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reiveune |
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wahanui |
salut, reiveune |
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cait |
alex_a: if yo ucould still take a look at the sru bug that would be awesome |
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cait |
alex_a: most of all make sure no regressions... so it might still go in |
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alex_a |
cait, i planned that for thursday |
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cait |
hm cutting it close, but I'll take it ;) |
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cait |
alex_a++ |
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ashimema |
Sorry I didn't get further with that one alex_a , cait. .. it just ended up a tad too far outside my comfort zone in a few too many ways for me to feel confident continuing to work through it.. especially at this stage. There's some fairly funky clever code in there which is further reaching than I thought it would be |
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ashimema |
Good luck |
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Archie^ |
Hey everyone! i've translated a lot of opac and intra into Latvian language, where can i upload these files? |
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ashimema |
https://translate.koha-community.org/ |
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ashimema |
Archie^: you'll need to request an account |
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vfernandes |
talking about koha translate project, something is strange with 19.05 portuguese translation (https://translate.koha-community.org/pt/) |
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vfernandes |
1 critical, 8 incomplete... but when you click on them it says "No results." |
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hmm... is there a way to categorize books in what library "part" they are? As in "kids section" or "in reserves" |
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magnuse |
Archie^: you can use either "location" (authorized value category LOC) or "collection" (authorized value category CCODE) for that, on the item level |
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News from kohagit: Bug 22816: OPAC detail holdings table should now look a bit better <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ceb9d99bc1c109be9> |
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huginn` |
News from kohagit: Bug 22813: (follow-up) Add missing condition <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f200b307144bd02cf> |
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huginn` |
News from kohagit: Bug 22813: remove repetitive queries inside two nested loops in searchResults <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]06f82245e07d54759> |
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huginn` |
News from kohagit: Bug 22808: Move Cache.t to db_dependent <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]baa1d1565d8d36220> |
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huginn` |
News from kohagit: Bug 22787: Add mapping of letters "ů" and "Å®" to zebra definitions <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e8c493919c6362c15> |
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huginn` |
News from kohagit: Bug 22800: (bug 22550 follow-up) Do not raw filter when not necessary (OPAC suggestions) <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a05a109e8f66d4fdf> |
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News from kohagit: Bug 22791: Unify calculation between aqui-home and ordered.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5196019f6b36251c0> |
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huginn` |
News from kohagit: Bug 22527: web installer links to outdated DB manual <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]403bb621115b27c83> |
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huginn` |
News from kohagit: Bug 22453: Make TestBuilder generates dates taking into account the timezone <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ab3c38c7154b7fa1c> |
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huginn` |
News from kohagit: Bug 22420: Remove wrong calculation on approved tags <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]01088b06857968f42> |
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huginn` |
News from kohagit: Bug 21671: Prevent Modifications.t to fail randomly <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]75b280ee8eec98955> |
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huginn` |
News from kohagit: Bug 21036: Remove odd number of elements warnings from AuthoritiesMarc.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1a81fd216d66a1379> |
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huginn` |
News from kohagit: Bug 21036: Fix warnings from C4/Biblio <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]eb4fd590e5c451513> |
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huginn` |
News from kohagit: Bug 21036: Fix uninitialized value within @itemnumber in string ne <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]39ec53082cdd90f24> |
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cait |
nicest noise ever |
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bring the noise! |
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fridolin |
hi |
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magnuse |
bonjour fridolin |
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wizzyrea |
hi |
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calire |
hi wizzyrea |
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ashimema |
not so nice noise.. UNSTABLE ;) |
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wizzyrea |
hm that |
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wizzyrea |
is rather odd |
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wizzyrea |
er |
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wizzyrea |
maybe not |
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ashimema |
Lol |
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wizzyrea |
ok it seems that currently, the default checkout hold and return policy rules override the all-all rule? |
| 14:28 |
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wizzyrea |
