IRC log for #koha, 2019-07-05

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01:10 mtompset tcohen, bug 6815
01:10 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6815 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , Capture member photo via webcam
02:02 mtompset Wow... getting back to an old bug finally. bug 20340
02:02 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20340 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, Needs Signoff , Ability to use authentication plugin
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04:11 mtompset Have a good day (24 hour period), #koha
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05:32 marcelr hi #koha
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06:33 reiveune hello
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06:45 fridolin hi
06:58 marcelr hi fridolin
06:58 liliputech_asu お早う御座います :)
06:58 ashimema Wow my mtompset  was busy last night. 😀
06:59 ashimema Morning #koha
06:59 ashimema No idea what that says,.. but it look cool
06:59 fridolin caturday  ?
06:59 liliputech_asu it means good morning in japanese :)
07:00 ashimema Hehe
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07:00 fridolin 🥳
07:00 * ashimema is very British... Despite the alias
07:00 ashimema Haha
07:01 alex_a bonjour
07:01 ashimema What we celebrating fridolin ?
07:01 fridolin morning ;)
07:01 ashimema Hehe
07:01 fridolin and last day before weekend
07:01 liliputech_asu damn irssi doesn't diplays emoji, I'm missing something now ><'
07:01 fridolin and summer vacations for kids
07:02 fridolin ah it was a test on purpose liliputech_asu
07:02 alex_a and summer vacations for me
07:02 ashimema It's beautiful here this morning.. though it was already 18degrees at 6am this morning.. gonna be a scorcher
07:02 fridolin maybe a font setting
07:02 liliputech_asu Weeeeeeeekend!!! oh, still a kid, doesn't have summer vacation, I'm getting screwed somehow --'
07:02 fridolin 22°C here
07:03 ashimema Fans will be on.. haha
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07:47 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23248: (QA follow-up) Consolidate 404s <[…]a67e4323e4984a15f>
07:47 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23077: Fix import of cardnumber 0 <[…]7cd57d14e513e8cae>
07:47 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23199: (follow-up) Fix tab/space issues <[…]53d4b6a6d2d5f6a01>
07:47 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23199: Added tests for Koha::Patron <[…]04cd77843dbe8e8a3>
07:47 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23248: Avoid breaking on invalid biblionumber <[…]8602424772bd46b61>
07:47 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23199: Koha::Patron->store must check 'uppercasesurname' syspref <[…]00eca8d458f644f3e>
07:47 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23083: Add tests <[…]24b1922fdde207f9f>
07:47 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23083: Fix course reserve item editing if one of the value is set to UNCHANGED <[…]a1fcd9e4c65a17be6>
07:47 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23077: Don't fill cardnumber with empty string <[…]382e2894f7b63fb37>
07:47 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 23077: Unit tests <[…]1fe4585afd96e3e20>
07:47 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21181: Make Cancel all holds not waiting if ExpireRese... <[…]228e303de05ff0328>
07:47 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21181: Unit tests <[…]361b56bf6c598c386>
07:48 marcelr ashimema: cant catch up ;)
07:48 marcelr looking at 23057
07:48 ashimema Thanks marcelr
07:49 ashimema that was challenged my understanding of that area of code I must admit
07:49 marcelr btw care for signing off 23266 ?
07:49 marcelr bug 23266
07:49 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=23266 normal, P5 - low, ---,, Needs Signoff , Add to cart fires twice on shelf page
07:49 marcelr this little bug survived a few releases alread
07:49 marcelr y
07:50 ashimema sure thing.. will take a look now :)
07:59 cait marcelr++ thx for QA
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08:19 marcelr hi cait
08:19 marcelr ashimema++ # thx for so
08:19 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #301: STILL UNSTABLE in 29 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/301/
08:22 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #808: STILL UNSTABLE in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/808/
08:24 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #318: STILL UNSTABLE in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/318/
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08:49 marcelr @later tell khall plz look at 23057
08:49 huginn` marcelr: The operation succeeded.
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09:06 vfernandes hi #koha
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10:23 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #319: STILL UNSTABLE in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/319/
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11:13 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #809: STILL UNSTABLE in 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/809/
11:17 ashimema jenkins seems upset today
11:18 ashimema but I can't replicate any of the failure locally :(
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11:42 oleonard Hi all
11:42 ashimema hello
11:43 calire hi oleonard
11:43 wahanui hi oleopard
11:45 oleonard We had a holiday yesterday, so I wasn't here. Don't know if y'all heard about it. We keep those things pretty quiet.
