IRC log for #koha, 2019-08-15

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05:33 ashimema @later tell kathryn ask interleaf about 'scooter', that was a shared Koha for schools program they had a while back.. think they still support it.. needs a few bits merging upstream and would be nice for them to have interest showed.
05:33 huginn` ashimema: The operation succeeded.
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06:24 * magnuse waves
06:27 * cait waves back
06:30 ashimema mornin
06:31 cait morning, oh mighty RM ;)
06:31 cait bbl
06:31 ashimema lol
06:31 * ashimema is pleased to see Joubu poped in over night :)
06:32 ashimema though he has left me with one little fun challenge.. how to revert test data in a test without using transactions
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06:45 marcelr hi #koha
06:50 magnuse hiya cait and ashimema and marcelr
06:51 ashimema horrible would it be to do a DB dump within a test and then restore it at the end of the test?
06:51 ashimema as an alternative to transactions (we can't use a transaction here as we're testing an interface which sits on a different connection)
06:51 marcelr hi magnuse ashimema
06:51 ashimema hmm.. I missed 'how' there
06:52 ashimema morning marcelr and magnuse and cait
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07:43 cait can you search in the code with gitlab?
07:43 cait i don't want a file... i want occurrences of search_patrons_with_acq_perm_only for example
07:47 magnuse clone the repo and use grep localy?
07:49 cait not waht i intended to do
07:49 cait sometimes i just want to look something up quickly
07:49 * cait grumps about gitweb being better
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07:59 magnuse cait: you mean this one?
07:59 magnuse there is a "Search or jump to" field at the top
07:59 cait no ours
07:59 cait yes, but it doesn't appear to search in the code?
07:59 cait hm it does
07:59 cait have to check why our gitlab installation is different then
08:00 cait huh, now it worked doh.
08:00 cait :)
08:00 magnuse hehe
08:00 ashimema lol
08:00 cait sorry, still too tired i guess
08:01 cait it still doesn#t make sense to me
08:01 ashimema you on the security list in bz magnuse?
08:01 cait the 'inform on receive' feature is for users in acq... isn't it?
08:01 cait on
08:01 * ashimema would be interested in the cringe factor of my final followup on bug 23329
08:01 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=23329 is not accessible.
08:01 cait and when i search, i see all users there, but when a staff user in one of our librareis does, it limits to staff
08:02 cait but i don't see why it behaves differently for me and i think the code looks wrong
08:02 cait[…]
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08:22 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23309: DBRev <[…]e5d057373dfd3ed84>
08:22 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 20292: Add sponsor details <[…]2871b63ca634124ee>
08:22 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23309: Use Koha::MarcSubfieldStructures to create to subfields <[…]c701222784ec0893f>
08:22 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23309: Update DB <[…]4691e36f5dc04e68e>
08:22 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23253: Fix OpacNavRight for self reg by email <[…]64050a536b9c2815d>
08:22 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23253: (bug 22318 follow-up) Fix OpacNavRight even if opacuserlogin is off <[…]8f62bf12854e5a838>
08:22 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23428: (bug 23151 follow-up) Fix self registration with a verification email <[…]95820b602225c75f5>
08:29 magnuse ashimema: nope, not on the list
08:29 ashimema no worries
08:30 * ashimema is now looking at bug 23454
08:30 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=23454 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Fine for the previous overdue may get overwritten by the next one
08:30 ashimema not sure I understand Hemantha's test plan
08:34 ashimema reading the code I really really can't see how it's doing what they're suggesting
08:35 cait did you see the broken links bug?
08:35 ashimema erm..
08:35 ashimema bug number?
