IRC log for #koha, 2019-05-07

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06:40 reiveune hello
06:40 wahanui salut, reiveune
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07:01 alex_a bonjour
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08:01 cait alex_a: if yo ucould still take a look at the sru bug that would be awesome
08:02 cait alex_a: most of all make sure no regressions... so it might still go in
08:04 alex_a cait, i planned that for thursday
08:04 cait hm cutting it close, but I'll take it ;)
08:13 cait alex_a++
08:28 ashimema Sorry I didn't get further with that one alex_a , cait. .. it just ended up a tad too far outside my comfort zone in a few too many ways for me to feel confident continuing to work through it.. especially at this stage.  There's some fairly funky clever code in there which is further reaching than I thought it would be
08:28 ashimema Good luck
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09:55 Archie^ Hey everyone! i've translated a lot of opac and intra into Latvian language, where can i upload these files?
10:01 ashimema
10:08 ashimema Archie^: you'll need to request an account
10:22 vfernandes talking about koha translate project, something is strange with 19.05 portuguese translation (
10:23 vfernandes 1 critical, 8 incomplete... but when you click on them it says "No results."
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10:57 Archie^ hmm... is there a way to categorize books in what library "part" they are? As in "kids section" or "in reserves"
11:08 magnuse Archie^: you can use either "location" (authorized value category LOC) or "collection" (authorized value category CCODE) for that, on the item level
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11:44 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22816: OPAC detail holdings table should now look a bit better <[…]ceb9d99bc1c109be9>
11:44 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22813: (follow-up) Add missing condition <[…]f200b307144bd02cf>
11:44 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22813: remove repetitive queries inside two nested loops in searchResults <[…]06f82245e07d54759>
11:44 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22808: Move Cache.t to db_dependent <[…]baa1d1565d8d36220>
11:44 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22787: Add mapping of letters "ů" and "Å®" to zebra definitions <[…]e8c493919c6362c15>
11:44 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22800: (bug 22550 follow-up) Do not raw filter when not necessary (OPAC suggestions) <[…]a05a109e8f66d4fdf>
11:44 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22791: Unify calculation between aqui-home and <[…]5196019f6b36251c0>
11:44 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22527: web installer links to outdated DB manual <[…]403bb621115b27c83>
11:44 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22453: Make TestBuilder generates dates taking into account the timezone <[…]ab3c38c7154b7fa1c>
11:44 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22420: Remove wrong calculation on approved tags <[…]01088b06857968f42>
11:44 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21671: Prevent Modifications.t to fail randomly <[…]75b280ee8eec98955>
11:44 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21036: Remove odd number of elements warnings from <[…]1a81fd216d66a1379>
11:44 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21036: Fix warnings from C4/Biblio <[…]eb4fd590e5c451513>
11:44 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21036: Fix uninitialized value within @itemnumber in string ne <[…]39ec53082cdd90f24>
11:46 cait nicest noise ever
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12:08 magnuse bring the noise!
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13:01 fridolin hi
13:06 magnuse bonjour fridolin
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13:45 wizzyrea hi
13:46 calire hi wizzyrea
13:50 ashimema not so nice noise.. UNSTABLE ;)
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14:24 wizzyrea hm that
14:24 wizzyrea is rather odd
14:24 wizzyrea er
14:24 wizzyrea maybe not
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14:27 ashimema Lol
14:28 wizzyrea ok it seems that currently, the default checkout hold and return policy rules override the all-all rule?
14:28 wizzyrea is that expected?
14:28 wizzyrea so for example if you have total current checkouts allowed 1
14:28 wizzyrea and an all all rule with 2
14:28 wizzyrea which one should apply?
14:29 wizzyrea all-all feels like a global default rule to me
14:29 wizzyrea or library default
14:29 wizzyrea maybe you shouldn't be able to set it to a value less than an existing all-all rule
14:30 wizzyrea joubu, tcohen, kidclamp ^ thoughts?