11:46 calire I heard there was some rain
11:47 oleonard No rain on me, I am one of the gods' favorites on account of my many animal sacrifices and good-smelling oils
11:49 cait animal mosquitos count?
11:49 oleonard Sure if you want to get rained on
11:49 cait I love rain
11:53 oleonard But seriously... It was so sunny and hot yesterday that I wanted to bury myself in a hole. Some rain would've been graet.
11:54 calire I know this feel
11:58 eythian it's quite pleasant here at the moment, fairly consistantly in the low 20s
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12:12 oleonard jajm are you around?
12:23 jajm oleonard, yes
12:23 oleonard Hi jajm, I was just testing your rebased basketgroups patch
12:23 oleonard I ran into an error... let my try to pull it up again
12:25 oleonard "DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::_dbh_execute(): Unknown column 'me.closed' in 'field list'"
12:25 oleonard This is after running updatedatabase. I hesitate to blame your patch because I don't know how to tell if it's a problem with my db (without starting from scratch)
12:27 jajm did you update dbix class schema too ?
12:27 oleonard ah, no. Thanks
12:39 oleonard That was what I needed jajm
12:48 caroline_catlady good morning!
12:51 oleonard Hi caroline_catlady
12:52 caroline_catlady do anything special yesterday oleonard?
12:52 oleonard We went to our city's fireworks show which was Wednesday evening, but nothing yesterday
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13:16 alex_a Someone here using advanced marc editor ?
13:17 alex_a !seen corilynn
13:17 AnnaBoten corilynn was last seen in #koha 2 days, 0 hours, 1 minute, and 54 seconds ago: <corilynn> but i probably can find a few other cataloging bugs to sign off
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13:35 oleonard Hi wizzyrea
13:49 vfernandes there is any way to block a new serial creation when receiving another?
13:51 cait vfernandes: can you explain what you want to do?
13:52 vfernandes example: after receiving Nº3 issue the system auto-generates Nº4 (waiting status)
13:53 cait yep, that is the expected bheaviour
13:53 cait so what is the use case, why do you not want it to do that?
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13:55 vfernandes I want to generate the serial Nº 4 (following the previous example) manually...
13:55 vfernandes and not automatically by the system
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14:01 caroline_catlady vfernandes: why do you want to create it manually instead of having it created automatically? the point of the serials module is to reduce the manual steps you have to do
14:02 vfernandes caroline_catlady: it's a client request... i think it should be configurable
14:03 caroline_catlady knowing what their end goal is might help find a solution that satisfies them
14:03 oleonard vfernandes: It would be interesting to know exactly why they requested the change. Perhaps there's an underlying issue
14:04 caroline_catlady what he said ^
14:04 oleonard what she said ^
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14:07 vfernandes they want to manual add the new serial when they want instead of the system create a new one when receiving another... the main reason is not to show on OPAC the waiting issue
14:08 oleonard I think it would be worth looking at the OPAC issue rather than the generated serial issue
14:08 oleonard i.e. Can that record be suppressed automatically somehow?
14:09 caroline_catlady I don't think suppressing the record would work because they would want to see the received issues
14:10 caroline_catlady My first thought would be JQuery
14:10 vfernandes they only want to suppress the automatically generated issue
14:10 caroline_catlady like if the status is "Waiting", then don't show it
14:11 * oleonard is not familiar enough with serials to know if the OpacHiddenItems preference could be leveraged here
14:12 caroline_catlady They would have to change the item record, but we want to save them steps
14:12 caroline_catlady because the item is only create upon receiving
14:13 vfernandes caroline_catlady: JQuery is an option but we can't hide all waiting issues...
14:13 cait yeah i would suggest the same
14:13 cait oleonard: the item is not generated there
14:13 cait no item for waiting i mean, so items are not the problem, only the serials display
14:13 cait vfernandes: why not?
14:18 vfernandes because we may be hiding numbers that we are really waiting for... this problem happens mostly in irregular subscriptions. Koha generates an automatic waiting issue, it appears on OPAC and they don't want that... they want to add it manually with waiting status and then it should appear on OPAC
14:19 cait it's not how things work right now
14:19 cait it's not possible to not generate the next issue on receiving
14:20 cait an idea for a workaround... have them enter something in the issues note they want to not show and use that for hiding it in the opac?
