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20:35 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 20478: Have the cronjob script advance_notices.pl send digest messages per branch. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e7e27a934a1b1d968ea8d00116c0bf17bb196ec1>
20:35 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 21998: Add pattern parameter in Koha::Token <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b794643bb075c0aa5de81f2481ae1df56f674309>
20:35 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 21998: Throw exception on bad pattern <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ee73d577ed564d98e77cf25fcdadcbc594f7217c>
20:35 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 22032: Improve local cover image tab on detail page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=52bceacd82cdf4e45b2e76bb7353bb84af1ee1b3>
20:35 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 22008: Add tests for new constraints <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4e067c83e427e7d76227c11fd8d84780dca2cefb>
20:35 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 22008: Add missing constraints <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f3dd675b7f20bb011c2fb0659526c6fdf9195e4>
20:35 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 21998: Silent tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e9fa69ca64e78cc9ea540e3fed1e9ffb1b3488fe>
20:35 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 22008: Fixes to make unit tests pass <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ee1f262f1466e96e9676b3650fe2300b55565d53>
20:35 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 20478: (QA follow-up) Make test more standard <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2851d66254fe9dbb0edb2b8991e90de665063fd1>
20:35 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 18589: Show ILLs as part of patron profile <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=daac852c04eb0e9c866aef970f8a79e6db9261d3>
20:35 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 18589: (follow-up) Remove redundant-ness <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=17e72b2b1c55d79a5c7cc3cbaa278552ab936c1c>
20:35 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 18589: (follow-up) Fix QA tool failures <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=352d46464ce1dac3d0c8b92f0c43ef583684fc42>
20:35 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 18589: (follow-up) Add borrowernumber test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8378c74c90009df0476f1832d67b859075654bee>
20:35 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 18589: (follow-up) Fix merge problem <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=58a07a2e6b18a9135b0f6dcf0b6c01616e768edb>
20:35 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 18589: (QA follow-up) Rename page to "ILL requests history" for consistancy <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aab6564c8c74a94ebedf4fe7590f825cece9bb6d>
20:35 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 18589: (QA follow-up) Move template to bootstrap grid <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e95733da3c46bb9160bd1105a648d693ac4a7acf>
20:35 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 18589: (QA follow-up) Remove dateFormat from javascript on ill requests pages. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=441c64d63072d9cd6fd0a97d987dc99a9e0a73ab>
20:35 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 20478: Fix qa complaints <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce49552e6d46e098385a9d70f848793b7218f194>
20:35 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 22008: DBRev 18.12.00.031 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f8c20ac4c91f22017093a2d8ed0dbb8b0a3738bc>
20:35 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 22032: Compiled CSS <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b879e68326fcebc549d8c5688973b824c31fd761>
19:04 shaffendi     bye all
18:59 oleonard      Bye all
18:08 shaffendi     like rewrite all the default files
18:08 shaffendi     have*
18:08 shaffendi     do koha a way to reinstall on the current koha?
18:03 corilynn      Patron Incident Tracking - Advanced
18:03 oleonard      System for Patron Incident Tracking
18:02 corilynn      true story, talljoy
18:02 talljoy       better may have been PITA  Patron Incident tracking application
18:01 talljoy       cuz these patrons are the ....
18:01 * oleonard    wonders why anyone would name their product PITS
18:00 oleonard      http://www.quipugroup.com/PITS-patron-incident-tracking-system.php, http://incident-tracker.com/
17:59 corilynn      oleonard, do you know what the software *is*?
17:59 shaffendi     is there any issue?
17:59 shaffendi     ya im using mariadb
17:59 oleonard      corilynn: No idea
17:58 corilynn      oleonard, that's a whole different "incident" isn't it?? Yeah, I don't know about those... are they expensive? What does the paid for ones get you?
17:58 tcohen        shaffendi: you're using MariaDB
17:57 shaffendi     T_T
17:57 shaffendi     auwww...i guess i need to look at db again..
17:55 talljoy       wrong structure, missing data in the tables that is needed.
17:54 talljoy       i don't know the workflow in labels and templates.  But if you are performing the actions correctly and still not able to add or edit, than i would suspect a problem in the database tables themselves.
17:54 shaffendi     hurm..weird..
17:54 shaffendi     but i cant edit
17:54 shaffendi     i think i can delete
17:54 talljoy       no.  the permissions in koha are granular and relate to functions in koha, not what you can or can't do in db
17:54 shaffendi     eh
17:54 shaffendi     cant delete
17:53 shaffendi     i cant add
17:53 shaffendi     both talljoy
17:53 shaffendi     is there any global setting that prevent certain user to write/update?
17:53 talljoy       unable to create labels or templates?
17:53 shaffendi     the problem only at cataloging part
17:52 talljoy       that sounds correct.
17:52 shaffendi     am i right?
