Time  Nick             Message
07:39 fridolin         hi there
07:52 marcelr          hi #koha
08:01 alex_a           Bonjour
08:05 sophie_m         Hello #koha and happy new year !!!
08:11 * magnuse        waves
08:11 magnuse          happy new year sophie_m
08:12 sophie_m         thanks magnuse, all the best for you and your family :)
08:12 magnuse          merci boucoup and the same to you!
08:19 sophie_m         8-)
09:11 dersmon          hi *
09:24 dersmon          is it possible to include all authority data in my normal catalogue searches?
09:25 dersmon          or do i have to first search name variants in the authorities, and then navigate to bibliographic records from there?
10:08 Bruck            @inlibro Hi, just wanted to check if this chat room is working as i do not see any activities
10:08 huginn`          Bruck: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
10:08 wahanui          i already had it that way, huginn`.
10:13 eythian          @later tell cait happy new year :)
10:13 huginn`          eythian: The operation succeeded.
10:15 Bruck            thanks huginn
10:27 eythian          Bruck: huginn` is a robot, the channel is usually active but Monday morning (my time at least) probably isn't the busiest.
10:28 Bruck            thanks
10:30 Bruck            I have just recently upgraded to 17.05 from 16.05 and when I try to edit items on Koha, it throws the following error "Can't call method "branchname" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 1627". I search the archive online saw the advice to update the two fields<https://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2017-September/048966.html> (UPDATE items SET homebranch='LIB', holdingbranch='LIB'). I have done that and did the
10:30 Bruck            . But, that does not seem to have helped. Please advise.
11:38 * cait           waves
11:42 cait             hm I get a mean error trying to access /cgi-bin/koha/reserve/request.pl?biblionumber=1
11:42 cait             someone else too?
11:47 eythian          how mean? Like, just a bit irritated or properly aggressive?
11:49 cait             properly 'holds are broken'
11:49 cait             bug 24350
11:49 huginn`          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24350 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Can't place holds
11:49 cait             tcohen: ^
11:53 cait             eythian: got oyur later, thx :)
11:53 cait             are you at work today? public holiday here, but only in 3 states
11:55 eythian          I am, not a holiday here. NL is very stingy about holidays
11:57 cait             hope a quiet day at least
11:58 eythian          so far, I'm mostly waiting for someone else to show up so I can go over something I want to do with him.
12:07 * cait           is time travelling today
12:07 cait             looking at bugs filed in 2014 on bugzilla
12:15 eythian          oh bother, you've just reminded me that there was a new Doctor Who episode last night that I forgot to download.
12:15 cait             heh
12:29 oleonard         Hi #koha
12:29 cait             "I would love to see holds updated to act kind of like the Netflix DVD queue system."
12:29 cait             that was pre-streaming... wasn't it?
12:29 cait             hi oleonard :)
12:29 cait             sorry to make so much bug noise - did you work saturday?
12:30 eythian          cait: yeah, netflix started off doing DVD posting
12:30 oleonard         cait: No at work, just Koha'ing.
12:30 eythian          I miss having a service like that, the range of options was so much larger than streaming
12:30 cait             oleonard: and i thought htat was only me :)
12:31 cait             eythian: on the plus side... i don't think the dvd posting was ever available in germany :)
12:32 oleonard         cait: And I will never complain about bug noise, especially from you!
12:32 cait             aaw :)
12:32 eythian          cait: it wasn't in NZ either, but we had a company that did the same thing, I only got rid of it in 2015 when I moved countries.
12:33 eythian          looks like it shut down in 2017 anyway.
12:33 cait             interesting, i don't think there is a German equivalent - there used to be 'shops' for renting... but obviously not that many around any more
12:33 eythian          yeah, we had those too of course. But the postal thing was more convenient.
12:33 eythian          and cheaper
12:36 eythian          I think wellington might still have a video (as in VHS) rental shop.
12:38 eythian          ah, no, seems that their website doesn't talk about VHS so much so either that's changed or I remember wrong.
12:38 cait             i guess getting a recorder this years is oto hard
12:39 oleonard         We still have one or two library branches that still carry VHS tapes because their service population hasn't been able to upgrade
12:39 cait             interesting
12:39 cait             so maybe you can still easily get old ones cheap? our broke down at some point and that was the end to all the films my mum recorded
12:40 oleonard         :(
12:40 eythian          I imagine they're still readily findable.
