Time Nick Message 07:39 fridolin hi there 07:52 marcelr hi #koha 08:01 alex_a Bonjour 08:05 sophie_m Hello #koha and happy new year !!! 08:11 * magnuse waves 08:11 magnuse happy new year sophie_m 08:12 sophie_m thanks magnuse, all the best for you and your family :) 08:12 magnuse merci boucoup and the same to you! 08:19 sophie_m 8-) 09:11 dersmon hi * 09:24 dersmon is it possible to include all authority data in my normal catalogue searches? 09:25 dersmon or do i have to first search name variants in the authorities, and then navigate to bibliographic records from there? 10:08 Bruck @inlibro Hi, just wanted to check if this chat room is working as i do not see any activities 10:08 huginn` Bruck: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 10:08 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`. 10:13 eythian @later tell cait happy new year :) 10:13 huginn` eythian: The operation succeeded. 10:15 Bruck thanks huginn 10:27 eythian Bruck: huginn` is a robot, the channel is usually active but Monday morning (my time at least) probably isn't the busiest. 10:28 Bruck thanks 10:30 Bruck I have just recently upgraded to 17.05 from 16.05 and when I try to edit items on Koha, it throws the following error "Can't call method "branchname" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 1627". I search the archive online saw the advice to update the two fields<https://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2017-September/048966.html> (UPDATE items SET homebranch='LIB', holdingbranch='LIB'). I have done that and did the 10:30 Bruck . But, that does not seem to have helped. Please advise. 11:38 * cait waves 11:42 cait hm I get a mean error trying to access /cgi-bin/koha/reserve/request.pl?biblionumber=1 11:42 cait someone else too? 11:47 eythian how mean? Like, just a bit irritated or properly aggressive? 11:49 cait properly 'holds are broken' 11:49 cait bug 24350 11:49 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24350 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Can't place holds 11:49 cait tcohen: ^ 11:53 cait eythian: got oyur later, thx :) 11:53 cait are you at work today? public holiday here, but only in 3 states 11:55 eythian I am, not a holiday here. NL is very stingy about holidays 11:57 cait hope a quiet day at least 11:58 eythian so far, I'm mostly waiting for someone else to show up so I can go over something I want to do with him. 12:07 * cait is time travelling today 12:07 cait looking at bugs filed in 2014 on bugzilla 12:15 eythian oh bother, you've just reminded me that there was a new Doctor Who episode last night that I forgot to download. 12:15 cait heh 12:29 oleonard Hi #koha 12:29 cait "I would love to see holds updated to act kind of like the Netflix DVD queue system." 12:29 cait that was pre-streaming... wasn't it? 12:29 cait hi oleonard :) 12:29 cait sorry to make so much bug noise - did you work saturday? 12:30 eythian cait: yeah, netflix started off doing DVD posting 12:30 oleonard cait: No at work, just Koha'ing. 12:30 eythian I miss having a service like that, the range of options was so much larger than streaming 12:30 cait oleonard: and i thought htat was only me :) 12:31 cait eythian: on the plus side... i don't think the dvd posting was ever available in germany :) 12:32 oleonard cait: And I will never complain about bug noise, especially from you! 12:32 cait aaw :) 12:32 eythian cait: it wasn't in NZ either, but we had a company that did the same thing, I only got rid of it in 2015 when I moved countries. 12:33 eythian looks like it shut down in 2017 anyway. 12:33 cait interesting, i don't think there is a German equivalent - there used to be 'shops' for renting... but obviously not that many around any more 12:33 eythian yeah, we had those too of course. But the postal thing was more convenient. 12:33 eythian and cheaper 12:36 eythian I think wellington might still have a video (as in VHS) rental shop. 12:38 eythian ah, no, seems that their website doesn't talk about VHS so much so either that's changed or I remember wrong. 12:38 cait i guess getting a recorder this years is oto hard 12:39 oleonard We still have one or two library branches that still carry VHS tapes because their service population hasn't been able to upgrade 12:39 cait interesting 12:39 cait so maybe you can still easily get old ones cheap? our broke down at some point and that was the end to all the films my mum recorded 12:40 oleonard :( 12:40 eythian I imagine they're still readily findable. 12:40 oleonard I still have a few VHS tapes that I need to send away to get digitized while I still can 12:40 cait possibly 12:41 eythian it'd be worth digitising. Then extracting things like adverts and uploading to Internet Archive. 