IRC log for #koha, 2020-01-21

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07:18 wahanui bidet, reiveune
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08:00 alex_a Bonjour
08:00 wahanui niihau, alex_a
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08:09 magnuse huh, i changed the settings for plack_max_requests and plack_workers in koha-conf.xml, restarted plack but htop still shows starman running with the old/default settings? what do i have to do to make the new settings take effect?
08:10 cait1 restart all the things?
08:10 cait1 apache? memcached?
08:10 magnuse ah yes, memcached, perhaps
08:12 magnuse hm, restarting memcached and then plack did not help
08:13 cait1 reboot? ;)
08:15 magnuse there should be a better way...
08:22 magnuse reading koha-plack, it looks like a restart should do it
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08:28 magnuse *facepalm* i managed to put the plack settings up amongst the zebra config, not in the <config> section...
08:52 cait1 I feel with you
09:01 magnuse thanks
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09:18 kohaputti Joubu, I really think the author should squash the follow-ups – maybe we will discuss this more at some dev meeting
09:19 Joubu not until the feature is ready for push, it's hard for me to keep track of those follow-ups, would be harder if squashed
09:20 cait1 kohaputti: why insist on the squashing?
09:21 ashimema I very ocassionally squash on push.. but it's rare
09:21 kohaputti cait1, to ease reviewing. I can get all the information from change log, v2, v3, etc.
09:21 ashimema I find the historical context of followups very helpful
09:21 cait1 we usually have a rule to keep history, especially if different people have touched it
09:21 kohaputti cait1, if other people touch it then yes
09:21 ashimema it makes it very clear when an author has acted on feedback
09:21 cait1 i usually do a git diff HEAD~4...
09:21 kohaputti but if you make your one little change in 10+ commits please squash it
09:21 cait1 to view all changes of the different commits together
09:22 Joubu follow-ups can mean different things
09:22 cait1 i get grumpy if people squash follow-ups for qa
09:22 kohaputti I don't want to read a story with many hoops from git
09:22 cait1 i want to see the code they touched since my review
09:22 ashimema indeed.. I use caits trick above.. or fairly often I'll push a branch to github of gitlab to get a nicer visual diff which I can comment on inline and then point authors to that..
09:23 ashimema I find that easier that the bz review tools sometimes as it gives full context
09:23 cait1 it also allows you to 'not see whitespace change' i like that
09:24 cait1 spliter can't, but splitter is still useful for quick review of small stuff
09:26 cait1 but back to the complex patch sets...
09:27 cait1 can you share the bug number we are talking about?
09:27 kohaputti Bug 18936
09:27 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=18936 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Convert issuingrules fields to circulation_rules
09:28 kohaputti the commit contains the intent of the change, and if the change is only fully made throughout multiple commits then I cannot use the one commit message to verify all the changes made are as intended
09:29 kohaputti and then instead I have reverse-engineer what the code does and I don't like it
09:29 kohaputti more work for me
09:29 kohaputti the author has already done the work so why not re-use that
09:29 cait1 ?
09:30 cait1 the issue i have... once suqashed you can't see the history, but if not squashed I can still 'visually squash' them
09:31 cait1 ashimema: can you do a git diff HEAd~x... view on gitlab?
09:31 ashimema if the commit message doesn't describe the change made than that's different
09:31 kohaputti ok, I get it, but that might only help the first reviewer
09:31 ashimema I tend to be comparing full branches on gitlab/github cait
09:31 cait1 this started 2 years ago... 2 different uathors
09:32 kohaputti ashimema, if you compare full branches then you need to reverse-engineer the intended change there
09:32 cait1 probably one of our worst
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09:32 kohaputti ashimema, for full branch you don't have a commit message
09:32 cait1 but if you squash them all... do you not have to do the same?
09:33 ashimema the basics of it is.. if it's a big change.. QA is going to be hard and there's a judgement call that needs to take place at some point..
09:33 kohaputti cait1, one commit, one logical change, so squash only the commits next to each other that are part of the same logical change
09:33 cait1 ok, but not sure if we could do that here
09:34 ashimema generally.. so long as the code doesn't "smell" and the intended functionality change as a whole is as described.. and the tests all pass (and qa script passes)..
09:34 cait1 Jesses work is fairly old but seems to make sense
09:34 ashimema then I tend to pqa and pass along.. the rm can always push back if they're not comfortable.
09:34 cait1 and most of Joubus follow-ups make sense to me too
09:34 cait1 maybe apart form fix several issues an dmore fixed ;)
09:35 ashimema Joubu needs to learn to split these sorts of changes into smaller bugs with more clearly described functional changes..