12:40 oleonard         I still have a few VHS tapes that I need to send away to get digitized while I still can
12:40 cait             possibly
12:41 eythian          it'd be worth digitising. Then extracting things like adverts and uploading to Internet Archive.
12:43 tcohen           morning
12:44 oleonard         Hi tcohen
12:45 cait             morning tcohen
12:46 cait             anyone for bug 24351? not sure if bug or installation error
12:46 huginn`          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24351 major, P1 - high, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , During Installation, connection to remote mysql server fails
12:48 oleonard         cait: https://zivotdesign.com/p/view.php?p=15783148764095
12:48 cait             ooooh shiny
12:49 oleonard         What do you think about that link text? It is correct/clear?
12:49 cait             it would only show if you have used the link from acq, right?
12:49 oleonard         Yes
12:50 oleonard         I was wondering whether it needed more information like basket name and vendor
12:50 cait             basket names are often not so helpful i think
12:51 cait             people never know what to enter there, often just do today#s date
12:51 oleonard         I'm glad to hear it's not just me!
12:51 cait             i was thinking maybe basketnumber, but the short text might just work best
12:51 cait             i have a jquery snippet somewhere to auto-enter the date
12:51 cait             some want that
12:51 cait             just so there is... something
12:59 oleonard         Thanks for filing But 24350 cait. I hesitated because I thought it might be just me.
12:59 cait             bug 24350
12:59 huginn`          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24350 blocker, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , Can't place holds
12:59 cait             ah, I can no longer be embarassed
13:00 cait             i have probably filed a ton of invalid bugs over time... but I'd rather see people close it than it being not fixed
13:12 cait             november 2014... ah...
13:15 oleonard         The good ol' days.
13:25 cait             heh kind of
13:26 cait             hm i wonder how 13390 could happen
13:26 cait             bug 13390
13:26 huginn`          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13390 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , authority overlay overwrites bib links
13:32 cait             is bug 13483 a koha or a sysadmin issue?
13:32 huginn`          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13483 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , If unconfigured nullmailer, huge log size and make host run out of space
13:40 magnuse          good question
13:41 magnuse          i think you have to enable email for that problem to occur, so if you do that without configuring email on the server it is probably a sysadmin issue?
13:49 oleonard         cait: Do you think Bug 24347 should eliminate the existing "From an existing record" search in acquisitions?
13:49 huginn`          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24347 new feature, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Add a 'search to order' option similar to 'search to hold'
13:50 cait             hm good question
13:51 cait             I was thinking the other day that our long link list of options doesn't have a great usability
13:51 cait             maybe some formatting already could help there... (line height etc.)
13:51 oleonard         Agreed
13:51 cait             my feeling is it could replace it middle term
13:52 cait             I lean towards yes
13:52 cait             but probably good to get some acq people's opinions
13:58 oleonard         cait: Two versions I've tried: Adding it as an 'advanced search' option, and completely replacing the old version. https://zivotdesign.com/p/view.php?p=15783190632296
13:59 caroline_catlady happy new year everyone!
13:59 oleonard         Hi caroline_catlady
14:02 cait             caroline_catlady: happy nw year :)
14:02 cait             caroline_catlady: do you want to be our second acq opinion?
14:02 cait             (looking at pretty pictures from owen)
14:02 caroline_catlady hum. sure?
14:03 oleonard         caroline_catlady: We're talking about Bug 24347
14:03 huginn`          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24347 new feature, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Add a 'search to order' option similar to 'search to hold'
14:03 cait             and how it should look like in the aquisition module
14:03 oleonard         https://zivotdesign.com/p/view.php?p=15783148764095
14:03 oleonard         Two versions I've tried: Adding it as an 'advanced search' option, and completely replacing the old version. https://zivotdesign.com/p/view.php?p=15783190632296
14:04 cait             oleonard: i am undecided... i think i tend a bit to the second... but wonder if we should not make this all nicer
14:04 cait             why do we have the From everywhere...
14:04 cait             i mean there is an awful lot of text
14:04 cait             it could just be "Use existing record"
14:04 caroline_catlady I think it's just to complete the sentence Add order to basket ...