12:43 tcohen morning 12:44 oleonard Hi tcohen 12:45 cait morning tcohen 12:46 cait anyone for bug 24351? not sure if bug or installation error 12:46 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24351 major, P1 - high, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , During Installation, connection to remote mysql server fails 12:48 oleonard cait: https://zivotdesign.com/p/view.php?p=15783148764095 12:48 cait ooooh shiny 12:49 oleonard What do you think about that link text? It is correct/clear? 12:49 cait it would only show if you have used the link from acq, right? 12:49 oleonard Yes 12:50 oleonard I was wondering whether it needed more information like basket name and vendor 12:50 cait basket names are often not so helpful i think 12:51 cait people never know what to enter there, often just do today#s date 12:51 oleonard I'm glad to hear it's not just me! 12:51 cait i was thinking maybe basketnumber, but the short text might just work best 12:51 cait i have a jquery snippet somewhere to auto-enter the date 12:51 cait some want that 12:51 cait just so there is... something 12:59 oleonard Thanks for filing But 24350 cait. I hesitated because I thought it might be just me. 12:59 cait bug 24350 12:59 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24350 blocker, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , Can't place holds 12:59 cait ah, I can no longer be embarassed 13:00 cait i have probably filed a ton of invalid bugs over time... but I'd rather see people close it than it being not fixed 13:12 cait november 2014... ah... 13:15 oleonard The good ol' days. 13:25 cait heh kind of 13:26 cait hm i wonder how 13390 could happen 13:26 cait bug 13390 13:26 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13390 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , authority overlay overwrites bib links 13:32 cait is bug 13483 a koha or a sysadmin issue? 13:32 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13483 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , If unconfigured nullmailer, huge log size and make host run out of space 13:40 magnuse good question 13:41 magnuse i think you have to enable email for that problem to occur, so if you do that without configuring email on the server it is probably a sysadmin issue? 13:49 oleonard cait: Do you think Bug 24347 should eliminate the existing "From an existing record" search in acquisitions? 13:49 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24347 new feature, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Add a 'search to order' option similar to 'search to hold' 13:50 cait hm good question 13:51 cait I was thinking the other day that our long link list of options doesn't have a great usability 13:51 cait maybe some formatting already could help there... (line height etc.) 13:51 oleonard Agreed 13:51 cait my feeling is it could replace it middle term 13:52 cait I lean towards yes 13:52 cait but probably good to get some acq people's opinions 13:58 oleonard cait: Two versions I've tried: Adding it as an 'advanced search' option, and completely replacing the old version. https://zivotdesign.com/p/view.php?p=15783190632296 13:59 caroline_catlady happy new year everyone! 13:59 oleonard Hi caroline_catlady 14:02 cait caroline_catlady: happy nw year :) 14:02 cait caroline_catlady: do you want to be our second acq opinion? 14:02 cait (looking at pretty pictures from owen) 14:02 caroline_catlady hum. sure? 14:03 oleonard caroline_catlady: We're talking about Bug 24347 14:03 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24347 new feature, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Add a 'search to order' option similar to 'search to hold' 14:03 cait and how it should look like in the aquisition module 14:03 oleonard https://zivotdesign.com/p/view.php?p=15783148764095 14:03 oleonard Two versions I've tried: Adding it as an 'advanced search' option, and completely replacing the old version. https://zivotdesign.com/p/view.php?p=15783190632296 14:04 cait oleonard: i am undecided... i think i tend a bit to the second... but wonder if we should not make this all nicer 14:04 cait why do we have the From everywhere... 14:04 cait i mean there is an awful lot of text 14:04 cait it could just be "Use existing record" 14:04 caroline_catlady I think it's just to complete the sentence Add order to basket ... 14:04 cait or even... Existing record 14:05 cait i know 14:05 cait but it feels clunky 14:05 cait it's something you will use often and the amount of text makes it hard to spot what you are looking for 14:05 cait and people never understad "from a new (empty) record" in my training 14:05 caroline_catlady I don't know, my eye just skips the first word 14:05 cait create an acq record or similar might be better 14:06 cait or just ' New record' 14:06 cait because what's an empty record? 14:06 cait and noone undertands the "external source" either 14:07 cait why do we not say SRU/Z3950 like in cataloguing? 