09:35 cait1 this is a hard one - inheriting another's work
09:35 Joubu I am not the original author, the feature has been split already in several bug reports (at least 5)
09:35 kohaputti cait1, here I had only problem with those commit messages like "Fixes"
09:35 cait1 and not sure how we could split something like this up more effectivley
09:35 ashimema but we are where we are right now and I don't think it's worth breaking it down further at this point.. I just encourage any new works take a more broken down tree approach as far as possible.. sometimes that's plain hard
09:36 cait1 yeah
09:36 cait1 small steps
09:36 ashimema indeed.. this one can't easily be split any smaller
09:36 cait1 from being at the project for a long time...
09:36 kohaputti so I can live with the follow-ups but only if they describe the changes
09:36 cait1 it seems devs circle back and forth
09:36 ashimema ok.. 'Fixes' is indeed a bad commit message.. that should really summarise what it's fixing..
09:37 ashimema things highlights during QA runs.. rebase corrections.. etc
09:37 cait1 between big stuff and small steps ... both are hard in different ways
09:37 cait1 i stil lbelieve firmly in smaller steps
09:38 ashimema want me to take it on kohaputti.. I was aiming to give it a good last QA run before pushing anyway
09:39 kohaputti ashimema, well we need sign-off and qa sign-off there so I can do one of the other
09:40 kohaputti I already started looking into the code
09:40 ashimema hope none of that came accross too negative.. I want to continue to encourage questioning and general dev talk.. we can always improve as a team :)
09:41 Joubu Really, given the size of the changes, I do not understand it deserves a discussion about a 2 lines patch that is named "more fixes". Ok it's bad, you can blame me, but please focus on the whole picture
09:41 * cait1 sends cookies to Joubu
09:42 cait1 this is a hard one, let's work on it together
09:42 ashimema always remember we're an international group of varying abilities and cultural lines tend to also be blurred.. I always try to take a general 'be friendly' policy :)
09:46 kohaputti Joubu, 2 lines patches with non-descriptive message make hard to revert features if there are many, though reverting is not so common with Koha. But as you said let's focus now on the whole picture here and let's get this in so it's not blocking other bugs.
09:58 cait1 ... and write super nice commit messages in the future :P
09:58 cait1 my inner librarian talking...
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10:39 cait1 hm no talljoy no kidclamp :(
10:39 ashimema ?
10:39 ashimema it's early for them
10:42 cait1 still worried because talljoy pushed the datepicker-not-sexy
10:43 cait1 bug 24181
10:43 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=24181 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to stable , Make our datepicker inputs sexy
10:43 cait1 and we got tons of display issues with htat one atm
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10:59 tcohen morning
11:01 cait1 .... and it's almost release day
11:01 cait1 morning tcohen
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11:08 tcohen US people had Martin Luther King's memorial day yesterday, so it was a holiday
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11:13 ashimema mtj around?
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11:16 ashimema @later tell mtj we still have some issues with pinned versions in D10 I'm afraid.. we seem to get the 'min' version of Plugin::OpenAPI as listed in the PerlDependancies.. but we get a much newer than 'min' version of JSON::Validator.. those two should really be kept in sync.. I can try to work out which version of JSON::Validator is the last one compatible with our version of the OpenAPI plugin if that helps
11:16 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded.
11:19 ashimema tcohen.. do you have a prefered version of the OpenAPI plugin.. we should pick one and then lockstep our Mojolicious and JSON::Validator versions with it.
11:25 tcohen I don' thave a preferred version. Stretch's is fine
11:28 tcohen ashimema do you see an option to upgrade it?
11:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24435: Add Koha::Biblio->items_count <[…]f69e9071cc48ca199>
11:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24435: Unit tests <[…]992e75487e61300bc>
11:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 7468: fix the export labels popup header <[…]d37dc5f9d6a370d8a>
11:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19793: Change label to match patron record: Primary email <[…]5b92cb93b58ca8d29>
11:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 7468: Use Modern::Perl <[…]f7256250906669643>
11:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 3426: Keep note about sequence of subfields <[…]87a126e9a33707320>
11:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24430: Remove CountBiblioInOrders and its traces <[…]31f41ed29b1dac5d1>
11:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24430: Add ->orders and ->active_orders_count to Koha::Biblio <[…]afccb89d44403e5f6>
11:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24430: Unit tests <[…]75b3770a88fccdece>
11:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19793: Add a field for email in batch patron modification <[…]fcaaaf43c19a812d3>
11:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 24336: Ask for confirmation before deleting a suggestion in the OPAC <[…]83a25416c9f89c1a1>
11:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 3426: Allow for multiple fields in itemcallnumber syspref <[…]94df9ccb03945454e>
11:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 7468: (follow-up) Add missing filters <[…]51a190781febd0edd>
11:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 7468: (follow-up) fix label-edit-range template <[…]7eee903969057a7c0>
11:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 7468: (follow-up) Make sure only integers are accepted as from/to values <[…]3b03794354bb26753>
11:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 7468: Showing the error message according to the community interface patterns... <[…]f960506ca2f6ecb8b>
11:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 7468: Add warning when range has non-existent barcodes <[…]5dcebb66ada2e2cfb>
11:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 7468: Fix 'false' message on Firefox <[…]841c4296e2fd24e8b>
11:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 7468: Print barcodes by range <[…]83ae1e67c945f1aa0>
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12:28 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
12:28 wahanui Congratulations!