14:31 kidclamp the tables under the circ rules should override the general circ rules
14:31 ashimema I'm inclined to agree with your logic there wizzyrea
14:32 kidclamp all-all is poorly named - "All else" is more accurate - the rule of last resort - only use if you have nothing else
14:32 wizzyrea then we have a lot of terminology problems in the rules
14:32 ashimema No, sorry, kidclamp is right.. the all-all is the fallback rule isn't it.. so you should be able to override it in either direction I would have thought
14:33 kidclamp you read that page from the bottom section to the top section, then the top section from the top to the bottom :-)
14:33 kidclamp simple really
14:33 wizzyrea you're funny ^.^
14:33 wizzyrea so really
14:33 wizzyrea that table should be above the main rules
14:33 wizzyrea that default checkout hold and return policy table
14:34 wizzyrea anyway, you don't consider it a bug that the rule can be set in a confusing way
14:35 wizzyrea (I really just don't feel like it's clear which values are the be all end all buck stops here rule)
14:36 wizzyrea also that 2nd table of defaults, it's not reflected in the instructions above
14:36 wizzyrea maybe that's all that really needs to be done, is add that to the instructions at the top
14:36 wizzyrea though I'm really wondering why we have those rules at all.
14:37 wizzyrea for people who don't define an all-all?
14:40 wizzyrea sorry this just feels to me like a "cut the end off the ham" problem (i.e. granddaughter always cuts the end off of the ham, wasting a lot of ham, because granny always did, asks granny why, granny says "to make it fit in the pan")
14:41 wizzyrea granddaughter doesn't have the pan size constraint, so wasting the ham was dumb.
14:41 kidclamp the second table does some diferent stuff
14:41 kidclamp all-all saying 10 checkouts allowed means 10 for any patron/categroy not defined
14:42 kidclamp the second table says 10 total - so you can reach the limit of any category, but 10 overall
14:42 kidclamp sort of a n overarching implementation of 21946
14:42 * kidclamp runs off
14:42 wizzyrea bye
14:43 wizzyrea alright I will accept that answer :)
14:43 wizzyrea I like to avoid/eliminate granny ham problems
14:43 wizzyrea but this doesn't seem like it is one.
14:50 wizzyrea ashimema, about?
14:50 wizzyrea unrelated to all of that biz
14:51 wizzyrea checking out an item with a rental fee seems to cause Can't call method "lengthunit" on an undefined value at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/Koha/Charges/ line 101
14:51 tcohen rules apply from more specific to global
14:51 tcohen so all-all is the fallback
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14:52 wizzyrea yeah I think I've got it now - it still seems weird that you can set a global rule that's less than all all
14:52 wizzyrea but the use case dictates that no one *should* ever do that
14:53 * ashimema was on school run
14:53 ashimema reads back
14:55 wizzyrea it manages to add both the fee and the issue
14:55 wizzyrea but it bombs in between
14:55 wizzyrea maybe I don't have a syspref set?
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14:56 ashimema wierd
14:57 ashimema let me remind myself what that code looks like ;()
14:57 wizzyrea trying to think of what we've added lately that might cause that
14:57 wizzyrea it happens in master
14:58 ashimema wierd.. I wouldn't have thought it possible to fail to find an issuing rule
14:58 ashimema perhaps I'm overlooking something in `get_effective_issuing_rule`
14:59 wizzyrea there is something funny because
14:59 wizzyrea i went and set a rule for that specific type
14:59 wizzyrea and now it's fine
14:59 wizzyrea so it's like it wasn't seeing all-all
14:59 Joubu wizzyrea: there is no check at all on the rules, you can insert whatever you want
15:00 wizzyrea right ok
15:00 wizzyrea oh actually
15:00 wizzyrea I had no all-all rule only the default policies
15:00 wizzyrea which don't have a unit
15:00 wizzyrea no hourly loans on the default rules
15:01 wizzyrea that
15:01 wizzyrea is exactly it
15:01 wizzyrea I had no all-all rule defined
15:01 wizzyrea only the default rule
15:02 wizzyrea theoretically that shouldn't happen to libraries
15:02 wizzyrea sorry to be so chatty :/
15:02 wizzyrea the onboarder makes sure that all new koha installs have an all-all rule it should be hard to get there
15:02 ashimema no worries.. that's interesting to know
15:03 reiveune byye
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15:03 wizzyrea to get it to die like that anyway
15:03 ashimema I wonder if we aught to be validating the rules more strictly.. I clearly pressume `get_effective_issuing_rule` will always return me something meaningful
15:03 Joubu there is a "no rule" warning displayed somewhere
15:03 ashimema I think there are likely lots of other places that do the same
15:04 wizzyrea this is what you get for asking me to test the rules i'm gonna try to break it :P
15:04 Joubu NO_RULE_DEFINED - only for maxissueqty actually
15:04 ashimema I vaguely remember digging into it once a while back.. I have this funny feeling that I raised it at the time that has a funny hard coded 'do this if nothing else is defined' rule
15:04 wizzyrea yeah there's a superfallback
15:04 ashimema brb.. kids calling
15:04 wizzyrea like, it's a skellie rule
15:05 wizzyrea it allows issuing if there are no rules at all.
