IRC log for #koha, 2019-04-11

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04:55 librartech hi
04:55 librartech any one can help
04:56 librartech i can make a place hold on koha
04:56 librartech the message is "There are no items that can be place on Hold "
04:56 librartech can you help check please
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05:10 gtb hi
05:10 wahanui kia ora, gtb
05:12 gtb i am stuck with a new install of koha and books wont check in due to a data issue
05:12 gtb where is the best place to describe the issue to get support please?
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06:43 reiveune hello
06:43 wahanui hola, reiveune
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06:43 alex_a bonjour
06:43 wahanui que tal, alex_a
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07:09 ashimema bug 18584 - QA sprint..
07:09 ashimema on your marks
07:09 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=18584 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Our legacy code contains trailing-spaces
07:09 ashimema set
07:09 ashimema go....
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07:19 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software
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08:20 cait morning #koha
08:26 ashimema good morning cait
08:26 ashimema one to lighten your day.. bug 18584
08:26 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=18584 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Our legacy code contains trailing-spaces
08:26 ashimema plus.. it'll make own happy
08:27 cait it will be done before own appears
08:27 cait bug 22682 - spam?
08:27 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22682 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Billing - Billing Rest API is not working as expected
08:28 cait we don't have any billing api in 18.05 as far as i cantell
08:33 ashimema Billing..what's Billing
08:33 ashimema lol
08:36 cait i thought maybe invoices or accounts
08:36 cait but to my knowledge there is neither
08:36 ashimema :confused:
08:37 ashimema feels like perhaps they're looking at another Koha
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08:55 sab_ i am struggling to get inventory report. is there a way to run command through terminal our size of total barcodes is more than 1 lakh even if we split this file how will report be generated
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10:07 * oleonard waves
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10:29 sab_ i am struggling to get inventory report. is there a way to run command through terminal our size of total barcodes is more than 1 lakh even if we split this file how will report be generated
10:29 wahanui i already had it that way, sab_.
10:29 sab_ but how to exactly handle
10:29 oleonard sab_: Ignore wahanui, he's a bot
10:30 sab_ my browser throws error and no report
10:30 sab_ oh
10:30 sab_ sorry
10:30 oleonard sab_: I don't know much about inventory, but I'm curious why splitting the file isn't a possibility
10:32 sab_ splitting file has limitation of how many lines
10:32 sab_ i tried that as well
10:32 sab_ i am surprised how all other libraries handling this part
10:32 sab_ i searched a lot on irc log then mailing list archive but very little information is found
10:33 oleonard Have you tried asking on the mailing list?
10:33 sab_ i did nt ask
10:33 sab_ i will now then ask
10:33 sab_ but thought if anyone can help on irc
10:34 oleonard sab_: You never know who is going to be around on IRC, this just turned out to be a bad time
10:34 sab_ ok ok
10:34 sab_ thnx
10:34 sab_ wll put up on mailing list
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10:50 vfernandes hi #koha
10:53 vfernandes i'm getting this error updating from an older 3.20 installation
10:53 vfernandes Use of uninitialized value in multiplication (*) at /KEEPS/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/insta​ller/data/mysql/ line 13571. Upgrade to done (Bug 13323 - Change the tax rate on receiving)
10:53 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13323 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, CLOSED FIXED, Change the tax rate on receiving
10:54 vfernandes the problem is that tax_order (previously called gstrate) is NULL in every aqorder
10:55 vfernandes what I can do to avoid the error? set tax_order = 1?
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11:00 oleonard Hi vfernandes and josef_moravec
11:01 josef_moravec hi oleonard
11:01 wahanui hi oleopard
11:02 tcohen morning all
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11:12 kidclamp morning
11:12 marcelr hi kidclamp
11:15 magnuse \o/
11:19 ashimema morning gang from afar
11:26 oleonard Now that we're all here, let's break some stuff!!
11:31 * kidclamp grabs his hammer
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11:50 cait kidclamp: not very subtle :)
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11:56 cait ashimema++
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12:52 oleonard cait++
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13:07 coyas hello
13:07 coyas someone here
13:07 oleonard Yes coyas ask a question if you have one
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13:08 coyas i remove data from koha database, it is still show that data when i search for it
13:10 coyas I search for this issue on the net
13:10 coyas but no success
13:11 oleonard Was that your message to the Koha list earlier?
13:12 oleonard coyas: How did you remove the data from the database?
13:17 coyas i erase from mysql and then i cansel the imporrt file on koha tools
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13:19 oleonard coyas: I'm not sure what's going on, but I do know that bibliographic data is stored in more than one place. I wonder if something is left over.
