IRC log for #koha, 2019-08-02

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05:49 calire morning #koha
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06:32 reiveune hello
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06:33 fridolin hi
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07:01 alex_a bonjour
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07:43 * magnuse waves
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08:27 vfernandes hi #koha
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10:04 * cait waves at davidnind
10:05 cait thanks :)
10:07 davidnind cait++
10:08 cait alex_a: was item search your baby?
10:08 cait trying to see if ic an help a new German user on bug 23402
10:08 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=23402 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Similar to #19706: Item search doesn't work with screen selected
10:09 cait or maybe someone else coudl give it a try?
10:37 davidnind cait: I ran a quick test on the 19.05.02 instance I have running and didn't get any error messages - didn't specify a specific item, just got all the results
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10:55 cait super odd
10:55 cait could you comment?
11:00 cait hm probably missed him
11:00 cait davidnind++ thx for testing
11:00 davidnind have added commet
11:00 cait oh great ,thx
11:01 cait btw #koha - I am on vacation next week
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11:08 davidnind cait: have good break!
11:12 cait thx :)
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11:16 davidnind cait: Do you know the best way to change a merge request? In this case it is for the manual, and I'd like to get Holly to rename the image and to crop it so it only shows the relevant bit.
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11:17 cait hm
11:17 cait i think she canjust make the changes on her branch
11:17 cait the merge request will automatically update
11:17 cait they are still linked
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11:18 davidnind thanks cait, I'll ask her to update it and then go from there, will see what happens!
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11:32 magnuse davidnind++
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12:53 caroline_catlady bonjour!
12:54 magnuse hello caroline_catlady
12:58 caroline_catlady cait around? Or anyone doing training?
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13:05 oleonard Hi everyone, sorry I'm late.
13:06 caroline_catlady oleonard are you the Koha administrator in your library?
13:06 caroline_catlady (like do people come to you when they have questions on functionalities?)
13:06 oleonard Only in the staff client administration sense. ByWater runs our server
13:07 caroline_catlady Do you ever have to explain circulation rules?
13:08 oleonard Yes, frequently XD
13:08 caroline_catlady I'm having so much trouble explaining the "All item types" rules... It makes perfect sense to me, but when I explain them people look at me with big empty eyes
13:09 oleonard Talking to librarians?
13:10 caroline_catlady yes
13:10 caroline_catlady the systems librarians or the library director if the library doesn't have a systems librarian
13:11 caroline_catlady The way I explain it is that Koha looks at each rule from top to bottom and stop when it finds a rule that matches.
13:11 caroline_catlady So if you have Patron category XYZ and All item types, of course it's going to stop there
13:13 oleonard Maybe our rules aren't complicated enough to have caused confusion
13:16 caroline_catlady good for you! lol :)
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13:34 oleonard Hi wizzyrea
13:44 wizzyrea good morning
13:44 wizzyrea how we doin fam
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13:49 oleonard I is doin fine. Kids are panicking a little about it being August.
13:52 calire what happens in August?
13:53 oleonard School starts at the end of the month
13:53 calire oooh
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14:26 oleonard The system preferences interface rabbit hole goes so deep
14:34 * kidclamp looks at the can of worms. looks at the opener, pushes them to oleoonard
14:36 oleonard The whole business of these lines in system preferences which are just notes... They seem to apply to categories of preferences which don't really exist
14:37 oleonard Their placement is kind of random
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14:38 oleonard "Using resources such as external images might leak sensitive data to third parties" That's under the Adlibris preferences, but applies to all the 3rd party services
14:39 kidclamp interesting
14:40 oleonard We have a section called "All" which has the FRBRizeEditions prefs, and the note "you can only choose one source of cover images from below, otherwise Koha will show the images from all sources selected. "
14:40 oleonard It's like we need to have (and display) a third layer of categorization
14:41 oleonard All I wanted to do was keep my little system preference link copier from showing up on those dumb notes lines and now I can't see daylight
14:50 reiveune bye
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15:00 * oleonard will bbiab
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15:14 Guest8927 hi, could anyone tell me if it is possible to make the item field e "source of acquisition" a drop-down selection?
15:16 caroline_catlady Guest8927: yes it is possible, you have to create an authorized values list and then link that list to the 952$e field in your MARC framwork
15:17 Guest8927 okay thank you very much caroline :D
15:17 caroline_catlady no problem!
15:18 * caroline_catlady loves authorized values
15:19 Guest8927 lol that's cool
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15:21 Guest8927 trying it out at the moment
15:21 lisettelatah on a similar note is there a way to link an authorized value list to the collection title on the "Enter a new Purchase Suggestion" page?
15:21 caroline_catlady in the staff client?
15:22 caroline_catlady Just checked and no, I don't think so
15:23 caroline_catlady :(
15:23 oleonard I don't even know what collection title is for
15:23 oleonard I assume it wasn't intended to be collection code... If so it's unfinished
15:24 caroline_catlady I think it's for when publishers have collections
15:24 * caroline_catlady is trying to think of an example is english but is failing
15:25 oleonard There's always been a tension between tailoring that form for the general public and making it very specific
15:26 lisettelatah It would be nice if we could do extra fields, similar to extra patron attributes to better customize the form. We are planning on putting in a bunch of JQ soon to hide some fields we don't want and rename some of them to gather information we do want.