is that expected? |
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wizzyrea |
so for example if you have total current checkouts allowed 1 |
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wizzyrea |
and an all all rule with 2 |
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wizzyrea |
which one should apply? |
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wizzyrea |
all-all feels like a global default rule to me |
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wizzyrea |
or library default |
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wizzyrea |
maybe you shouldn't be able to set it to a value less than an existing all-all rule |
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wizzyrea |
joubu, tcohen, kidclamp ^ thoughts? |
| 14:31 |
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kidclamp |
the tables under the circ rules should override the general circ rules |
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ashimema |
I'm inclined to agree with your logic there wizzyrea |
| 14:32 |
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kidclamp |
all-all is poorly named - "All else" is more accurate - the rule of last resort - only use if you have nothing else |
| 14:32 |
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wizzyrea |
then we have a lot of terminology problems in the rules |
| 14:32 |
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ashimema |
No, sorry, kidclamp is right.. the all-all is the fallback rule isn't it.. so you should be able to override it in either direction I would have thought |
| 14:33 |
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kidclamp |
you read that page from the bottom section to the top section, then the top section from the top to the bottom :-) |
| 14:33 |
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kidclamp |
simple really |
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wizzyrea |
you're funny ^.^ |
| 14:33 |
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wizzyrea |
so really |
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wizzyrea |
that table should be above the main rules |
| 14:33 |
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wizzyrea |
that default checkout hold and return policy table |
| 14:34 |
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wizzyrea |
anyway, you don't consider it a bug that the rule can be set in a confusing way |
| 14:35 |
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wizzyrea |
(I really just don't feel like it's clear which values are the be all end all buck stops here rule) |
| 14:36 |
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wizzyrea |
also that 2nd table of defaults, it's not reflected in the instructions above |
| 14:36 |
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wizzyrea |
maybe that's all that really needs to be done, is add that to the instructions at the top |
| 14:36 |
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wizzyrea |
though I'm really wondering why we have those rules at all. |
| 14:37 |
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wizzyrea |
for people who don't define an all-all? |
| 14:40 |
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wizzyrea |
sorry this just feels to me like a "cut the end off the ham" problem (i.e. granddaughter always cuts the end off of the ham, wasting a lot of ham, because granny always did, asks granny why, granny says "to make it fit in the pan") |
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wizzyrea |
granddaughter doesn't have the pan size constraint, so wasting the ham was dumb. |
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kidclamp |
the second table does some diferent stuff |
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kidclamp |
all-all saying 10 checkouts allowed means 10 for any patron/categroy not defined |
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kidclamp |
the second table says 10 total - so you can reach the limit of any category, but 10 overall |
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kidclamp |
sort of a n overarching implementation of 21946 |
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* kidclamp |
runs off |
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wizzyrea |
bye |
| 14:43 |
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wizzyrea |
alright I will accept that answer :) |
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wizzyrea |
I like to avoid/eliminate granny ham problems |
| 14:43 |
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wizzyrea |
but this doesn't seem like it is one. |
| 14:50 |
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wizzyrea |
ashimema, about? |
| 14:50 |
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wizzyrea |
unrelated to all of that biz |
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wizzyrea |
checking out an item with a rental fee seems to cause Can't call method "lengthunit" on an undefined value at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/Koha/Charges/Fees.pm line 101 |
| 14:51 |
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tcohen |
rules apply from more specific to global |
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tcohen |
so all-all is the fallback |
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wizzyrea |
yeah I think I've got it now - it still seems weird that you can set a global rule that's less than all all |
| 14:52 |
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wizzyrea |
but the use case dictates that no one *should* ever do that |
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* ashimema |
was on school run |
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ashimema |
reads back |
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wizzyrea |
it manages to add both the fee and the issue |
| 14:55 |
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wizzyrea |
but it bombs in between |
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wizzyrea |
maybe I don't have a syspref set? |
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ashimema |
wierd |
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ashimema |
let me remind myself what that code looks like ;() |
| 14:57 |
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wizzyrea |
trying to think of what we've added lately that might cause that |
| 14:57 |
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wizzyrea |