08:35 cait ashimema: same for me - i see 2 cases: fine from a different user for the same item
08:35 cait or fine for the same user - but then I don't undertand the difference to what i usggested
08:36 ashimema right.. one thing at a time
08:36 ashimema is broken links related to this or something else entirely
08:36 cait bug 23423 - we broke the file urls we generate ourselves with a recent xslt change
08:36 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=23423 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Online resource links which are OPAC retrieve file references are not correctly formatted in the OPAC detail view
08:36 cait i'd say revert from stable for now and revisit
08:37 cait because bug 21887 got added all the way down
08:37 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=21887 minor, P5 - low, ---, kohadevinim, Pushed to stable , 856$u link problem in XSLT result lists and detail page
08:37 ashimema :(
08:37 ashimema I spent ages QAing that one from memory
08:37 ashimema grr
08:37 cait it shoudl only set http if the indicator says so i think
08:38 cait if first indicator is http
08:38 cait and http or https ar emissing
08:38 ashimema sounds right
08:38 cait yeah... but the implementation doesn't do that
08:38 cait +                          <xsl:otherwise> +                              <xsl:text>http://</xsl:text> +                          </xsl:otherwise>
08:39 cait it's lazy
08:39 ashimema hmm. ok
08:39 cait because catalogers are... but we can't make up for bad data breaking stuff
08:39 ashimema mmm
08:40 cait if you both don't catlog the indicator and not set http... then you are out of luck in my opinion
08:40 ashimema can I work through the fines issue first.. my brain was already part way through that..
08:40 ashimema I agree cait
08:40 cait ok
08:41 cait just wanted to make you aware because of the tracklinks thing
08:41 cait something ot keep in mind
08:41 ashimema ah, I see
08:41 ashimema yeah.. Joubu's followup did confuse me somewhat there.. he added back http://
08:41 ashimema in a test
08:41 ashimema which felt a bit wierd to me..
08:41 ashimema I think perhaps I need to test cases with indicator and without
08:42 cait btw... all the examples on loc include the http
08:42 ashimema GetMARCUri isn't all that well tested I think.. that's probably where that should get tested properly
08:42 cait so i guess it's save to assume that it being added to the record is the normal use case
08:42 cait especialyl since you can't encode https
08:42 cait my issue is xslt side, but probably
08:43 ashimema interesting
08:43 cait
08:45 ashimema I suppose you could do https via subfield $2
08:45 ashimema but it would end up pretty custom
08:46 ashimema or.. just always try https when the first indicator is set to 4 (http)
08:46 ashimema but.. yeah.. the examples all put the protocol iwthing the $u anyway!
08:46 ashimema * but.. yeah.. the examples all put the protocol iwthing the $u anyways!
08:52 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #842: UNSTABLE in 28 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/842/
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09:01 ashimema ok.. doesn't matter how many times I re-read Hemantha's comment.. I don't understand it
09:01 cait have you tried mine?
09:02 ashimema not yet
09:02 ashimema have you tried it?
09:04 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #351: ABORTED in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/351/
09:04 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #328: FAILURE in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/328/
09:05 ashimema It feels like Jenkins has run out of space or something again
09:10 ashimema ooh.. 21887 wasn't one I QA'd
09:21 ashimema `When recording a URL in subfield $u, the value corresponds to the access method (URL scheme), which is also the first element in the string.`
09:21 ashimema doesn't that pretty much state $u should always include protocol?
09:23 cait ashimema: not yet... it was reported against 18.11 so could be a backporting issue too
09:23 cait fines changed in between i think withmore going in
09:23 ashimema me either
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09:34 * andreashm waves
09:34 magnuse \o/
09:34 * magnuse wanders off to find food
09:35 ashimema grr..
09:35 andreashm Does anyone know what the syspref AccountAutoReconcile actually does? I can't find any information in the manual etc.
09:35 ashimema GetMarcUrls does something different again with the 856 cait
09:36 ashimema andreashm
09:36 wahanui andreashm is probably this the ppt from last kohacon?
09:36 ashimema AccountAutoReconcile sets whether or not any existing credits will automatically be applied to a debit when it's added to the system (and vica versa)
09:37 andreashm Ah, thanks.
09:37 ashimema i.e.. if you give a user £25 credit at the beggining of the year.. whenever they get fined some of the £25 will be used up automatically if AccountAutoReconcile is set to `Do`
09:37 andreashm So it's new debits that get checked towards credits already there it that syspref is set to "Do"?
09:37 ashimema if it's not.. then a staff member has to actually apply it via the client somewhere
09:38 ashimema correct
09:38 andreashm Cool thanks.