12:28 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #560: FIXED in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/560/
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12:31 oleonard Hi #koha
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12:33 magnuse kia ora oleonard
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12:42 cait1 Joubu: 24435 is the same qusetion as for subscriptions, right?
12:42 cait1 bug 24435
12:42 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=24435 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to master , Add Koha::Biblio->items_count
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12:50 Joubu it is
12:51 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #76: SUCCESS in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]D9_MDB_Latest/76/
12:56 oleonard Joubu: I think it's unrealistic to expect every form field in a form to be the same width unless we're going to set them all to a width of 100%
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13:00 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
13:00 wahanui Congratulations!
13:00 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #626: FIXED in 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/626/
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13:10 Joubu oleonard: do you remember why we need the padding-right rule?
13:11 oleonard So that the contents of the form field don't overlap the background image of the calendar
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13:26 Joubu oleonard: do you know on which screen it happens?
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13:27 oleonard the padding-right is a preventative measure. I don't know that it happens anywhere but the padding makes sure it doesn't
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13:31 oleonard andreashm is like my cat, can't decide whether to be inside our outside
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13:58 oleonard Hi corilynn
13:58 corilynn oleonard, what's up?
13:58 oleonard Same old
13:58 corilynn here too!
13:59 corilynn I imagine you saw that patch I threw back yesterday.. wondering if something maybe changed since you wrote it?
14:01 oleonard Bug 23753?
14:01 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=23753 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Background job JavaScript should not try to call humanMsg library
14:01 corilynn that one, yeah
14:02 oleonard Never heard of it!
14:02 oleonard ;)
14:02 corilynn mmm k
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14:03 Null404 hello everyone
14:06 oleonard Hi Null404
14:08 caroline_catlady good morning!
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14:11 corilynn oh, 23753 depends on another bug, i see...
14:12 kidclamp that's just the bug that added humanmsg there
14:14 kidclamp oleonard: I like the look of the human msg bette for the errors that came back - I think they looked odd in the alerts. Not a big deal, you are the master of the GUI :-)
14:15 * oleonard rules with an iron fist and also that was like three months ago who knows
14:18 corilynn well, ya'll wrestle it out and let me know
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14:57 ashimema dang my inbox is overflowing with bugmail :(
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15:18 oleonard tcohen++
15:33 kidclamp Joubu: I can agree testing everywhere is annoying, however, I think we also agree we dont want to display 'Internal server error' anywhere - we should not die to the user
15:34 kidclamp would it be better to catch an exception and bubble an error to the uer? much bigger patch, but betetr method
15:34 kidclamp bug 24331 for context
15:34 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=24331 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Internal server error when placing hold on item if itemtype undefined
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15:39 Joubu kidclamp: either we test everywhere, or nowhere :)
15:39 tcohen exceptions everywhere
15:39 Joubu And I thought we agreed that the maintenance script must be executed to make sure the app won't crash
15:41 cait1 i thought that too
15:41 cait1 or we should make the site explode
15:42 cait1 right now things work... trangely ... when there is no itemtype, like the checkouts list not loading
15:42 cait1 it's not ideal
15:42 kidclamp I disagree with that
15:42 Joubu then it must be tested everywhere
15:42 cait1 i think a warning that tells you what is wrong would be nice
15:42 kidclamp we should never die to the user, maybe we don't succeed the job, but not internal server error
15:42 kidclamp if not test, then more try/catch
15:43 kidclamp or posibly display datat inconsistencies directly on homepage with links to fix
15:44 Joubu I am sure I can find hundreds of ways to make Koha explode if I mess with the data :)
15:46 kidclamp heh, that's the easy part, making it be nice is the hard part
15:46 Joubu We do not want to search for inconsistencies everytime a user hit the homepage
15:51 kidclamp[…]::PrettyException
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16:06 reiveune bye
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17:17 talljoy oooo I want to play
17:17 talljoy i can mess up data really well
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17:27 tcohen the discussion should be how we handle specific exceptions, and what's the fallback for unhandled exceptions
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17:53 cait talljoy: hello
17:53 cait still around?
17:53 talljoy hi cait!