it happens in master |
| 14:58 |
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ashimema |
wierd.. I wouldn't have thought it possible to fail to find an issuing rule |
| 14:58 |
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ashimema |
perhaps I'm overlooking something in `get_effective_issuing_rule` |
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wizzyrea |
there is something funny because |
| 14:59 |
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wizzyrea |
i went and set a rule for that specific type |
| 14:59 |
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wizzyrea |
and now it's fine |
| 14:59 |
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wizzyrea |
so it's like it wasn't seeing all-all |
| 14:59 |
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Joubu |
wizzyrea: there is no check at all on the rules, you can insert whatever you want |
| 15:00 |
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wizzyrea |
right ok |
| 15:00 |
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wizzyrea |
oh actually |
| 15:00 |
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wizzyrea |
I had no all-all rule only the default policies |
| 15:00 |
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wizzyrea |
which don't have a unit |
| 15:00 |
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wizzyrea |
no hourly loans on the default rules |
| 15:01 |
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wizzyrea |
that |
| 15:01 |
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wizzyrea |
is exactly it |
| 15:01 |
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wizzyrea |
I had no all-all rule defined |
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wizzyrea |
only the default rule |
| 15:02 |
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wizzyrea |
theoretically that shouldn't happen to libraries |
| 15:02 |
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wizzyrea |
sorry to be so chatty :/ |
| 15:02 |
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wizzyrea |
the onboarder makes sure that all new koha installs have an all-all rule it should be hard to get there |
| 15:02 |
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ashimema |
no worries.. that's interesting to know |
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reiveune |
byye |
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wizzyrea |
to get it to die like that anyway |
| 15:03 |
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ashimema |
I wonder if we aught to be validating the rules more strictly.. I clearly pressume `get_effective_issuing_rule` will always return me something meaningful |
| 15:03 |
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Joubu |
there is a "no rule" warning displayed somewhere |
| 15:03 |
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ashimema |
I think there are likely lots of other places that do the same |
| 15:04 |
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wizzyrea |
this is what you get for asking me to test the rules i'm gonna try to break it :P |
| 15:04 |
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Joubu |
NO_RULE_DEFINED - only for maxissueqty actually |
| 15:04 |
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ashimema |
I vaguely remember digging into it once a while back.. I have this funny feeling that I raised it at the time that Circulation.pm has a funny hard coded 'do this if nothing else is defined' rule |
| 15:04 |
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wizzyrea |
yeah there's a superfallback |
| 15:04 |
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ashimema |
brb.. kids calling |
| 15:04 |
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wizzyrea |
like, it's a skellie rule |
| 15:05 |
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wizzyrea |
it allows issuing if there are no rules at all. |
| 15:05 |
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wizzyrea |
i'm sure there are things to be fixed here but now isn't probably the time |
| 15:06 |
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Joubu |
but it would be interesting to keep track of them :) |
| 15:06 |
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wizzyrea |
i'm honestly not sure how best to express what needs fixing besides |
| 15:06 |
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wizzyrea |
gol dern this is confusing |
| 15:12 |
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wizzyrea |
what about, if we have an all-all rule for a library |
| 15:13 |
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wizzyrea |
we put the maxissues value into the default checkout policy value |
| 15:13 |
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wizzyrea |
if it's greater than what's there |
| 15:13 |
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wizzyrea |
i feel like people would expect that the absolute maximum would be the same as all-all |
| 15:14 |
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wizzyrea |
if you choose not to have an all-all |
| 15:14 |
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wizzyrea |
or the value in your all-all is less than the default value, leave it alone |
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ashimema |
it's in C4::Circulation::GetLoanLength I was thinking about btw |
| 15:16 |
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ashimema |
that was yet another thing on my long todo list I never got to |
| 15:17 |
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ashimema |
sure I recorded it in a bug somewhere |
| 15:17 |
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ashimema |
https://github.com/Koha-Commun[…]on.pm#L1595-L1599 |
| 15:17 |
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wizzyrea |
oh the fallback's fallback/ |
| 15:18 |
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wizzyrea |
that's been around as long as I can remember, probably from version1 |
| 15:18 |
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ashimema |
it goes all the way through an interesting fallback, fallback, fallback loop |
| 15:18 |
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ashimema |
and then finally gives up and sets a hard coded rules of '0' days, '0' renewals and 'lengthunit' of `days` |
| 15:18 |
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ashimema |
mmm |