09:38 cait ashimema: i know
09:38 andreashm We would actually like to avoud using credits at all (but still want lost books returned to be refunded etc). I need to see what is possible to do.
09:39 cait more for the use case... not all links are http/https - we got realtive urls too
09:39 ashimema it also works the other way around I believe.. if a user has some fines outstanding and then they have a manual credit added by a staff user.. then if it's set to 'Do' then it will immediately apply that credit to those fines
09:39 ashimema :)
09:39 andreashm We never set manual credits, so don't think that will happen. =)
09:39 ashimema we need consistency here cait.. I wish I'd caught this..
09:39 andreashm (Just because I said that, someone is bound to give a manual credit.... sometime soon!)
09:39 ashimema hehe
09:40 ashimema GetMarcUrls does seem to be closer to what the xslt does now than what it did before though..
09:40 ashimema it all feels wrong.. I'm not sure how to resolve this 'properly'
09:40 ashimema it feels like $u should always include a protocol to me.
09:41 cait i agree
09:41 ashimema though.. that'll be nasty for relatie uri's
09:41 cait hm
09:41 cait we could set 78
09:41 cait sorry
09:41 cait indocator 7
09:42 cait and a $2
09:42 cait when the file upload plugin is sued
09:42 ashimema in which case.. perhaps if we start with `/` we should assume it's a relative URL?
09:42 ashimema and skip adding protocols
09:42 cait yeah that woudl work too
09:42 cait and easier
09:43 cait marc correctly... i guess first indiactor = 7 and a $2 with file
09:43 cait but... who does super correct marc?
09:43 cait[…]ectronaccess.html
09:44 cait maybe for the xslt:
09:45 cait if first indicator is empty and string doesn't start with  / use http:// automatically?
09:45 cait or first indicator = 4 (http)
09:45 cait hm ok gets complicated
09:45 ashimema I doubt `file` would work as currently that would result in `file:///cgi-bin/koha/opac​`
09:45 cait string doesn't contain http, doesn't start with /, has first indicator 4 or empty
09:45 cait hm true
09:46 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
09:46 wahanui Congratulations!
09:46 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #352: FIXED in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/352/
09:46 cait nice
09:47 ashimema Jenkins really isn't very well at the moment
09:47 ashimema so many random failures.. but mostly seem to be run time or space related
09:48 ashimema hmmm
09:48 ashimema marc is designed to be shared right?
09:49 ashimema so.. really.. relative URL's shouldn't be a think.. as if you end up copy catalogueing you're relative base will be different
09:49 ashimema so.. I'm back to saying all $u should include the protocol
09:49 ashimema and that should also mean including the base url
09:50 ashimema thoughts cait...?
09:50 ashimema it would result in a need to update all existing marc records that contain a relative URI in them
09:51 ashimema and obviously updating the upload and attach feature itself
09:51 ashimema all a bit painful
09:51 cait ashimema: we add them through the upload featrue
09:51 ashimema yup
09:51 cait so... yeah we caused an issue
09:51 ashimema it would be easy enough to fix that to include base URL
09:52 cait hm
09:52 cait in the data or just on the fly?
09:52 eythian ashimema: definitely should always be a fully-specified URL
09:52 ashimema but it's the backwards stuff that's more interesting
09:52 cait oh
09:52 cait base url opac or staff?
09:52 cait opac i guess
09:52 cait not totalyl user how the linking works right now
09:52 ashimema mm, indeed cait
09:53 cait tbh i haven' tused the upload feature yet
09:53 cait os i am not sure what the caes are there
09:53 eythian I'd suggest that if you need a reference to a record within the system, you use a custom field for it that you can put an appropriate record descriptor into.
09:53 ashimema if we're being rigorous we should also set $7 depending on whether you need an opac login or not to access the file
09:54 cait which codes?
09:55 cait ah ok
09:55 cait i see
09:55 cait is this a feature yet?
09:55 ashimema what.. the upload files ?
09:55 * ashimema is now confused
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10:00 cait no the internal external
10:00 ashimema lol.. well opac-retrieve-file has been around sine 2012!
10:01 ashimema sorry.. what do you mean by internal/external?
