IRC log for #koha, 2020-01-06

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07:39 fridolin hi there
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07:52 marcelr hi #koha
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08:01 alex_a Bonjour
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08:05 sophie_m Hello #koha and happy new year !!!
08:11 * magnuse waves
08:11 magnuse happy new year sophie_m
08:12 sophie_m thanks magnuse, all the best for you and your family :)
08:12 magnuse merci boucoup and the same to you!
08:19 sophie_m 8-)
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09:11 dersmon hi *
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09:24 dersmon is it possible to include all authority data in my normal catalogue searches?
09:25 dersmon or do i have to first search name variants in the authorities, and then navigate to bibliographic records from there?
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10:08 Bruck @inlibro Hi, just wanted to check if this chat room is working as i do not see any activities
10:08 huginn` Bruck: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
10:08 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
10:13 eythian @later tell cait happy new year :)
10:13 huginn` eythian: The operation succeeded.
10:15 Bruck thanks huginn
10:27 eythian Bruck: huginn` is a robot, the channel is usually active but Monday morning (my time at least) probably isn't the busiest.
10:28 Bruck thanks
10:30 Bruck I have just recently upgraded to 17.05 from 16.05 and when I try to edit items on Koha, it throws the following error "Can't call method "branchname" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 1627". I search the archive online saw the advice to update the two fields<[…]ember/048966.html> (UPDATE items SET homebranch='LIB', holdingbranch='LIB'). I have done that and did the
10:30 Bruck . But, that does not seem to have helped. Please advise.
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11:38 * cait waves
11:42 cait hm I get a mean error trying to access /cgi-bin/koha/reserve/
11:42 cait someone else too?
11:47 eythian how mean? Like, just a bit irritated or properly aggressive?
11:49 cait properly 'holds are broken'
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11:49 cait bug 24350
11:49 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=24350 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Can't place holds
11:49 cait tcohen: ^
11:53 cait eythian: got oyur later, thx :)
11:53 cait are you at work today? public holiday here, but only in 3 states
11:55 eythian I am, not a holiday here. NL is very stingy about holidays
11:57 cait hope a quiet day at least
11:58 eythian so far, I'm mostly waiting for someone else to show up so I can go over something I want to do with him.
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12:07 * cait is time travelling today
12:07 cait looking at bugs filed in 2014 on bugzilla
12:15 eythian oh bother, you've just reminded me that there was a new Doctor Who episode last night that I forgot to download.
12:15 cait heh
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12:29 oleonard Hi #koha
12:29 cait "I would love to see holds updated to act kind of like the Netflix DVD queue system."
12:29 cait that was pre-streaming... wasn't it?
12:29 cait hi oleonard :)
12:29 cait sorry to make so much bug noise - did you work saturday?
12:30 eythian cait: yeah, netflix started off doing DVD posting
12:30 oleonard cait: No at work, just Koha'ing.
12:30 eythian I miss having a service like that, the range of options was so much larger than streaming
12:30 cait oleonard: and i thought htat was only me :)
12:31 cait eythian: on the plus side... i don't think the dvd posting was ever available in germany :)
12:32 oleonard cait: And I will never complain about bug noise, especially from you!
12:32 cait aaw :)
12:32 eythian cait: it wasn't in NZ either, but we had a company that did the same thing, I only got rid of it in 2015 when I moved countries.
12:33 eythian looks like it shut down in 2017 anyway.
12:33 cait interesting, i don't think there is a German equivalent - there used to be 'shops' for renting... but obviously not that many around any more
12:33 eythian yeah, we had those too of course. But the postal thing was more convenient.
12:33 eythian and cheaper
12:36 eythian I think wellington might still have a video (as in VHS) rental shop.
12:38 eythian ah, no, seems that their website doesn't talk about VHS so much so either that's changed or I remember wrong.
12:38 cait i guess getting a recorder this years is oto hard
12:39 oleonard We still have one or two library branches that still carry VHS tapes because their service population hasn't been able to upgrade
12:39 cait interesting
12:39 cait so maybe you can still easily get old ones cheap? our broke down at some point and that was the end to all the films my mum recorded
12:40 oleonard :(
12:40 eythian I imagine they're still readily findable.
