IRC log for #koha, 2019-03-22

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06:36 cait @later tell wizzyrea sessions are only separate if you have different URLs, if you them only separated by port they are shared
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06:36 marcelr hi #koha
06:37 cait hi marcelr
06:37 marcelr hi cait
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06:42 cait @later tell wizzyrea i think it's related to only one cookie with the same name per domain (session cookie in this case) - has always worked like that
06:42 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded.
06:42 cait back from conference, super tired
06:42 cait qa queue fulllll
06:59 cait marcelr++
07:15 josef_moravec morning #koha
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07:22 marcelr hi josef_moravec
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07:44 reiveune hello
07:44 wahanui hi, reiveune
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07:46 ashimema @later tell Joubu you didn't fancy a quick look at my followup (and comment) on bug 20128 did you?
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07:54 alex_a bonjour
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09:15 paxed argh
09:16 paxed i just love how the items-specific (952) fields can have value_builder plugins... but have no access to the marc fields.
09:27 cait paxed: can't you program the access into the plugin?
09:27 cait we have the one for callnumbers that pulls from the field in the record
09:38 paxed cait: already doing it
09:39 paxed cait: it's just a bit strange that the same plugins can be used for "normal" marc fields and the item fields, when the page is completely different.
09:40 paxed cait: so can't rely on HTML (eg. by grabbing values from the editor input fields)
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10:28 vfernandes hi #koha
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11:47 oleonard Hi all
11:47 calire hi oleonard
11:47 wahanui hi oleopard
11:47 oleonard Welcome back calire
11:48 calire :D
11:49 oleonard We fixed pretty much all the bugs while you were gone, so just kick back or whatever
11:49 calire sweet
11:49 calire nice one
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11:59 oleonard As you can see calire there's not much to talk about since all the bugs are fixed now.
11:59 calire *tumbleweed*
11:59 calire guess I an go home then
12:25 * magnuse is finally registered for kohacon19
12:26 magnuse who knows what we will talk about there, when all the problems are solved?
12:26 oleonard I'm guessing food and drink
12:28 magnuse ah, yes there is that
12:28 magnuse and the weather
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12:50 * kidclamp waves
12:50 magnuse \o/
12:51 tcohen buen día!
12:53 kidclamp gimme a few hours guys, I'll put some bugs in, I won't let you get bored
12:54 * kidclamp starts hardcoding variables and inserting self altering code
12:54 kidclamp Acquisitions? never worked right, just pull that out
12:55 oleonard kidclamp: Don't forget to sprinkle in some <font> tags, I LOVE taking those out
12:55 kidclamp s/>/</g
12:55 kidclamp that oughta cause confusion
13:07 tcohen LOL
13:08 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22330: Fix tests <[…]891e589f2ae318e78>
13:12 magnuse nooo, don't fix the tests!
13:13 oleonard If we don't fix the tests how will my kids get into college?! <rim-shot>
13:19 oleonard ...see, because "fix" like, cheating... It's topical!
13:28 * kidclamp slows claps @ oleonard
13:29 clrh lol oleonard - I said to me, what, someone propose something about ES7 ? \o/ ^^
13:29 clrh hi everyone
13:29 oleonard Hi clrh!
13:29 oleonard (and sorry!)
13:30 clrh don't worry oleonard :)
13:37 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #689: STILL UNSTABLE in 27 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/689/
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13:42 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
13:42 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #182: FIXED in 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/182/
13:44 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
13:44 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #195: FIXED in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/195/
13:52 * oleonard got to close an omnibus bug! (19980)
13:54 oleonard ...and Bug 20654 is getting really close
13:54 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20654 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Omnibus: Update two-column templates to use Bootstrap grid
13:59 clrh marc21 question.... in mappings.yaml I got 952$b in "holding library" but Idon't see it in the norm ?
13:59 clrh Ithink I am not looking in the good place
14:01 oleonard 952$b isn't standard if I recall correctly. Isn't all of 952 for custom use?
14:02 oleonard OCLC says "9xx fields are not part of the standard MARC 21 format"
14:02 oleonard ...and the second result for a search for "MARC 952" is a Koha wiki like :D
14:03 ashimema silly question.. is there anywhere in the UI where you can 'forgive' a charge?