10:01 cait do we have links generated that can only be accessed from staff side
10:01 cait i really don't know much about the upload feature
10:01 ashimema I don't believe so
10:02 cait we got 2 issues righ tnow about urls... sec and regression... maybe just ned to focus on those first
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10:16 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
10:16 wahanui Congratulations!
10:16 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #843: FIXED in 28 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/843/
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10:25 ashimema right.. I'm even more baffled now...
10:26 ashimema I can't see how they got relative URI's in the 856 in the first place.. short of deleting the base URL
10:26 ashimema when I add one via the cataloguing UI it adds in the base url
10:26 * ashimema has wasted enough time on this today and is going to move on.
10:28 cait ok, maybe they did?
10:28 cait we should ask... will  do as I dragged yo udown into this
10:30 ashimema I've aksed
10:31 cait oh
10:31 ashimema lol
10:31 ashimema no worries.. we both asked
10:31 ashimema still.. at least he knows people are looking at it now
10:31 cait yep
10:31 cait and i was mistaken about the link to the upload feature potentially... which actually makes me feel better
10:31 cait this would have been bad
10:32 ashimema I still don't really like 21887 much though..
10:32 cait yeah
10:32 cait i think i will do a follow up
10:32 ashimema I wonder if it's a case of OPACBaseUrl not being set
10:32 cait it goes from the same assumption as this one....
10:32 cait i think 23423 is copy and paste from catalogers
10:32 cait leaving off the thttp
10:32 cait because browsers will resolve it
10:33 ashimema yeah.. a followup bug to correct some logic for 21887 would be awesome.. I'm still not 100% sure what it should do..
10:33 cait often on printed media and the li nk the http is not there
10:33 cait i can try... but probably not getting to it any time soon
10:33 cait just too tried this week
10:33 ashimema sorta feels like we shouldn't be encouraging leaving out the protocol at all
10:34 ashimema hmm
10:35 cait yeah
10:35 cait but the otherwise section is still a bit fishy in the xslt
10:35 eythian if you have a link without a protocol in a <a href="">, it won't do the right thing
10:36 eythian it will treat it as relative
10:36 cait especially since it doesn't take into accoutn the standard right - like all the other protocols possible
10:36 cait first indicator and $2
10:36 ashimema indeed eythian..
10:36 cait eythian: i think this is waht the library used for their 'advantage'
10:36 ashimema what we're doing though it randomly trying to guess a protocol if it's missing.. which seems a bit off too
10:36 cait and we broke it now with pushin ghttp:// in front
10:37 cait we are guessing too much for sure
10:37 eythian yeah, you can't really guess
10:37 cait we can make it at least stricter
10:37 eythian it's just not a URL if it doesn't have a protocol, so it should really fail validation.
10:37 cait so guess... when they indicate it's http and if it's really nothing else specific
10:37 cait eythian: vaidation in cataloguing? :)
10:37 eythian a brave new world :)
10:37 ashimema hehe
10:38 * ashimema randomly fancies hunting down eythian and sitting down for a pint together again some time.. it's been toooooo long
10:39 eythian ashimema: I'll be in Ireland for a bit in September, and London in October (details TBD however.)
10:39 ashimema ooh.. London is close :)
10:39 * cait is slightly jealous already
10:40 eythian cait: I might be in Munich in October :)
10:40 ashimema though October is a rather busy month too
10:40 eythian ashimema: I'm hoping to have nearly a week there, so I'm sure something can work out.
10:42 ashimema :)
10:42 cait ah my brother is close to Munich... what are you doing there?
10:42 eythian (my parents are visiting the UK+Ireland, so I'm meeting them for a bit at the start and at the end of their trip.)
10:42 eythian cait: there's a band playing I want to see, and I have someone's spare room I can use.
10:43 cait ah, sounds busy
10:43 eythian Yeah. Will also be in Naples in October.
10:43 cait wow
10:43 cait i got 3 weeks of vacation in november...
10:44 eythian Tonight I need to go make sure my calendar is up to date as a friend wants to meet up to explore a castle around here some weekend, and I'm not sure exactly when I'm free.
10:44 eythian I haven't had a lot of holiday lately, so it's mostly going to September/October.