14:20 vfernandes humm good idea
14:20 cait yo might also be able to hide all waiting for irregular pattersn - they have no date, so look slightly different
14:21 caroline_catlady hm, I'm having trouble reproducing...
14:21 caroline_catlady I don't see my waiting issue in the opac...
14:21 cait caroline_catlady: where are you looking?
14:22 caroline_catlady subscription tab
14:22 cait le tme check one of ours
14:22 vfernandes caroline_catlady: click on more details
14:22 cait full history?
14:22 vfernandes yes
14:22 cait i see
14:22 caroline_catlady ah, I might no have full history turned on
14:23 caroline_catlady right I had brief history
14:24 vfernandes cait: insert a specific note will wokr
14:24 vfernandes *work
14:24 vfernandes specific note + jQuery
14:25 cait cool )
14:25 vfernandes thanks for the help cait, caroline_catlady and oleonard
14:26 caroline_catlady teamwork++
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14:33 cait I seem to remember there is a directory that devbox and host share... can someone remind me?
14:34 ashimema kohaclone ;)
14:34 oleonard If you have sync set up
14:34 ashimema stick anything in the source tree dir and you'll find it in both devbox and host
14:34 ashimema yes.. so long as sync is set
14:34 cait ashimema: looking for where to stick a new repo
14:34 cait so maybe not kohaclone
14:35 ashimema hmm
14:35 ashimema what are you trying to do cait?
14:35 cait I am trying ot put our xslt in their own repo
14:35 ashimema as in.. what's the problem you're solving
14:35 cait so i can commit my heart out there without our rebase getting so confusingly long
14:36 caroline_catlady I was wondering if other people customized their xslt... good to know
14:36 cait caroline_catlady: we do... but we have about 3 different files atm
14:36 ashimema doing it outside of the sync repo is going to be challenging if you're wanting to work in devbox
14:36 cait one is for a manuscript library, one is for a library that has knd of their own catalouging rules and one is standard for all the rest
14:36 ashimema (you'd have to setup a second nfs mount yourself)
14:37 ashimema might want to look into git submodules
14:37 cait hm
14:37 ashimema we often wonder the same
14:37 caroline_catlady ours are on different branches, so libraries who want their xslt customised have their own xslt on their own branch
14:37 ashimema we do customise.. but they're a darn pain to maintain
14:38 caroline_catlady ^ +1
14:38 cait caroline_catlady: we have package installations - oe package to rule them all
14:38 ashimema we have lots of different methods in the wild... :(
14:38 ashimema I've never got us to settle on one method
14:38 * ashimema liked the idea of having them in their own repo outside of koha source entirely
14:38 cait so the idea was that i will put the xslt in our main repo when i make a new rebased branch from community
14:38 cait one commit...
14:39 * oleonard is still trying to get previous XSLT customizations to work on our upgraded-to-18.11.x system
14:39 ashimema do you guys tidy your xslt's before comparing 😉 ?
14:40 ashimema as in.. canonicalised xml?
14:40 cait ?
14:40 cait you can read that as a no :)
14:40 caroline_catlady ashimema: I know blou worked a lot on keeping ours tidy (I heard a lot of swearing for his corner of the office)
14:40 cait actually i am using a utils file
14:40 ashimema $ xmllint --c14n FileA.xml > 1.xml
14:40 ashimema $ xmllint --c14n FileB.xml > 2.xml
14:40 ashimema $ diff 1.xml 2.xml
14:40 cait that i import at the top of the normal xslt
14:40 cait and then use templates
14:40 cait trying to keep changes in the origial to a minimum when possible
14:40 ashimema I never found git did a decnt job of merging
14:41 ashimema so i ended up with two commits each time
14:41 ashimema I'd take the new version from upstream.. run it through the above, then vimdiff it to the customised version from last time
14:41 oleonard Cool ashimema I was Googling the other day methods for validating XSLT
14:41 ashimema the diff was significantly easier to read
14:41 * ashimema was tempted to suggest we do that in koha core to be honest
14:42 ashimema it does things like make sure all the attributes are always in the same order
14:42 ashimema within xml blocks
14:42 caroline_catlady Is there a reason why the fields cannot be shown/hidden from the staff interface? I asked that my first week here and blou and eric just laughed in my face ;)
14:43 ashimema they were prior to the xslt template weren't they ;)?