14:04 ashimema aha.. it's in the 'Manual credit types'.. i see
14:04 ashimema so it's a doesn't get associated with anything that way
14:04 oleonard That's what we use "writeoff" for
14:04 ashimema indeed
14:05 ashimema but for some reason there's also 'forgiven' exposed
14:05 ashimema (and also ffor in the background - the extra 'f' is not a typo there)
14:06 ashimema ffor is created for 'automated forgiveness' for exempt users
14:06 ashimema any reason you'd want both options in the UI owen
14:07 * ashimema thinks perhaps there is.. you might want to 'writeoff' feels like "I've given up ever getting this" whereas 'forgive' feels like "I'm being nice today and letting you off.. you were only a day late anyway"
14:07 ashimema type uses
14:07 oleonard yeah
14:08 oleonard Is "automated forgiveness" related to dropbox mode or something?
14:08 ashimema so.. do you think 'forgiven' should be a further option alongside 'Pay' and 'Writeoff' buttons rather than a 'Manual credit'
14:08 ashimema looking at the code, the automated forgive' stuff looks like it's tied to user types or something
14:08 ashimema I've not traced it back to source yet
14:09 ashimema "WhenLostForgiveFine" triggers it
14:10 oleonard Since I don't actually know what the correct use of "Write off" is I would be more comfortable having a "forgive" option
14:10 ashimema looks like that's it
14:10 ashimema haha
14:10 ashimema kinda makes sense
14:11 ashimema Writeoff in accounting can mean one of two things.. either 'this things so old it's worthless to us' (in a ledger)
14:11 ashimema and 'This things gonna cost us more than it's worth to pursue'
14:11 ashimema I suppose in my head it's a more reluctant forgive
14:13 oleonard Yeah... I'm guessing somebody might want to differentiate between writeoff and forgive?
14:14 ashimema perhaps.. but I imagine in both cases they really want to relate to what's been forgiven/written-off.. so the existing 'Forgive random amount and don't associate it with anything' is a bit wierd
14:14 oleonard Yes
14:16 ashimema thanks :)
14:16 ashimema also.. interestingly.. the way they record is entirely different too :(
14:17 oleonard It's too bad we don't have a very opinionated librarian here because I know there's a lot of them out there
14:17 ashimema the auto-forgive just changes the accounttype to 'FFOR' of the original accountlines (and updates the amountoutstanding to 0).. the manual one adds a new accountline with an amount and an accounttype of 'FOR'
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14:18 ashimema both 'Pay' and 'Writeoff' are more akin to the second way of doing it.. creating a second accountline for the 'credit'
14:18 ashimema wonder if we aught to really be doing that for 'forgivals' too
14:19 * oleonard has no idea
14:20 ashimema hehe.. AddReturn is never called with $exemptfine accross the entire codebase!
14:58 clrh ok oleonard thanks
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16:06 tcohen ashimema: I'm so surprised
16:07 reiveune bye
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16:22 oleonard Software I didn't know libraries paid for: Incident tracking. We should make one of those.
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17:27 corilynn oleonard, there are so many good free ones tho...
17:29 oleonard corilynn: Are there good open source ones? I'm curious if you know one you'd recommend. Not for us but another library was asking
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17:35 corilynn my (way back) background is in security. I've heard good things about FIDO (from Netflix)
17:35 corilynn but I haven't personally used it
17:36 oleonard Oh, sorry I'm talking about incidents with patrons... bad behavior, that kind of thing.
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17:39 shaffendi hello
17:39 shaffendi anyone here?
17:39 shaffendi lol
17:40 oleonard Yes, do you have a question about Koha shaffendi?
17:40 shaffendi yes i do...
17:41 shaffendi i have 2 koha server
17:41 shaffendi 1 production and 1 development
17:42 shaffendi my problem is on production server, im not sure which module involve but when i try to create label, it fail
17:43 shaffendi for example i edit 1 label template, when i save, it didnt save
17:43 shaffendi the same db i export and put it in development it working fine
17:44 shaffendi what i did wrong..i try to reinstall koha on development
17:44 shaffendi fyi im using koha ver 18.05.10 on debian 9
17:44 shaffendi when i koha-remove instancename
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17:46 shaffendi it give me this erroe
17:46 shaffendi Removing Koha instance kplh ERROR 1133 (28000) at line 1:
17:48 shaffendi Can't find any matching row in the user table
17:49 shaffendi when i check that mysql user koha created is already there
17:49 shaffendi can u help..
17:50 oleonard Sorry shaffendi I don't know how to help you with that. Perhaps someone else here might
17:50 shaffendi ok...