10:45 eythian Hopefully with some left over for next year going to NZ for a few weeks.
10:55 cait how many days do you have annual leave?
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11:02 magnuse i don't ask for much, i just need a 6 month vacation twice a year
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11:20 magnuse this is weird. i have one instance where some of the letters for browsing patrons does not render anything on the page. the data arrives ok in the browser, but it is stuck at "processing". nothing in the firebug console.
11:20 magnuse always the same result for the same letter, so not random in that sense
11:26 eythian cait: 5 weeks
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11:32 oleonard Hi all
11:36 magnuse hah, looks like a tab at the end of the email was the culprit
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11:59 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
11:59 wahanui Congratulations!
11:59 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #329: FIXED in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/329/
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12:16 andreashm Am I correct in the assumption that Koha does differentiate between a ckecked in book with hold, that has pick-up location at the same library, and a hold with a pick-up location on another branch? The same hold-found2 modal seems to be triggered in both cases.
12:18 andreashm Are we the only ones who wouldlike the option to print a transfer slip on library A, and then have the item checked in and a hold slip printed at library B?
12:18 cait hm shoudl it not say Tansport to in the lower part?
12:18 cait i thought it did last time i checked
12:18 cait not on the heading, but in the last 2 bold lines or so
12:18 cait andreashm: actually i thought it worked like that... but we are not dealing with holds between branches currently
12:18 oleonard Having been spending a fair amount of time in lately I think you're correct andreashm
12:19 andreashm oleonard: yeah, I was afraid of that.
12:20 andreashm cait: probably does. But there is no option to print a transfer slip
12:20 oleonard ashimema: So you want to have consistent use of transfer slips when moving items between libraries
12:20 oleonard I mean andreashm:
12:21 andreashm We have had a workaround of confirming the hold and transfer and then returning the item again which triggers the transfer-alert-box (whatever it is called)
12:22 * ashimema listens in
12:22 * oleonard wonders if you could hack the notice to get what you want
12:22 andreashm We would like to have the option of "Print transfer slip" on the hold modal. (But probably only if there actually is a transfer)
12:22 ashimema I find the transfers system a tad confusing and wierd at the moment ;)
12:22 ashimema we use it for stockrotation.. but it feels odd in it's mechanics
12:22 andreashm I guess it's possible to use JQuery or something to add a print transfer button if it is a hold that should be transferred.
12:23 andreashm But seems a round-about way of doing it
12:23 andreashm (oleonard:)
12:24 andreashm I've seen other adding a line in the beginning of the hold letter: "Hold for: <branch>"
12:24 andreashm But that seems like an even more clumsy way of handling it.
12:26 oleonard I wonder a generalized solution would be to add a separate slip for holds requiring transfers?
12:28 andreashm Hold-transfer slip? Yeah, that would perhaps make most sense.
12:29 oleonard That would eliminate the necessity of adding another button to the hold notification modal, which I would like to avoid
12:30 oleonard Libraries who didn't care about this issue could put the same content in hold-slip and hold-transfer-slip
12:30 andreashm Yeah, might be even more confusing.
12:30 andreashm exactly
12:33 * oleonard puts on his list to check whether we really need hold-found1 and hold-found2... could probably be combined in
12:33 andreashm hold-found1 is for when a hold is waiting right?
12:34 oleonard Yes, already waiting
12:34 * oleonard realizes he just sent a random character to Windows' "restart now?" dialog and doesn't know which one
12:35 ashimema lol
12:37 oleonard I'm still here, so...
12:37 eythian so you pressed the "restart in ~ minutes without warning" option?
12:37 oleonard Where ~ is randomized :D
12:43 * oleonard crosses his fingers and bites the bullet
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12:56 * oleonard gives up and installs Windows 2000
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12:58 cait if we had a separate notice it could fall back to the normal holds one if not defined maybe...
12:58 cait or pref it ;)
12:58 cait so people don't have to double up
13:04 andreashm a fallback if no notice for transfer-holds is defined sounds like a nice solution.
13:05 cait the pref would give a bit better documentation
13:06 cait and allow us to add default notices and stuff...