15:28 caroline_catlady yeah, I think JQ is the only way to go for now. But you won't be able to add fields...
15:31 oleonard We need a "SuggestionUnwantedFields" similar to what we have for the patron entry form
15:32 Guest8927 hi caroline, so i just finished trying what you said
15:32 lisettelatah Agreed. there is a bug for adding custom fields 21329 and there was some discussion there about putting in another bug for SuggestionUnwantedFields, but no one ever put that bug in. I'll do that now.
15:32 Guest8927 but when I finished the first segment of entering data, and move into the add item section of staff client
15:33 Guest8927 it doesn't give the drop down
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15:34 Guest8927 was your suggestion only for the first segment of adding to catalogue and not the second where the items section is?
15:35 caroline_catlady the first segment was creating an authorized values list
15:36 caroline_catlady the second was going into Administration > MARC Bibliographic Framework and editing subfield 952$e to add the authorized values list
15:36 lisettelatah Added SuggestionUnwanted Fields as bug 23420
15:36 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=23420 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add "SuggestionsUnwantedFields"
15:36 caroline_catlady lisettelatah++
15:36 Guest8927 had done that :(
15:37 caroline_catlady :(
15:37 Guest8927 i did it incorrectly lol
15:37 Guest8927 i put it in advanced options and not other options > authorised values
15:37 caroline_catlady stupid question, are you using the same framework when cataloguing?
15:37 Guest8927 i'm sorry caroline
15:38 Guest8927 forgive me
15:38 Guest8927 lol
15:38 caroline_catlady ah opk!
15:38 Guest8927 trying it again
15:38 caroline_catlady good!
15:39 Guest8927 it works but not in the way i would like lol
15:40 Guest8927 952e removes the source of acquisition from items. is there a way to make it general without being restricted to framework?
15:41 caroline_catlady what do you mean it removes it?
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15:45 Guest8927 well, so after the add bibliographic holdings (if i am getting the term right)
15:45 Guest8927 the add item information part that comes after it
15:46 caroline_catlady and it's not in the item form anymore?
15:46 Guest8927 has a section for "source of acquisition"
15:46 Guest8927 since placing the option in 952$e
15:46 Guest8927 it disappears
15:46 Guest8927 yes that is correct caroline
15:47 caroline_catlady can you send me a screeshot of the framework options that you put in?
15:47 caroline_catlady (Sorry, I'm very visual)
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15:55 caroline_catlady Guest8927: I did it for one client, heres what it looks like Basic constraints  / Advanced constraints  / Other options
15:55 caroline_catlady Going to lunch bbl
16:00 Guest8927 alright cool, i am in a meeting so bbl for me too
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16:43 Guest8927 @caroline, is before adding the constraint and is after adding the constraint
16:43 huginn` Guest8927: downloading the Perl source
16:43 Guest8927 you will notice that "e" has disappeared
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17:38 caroline_catlady Guest8927: if you remove the auth values list, does the e come back?
17:46 Guest8927 from the link
17:47 Guest8927 checking
17:49 Guest8927 when i take it out and turn off 952 field it returns
17:49 caroline_catlady what do you mean by "turn off 952" ?
17:51 Guest8927 okay, when i hide 952 field from bibliographic entry, the drop down now shows in the items entry :)
17:51 Guest8927 but only for the specific framework
17:51 Guest8927 so seems i will have to set the constraint for each framework XD
17:51 caroline_catlady oh yes, that is the normal behaviour
17:52 Guest8927 okay, cool
17:52 Guest8927 thank you very much for your patience and help caroline :D
17:52 caroline_catlady no problem! I'm glad it worked in the end! :)
17:52 Guest8927 yup :)
17:52 Guest8927 now i can go on lunch as well lol
17:53 Guest8927 that's it for the day
17:53 caroline_catlady have a good lunch and weekend!
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21:43 caroline_catlady is it normal behaviour that I don't see my basket when everything in it has been received? I don't remember it that way, but maybe it is
21:43 caroline_catlady (in acquisitions)
21:43 cait yep
21:43 cait but there is a little checkbox on top
21:43 cait that will make the fully received ones visible
21:44 caroline_catlady lol, I wasn't expecting an answer at this time! I thought no one was there ;)
21:44 cait boo :)
21:44 caroline_catlady is that new (the "Show all baskets")?
21:47 cait nope
21:47 cait sorry :)
21:48 cait not sure about the exact version, but it#s been a while
21:48 cait the issue was too many baskets in the search for libraries using the module for a long time, so default is only showing the ones where not all has been received
21:48 caroline_catlady ok, just never noticed it before now :)
21:48 caroline_catlady Adding that tidbit to the manual
21:49 cait cool!
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22:19 caroline_catlady have a good weekend everyone!
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