14:04 cait             or even... Existing record
14:05 cait             i know
14:05 cait             but it feels clunky
14:05 cait             it's something you will use often and the amount of text makes it hard to spot what you are looking for
14:05 cait             and people never understad "from a new (empty) record" in my training
14:05 caroline_catlady I don't know, my eye just skips the first word
14:05 cait             create an acq record or similar might be better
14:06 cait             or just ' New record'
14:06 cait             because what's an empty record?
14:06 cait             and noone undertands the "external source" either
14:07 cait             why do we not say SRU/Z3950 like in cataloguing?
14:07 cait             sorry, that's philosophical, but i feel a revamp might be nice at some point :)
14:07 cait             scope creeping for this bug for sure
14:07 oleonard         Yeah I feel like y'all aren't talking about me anymore and I can't handle it.
14:08 eythian          oleonard: it's OK, there's still the private #all-about-oleopard channel, it's pretty active
14:08 caroline_catlady I agree for the external source... it's really not clear
14:12 cait             caroline_catlady: which option do you like better from oleonard's screnshot?
14:13 caroline_catlady I've only gotten one option I think?
14:13 caroline_catlady Oh ok, no I get it
14:14 caroline_catlady I thought it was a comparison between old and new
14:14 caroline_catlady Where does it go when we click on the link in the second option?
14:15 cait             i think advanced search and then https://zivotdesign.com/p/view.php?p=15783148764095
14:17 caroline_catlady I think I like the second one better... It's one more click, but it's more consistent with the other choices AND with the regular search results
14:18 cait             hm for the click more
14:18 cait             i wonder if we could have a simple search form
14:18 cait             but instead of going ot the search result list in acq like it does now
14:18 cait             it could go ot the normal result list
14:18 cait             withthe new add order links
14:19 cait             so you'd have bestof both worlds... simple and advanced search
14:19 cait             but we get rid of the not so great search result list in acq
14:19 cait             and we enable advanced searching
14:19 caroline_catlady it's a good compromise I think
14:20 cait             so that would be option 1, but with a change to the search field
14:20 cait             oleonard: would that be doable?
14:20 cait             and btw... big thanks for looking into this at all!
14:21 caroline_catlady oleonard++
14:21 cait             oleonard++
14:25 * cait           hopes my rant didn't scare him off
14:28 cait             caroline_catlady: still thinking about your scarf - pretty color and pattern :)
14:30 caroline_catlady the blue one?
14:31 caroline_catlady Still haven't given it to my mom... :( I hhaven't seen her since christmas
14:31 caroline_catlady The pattern is https://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/silverleaf-2
14:33 cait             i really need to update my ravelry
14:33 cait             just frogged my last finished project (didn#t fit)
14:39 oleonard         I was distracted by IRL humans but have not been scared off
14:41 cait             real humans!
15:19 oleonard         Bug 24347 ready to test
15:19 huginn`          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24347 new feature, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Add a 'search to order' option similar to 'search to hold'
15:25 oleonard         https://bywatersolutions.com/education/monday-minutes-utilizing-the-new-news-feature-for-opac-customization
15:25 oleonard         If y'all like that check out Bug 22880!
15:25 huginn`          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22880 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Convert opacheader system preference to news block
15:25 cait             :)
15:25 * oleonard       dusts the cobwebs off of it
15:25 cait             i will finish my time travelling at some point and get back to those... but finding bugs to close is so... satisfying
15:26 cait             addictive
15:28 * oleonard       gets cait a 10-gallon hat and lariat for bug-wrangling
15:30 cait             i have no idea what that is
15:31 cait             oh, like a cowgirl?
15:31 oleonard         Yes
15:36 cait             i can live with that
15:36 cait             although most hats look silly on me :)
15:38 oleonard         Most hats look silly on most people
15:39 cait             true
15:45 oleonard         tcohen still around?
15:45 vfernandes       oleonard: which systempreferences will be converted to news block? opaccredits, opacheader, opacmainuserblock?
15:45 oleonard         vfernandes: Yes, and opacnav, opacnavbottom, any OPAC pref which is designed to accept HTML content
15:50 vfernandes       that's good because it allows to have different content by language (currently we do the content control with JS)
15:50 vfernandes       the tool will be renamed?