12:40 oleonard I still have a few VHS tapes that I need to send away to get digitized while I still can
12:40 cait possibly
12:41 eythian it'd be worth digitising. Then extracting things like adverts and uploading to Internet Archive.
12:43 tcohen morning
12:44 oleonard Hi tcohen
12:45 cait morning tcohen
12:46 cait anyone for bug 24351? not sure if bug or installation error
12:46 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=24351 major, P1 - high, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , During Installation, connection to remote mysql server fails
12:48 oleonard cait:[…]?p=15783148764095
12:48 cait ooooh shiny
12:49 oleonard What do you think about that link text? It is correct/clear?
12:49 cait it would only show if you have used the link from acq, right?
12:49 oleonard Yes
12:50 oleonard I was wondering whether it needed more information like basket name and vendor
12:50 cait basket names are often not so helpful i think
12:51 cait people never know what to enter there, often just do today#s date
12:51 oleonard I'm glad to hear it's not just me!
12:51 cait i was thinking maybe basketnumber, but the short text might just work best
12:51 cait i have a jquery snippet somewhere to auto-enter the date
12:51 cait some want that
12:51 cait just so there is... something
12:59 oleonard Thanks for filing But 24350 cait. I hesitated because I thought it might be just me.
12:59 cait bug 24350
12:59 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=24350 blocker, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , Can't place holds
12:59 cait ah, I can no longer be embarassed
13:00 cait i have probably filed a ton of invalid bugs over time... but I'd rather see people close it than it being not fixed
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13:12 cait november 2014... ah...
13:15 oleonard The good ol' days.
13:25 cait heh kind of
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13:26 cait hm i wonder how 13390 could happen
13:26 cait bug 13390
13:26 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13390 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , authority overlay overwrites bib links
13:32 cait is bug 13483 a koha or a sysadmin issue?
13:32 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13483 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , If unconfigured nullmailer, huge log size and make host run out of space
13:40 magnuse good question
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13:41 magnuse i think you have to enable email for that problem to occur, so if you do that without configuring email on the server it is probably a sysadmin issue?
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13:49 oleonard cait: Do you think Bug 24347 should eliminate the existing "From an existing record" search in acquisitions?
13:49 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=24347 new feature, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Add a 'search to order' option similar to 'search to hold'
13:50 cait hm good question
13:51 cait I was thinking the other day that our long link list of options doesn't have a great usability
13:51 cait maybe some formatting already could help there... (line height etc.)
13:51 oleonard Agreed
13:51 cait my feeling is it could replace it middle term
13:52 cait I lean towards yes
13:52 cait but probably good to get some acq people's opinions
13:58 oleonard cait: Two versions I've tried: Adding it as an 'advanced search' option, and completely replacing the old version.[…]?p=15783190632296
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13:59 caroline_catlady happy new year everyone!
13:59 oleonard Hi caroline_catlady
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14:02 cait caroline_catlady: happy nw year :)
14:02 cait caroline_catlady: do you want to be our second acq opinion?
14:02 cait (looking at pretty pictures from owen)
14:02 caroline_catlady hum. sure?
14:03 oleonard caroline_catlady: We're talking about Bug 24347
14:03 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=24347 new feature, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Add a 'search to order' option similar to 'search to hold'
14:03 cait and how it should look like in the aquisition module
14:03 oleonard[…]?p=15783148764095
14:03 oleonard Two versions I've tried: Adding it as an 'advanced search' option, and completely replacing the old version.[…]?p=15783190632296
14:04 cait oleonard: i am undecided... i think i tend a bit to the second... but wonder if we should not make this all nicer
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14:04 cait why do we have the From everywhere...
14:04 cait i mean there is an awful lot of text
14:04 cait it could just be "Use existing record"
14:04 caroline_catlady I think it's just to complete the sentence Add order to basket ...