14:43 caroline_catlady The OPAC records in the system we had in the library where I worked was completely customizable so we could arrange it how we liked it
14:43 ashimema xslt was meant to help in flexability and things
14:43 oleonard caroline_catlady: Because it's too complicated, basically
14:43 cait caroline_catlady: it works now
14:43 ashimema in rebus:list the templates were in the db and user customisable
14:43 cait the hiding
14:43 ashimema I'm sure we could do the same in koha ;)
14:44 ashimema but.. you'd never get upgrades
14:44 caroline_catlady but couldn't we minimally have an xslt with all the fields and use the OPAC and Intranet check boxes in the marc framework to hide or show the fields?
14:44 cait caroline_catlady: nope
14:44 cait well es
14:44 cait exactly that works now
14:44 caroline_catlady really?
14:44 wahanui i think really is good to have josef_moravec back.. always get a boost from seeing a bunch of signoffs :)
14:44 cait but having 'all the fields' is a big task
14:45 cait but you can totally use the visibility settings for a few versions ow
14:45 caroline_catlady I haven't tried in a while, but it never worked for me
14:45 cait which i forget all the time because it didn't use to work.
14:45 ashimema indeed
14:45 cait i think 17.11 might be the first it worked with
14:45 caroline_catlady ah ok, we only upgrade our clients with the .05, so 18.05 would have been the first to work that way
14:47 cait caroline_catlady: led to a lot of headscratching to find out why something would no longer display itht he xslt...
14:47 cait field is not visible doh.
14:47 cait because some of our fields had not the right setting, just becaue it never worked...
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14:50 caroline_catlady but it only works to hide things, not to show things, right?
14:50 caroline_catlady since the xslt doesn't have all the fields
14:51 cait yes
14:51 cait you can always file bugs to add missing fields
14:52 cait the logic is very complicated in some cases... so general templates don't work super well most of the time
14:52 cait my idea would be to do more with templates
14:52 cait like... have a template for each field
14:52 caroline_catlady i know, it really sucks. there has to be an easier way to do this
14:52 cait and allow for inheritance... overwriting them if you want
14:52 cait that way cou could get the updates in, but still do your own thing
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14:53 cait caroline_catlady: i am blaming MARC
14:53 caroline_catlady but MARC in itself is pretty straightforward no?
14:54 ashimema not really
14:54 caroline_catlady what's the new framework again? libframe?
14:54 ashimema it's not 'MARC' per say, but the logic that you can derive from it
14:54 ashimema like, the templates don't just expose fields.. they also govern a fair bit of functionality
14:54 ashimema bibframe
14:54 ashimema that's even more interlinked
14:55 caroline_catlady ah you mean the links and things
14:55 caroline_catlady but that's not really MARC, that's the thing, it would be the same even without MARC
14:56 ashimema indeed
14:56 reiveune bye
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14:56 ashimema but we tie allot of our challenging functionality into the templates
14:58 caroline_catlady other than links what are the challenging functionalities?
14:58 mtompset cait, don't blame MARC. My name has a 'k'. :P
14:59 mtompset Greetings, #koha caroline_catlady cait ashimema
14:59 ashimema I'm sure it's doable.. just challenging and costly
14:59 mtompset cait, bug 6815 ;)
14:59 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6815 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Capture member photo via webcam
14:59 * ashimema would love to jump into that one day
15:00 * mtompset gasps, "Have we lost the bot?!"
15:00 mtompset Oh there it is, huginn` you scared me for a moment. :)
15:02 mtompset ashimema, while I remember... would you and/or mirko be adverse to a bug to change squeeze-dev as the default distribution in build-git-snapshot?
15:02 oleonard mtompset: Would it be possible to do a webcam feature-check before displaying the option to take a picture?
15:02 mtompset And what about changing the default name from 16.06~git?
15:02 ashimema I'm afraid I have no idea what that means really
15:02 ashimema as in.. I understand what you mean.. but don't really have any forsight as to what any repurcussions may be.
15:04 mtompset oleonard, not sure how to do that.
15:05 mtompset I just hacked something together yesterday based on the comment from tcohen.
15:05 oleonard I look forward to trying it when I'm at a computer with a webcam
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15:06 mtompset ashimema, given that we don't support jessie, I don't see a problem with changing squeeze-dev to stretch. The issue that might get weird is the 16.06~git change.