15:05 wizzyrea i'm sure there are things to be fixed here but now isn't probably the time
15:06 Joubu but it would be interesting to keep track of them :)
15:06 wizzyrea i'm honestly not sure how best to express what needs fixing besides
15:06 wizzyrea gol dern this is confusing
15:12 wizzyrea what about, if we have an all-all rule for a library
15:13 wizzyrea we put the maxissues value into the default checkout policy value
15:13 wizzyrea if it's greater than what's there
15:13 wizzyrea i feel like people would expect that the absolute maximum would be the same as all-all
15:14 wizzyrea if you choose not to have an all-all
15:14 wizzyrea or the value in your all-all is less than the default value, leave it alone
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15:16 ashimema it's in C4::Circulation::GetLoanLength I was thinking about btw
15:16 ashimema that was yet another thing on my long todo list I never got to
15:17 ashimema sure I recorded it in a bug somewhere
15:17 ashimema[…]
15:17 wizzyrea oh the fallback's fallback/
15:18 wizzyrea that's been around as long as I can remember, probably from version1
15:18 ashimema it goes all the way through an interesting fallback, fallback, fallback loop
15:18 ashimema and then finally gives up and sets a hard coded rules of '0' days, '0' renewals and 'lengthunit' of `days`
15:18 ashimema mmm
15:19 wizzyrea oh it's a bit weird then that it would have died with the lengthunit isn't it
15:19 ashimema kinda scary hard codery.. but I could effectively do the exact same thing to squash the warning we get above
15:19 wizzyrea without an all-all rule
15:19 ashimema not sure it exactly makes sense to though
15:19 ashimema get_effective doesn't do the same
15:20 ashimema my comment way back was that perhaps it should
15:20 ashimema but I don't think we reached a conclusion..
15:20 ashimema sure I talked to tcohen and Joubu about it at the time
15:20 ashimema probably near the end of the last cycle.. or perhaps the beggning of this one
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15:30 Joubu I guess we deal with it on bug 18936.
15:30 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=18936 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Convert issuingrules fields to circulation_rules
15:31 ashimema oh.. interesting.
15:32 ashimema Not sure that's one I've looked at yet
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15:47 wizzyrea testing those is actually quite challenging
15:47 wizzyrea imo
15:48 Joubu sure it is!
15:48 wizzyrea i had to take a break and rest my brain!
15:50 ashimema haha.. yup
15:50 ashimema they certainly are challenging to test
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15:59 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22527: (RM follow-up) Add filter <[…]64cf6da87bef93c80>
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16:07 ashimema kidclamp++
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16:25 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
16:25 wahanui Congratulations!
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16:44 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
16:44 wahanui Congratulations!
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17:10 * cait waves
17:10 wizzyrea hi cait
17:10 cait hello
17:28 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #265: UNSTABLE in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.05_D9/265/
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19:29 wizzyrea @later tell rangi you should have a look at bug 19919 - how would Horowhenua feel if that functionality went away?
19:29 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
19:48 rangi updated the bug wizzyrea
19:48 wizzyrea champion :D
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21:34 huginn` cait: I have not seen lucasG.
21:34 cait @seen lucasg
21:34 huginn` cait: I have not seen lucasg.
21:50 MWR Hey everyone, Marc import question here. I finially have imports working with items! Yay! But, now I have a new problem: Mulitiple copies of books. This is the current import I am using:
21:50 MWR =952  $aNHS$bNHS$yBOOK$pT 80476$pT 22838$pT 23634
21:51 MWR As you can see, I have 3 $p entries. (Yes, the spaces are part of the barcodes. ugh.) But when I import this, it comes in as one book/item. Any way to make sure it imports this as 3 different items?
21:51 cait yes
21:51 cait you need to make 3 =952
21:52 cait each one represents one item
21:52 MWR Ah... Ok. That makes sense... hrm.. is there a "for each" in MarcEditor? I'll have to research... Thanks!
21:53 cait i tihnk there are some notes on the internet if you look for marcedit and Koha
21:53 cait different people have written up stuff, but I personally have not much experience
21:54 MWR Thanks again. I appreciate it.
21:57 cait you are welcome
21:57 cait where ar you from?
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22:05 MWR Washington State.
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22:11 cait MWR: South of Germany
22:12 MWR Isn't it midnight where you are? You should go to bed. Sm:)e.
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