14:04 cait or even... Existing record
14:05 cait i know
14:05 cait but it feels clunky
14:05 cait it's something you will use often and the amount of text makes it hard to spot what you are looking for
14:05 cait and people never understad "from a new (empty) record" in my training
14:05 caroline_catlady I don't know, my eye just skips the first word
14:05 cait create an acq record or similar might be better
14:06 cait or just ' New record'
14:06 cait because what's an empty record?
14:06 cait and noone undertands the "external source" either
14:07 cait why do we not say SRU/Z3950 like in cataloguing?
14:07 cait sorry, that's philosophical, but i feel a revamp might be nice at some point :)
14:07 cait scope creeping for this bug for sure
14:07 oleonard Yeah I feel like y'all aren't talking about me anymore and I can't handle it.
14:08 eythian oleonard: it's OK, there's still the private #all-about-oleopard channel, it's pretty active
14:08 caroline_catlady I agree for the external source... it's really not clear
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14:12 cait caroline_catlady: which option do you like better from oleonard's screnshot?
14:13 caroline_catlady I've only gotten one option I think?
14:13 caroline_catlady Oh ok, no I get it
14:14 caroline_catlady I thought it was a comparison between old and new
14:14 caroline_catlady Where does it go when we click on the link in the second option?
14:15 cait i think advanced search and then[…]?p=15783148764095
14:17 caroline_catlady I think I like the second one better... It's one more click, but it's more consistent with the other choices AND with the regular search results
14:18 cait hm for the click more
14:18 cait i wonder if we could have a simple search form
14:18 cait but instead of going ot the search result list in acq like it does now
14:18 cait it could go ot the normal result list
14:18 cait withthe new add order links
14:19 cait so you'd have bestof both worlds... simple and advanced search
14:19 cait but we get rid of the not so great search result list in acq
14:19 cait and we enable advanced searching
14:19 caroline_catlady it's a good compromise I think
14:20 cait so that would be option 1, but with a change to the search field
14:20 cait oleonard: would that be doable?
14:20 cait and btw... big thanks for looking into this at all!
14:21 caroline_catlady oleonard++
14:21 cait oleonard++
14:25 * cait hopes my rant didn't scare him off
14:28 cait caroline_catlady: still thinking about your scarf - pretty color and pattern :)
14:30 caroline_catlady the blue one?
14:31 caroline_catlady Still haven't given it to my mom... :( I hhaven't seen her since christmas
14:31 caroline_catlady The pattern is[…]rary/silverleaf-2
14:33 cait i really need to update my ravelry
14:33 cait just frogged my last finished project (didn#t fit)
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14:39 oleonard I was distracted by IRL humans but have not been scared off
14:41 cait real humans!
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15:19 oleonard Bug 24347 ready to test
15:19 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=24347 new feature, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Add a 'search to order' option similar to 'search to hold'
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15:25 oleonard[…]pac-customization
15:25 oleonard If y'all like that check out Bug 22880!
15:25 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22880 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Convert opacheader system preference to news block
15:25 cait :)
15:25 * oleonard dusts the cobwebs off of it
15:25 cait i will finish my time travelling at some point and get back to those... but finding bugs to close is so... satisfying
15:26 cait addictive
15:28 * oleonard gets cait a 10-gallon hat and lariat for bug-wrangling
15:30 cait i have no idea what that is
15:31 cait oh, like a cowgirl?
15:31 oleonard Yes
15:36 cait i can live with that
15:36 cait although most hats look silly on me :)
15:38 oleonard Most hats look silly on most people
15:39 cait true
15:45 oleonard tcohen still around?
15:45 vfernandes oleonard: which systempreferences will be converted to news block? opaccredits, opacheader, opacmainuserblock?
15:45 oleonard vfernandes: Yes, and opacnav, opacnavbottom, any OPAC pref which is designed to accept HTML content
15:50 vfernandes that's good because it allows to have different content by language (currently we do the content control with JS)
15:50 vfernandes the tool will be renamed?