17:51 talljoy sounds like a permissions issue at the db level
17:51 shaffendi talljoy
17:51 shaffendi thats what i suspect at first
17:51 shaffendi but at circulation when write off or creating manual invoice etc just working fine
17:51 talljoy i'm not sure how the db admin privileges relate to the koha install though.
17:52 shaffendi same as acquisition
17:52 shaffendi i can add/delete/edit fund budget
17:52 shaffendi i think if permission issues i cant do that at all
17:52 shaffendi am i right?
17:52 talljoy that sounds correct.
17:53 shaffendi the problem only at cataloging part
17:53 talljoy unable to create labels or templates?
17:53 shaffendi is there any global setting that prevent certain user to write/update?
17:53 shaffendi both talljoy
17:53 shaffendi i cant add
17:54 shaffendi cant delete
17:54 shaffendi eh
17:54 talljoy no.  the permissions in koha are granular and relate to functions in koha, not what you can or can't do in db
17:54 shaffendi i think i can delete
17:54 shaffendi but i cant edit
17:54 shaffendi hurm..weird..
17:54 talljoy i don't know the workflow in labels and templates.  But if you are performing the actions correctly and still not able to add or edit, than i would suspect a problem in the database tables themselves.
17:55 talljoy wrong structure, missing data in the tables that is needed.
17:57 shaffendi auwww...i guess i need to look at db again..
17:57 shaffendi T_T
17:58 tcohen shaffendi: you're using MariaDB
17:58 corilynn oleonard, that's a whole different "incident" isn't it?? Yeah, I don't know about those... are they expensive? What does the paid for ones get you?
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17:59 oleonard corilynn: No idea
17:59 shaffendi ya im using mariadb
17:59 shaffendi is there any issue?
17:59 corilynn oleonard, do you know what the software *is*?
18:00 oleonard[…]acking-system.php,
18:01 * oleonard wonders why anyone would name their product PITS
18:01 talljoy cuz these patrons are the ....
18:02 talljoy better may have been PITA  Patron Incident tracking application
18:02 corilynn true story, talljoy
18:03 oleonard System for Patron Incident Tracking
18:03 corilynn Patron Incident Tracking - Advanced
18:08 shaffendi do koha a way to reinstall on the current koha?
18:08 shaffendi have*
18:08 shaffendi like rewrite all the default files
18:59 oleonard Bye all
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19:04 shaffendi bye all
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20:35 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22032: Compiled CSS <[…]88973b824c31fd761>
20:35 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22008: DBRev <[…]8ed0dbb8b0a3738bc>
20:35 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 20478: Fix qa complaints <[…]0f848793b7218f194>
20:35 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 18589: (QA follow-up) Remove dateFormat from javascript on ill requests pages. <[…]d987dc99a9e0a73ab>
20:35 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 18589: (QA follow-up) Move template to bootstrap grid <[…]5a648d693ac4a7acf>
20:35 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 18589: (QA follow-up) Rename page to "ILL requests history" for consistancy <[…]7590f825cece9bb6d>
20:35 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 18589: (follow-up) Fix merge problem <[…]f0b6c01616e768edb>
20:35 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 18589: (follow-up) Add borrowernumber test <[…]2d67b859075654bee>
20:35 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 18589: (follow-up) Fix QA tool failures <[…]f0c43ef583684fc42>
20:35 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 18589: (follow-up) Remove redundant-ness <[…]baa278552ab936c1c>
20:35 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 18589: Show ILLs as part of patron profile <[…]70f8a79e6db9261d3>
20:35 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 20478: (QA follow-up) Make test more standard <[…]991e90de665063fd1>
20:35 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22008: Fixes to make unit tests pass <[…]50fe2300b55565d53>
20:35 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21998: Silent tests <[…]fed1e9ffb1b3488fe>
20:35 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22008: Add missing constraints <[…]659526c6fdf9195e4>
20:35 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22008: Add tests for new constraints <[…]fd8d84780dca2cefb>
20:35 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22032: Improve local cover image tab on detail page <[…]b7353bb84af1ee1b3>
20:35 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21998: Throw exception on bad pattern <[…]fcdadcbc594f7217c>
20:35 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21998: Add pattern parameter in Koha::Token <[…]481ae1df56f674309>
20:35 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 20478: Have the cronjob script send digest messages per branch. <[…]116c0bf17bb196ec1>
21:00 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #690: STILL UNSTABLE in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/690/
21:07 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #183: UNSTABLE in 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/183/
21:14 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #196: UNSTABLE in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/196/
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