14:07 cait sorry, that's philosophical, but i feel a revamp might be nice at some point :) 14:07 cait scope creeping for this bug for sure 14:07 oleonard Yeah I feel like y'all aren't talking about me anymore and I can't handle it. 14:08 eythian oleonard: it's OK, there's still the private #all-about-oleopard channel, it's pretty active 14:08 caroline_catlady I agree for the external source... it's really not clear 14:12 cait caroline_catlady: which option do you like better from oleonard's screnshot? 14:13 caroline_catlady I've only gotten one option I think? 14:13 caroline_catlady Oh ok, no I get it 14:14 caroline_catlady I thought it was a comparison between old and new 14:14 caroline_catlady Where does it go when we click on the link in the second option? 14:15 cait i think advanced search and then https://zivotdesign.com/p/view.php?p=15783148764095 14:17 caroline_catlady I think I like the second one better... It's one more click, but it's more consistent with the other choices AND with the regular search results 14:18 cait hm for the click more 14:18 cait i wonder if we could have a simple search form 14:18 cait but instead of going ot the search result list in acq like it does now 14:18 cait it could go ot the normal result list 14:18 cait withthe new add order links 14:19 cait so you'd have bestof both worlds... simple and advanced search 14:19 cait but we get rid of the not so great search result list in acq 14:19 cait and we enable advanced searching 14:19 caroline_catlady it's a good compromise I think 14:20 cait so that would be option 1, but with a change to the search field 14:20 cait oleonard: would that be doable? 14:20 cait and btw... big thanks for looking into this at all! 14:21 caroline_catlady oleonard++ 14:21 cait oleonard++ 14:25 * cait hopes my rant didn't scare him off 14:28 cait caroline_catlady: still thinking about your scarf - pretty color and pattern :) 14:30 caroline_catlady the blue one? 14:31 caroline_catlady Still haven't given it to my mom... :( I hhaven't seen her since christmas 14:31 caroline_catlady The pattern is https://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/silverleaf-2 14:33 cait i really need to update my ravelry 14:33 cait just frogged my last finished project (didn#t fit) 14:39 oleonard I was distracted by IRL humans but have not been scared off 14:41 cait real humans! 15:19 oleonard Bug 24347 ready to test 15:19 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24347 new feature, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Add a 'search to order' option similar to 'search to hold' 15:25 oleonard https://bywatersolutions.com/education/monday-minutes-utilizing-the-new-news-feature-for-opac-customization 15:25 oleonard If y'all like that check out Bug 22880! 15:25 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22880 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Convert opacheader system preference to news block 15:25 cait :) 15:25 * oleonard dusts the cobwebs off of it 15:25 cait i will finish my time travelling at some point and get back to those... but finding bugs to close is so... satisfying 15:26 cait addictive 15:28 * oleonard gets cait a 10-gallon hat and lariat for bug-wrangling 15:30 cait i have no idea what that is 15:31 cait oh, like a cowgirl? 15:31 oleonard Yes 15:36 cait i can live with that 15:36 cait although most hats look silly on me :) 15:38 oleonard Most hats look silly on most people 15:39 cait true 15:45 oleonard tcohen still around? 15:45 vfernandes oleonard: which systempreferences will be converted to news block? opaccredits, opacheader, opacmainuserblock? 15:45 oleonard vfernandes: Yes, and opacnav, opacnavbottom, any OPAC pref which is designed to accept HTML content 15:50 vfernandes that's good because it allows to have different content by language (currently we do the content control with JS) 15:50 vfernandes the tool will be renamed? 15:51 oleonard vfernandes: It should be but it hasn't been discussed 15:56 vfernandes ok :) maybe the intranetmainuserblock should also be converted to news block 15:57 oleonard vfernandes: The goal is to convert anything like that. I'm waiting for Bug 22880 to get tested before I submit more patches (several of which are ready to go) 15:57 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22880 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Convert opacheader system preference to news block 16:06 reiveune bye 19:55 oleonard Hi aleisha 19:55 * cait waves 19:56 aleisha hi oleonard 19:56 wahanui hi oleopard 20:00 oleonard And bye again 20:34 cait @later tell ashimema we did the post-release email thing 20:34 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded. 20:34 cait @later tell ashimema i meant the post-release bug cleanup thing 20:34 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded. 20:40 cait hi andreashm - still keeping odd hours? :) 20:40 andreashm hey cait 20:40 andreashm always. 