17:53 cait :)
17:53 cait was trying to catch you for a few days
17:53 cait bug 24181
17:54 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=24181 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to stable , Make our datepicker inputs sexy
17:54 cait there is a new bug below that points out display issues with this patch
17:54 talljoy i got your message about bz 24181.  Is anything broken from it?
17:54 cait yep it breaks displays
17:54 cait see bug 24363
17:54 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=24363 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lucas, Needs Signoff , Datepicker calendar is not always sexy
17:55 cait on that bug is a screenshot with an example
17:56 cait from the add item form - the date acquired
17:56 talljoy i'll take a look.  My inclination is to not revert.  But I promise to give it a good review today and decide before i release .02.
17:56 talljoy thanks!
17:56 cait it's a display patch that breaks display... :)
17:56 cait but yep, thx
17:57 cait caroline listed pages with issues on the bug that she found
17:59 cait we'vebeen debating to revert from master - but they wanted to have a go to fix it
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18:04 oleonard Everyone test my proposed fix on Bug 24363! :)
18:04 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=24363 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lucas, Needs Signoff , Datepicker calendar is not always sexy
18:07 cait :)
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18:45 caroline_crazycatlady thx oleonard!
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18:55 bag !bang
18:55 AnnaBoten There is no hunt right now! You can start a hunt with the 'start' command
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19:06 rangi morning
19:07 cait morning rangi
19:07 rangi ashimema: same bug, Bad arg length for Socket::sockaddr_family, length is 0, should be at least 2 at /usr/share/perl5/HTTP/Server/ line 422.
19:07 rangi running again now
19:08 cait splitter?
19:08 wahanui well, splitter is working again??
19:12 rangi yep
19:13 cait ah... so another issue unfound yet?
19:14 rangi same bug as always
19:14 cait :(
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19:40 tcohen !start
19:40 AnnaBoten The hunt starts now!
19:41 oleonard BANG
19:41 tcohen ha
19:41 oleonard cait: I updated the commit message and test plan on Bug 24249, I hope it's a little more clear
19:41 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=24249 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , OPAC lists page should require login for login-dependent operations
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19:43 AnnaBoten oleonard, you missed the duck!
19:43 oleonard liar
19:43 cait oleonard: thx!
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19:51 oleonard kidclamp still around?
19:58 oleonard See y'all later
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20:15 cait ashimema: bug 24474
20:15 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=24474 critical, P5 - low, ---, aleisha, NEW , Lost items that are checked out are always returned, even when attempting to renew them
20:15 hayley !bang
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20:16 cait :)
20:18 hayley :D
20:20 cait this makes so much sense :)
20:24 hayley lukeG if you're around, I think b 24054 needs updating status updated to Pushed to oldstable :)
20:24 hayley *needs status updated
20:25 * andreashm waves
20:25 * hayley waves too
20:26 * cait waves
20:26 cait br
20:26 cait b
20:26 lukeG Hayley thanks, it's updated
20:27 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D8 build #37: SUCCESS in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_19.11_D8/37/
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20:33 wizzyrea hi
20:33 andreashm hey wizzyrea
20:33 wahanui i heard wizzyrea was very glad the git repo is reliably working todya
20:35 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D9 build #36: SUCCESS in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_19.11_D9/36/
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20:56 caroline_crazycatlady hi all! I have a question re overdue_notices argument --date
20:56 caroline_crazycatlady there are two different descriptions in the script
20:57 caroline_crazycatlady one says "emulate overdues run for this date" and the other says "use it in order to send overdues on a specific date and not Now"
20:58 caroline_crazycatlady do they mean that we could run it as if we're in the past?
20:58 caroline_crazycatlady we need to run the script for older overdues and I'm wondering if that is the argument to use
20:58 cait i thinkso
20:58 cait but we haven't used that one in forever
20:59 cait maybe turn of the process_message_queue and do a test run?
20:59 cait turn off
20:59 caroline_crazycatlady we have SenddAllMessagesTo now :)
20:59 cait that's cool too :)
20:59 caroline_crazycatlady but yeah definitely don't want a gazillion emails coming in
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21:26 ashimema Is the code on gitlab the latest running for splitter rangi.. might have a bit of a look tomorrow..  see if a new set of eyes helps at all
21:26 rangi yep, that'd be good
21:28 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
21:28 wahanui Congratulations!
21:28 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_D8 build #236: FIXED in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.11_D8/236/
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21:44 ashimema And how are we deploying it at the moment.. rangi ?
21:45 ashimema Soo many ways to run a dancer app.. always fun trying to replicate issues
21:47 rangi real simple just ./bin/
21:47 rangi then behind nginx
21:48 ashimema Cool, so no clever daemons or plackups to contend with
21:48 ashimema Ta
21:48 ashimema I'll have more of a play in the morning... Just gathering notes right now. 😀
21:53 rangi sweet
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