15:06 ashimema indeed
15:07 ashimema well.. I'm game for the change and really will go with the advice given by people closer to the problem than me ;)
15:07 ashimema like tcohen, yourself and mirko ;)
15:07 ashimema sorry.. that's a bit of a duck out
15:08 ashimema happy to email Mirko to get him involved though.. sometimes it needs a more direct aproach to catch him these days
15:08 oleonard sad-face
15:13 ashimema mason may also be a good one to ask.. as the other packaging maint
15:13 cait sorry, wa s not around for a bit - packing up to leave the office
15:15 cait have a nice weekend all!
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16:00 tcohen hi all
16:02 tcohen oleonard: why the sad-face?
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16:03 oleonard tcohen: because we don't see drojf around much anymore
16:05 cait he is usually not on irc, but was really fast when i messed with one of his bugs this morning
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16:09 wizzyrea hi everybody
16:10 ashimema random question for you wizzyrea..
16:10 ashimema how do you have your branches and remotes setup for release maintanence?
16:11 * ashimema has 'upstream' as my names remote that points to community git and '19.06.x' as my branch
16:11 * ashimema had 18.11.x and 18.05.x as branches whilst he was rmaint
16:11 ashimema just checking if I was doing the 'norm' or was a bit random
16:12 ashimema (in relation to updating the koha release tools additions I've made for updating bz on push to be more widely usable)
16:18 ashimema mwah.. it's late on a friday.. I'm gonna go join the family..
16:18 ashimema have a good weekend all
16:23 cait you too!
16:26 ashimema @later tell wizzyrea On monday lets talk about koha-push in the release tools repo.. I 'think' in most cases it should work for rmaints now...  but I need to document it and wouldn't mind some feedback for if it's actually usefull to that broader audience
16:26 huginn` ashimema: The operation succeeded.
16:26 ashimema laters #koha
16:26 ashimema bbq time :)
16:26 mtompset Have a good weekend ashimema
16:27 mtompset oleonard, I have attempted a webcam detect/show, not-detected/hide patch on bug 6815.
16:27 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6815 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Capture member photo via webcam
16:27 oleonard cool
16:27 mtompset but as the commit says, it is hard to test on a laptop with webcam built in. :)
16:31 oleonard Looks to me like it works
16:37 mtompset even when you unplug the webcam?
16:38 oleonard It works for me in that I have no webcam and it correctly hides the option
16:41 mtompset Sweet!
16:41 mtompset I successfully tested it on my windows box, running kohadevbox on my laptop.
16:41 mtompset Plugged and unplugged. :)
16:41 mtompset had to use FireFox.
16:42 oleonard Why?
16:42 mtompset Had problems with Chrome.
16:42 mtompset I suspect my privacy extensions are getting in the way.
16:44 mtompset Though, I think I may have read somewhere that Chrome won't play nice unless you have https.
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17:28 oleonard Bye all
17:43 mtompset tcohen, added an issue and a PR to kohadevbox. :)
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17:52 * tcohen saw
17:53 tcohen mtompset: I expected you to fix the 'how to resize the VM filesystem issue' as well :-D
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17:58 tcohen cait: if you start a wiki page about plugin hooks I can write some lines about the ones I've just added (after_biblio_action and after_item_action)
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18:02 cait i probably coul dnot do more then really start it
18:03 cait https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Koha_Plugin_Hooks
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18:06 mtompset tcohen, that one is harder.
18:11 cait tcohen: ^
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18:39 tcohen cait: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Implemented_hooks
18:40 cait tcohen: could you maybe rephrase the first sentence?
18:40 cait i have no idea what it means
18:41 tcohen I will ask a native speaker
18:41 cait but htank you :)
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18:43 * cait waves at khall :)
18:43 cait tcohen: it could be me :)
18:43 tcohen what do you mean?
18:43 wahanui i think do you mean is the only place where a hold gets placed?
18:43 cait not understsanding it
18:44 cait wahanui: forget what do you mean?
18:44 wahanui cait, I didn't have anything matching what do you mean
18:44 tcohen khall: can you rephrase https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Implemented_hooks so humans can read it?
18:44 * cait might not be human
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20:30 martin_ hello i'am having trouble removing an instance in koha
20:32 caroline_catlady what do you mean by instance?
20:43 martin_ sudo koha-remove librarian Removing Koha instance librarian ERROR 1133 (28000) at line 1: Can't find any matching row in the user table
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22:49 caroline_catlady have a good weekend all!
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