15:51 oleonard vfernandes: It should be but it hasn't been discussed
15:56 vfernandes ok :) maybe the intranetmainuserblock should also be converted to news block
15:57 oleonard vfernandes: The goal is to convert anything like that. I'm waiting for Bug 22880 to get tested before I submit more patches (several of which are ready to go)
15:57 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22880 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Convert opacheader system preference to news block
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16:06 reiveune bye
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19:55 oleonard Hi aleisha
19:55 * cait waves
19:56 aleisha hi oleonard
19:56 wahanui hi oleopard
20:00 oleonard And bye again
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20:34 cait @later tell ashimema we did the post-release email thing
20:34 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded.
20:34 cait @later tell ashimema i meant the post-release bug cleanup thing
20:34 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded.
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20:40 cait hi andreashm - still keeping odd hours? :)
20:40 andreashm hey cait
20:40 andreashm always.
20:40 andreashm =)
20:41 andreashm don't really start working until tomorrow though, so mostly lurking.
20:55 hayley hi cait, are you able to make accounts on I am trying to post the release notes for the most recent 18.11 release :)
20:55 rangi that is ;)
20:55 hayley oh shoot thank you rangi :)
20:56 hayley git on the brain
20:56 cait i can check
20:56 cait give me a moment
20:57 cait I've never done it before
20:58 hayley thank you!
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21:10 caroline_catlady when using OverduesBlockCirc set at "Block" shouldn't we mask the checkout box? Right now, we can scan the barcode, and only after we've scanned it does it say that the patron is not allowed to checkout
21:11 cait it sounds like we should block it
21:11 caroline_catlady I think it's masked when we use NoIssuesCharge
21:13 cait ifound some bugs about noissuecharge too
21:15 wizzyrea does anyone know, when elastic is enabled, do we use it's internal highlighting?
21:16 wizzyrea instead of the JS one that is a little naff?
21:16 wizzyrea hayley, YES, I can do that
21:16 wizzyrea (rangi can too I think)
21:17 hayley oh thanks wizzyrea, cait has given it a go and I haven't received an email yet, woul;d you mind checking if everything looks right? :)
21:17 cait wizzyrea: i used hmapley as a username
21:17 wizzyrea cool I can check on it. I usually just assign a password and don't worry about the email part
21:17 cait dont know for sure about elastic, ut i haven't seen it mentioned
21:18 wizzyrea ^ if we don't use it, we probably should
21:18 cait i didn't see an option for that
21:18 wizzyrea it'd be so much better than the JS one I think
21:23 wizzyrea hayley what's your email address?
21:23 hayley message it to you :)
21:28 wizzyrea hayley++
21:29 hayley thanks wizzyrea :)
21:29 wizzyrea np :)
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21:52 caroline_catlady my freshly pulled master has a weird error when trying to view a record, but ONLY if TagsEnabled is on... ?? Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl5/5.26/ line 2081.
21:52 caroline_catlady anybody else have this problem? eric found the Tags clue in irc logs from last May
21:53 cait I can test it
21:53 cait opac or staff?
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21:53 caroline_catlady both
21:54 cait looks ok for me
21:54 caroline_catlady since it's in /usr/lib/ I thought maybe it was a perl error rather than a Koha error
21:55 cait i think it's a perl module used by koha
21:55 cait does the record have tags defined?
21:55 caroline_catlady no
21:56 caroline_catlady all my tags tables are empty
21:56 cait hm same here
21:56 cait not sure
21:56 cait but holds are actually broken if you run into that next
21:56 cait hope they are going to fix it tomorrow
21:56 caroline_catlady lol ok! good to know!
21:57 caroline_catlady I was just trying to reproduce my OverdueBlocks Circ thing... which I was working on because of a question from a client... rabbit holes
21:57 cait yeah, sometimes everything you touch breaks
21:57 cait it's a special skill
22:00 caroline_catlady go to know that I'm "special" hehe!
22:01 cait it means you are a good tester :)
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22:16 cait good night all
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22:27 tcohen hi
22:29 rangi hi tcohen
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22:43 tcohen night all
22:49 rangi cya tcohen
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