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wizzyrea |
oh it's a bit weird then that it would have died with the lengthunit isn't it |
| 15:19 |
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ashimema |
kinda scary hard codery.. but I could effectively do the exact same thing to squash the warning we get above |
| 15:19 |
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wizzyrea |
without an all-all rule |
| 15:19 |
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ashimema |
not sure it exactly makes sense to though |
| 15:19 |
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ashimema |
get_effective doesn't do the same |
| 15:20 |
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ashimema |
my comment way back was that perhaps it should |
| 15:20 |
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ashimema |
but I don't think we reached a conclusion.. |
| 15:20 |
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ashimema |
sure I talked to tcohen and Joubu about it at the time |
| 15:20 |
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ashimema |
probably near the end of the last cycle.. or perhaps the beggning of this one |
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Joubu |
I guess we deal with it on bug 18936. |
| 15:30 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18936 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Convert issuingrules fields to circulation_rules |
| 15:31 |
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ashimema |
oh.. interesting. |
| 15:32 |
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ashimema |
Not sure that's one I've looked at yet |
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wizzyrea |
testing those is actually quite challenging |
| 15:47 |
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wizzyrea |
imo |
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Joubu |
sure it is! |
| 15:48 |
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wizzyrea |
i had to take a break and rest my brain! |
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ashimema |
haha.. yup |
| 15:50 |
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ashimema |
they certainly are challenging to test |
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huginn` |
News from kohagit: Bug 22527: (RM follow-up) Add filter <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]64cf6da87bef93c80> |
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ashimema |
kidclamp++ |
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koha-jenkins |
Yippee, build fixed! |
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wahanui |
Congratulations! |
| 16:25 |
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koha-jenkins |
Project Koha_Master_D9 build #723: FIXED in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/723/ |
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koha-jenkins |
Project Koha_Master_U18 build #218: STILL UNSTABLE in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/218/ |
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koha-jenkins |
Yippee, build fixed! |
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wahanui |
Congratulations! |
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koha-jenkins |
Project Koha_Master_D8 build #232: FIXED in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/232/ |
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koha-jenkins |
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koha-jenkins |
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* cait |
waves |
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wizzyrea |
hi cait |
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cait |
hello |
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koha-jenkins |
Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #265: UNSTABLE in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.05_D9/265/ |
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wizzyrea |
@later tell rangi you should have a look at bug 19919 - how would Horowhenua feel if that functionality went away? |
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huginn` |
wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
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rangi |
updated the bug wizzyrea |
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wizzyrea |
champion :D |
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@seen lucasG |
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cait: I have not seen lucasG. |
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@seen lucasg |
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Hey everyone, Marc import question here. I finially have imports working with items! Yay! But, now I have a new problem: Mulitiple copies of books. This is the current import I am using: |
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=952 $aNHS$bNHS$yBOOK$pT 80476$pT 22838$pT 23634 |
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As you can see, I have 3 $p entries. (Yes, the spaces are part of the barcodes. ugh.) But when I import this, it comes in as one book/item. Any way to make sure it imports this as 3 different items? |
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cait |
yes |
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cait |
you need to make 3 =952 |
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cait |
each one represents one item |
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Ah... Ok. That makes sense... hrm.. is there a "for each" in MarcEditor? I'll have to research... Thanks! |
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cait |
i tihnk there are some notes on the internet if you look for marcedit and Koha |
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cait |
different people have written up stuff, but I personally have not much experience |
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Thanks again. I appreciate it. |
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you are welcome |
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cait |
where ar you from? |
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Washington State. |
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MWR: South of Germany |
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Isn't it midnight where you are? You should go to bed. Sm:)e. |
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