20:40 andreashm =) 20:41 andreashm don't really start working until tomorrow though, so mostly lurking. 20:55 hayley hi cait, are you able to make accounts on koha.git-community.org? I am trying to post the release notes for the most recent 18.11 release :) 20:55 rangi koha-community.org that is ;) 20:55 hayley oh shoot thank you rangi :) 20:56 hayley git on the brain 20:56 cait i can check 20:56 cait give me a moment 20:57 cait I've never done it before 20:58 hayley thank you! 21:10 caroline_catlady when using OverduesBlockCirc set at "Block" shouldn't we mask the checkout box? Right now, we can scan the barcode, and only after we've scanned it does it say that the patron is not allowed to checkout 21:11 cait it sounds like we should block it 21:11 caroline_catlady I think it's masked when we use NoIssuesCharge 21:13 cait ifound some bugs about noissuecharge too 21:15 wizzyrea does anyone know, when elastic is enabled, do we use it's internal highlighting? 21:16 wizzyrea instead of the JS one that is a little naff? 21:16 wizzyrea hayley, YES, I can do that 21:16 wizzyrea (rangi can too I think) 21:17 hayley oh thanks wizzyrea, cait has given it a go and I haven't received an email yet, woul;d you mind checking if everything looks right? :) 21:17 cait wizzyrea: i used hmapley as a username 21:17 wizzyrea cool I can check on it. I usually just assign a password and don't worry about the email part 21:17 cait dont know for sure about elastic, ut i haven't seen it mentioned 21:18 wizzyrea ^ if we don't use it, we probably should 21:18 cait i didn't see an option for that 21:18 wizzyrea it'd be so much better than the JS one I think 21:23 wizzyrea hayley what's your email address? 21:23 hayley message it to you :) 21:28 wizzyrea hayley++ 21:29 hayley thanks wizzyrea :) 21:29 wizzyrea np :) 21:34 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #81: SUCCESS in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D8/81/ 21:40 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #82: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U18/82/ 21:52 caroline_catlady my freshly pulled master has a weird error when trying to view a record, but ONLY if TagsEnabled is on... ?? Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl5/5.26/DBI.pm line 2081. 21:52 caroline_catlady anybody else have this problem? eric found the Tags clue in irc logs from last May 21:53 cait I can test it 21:53 cait opac or staff? 21:53 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #82: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D9/82/ 21:53 caroline_catlady both 21:54 cait looks ok for me 21:54 caroline_catlady since it's in /usr/lib/ I thought maybe it was a perl error rather than a Koha error 21:55 cait i think it's a perl module used by koha 21:55 cait does the record have tags defined? 21:55 caroline_catlady no 21:56 caroline_catlady all my tags tables are empty 21:56 cait hm same here 21:56 cait not sure 21:56 cait but holds are actually broken if you run into that next 21:56 cait hope they are going to fix it tomorrow 21:56 caroline_catlady lol ok! good to know! 21:57 caroline_catlady I was just trying to reproduce my OverdueBlocks Circ thing... which I was working on because of a question from a client... rabbit holes 21:57 cait yeah, sometimes everything you touch breaks 21:57 cait it's a special skill 22:00 caroline_catlady go to know that I'm "special" hehe! 22:01 cait it means you are a good tester :) 22:16 cait good night all 22:21 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D8 build #22: SUCCESS in 31 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D8/22/ 22:27 tcohen hi 22:29 rangi hi tcohen 22:40 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_D9 build #22: UNSTABLE in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_D9/22/ 22:41 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.11_U18 build #23: SUCCESS in 51 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.11_U18/23/ 22:43 tcohen night all 22:49 rangi cya tcohen 23:09 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #82: SUCCESS in 28 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D8/82/ 23:12 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #83: SUCCESS in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U18/83/ 23:25 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #83: SUCCESS in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D9/83/ 23:38 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #83: SUCCESS in 28 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D8/83/ 23:47 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #84: SUCCESS in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U18/84/