17:52 shaffendi     i think if permission issues i cant do that at all
17:52 shaffendi     i can add/delete/edit fund budget
17:52 shaffendi     same as acquisition
17:51 talljoy       i'm not sure how the db admin privileges relate to the koha install though.
17:51 shaffendi     but at circulation when write off or creating manual invoice etc just working fine
17:51 shaffendi     thats what i suspect at first
17:51 shaffendi     talljoy
17:51 talljoy       sounds like a permissions issue at the db level
17:50 shaffendi     ok...
17:50 oleonard      Sorry shaffendi I don't know how to help you with that. Perhaps someone else here might
17:49 shaffendi     can u help..
17:49 shaffendi     when i check that mysql user koha created is already there
17:48 shaffendi     Can't find any matching row in the user table
17:46 shaffendi     Removing Koha instance kplh ERROR 1133 (28000) at line 1:
17:46 shaffendi     it give me this erroe
17:44 shaffendi     when i koha-remove instancename
17:44 shaffendi     fyi im using koha ver 18.05.10 on debian 9
17:44 shaffendi     what i did wrong..i try to reinstall koha on development
17:43 shaffendi     the same db i export and put it in development it working fine
17:43 shaffendi     for example i edit 1 label template, when i save, it didnt save
17:42 shaffendi     my problem is on production server, im not sure which module involve but when i try to create label, it fail
17:41 shaffendi     1 production and 1 development
17:41 shaffendi     i have 2 koha server
17:40 shaffendi     yes i do...
17:40 oleonard      Yes, do you have a question about Koha shaffendi?
17:39 shaffendi     lol
17:39 shaffendi     anyone here?
17:39 shaffendi     hello
17:36 oleonard      Oh, sorry I'm talking about incidents with patrons... bad behavior, that kind of thing.
17:35 corilynn      but I haven't personally used it
17:35 corilynn      my (way back) background is in security. I've heard good things about FIDO (from Netflix)
17:29 oleonard      corilynn: Are there good open source ones? I'm curious if you know one you'd recommend. Not for us but another library was asking
17:27 corilynn      oleonard, there are so many good free ones tho...
16:22 oleonard      Software I didn't know libraries paid for: Incident tracking. We should make one of those.
16:07 reiveune      bye
16:06 tcohen        ashimema: I'm so surprised
14:58 clrh          ok oleonard thanks
14:20 ashimema      hehe.. AddReturn is never called with $exemptfine accross the entire codebase!
14:19 * oleonard    has no idea
14:18 ashimema      wonder if we aught to really be doing that for 'forgivals' too
14:18 ashimema      both 'Pay' and 'Writeoff' are more akin to the second way of doing it.. creating a second accountline for the 'credit'
14:17 ashimema      the auto-forgive just changes the accounttype to 'FFOR' of the original accountlines (and updates the amountoutstanding to 0).. the manual one adds a new accountline with an amount and an accounttype of 'FOR'
14:17 oleonard      It's too bad we don't have a very opinionated librarian here because I know there's a lot of them out there
14:16 ashimema      also.. interestingly.. the way they record is entirely different too :(
14:16 ashimema      thanks :)
14:14 oleonard      Yes
14:14 ashimema      perhaps.. but I imagine in both cases they really want to relate to what's been forgiven/written-off.. so the existing 'Forgive random amount and don't associate it with anything' is a bit wierd
14:13 oleonard      Yeah... I'm guessing somebody might want to differentiate between writeoff and forgive?
14:11 ashimema      I suppose in my head it's a more reluctant forgive
14:11 ashimema      and 'This things gonna cost us more than it's worth to pursue'
14:11 ashimema      Writeoff in accounting can mean one of two things.. either 'this things so old it's worthless to us' (in a ledger)
14:10 ashimema      kinda makes sense
14:10 ashimema      haha
14:10 ashimema      looks like that's it
14:10 oleonard      Since I don't actually know what the correct use of "Write off" is I would be more comfortable having a "forgive" option
14:09 ashimema      "WhenLostForgiveFine" triggers it
14:08 ashimema      I've not traced it back to source yet
14:08 ashimema      looking at the code, the automated forgive' stuff looks like it's tied to user types or something
14:08 ashimema      so.. do you think 'forgiven' should be a further option alongside 'Pay' and 'Writeoff' buttons rather than a 'Manual credit'
14:08 oleonard      Is "automated forgiveness" related to dropbox mode or something?
14:07 oleonard      yeah
14:07 ashimema      type uses
14:07 * ashimema    thinks perhaps there is.. you might want to 'writeoff' feels like "I've given up ever getting this" whereas 'forgive' feels like "I'm being nice today and letting you off.. you were only a day late anyway"
14:06 ashimema      any reason you'd want both options in the UI owen
14:06 ashimema      ffor is created for 'automated forgiveness' for exempt users
14:05 ashimema      (and also ffor in the background - the extra 'f' is not a typo there)
14:05 ashimema      but for some reason there's also 'forgiven' exposed
14:04 ashimema      indeed
14:04 oleonard      That's what we use "writeoff" for
14:04 ashimema      so it's a doesn't get associated with anything that way
14:04 ashimema      aha.. it's in the 'Manual credit types'.. i see
14:03 ashimema      silly question.. is there anywhere in the UI where you can 'forgive' a charge?