15:51 oleonard         vfernandes: It should be but it hasn't been discussed
15:56 vfernandes       ok :) maybe the intranetmainuserblock should also be converted to news block
15:57 oleonard         vfernandes: The goal is to convert anything like that. I'm waiting for Bug 22880 to get tested before I submit more patches (several of which are ready to go)
15:57 huginn`          Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22880 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Convert opacheader system preference to news block
16:06 reiveune         bye
19:55 oleonard         Hi aleisha
19:55 * cait           waves
19:56 aleisha          hi oleonard
19:56 wahanui          hi oleopard
20:00 oleonard         And bye again
20:34 cait             @later tell ashimema we did the post-release email thing
20:34 huginn`          cait: The operation succeeded.
20:34 cait             @later tell ashimema i meant the post-release bug cleanup thing
20:34 huginn`          cait: The operation succeeded.
20:40 cait             hi andreashm - still keeping odd hours? :)
20:40 andreashm        hey cait
20:40 andreashm        always.
20:40 andreashm        =)
20:41 andreashm        don't really start working until tomorrow though, so mostly lurking.
20:55 hayley           hi cait, are you able to make accounts on koha.git-community.org? I am trying to post the release notes for the most recent 18.11 release :)
20:55 rangi            koha-community.org that is ;)
20:55 hayley           oh shoot thank you rangi :)
20:56 hayley           git on the brain
20:56 cait             i can check
20:56 cait             give me a moment
20:57 cait             I've never done it before
20:58 hayley           thank you!
21:10 caroline_catlady when using OverduesBlockCirc set at "Block" shouldn't we mask the checkout box? Right now, we can scan the barcode, and only after we've scanned it does it say that the patron is not allowed to checkout
21:11 cait             it sounds like we should block it
21:11 caroline_catlady I think it's masked when we use NoIssuesCharge
21:13 cait             ifound some bugs about noissuecharge too
21:15 wizzyrea         does anyone know, when elastic is enabled, do we use it's internal highlighting?
21:16 wizzyrea         instead of the JS one that is a little naff?
21:16 wizzyrea         hayley, YES, I can do that
21:16 wizzyrea         (rangi can too I think)
21:17 hayley           oh thanks wizzyrea, cait has given it a go and I haven't received an email yet, woul;d you mind checking if everything looks right? :)
21:17 cait             wizzyrea: i used hmapley as a username
21:17 wizzyrea         cool I can check on it. I usually just assign a password and don't worry about the email part
21:17 cait             dont know for sure about elastic, ut i haven't seen it mentioned
21:18 wizzyrea         ^ if we don't use it, we probably should
21:18 cait             i didn't see an option for that
21:18 wizzyrea         it'd be so much better than the JS one I think
21:23 wizzyrea         hayley what's your email address?
21:23 hayley           message it to you :)
21:28 wizzyrea         hayley++
21:29 hayley           thanks wizzyrea :)
21:29 wizzyrea         np :)
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21:52 caroline_catlady my freshly pulled master has a weird error when trying to view a record, but ONLY if TagsEnabled is on... ?? Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl5/5.26/DBI.pm line 2081.
21:52 caroline_catlady anybody else have this problem? eric found the Tags clue in irc logs from last May
21:53 cait             I can test it
21:53 cait             opac or staff?
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21:53 caroline_catlady both
21:54 cait             looks ok for me
21:54 caroline_catlady since it's in /usr/lib/ I thought maybe it was a perl error rather than a Koha error
21:55 cait             i think it's a perl module used by koha
21:55 cait             does the record have tags defined?
21:55 caroline_catlady no
21:56 caroline_catlady all my tags tables are empty
21:56 cait             hm same here
21:56 cait             not sure
21:56 cait             but holds are actually broken if you run into that next
21:56 cait             hope they are going to fix it tomorrow
21:56 caroline_catlady lol ok! good to know!
21:57 caroline_catlady I was just trying to reproduce my OverdueBlocks Circ thing... which I was working on because of a question from a client... rabbit holes
21:57 cait             yeah, sometimes everything you touch breaks
21:57 cait             it's a special skill
22:00 caroline_catlady go to know that I'm "special" hehe!
22:01 cait             it means you are a good tester :)
22:16 cait             good night all
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22:27 tcohen           hi
22:29 rangi            hi tcohen
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22:43 tcohen           night all
22:49 rangi            cya tcohen
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