13:19 coyas i find something that say to rebuild zebra index but
13:19 coyas where is that place where koha store data
13:20 kidclamp there should be a rebuild switch that deletes the current indexes, but  I don't know off top of my head
13:20 coyas bibliographic data
13:20 kidclamp the biblios/register dir is where the indexes are
13:20 magnuse try to run koha-rebuild-zebra -f
13:21 magnuse if you just deleted the data from the data it will be left in the search indexes of zebra
13:21 magnuse *from the database
13:21 magnuse encoding problems will be the death of me...
13:24 coyas someone knows how to update data using other exportation without duplicate the data
13:27 coyas export fix some data with marcedit and then import again, if i do this the actual data will be duplicated or updated?
13:28 coyas who know this?
13:28 oleonard coyas: It will be updated if you have some record-matching rules set up
13:29 oleonard Administration -> Record matching rules
13:29 oleonard There are probably some default ones there
13:30 oleonard If you're exporting from Koha, updating, and re-importing you could use a biblionumber matching rule
13:30 oleonard[…]rd-matching-rules
13:38 wizzyrea hi friends
13:39 wizzyrea the easiest way to nuke the indexes is to add one new biblio, then reindex
13:39 wizzyrea for whatever reason it won't always delete the indexes when you delete all of the biblios
13:40 wizzyrea then you can import whatever you've got, delete your dummy
13:40 wizzyrea and reindex the lot
13:40 wizzyrea and you should be all clean
13:40 kidclamp you can also use marcedit integration to change marc and push updates, it uses the 999c for matching i think
13:40 vfernandes merging two records using ElasticSearch needs an enhancement... every item modification leads to the indexing of the origin record and the destination record... imagine this one record with 1000 items
13:41 vfernandes *imagine this with one record with 1000 items
13:42 vfernandes 1000 items -> 2000 record reindex
13:45 wizzyrea hmm
13:48 coyas hello
13:49 coyas the way to stop deleted data appears on koha search is add new biblio(new koha instance)!
13:49 coyas hmm
13:51 cait not instance
13:51 cait just a record so the index is reset
13:51 coyas how can i do that? i erase all data from mysql
13:52 cait so you removed not only the bibliographic data but you deleted the database?
13:52 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19670: DBRev <[…]ad1c3dcbd1a5679c1>
13:52 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22680: Compiled CSS <[…]3d8b56f732c3a7768>
13:52 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22626: (RM follow-up) Adjust column after 12166 <[…]7a48ac8b9f470b8ea>
13:52 cait what are you trying to do?
13:52 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 12166: DBRev <[…]2ba13681339b18017>
13:52 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22680: OPAC language footer not positioned correctly <[…]adc64c7dee80a0c55>
13:52 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22626: 'Filter paid transactions' broken on Transactions tab in staff <[…]1e6605ae0a1088235>
13:52 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19630: Removed constant message from Status column <[…]a086831c1a2dbcb66>
13:52 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22121: Display 'Price paid' on ILL requests according to CurrencyFormat pref <[…]2587b7aa0527f6fc7>
13:52 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 13629: SingleBranchMode removes both library and availability search from advance... <[…]8e988c23a3e2862d2>
13:52 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 14358: Changing the module refreshes the page and resets library choice <[…]c229799733456901a>
13:52 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21659: Change link to basket group edit page <[…]a1de4f684fcd695e9>
13:52 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22634: Standardize table creation for stockrotation* tables in kohastructure.sql <[…]84c765741bc828a3c>
13:52 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22631: Make links on barcode on hold summary page consistent (bug 21070) <[…]85aba6ee44581f746>
13:52 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22624: Show OPAC description for authorised values in OPAC <[…]2cb56002a7372461a>
13:52 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19630: Added Status column to Patron Holds table <[…]b5a84d4544ede16e4>
13:52 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19670: Change Collation of marc_field to allow mixed case mappings <[…]52f3bf4019f26484b>
13:52 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19497: Removed title (tooltip) from Edit button in <[…]9a011612d8b8f5570>
13:52 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21659: Fix links to basket groups from order receive page <[…]771afe78bab0fa880>
13:52 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22472: Make column_exists early return if the table does not exist <[…]b6f01480f4c46cab1>
13:52 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22472: Add tests <[…]ebdbd97115d204c5b>
13:52 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22444: currencies_manage permission doesn't provide link to manage currencies... <[…]38fde2b6816408795>
13:52 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21263: Pickup library not set correctly when using Default holds policy <[…]46c71c78a2d8647eb>
13:53 oleonard My favorite kind of channel bomb
13:54 cait :)
13:54 coyas no i delete on the data not the db
13:54 coyas *only the data
13:56 coyas if i delete the db koha will go down
13:56 cait so why can't you catalog a new record then?
