happy to support such a move.. but that probably would need more of a communal vote (not that I see any real issues)
20:34 ashimema[m] I should probably clock off for the evening.. catch you tomorrow
20:35 aleisha thanks ashimema[m] !
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21:42 caroline_catlady cait have you added contextualizations for German translations?
21:43 caroline_catlady I want to make another (for some genders of past tense verbs) but I don't know the impact it has on other languages
21:44 cait not yet
21:44 cait but the ones you did looked fine to me when translating
21:45 caroline_catlady ok cool!
21:45 cait i'd like to look into 'cancel' sometime
21:45 cait we use different verbs for cancel (a window, action) or cancelling a hold/order
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21:55 caroline_crazycatlady is the internet flaky on my side? or is it on the irc server?
21:56 alexbuckley the irc server has been stable for me caroline_crazycatlady
21:57 cait same
21:57 caroline_crazycatlady ok thanks alexbuckley :) I must have touched my cable with my feet or something :)
21:58 alexbuckley No worries :)
22:03 wizzyrea why do we not offer a record undelete?
22:04 wizzyrea is it just one of those "nobody's cared enough to actually put it in" things?
22:04 caroline_catlady there's a plugin for that :)
22:05 wizzyrea I don't feel like that's plugin functionality though :(
22:05 wizzyrea that should be core functionality
22:05 wizzyrea (but also where's the plugin I want to look at it)
22:05 caroline_catlady like a lot of things
22:05 wizzyrea ^.^
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22:06 wizzyrea let me rephrase - it isn't functionality that ought to need to be added on because only 1 library in 1000 would want it
22:06 wizzyrea I think almost every Koha library would want that.
22:06 caroline_catlady it's called UndeleteRecords
22:06 wizzyrea caroline_catlady++ thank you
22:06 caroline_catlady I think that despite the name however, it undeletes items... not sure about records...
22:07 caroline_catlady :/
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22:08 wizzyrea :) I'll find out
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