13:07 andreashm https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=23292
13:07 huginn` Bug 23292: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, johanna.raisa, Needs Signoff , Use TransferSlip when transfering item which is on hold
13:07 andreashm That would work too
13:07 cait looks like you are not alone at all
13:08 andreashm =)
13:20 magnuse nah, we are all alone
13:20 andreashm I should get my devbox running again and test that bug
13:21 magnuse andreashm++
13:22 andreashm project for tomorrow maybe.
13:31 caroline_catlady good morning!
13:35 cait good morning caroline_catlady!
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13:59 oleonard cait: Bug 23445
13:59 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=23445 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Loan period unit in circulation rules is untranslatable causing problems one editing rules
13:59 oleonard No
13:59 oleonard Bug 23455
13:59 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=23455 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Patron card printing from Patron lists is broken
14:00 cait but a sign-off would be nice too :)
14:01 oleonard I almost attached my patch to that bug because my fingers can't stop typing it wrong
14:01 cait oh
14:01 cait filter problems?
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14:02 oleonard cait: JavaScript on one page referred to an HTML id on another page which went away with Bug 20650
14:02 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20650 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Switch single-column templates to Bootstrap grid: Various, part 3
14:05 cait oh the lovely side effects
14:05 cait i had a short go at debugging... as you saw in the comment... but got quite stuck
14:08 cait ok, sun is out - i better leave before the next rain cloud
14:08 cait bye all!
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14:16 andreashm bye #koha
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16:29 bag morning all
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17:28 caroline_catlady anyone know if we can search by acqdate in the OPAC using < or > or => or =<)
17:28 caroline_catlady I tried with = and it works but I can't figure out how to use the greater than, less than, etc
17:50 lisettelatah I haven't tried it but you might need to use the urlencode character for it <  %3C > %3E
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18:00 caroline_catlady lisettelatah: not working either, but I noticed that even if I change the URL to put %3D, once I hit enter, it changes back to >, unlike the other symbols which stay as %3X
18:46 cait caroline_catlady: in theory i think you need to use st-numeric
18:47 cait acqdate,st-numeric ... etc
18:47 cait but i never got it to work right
18:47 caroline_catlady I'm pretty sure I tried that, but let me try again (I did so many tries, I can't be 100% sure I did)
18:47 cait bug 17815
18:47 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=17815 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Problems with search for dateaccessioned
18:48 cait hm not the one i was looking for actulally
18:49 cait maybe this? bug 10816
18:49 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10816 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Relational operators in Search
18:49 cait it says use ge=
18:49 cait yr,st-numeric,ge=2000 (greater equal)
18:51 caroline_catlady ok that's a new info, I will try that
18:54 pastebot "caroline_catlady" at pasted "still not working... can you spot the error?" (1 line) at
18:56 cait not really
18:56 cait does it work just using the acdate without the others?
18:56 caroline_catlady hm, didn't try that
18:56 cait just to limit it doen a bit
18:57 caroline_catlady yeah, still not working
18:57 cait hmpf
18:57 caroline_catlady also tried acqdate,st-date,ge=2019-01-01
18:57 cait i thiki have 2 old tickets about this too
18:57 cait there should be another bug report i can't spot right now
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19:19 cait caroline_catlady: for this search... maybe  = 2019 and ...,rtrn=202 could work?
19:22 caroline_catlady acqdate,rtrn=2019 returns the whole database, but it's a test database, so I wonder if they all have acquisitions dates in 2019
19:23 caroline_catlady yup, so it works! It doesn't give the results I want, but it works!
19:23 caroline_catlady cait++
19:24 cait heh :)
19:24 cait caroline_catlady++ :)
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19:26 caroline_catlady Is there any plan/demand for developping dynamic lists? e.g. lists based on sql requests for example
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19:35 cait caroline_catlady: have you seen issues with the fr-CA installer?