13:57 coyas when i import the data again, it will be duplicated, and i don't understand that,
13:57 oleonard It won't be duplicated if it's not really there
13:57 coyas why? if i delete all data
13:58 coyas maybe not inside a db
13:58 cait you need to do a full reindex then
13:58 coyas but on the koha search engine will show me duplicated data
13:58 cait the index and the db are 2 separate things
13:58 cait yes, do a full reindex
13:59 coyas i try to rebuild zebra index but the data still there
13:59 cait what comman ddi you use?
13:59 coyas i can i do a full reindex
14:00 coyas koha-rebuild-zebra -v -f library
14:00 oleonard coyas: The suggestion is: Catalog a single record in Koha. Do a full reindex. Re-import your data.
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14:05 vfernandes oleonard: should I fill a bug to the merge problem?
14:06 oleonard I suppose, vfernandes, but I don't know anything about it!
14:13 wizzyrea it sounds like a case worth exploring, i'd file a bug
14:19 vfernandes bug 22690
14:19 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22690 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Merging problem with records with many items (ElasticSearch)
14:21 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #703: SUCCESS in 27 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/703/
14:29 calire oleonard++
14:30 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #209: STILL UNSTABLE in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/209/
14:31 * andreashm waves
14:33 wizzyrea i have a lovely warm fuzzy feeling seeing all those things we've fixed being pushed
14:33 cait :)
14:34 * cait wishes her cold would just move on from crazy sneezy mess :(
14:35 cait sorry, just being grumpy
14:36 eythian at least you can get pseudoephedrine!
14:36 cait ?
14:36 eythian I have to go to Germany or the UK to get it.
14:36 eythian cold medicine.
14:36 eythian the stuff that actually works
14:36 cait huh
14:37 cait what is it called here?
14:37 eythian pseudoephedrine hydrochloride
14:37 eythian it's in Asprin Complex
14:37 cait ah no, aspirin doesn't like me
14:38 eythian well, it's not aspirin, it's an ingredient in that particular type by that brand
14:38 andreashm Any thoughts on which 18.11 version is most stable/bug-free? The latest?
14:38 cait always the latest
14:38 wizzyrea aren't you the rmaint?
14:38 wizzyrea >.>
14:38 eythian cait:[…]drin#Handelsnamen
14:39 andreashm 18.11.03?
14:40 cait wizzyrea: nope - lucas g and jesse m are i think
14:40 cait eh ashimema for 18.11
14:40 * cait blames cold brain
14:40 andreashm =)
14:42 andreashm or wait, 18.11.04 is the latest? Anyone using that in production?
14:42 cait not yet, but I did a demo and nothign exploded
14:43 cait I was very impressed
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14:50 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
14:50 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #197: FIXED in 29 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/197/
14:53 cait ok, has nothing to do with star ratings, it's laways the first record in the result list
14:53 cait wizzyrea: do you see that too by chance?
14:54 oleonard I see it not quite as broken, but similar
14:57 cait ok, food first, then i can file it
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15:15 wizzyrea 1s
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15:15 ashimema_ seems my irc bouncer is dead today :(
15:16 wizzyrea i see the little arrow on the detail as well
15:17 wizzyrea or the little artifact, I guess
15:18 coyas my issue is done
15:18 coyas thank u
15:19 wizzyrea actually do you think it's odd that "log in to add tags" is only on the first reult?
15:19 wizzyrea result
15:19 ashimema_ andreashm 18.11.04 feels reasonably stable to me.. we have a few big university customers currently putting it through it's paces with an aim of upgrading to 18.11.x series for the next academic year.. they tend to run at least oldstable behind
15:21 ashimema_ my general advice (and it might sound a bit cowardly and cautious) is to run oldstable and track it.. that's usually the best mix of stable + new.. stable itself is great if you're wanting all the new stuff and you're happy to jump in and report and fix bugs when they do inevitably get found
15:22 * ashimema_ likes stable and has been rmaint for it twice in a row now.. I found by .04 my job got easier (and as such it felt like the branch had reached maturity enough that few would find bugs in it)
15:23 ashimema_ in other thoughts.. anyone fancy testing some 'pretty'? bug 21662 and bug 21626 might be nice little additions ;).. they're NSO but really they're seeking feedback more than anything else at this point :)
15:23 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=21662 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Missing Developers from history
15:23 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=21626 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Add 'current maintenance team' to the 'Koha team' page
15:23 ashimema_ especially from oleonard perhaps ;)
15:23 * ashimema_ had a spare half hour over lunch today to resurrect them
15:27 wizzyrea i can look at those maybe
15:28 wizzyrea cait about
15:28 wizzyrea oh wait she said food
15:28 wizzyrea i've been slowly pondering 22579
15:29 wizzyrea I think maybe it was a mistake to put all of the things in an action drop down
15:29 wizzyrea the librarians are right, two clicks instead of one is annoying there
15:29 wizzyrea even a split button makes it automatically 2 clicks instead of one to do anything
15:30 oleonard Keep in mind that one of the reasons for the menu was to fix the problem where the table was too wide for the individual buttons to all be visible
15:30 cait reading back
15:31 wizzyrea what if
15:32 wizzyrea we made the title clickable to show one of the preview modes
15:32 oleonard Isn't that still the same number of clicks?