14:02 oleonard      ...and the second result for a search for "MARC 952" is a Koha wiki like :D
14:02 oleonard      OCLC says "9xx fields are not part of the standard MARC 21 format"
14:01 oleonard      952$b isn't standard if I recall correctly. Isn't all of 952 for custom use?
13:59 clrh          Ithink I am not looking in the good place
13:59 clrh          marc21 question.... in mappings.yaml I got 952$b in "holding library" but Idon't see it in the norm ? https://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd9xx.html
13:54 huginn`       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20654 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Omnibus: Update two-column templates to use Bootstrap grid
13:54 oleonard      ...and Bug 20654 is getting really close
13:52 * oleonard    got to close an omnibus bug! (19980)
13:44 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D8 build #195: FIXED in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/195/
13:44 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
13:42 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U18 build #182: FIXED in 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/182/
13:42 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
13:37 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D9 build #689: STILL UNSTABLE in 27 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/689/
13:30 clrh          don't worry oleonard :)
13:29 oleonard      (and sorry!)
13:29 oleonard      Hi clrh!
13:29 clrh          hi everyone
13:29 clrh          lol oleonard - I said to me, what, someone propose something about ES7 ? \o/ ^^
13:28 * kidclamp    slows claps @ oleonard
13:19 oleonard      ...see, because "fix" like, cheating... It's topical!
13:13 oleonard      If we don't fix the tests how will my kids get into college?! <rim-shot>
13:12 magnuse       nooo, don't fix the tests!
13:08 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 22330: Fix tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c194d0e1478b494a1b60416891e589f2ae318e78>
13:07 tcohen        LOL
12:55 kidclamp      that oughta cause confusion
12:55 kidclamp      s/>/</g
12:55 oleonard      kidclamp: Don't forget to sprinkle in some <font> tags, I LOVE taking those out
12:54 kidclamp      Acquisitions? never worked right, just pull that out
12:54 * kidclamp    starts hardcoding variables and inserting self altering code
12:53 kidclamp      gimme a few hours guys, I'll put some bugs in, I won't let you get bored
12:51 tcohen        buen día!
12:50 magnuse       \o/
12:50 * kidclamp    waves
12:28 magnuse       and the weather
12:28 magnuse       ah, yes there is that
12:26 oleonard      I'm guessing food and drink
12:26 magnuse       who knows what we will talk about there, when all the problems are solved?
12:25 * magnuse     is finally registered for kohacon19
11:59 calire        guess I an go home then
11:59 calire        *tumbleweed*
11:59 oleonard      As you can see calire there's not much to talk about since all the bugs are fixed now.
11:49 calire        nice one
11:49 calire        sweet
11:49 oleonard      We fixed pretty much all the bugs while you were gone, so just kick back or whatever
11:48 calire        :D
11:47 oleonard      Welcome back calire
11:47 wahanui       hi oleopard
11:47 calire        hi oleonard
11:47 oleonard      Hi all
10:28 vfernandes    hi #koha
09:40 paxed         cait: so can't rely on HTML (eg. by grabbing values from the editor input fields)
09:39 paxed         cait: it's just a bit strange that the same plugins can be used for "normal" marc fields and the item fields, when the page is completely different.
09:38 paxed         cait: already doing it
09:27 cait          we have the one for callnumbers that pulls from the field in the record
09:27 cait          paxed: can't you program the access into the plugin?
09:16 paxed         i just love how the items-specific (952) fields can have value_builder plugins... but have no access to the marc fields.
09:15 paxed         argh
07:54 alex_a        bonjour
07:46 huginn`       ashimema: The operation succeeded.
07:46 ashimema      @later tell Joubu you didn't fancy a quick look at my followup (and comment) on bug 20128 did you?
07:44 wahanui       hi, reiveune
07:44 reiveune      hello
07:22 marcelr       hi josef_moravec
07:15 josef_moravec morning #koha
06:59 cait          marcelr++
06:42 cait          qa queue fulllll
06:42 cait          back from conference, super tired
06:42 huginn`       cait: The operation succeeded.
06:42 cait          @later tell wizzyrea i think it's related to only one cookie with the same name per domain (session cookie in this case) - has always worked like that
06:37 marcelr       hi cait
06:37 cait          hi marcelr
06:36 marcelr       hi #koha
06:36 huginn`       cait: The operation succeeded.
06:36 cait          @later tell wizzyrea sessions are only separate if you have different URLs, if you them only separated by port they are shared