19:35 cait bug 23353
19:35 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=23353 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, REOPENED , Fresh installation duplicate keys ACQ-020
19:37 caroline_catlady oh it's been a while since I used the installer... But I seem to remember something about the acq framework
19:38 cait hm i think i see the problem
19:38 cait sec
19:39 cait the first 2 inserts and the second 2 both add the framework
19:39 cait
19:39 cait the first is a full copy of the default
19:39 cait and the second is a partial copy
19:39 cait for only some fields
19:40 cait the second would not copy the 952
19:41 cait but when it tries to do the inserts of the same fields/subfields a second time it epxlodes
19:41 caroline_catlady not sure I understand
19:41 cait it adds a copy of default as ACQ framewor with all fields
19:42 cait then it tries to add the fields again, but only those mapped to certain biblio fields...
19:42 cait and that explodes
19:42 cait because the fields are already there
19:42 caroline_catlady the one where it explodes is the fourth "insert into"?
19:42 cait the third probably
19:42 cait already
19:43 cait oh no
19:43 cait forgot the frameowrk one
19:43 cait the 4th
19:44 caroline_catlady did you compare with the original en?
19:44 cait i just looked at de-de
19:44 cait there is no acq sample
19:44 cait checking en now
19:44 cait seems there isn't one in en either
19:45 caroline_catlady strange
19:45 cait you can add your own stuff
19:45 cait the web installer checks for the files existing and text files for the descriptions
19:45 cait other languages have done this too
19:45 caroline_catlady but which framework is used in acquisitions if there isn't one at the beginning?
19:46 cait we always add one
19:46 cait as part of the basic config
19:46 cait and it falls back to default
19:47 caroline_catlady ok, I always thought it was part of Koha and we had just transated it
19:47 cait i didn't spot it in the 2 installers i checked
19:47 cait i will change the bug report to point out the mistake in the file
19:48 cait i am not sure how you want the framework, so not sure how to fix
19:51 caroline_catlady I don't understand what the 4th insert into is trying to do
19:52 cait i think the idea might have been to have a very small acq framework...
19:52 cait but it seems to have gone in untested
19:53 caroline_catlady the only difference I noticed in the ACQ framework is that there are less item fields (like lost, and withdrawn are not there, because usually you're not acquiring a lost something)
19:53 cait it looks like it was Joubu
19:53 cait yeah but that is only from the visibility thing
19:53 cait s
19:54 cait hm it sets tab to -1 actually: UPDATE marc_subfield_structure SET tab = -1
19:54 cait that is 'ignore'
19:54 cait look here:
19:54 cait[…]64050a536b9c2815d
19:54 cait the lines 40-56 change the item fields
19:54 caroline_catlady yeah that is what I was thinking abou
19:55 caroline_catlady it's just the queries where there are kohafield = "" that I'm not sure what they do
19:55 cait i think they are there by mistake
19:56 cait you can now use the biblio part of the framework too
19:56 cait UseACQFrameworkForBiblioRecords
19:56 caroline_catlady or the 2nd and 3rd are there by mistake? If like you said the point was to have a smaller framwork, I would only put the 4th and the 5th ones
19:56 cait that removes the hardcoded form and displays the fields from the framework in the acquisition module instead
19:56 cait i think the lines were added by accident in context of this enh
19:56 caroline_catlady Yeah, I've used it before
19:57 cait more the 4th and 5th are by mistake
19:57 cait I have no idea what Joubu was trying to do there
19:57 caroline_catlady when you git blame, can you see the dates?
19:57 caroline_catlady can we see which one was there first?
19:57 cait you can click on history in the gitweb too :)
19:57 cait but yeah git blame does the trick as well
19:58 cait it as this change here:
19:58 cait[…]bdd5ea56a6ff65e1a
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19:58 caroline_catlady[…]bdd5ea56a6ff65e1a
19:58 cait it made the same change to 3 fr-CA files
19:59 caroline_catlady looks like those two were added in a bunch of languages, not just fr-CA
19:59 cait probably a mistake in a script... maybe because your structure is different
19:59 cait the other languages didn't have a full ACQ frameowrk
20:00 cait but fr-CA has
20:00 caroline_catlady oh yes, I see it now
20:01 caroline_catlady it was added originally by francharb
20:01 cait I thnk the question si if you want to keep it like that
20:01 cait as a separate file
20:01 cait or move it with the others like the other languages do
20:01 caroline_catlady I'm trying to figure out why it was done this way
20:02 caroline_catlady I'll ask eric see if he remembers
20:02 cait ok
20:02 cait i ocmmented on the bug - should have enough to fix it
20:02 cait not hard to fix, just have to decide what to do
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20:05 cait good morning kathryn
20:05 caroline_catlady I'm sure there was a good reason at the time, especially if you have to create it during config, makes sense that it is already there
20:06 caroline_catlady do you know if there were some in other languages that have been removed since?