15:32 wizzyrea (leaving all of them in the action bar)
15:32 cait split gives you one action with one click
15:32 cait but i think ours would favourite import
15:32 cait not preview
15:33 cait so hard to get it right here for everyone
15:33 wizzyrea yeah, i'd 100% put import on the main
15:33 wizzyrea both of the previews on the drop
15:33 wizzyrea *and* link the title to one of the preview modes
15:34 wizzyrea for their use case, it'd be card, but I think by default it should be MARC
15:34 cait a pref for that seems a bit much
15:34 cait but i like the idea of the split button with import
15:34 wizzyrea yeah I don't want a pref
15:35 cait but hwo woudl they switchto marc?
15:35 cait i like card default too
15:35 cait but marc makes more sense i guess
15:35 cait jquery?
15:35 wahanui jquery is a JavaScript library which is included with Koha and which can be used to apply customizations to Koha by leveraging the opacuserjs and intranetuserjs system preferences.
15:36 wizzyrea i mean it does make a bit of sense to link something on that title
15:37 wizzyrea import ought to definitely be a "I intend to do this" explicit action
15:37 cait yep
15:37 cait do you want to suggest that to hayley?
15:37 wizzyrea but which one by default, that's tough
15:38 wizzyrea i mean, oleonard hasn't said anything about the idea of putting a link on the title
15:38 oleonard Usually when we link a title that takes you to a different page for viewing more information, so I think people would expect some variation of that
15:40 ashimema_ I agree.. it would break convention to do otherwise.. and one rule I regard highly in UX is consistency
15:40 ashimema_ that said.. I don't have any better ideas :(
15:41 wizzyrea well a different page is kind of say, a preview?
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15:42 nlegrand Bonjour #koha!
15:42 wizzyrea it's just a thought, honestly they're trying to solve a problem for a client which I understand
15:42 wizzyrea but also, things change in systems
15:42 wizzyrea they will get used to it
15:42 cait i sitll think we shold do the split button
15:42 cait i like that one
15:43 wizzyrea it doesn't solve their problem of two clicks really
15:43 nlegrand I was wondering, is there documentation about shortkeys in staff interface? I just found about alt+u, alt+r and alt+q in some bugzilla.
15:43 nlegrand o/ cait
15:44 oleonard nlegrand: The only other one is alt+w for renew
15:45 wizzyrea[…]editor-cataloging
15:45 wizzyrea there are a bunch in the advanced cataloguing editor
15:45 wizzyrea[…]ighlight=keyboard
15:46 wizzyrea they are in the manual :)
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15:51 nlegrand oleonard: thank you!
15:52 wizzyrea nlegrand, ^ those links are for you
15:54 nlegrand wizzyrea: great, thanks
15:56 oleonard Just spent way too long trying to figure out why patron images weren't showing up in self checkout and then they magically reappear. :|
15:56 wizzyrea O.o
15:57 nlegrand I still can extend and add shortcuts like this right? https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ting_MARC_records
15:58 wizzyrea i believe that still works yes
16:25 oleonard fridolin around?
16:25 fridolin oleonard: yep
16:25 coyas who has a tutorial or idea about creating a new section page of koha like the main opan (like cms)
16:26 coyas teach me, please
16:26 oleonard fridolin: Did I hear you say something about whether you will be releasing another 17.11.x?
16:26 fridolin oleonard: yep i plan to release the last one at end of the month
16:27 oleonard Okay thanks
16:30 fridolin oleonard: you need something in it ?
16:30 oleonard No nothing in particular, was just curious
16:42 fridolin oki doki
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16:55 eythian[…]o-de-los-epitomes
17:03 oleonard wizzyrea, kidclamp: Thinking about using some kind of visual indicator like this:[…]?p=15550021303140
17:03 oleonard Bug 21946
17:03 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=21946 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Needs Signoff , Group circulation by item type
17:03 * oleonard bbl
17:03 kidclamp fancy!
17:50 oleonard What is going on with C4/SIP/ that the file is always "busy" ??
18:01 * oleonard is pretty sure he had this problem before...
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21:14 reiveune bye
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21:18 wizzyrea oleonard-away, I don't think we need both in that column
21:18 wizzyrea I really don't not if they're already grouped
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