20:06 kathryn evening cait :)
20:07 kathryn hi caroline_catlady
20:07 caroline_catlady good morning kathryn
20:07 cait caroline_catlady: i think it might have been there first
20:07 cait before the othe rlanguage got acq frameworks added
20:08 cait but the other languages used the existing file and the existing extra fr-CA file was missed
20:08 caroline_catlady not sure I understand, sorry
20:10 caroline_catlady[…]0c4be292bbbe4b25b
20:10 caroline_catlady ?
20:10 cait the fr-CA is the only installer with a separte file adding an ACQ framework
20:11 caroline_catlady ah ok, whereas the other languages have it in the simple_bib_framework file?
20:11 cait yep
20:11 caroline_catlady aaaah!
20:11 cait an dprobably that was added later
20:11 cait so we now have a double up
20:11 caroline_catlady ok NOW I understand :)
20:11 cait hm it loks like fr-FR might also have the problem?
20:12 cait hm have to verify that, the fr-* get me confused
20:12 caroline_catlady don't know, I can't see a separate file for them
20:12 caroline_catlady and anyway, I don't think they use MARC21
20:12 cait yeah
20:12 cait we will leave the bug as is for now, i t hink the fr-FR is ok
20:13 caroline_catlady ok, so we (I) have to decide if we keep it as a separate file or not and submit a patch for the bug., is that it?
20:13 cait if yo ucomment, i can help too ... but a patch would be great :)
20:15 caroline_catlady in your last comment, you say that 2 fr-CA files were amended, but there is only one and two fr-FR no?
20:15 cait ok, now i am not following anymore :)
20:15 cait thinking about this ocmmit here:[…]bdd5ea56a6ff65e1a
20:16 caroline_catlady yeah ^ that commit has only 1 fr-CA file
20:16 caroline_catlady unless I'm not looking at the right place
20:16 cait yeah the ohter are fr-FR
20:16 cait it hink both the one you had and this one together made too many changes
20:16 caroline_catlady ok
20:17 caroline_catlady I will clean it up
20:17 caroline_catlady hopefully this is truly the problem, because tcohen seems to have another one in the comment jhust before yours
20:17 cait ah, fr-FR - one is marc21 and one is unimarc.. so that looks ok
20:18 cait hm pretty sure
20:19 cait he says it's fr-CA
20:19 tcohen hola caroline_catlady
20:19 cait hi tcohen
20:19 tcohen hola cait
20:19 caroline_catlady hi tcohen
20:19 cait we are trying to discuss bug 23353
20:19 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=23353 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , ACQ framework makes fr-CA web installer explode
20:19 cait and confuse each other
20:19 caroline_catlady we were just discussing bug 23353
20:19 tcohen yes
20:19 cait commented on the bug
20:19 tcohen I read it
20:20 cait dismiss the last comment
20:20 tcohen what I found was that the translations were notgenerated correctly
20:20 cait i got confused between fr-FR and fr-CA
20:20 cait the acq file is not generated
20:20 cait your bug is diferent to the one reported i tihnk
20:21 cait I htink there might be 2 issues?
20:21 cait [Mon Jul 22 03:04:19 2019] DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Duplicate entry 'ACQ-020' for key 'PRIMARY' at /usr/share/perl5/DBIx/ line 273. < this is from the wrong sql file
20:21 cait And this: Template process failed: file error - /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/pr​og/fr-CA/modules/onboarding/ not found at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 122. " might be tranlsatoin related?
20:28 tcohen I think there are several issues
20:28 cait agreed
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20:49 wizzyrea hi alexbuckley
20:53 alexbuckley hey wizzyrea :)
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21:37 caroline_catlady good night!
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