IRC log for #koha, 2018-08-03

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00:53 tcohen hi
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01:18 tcohen rangi: around?
01:19 rangi yep, whats up?
01:22 tcohen you mentioned a 2fa app
01:22 tcohen I need to replace mine (google's)
01:23 rangi hmm i did?
01:23 rangi i might have been talking about a yubikey
01:23 rangi its not an app tho
01:24 rangi
01:25 rangi (i think Koha should support it)
01:25 tcohen thanks!
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06:29 * magnuse waves
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06:41 reiveune hello
06:48 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:48 huginn cait: Konstanz, Germany :: Clear :: 75F/24C | Wind Chill: 75F/24C | Friday: A good deal of sunshine. Very hot. High 93F. Winds ENE at 5 to 10 mph. Friday Night: Mainly clear. Low 69F. Winds NNE at 5 to 10 mph.
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06:52 alex_a bonjour
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06:56 * cait waves
07:02 magnuse @wunder bodo, norway
07:02 huginn magnuse: Bodo, Norway :: Mostly Cloudy :: 59F/15C | Friday: Light rain early...then remaining cloudy with showers in the afternoon. High near 65F. Winds WSW at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 60%. Friday Night: Considerable cloudiness with occasional rain showers. Low 56F. Winds WSW at 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 60%.
07:02 magnuse cait: got any holiday left? ;-)
07:03 magnuse hm, so the default for borrowers.lang is "default", but what is the default language?
07:04 cait i am on holiday right onw :)
07:06 cait your weather sounds dreamy magnuse
07:06 cait so sick of the heat here
07:06 magnuse yeah, i can only imagine
07:07 magnuse we had a week in the high twenties and that was nice :-)
07:09 magnuse ah, there is a tab for "default"  on the page for editing notices, gotcha
07:09 magnuse hm, so if you want swedish to be the default you have to enter that into both the swedish and the default tab?
07:19 cait bye :)
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09:08 fridolin hi there
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11:25 cait fridolin: judging from sign-off - Biblibre sandboxes work again :)
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11:48 oleonard Hi #koha
11:49 calire hi oleonard
11:50 fridolin cait: cool, we have a new fat server with 12To of disk :D
11:50 fridolin go testing and go signing
11:52 oleonard Yay, Bug 20809 PQA! Thanks cait
11:52 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20809 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Link patron image to patron image add/edit form
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12:01 * oleonard waves to ncbaratta
12:03 * magnuse waves to ncbaratta
12:04 ncbaratta HI HI HI :)
12:05 oleonard Oh, and magnuse is back!
12:05 magnuse yup, this is my second week back, kshuly
12:06 cait thx oleonard :)
12:06 cait hi ncbaratta :)
12:06 cait magnuse: so you hid from us?
12:06 oleonard cait: I assume I caused that bug, so it's only fair.
12:06 magnuse yes, in plain sight
12:07 Joubu hi #koha
12:07 magnuse hiya Joubu
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12:08 Joubu magnuse: the purpose of "default" is to be the fallback when the letter is not defined in a given language
12:09 Joubu if you want swedish to be the default, the way to go would be to update borrowers set lang="swedish_lang_code";
12:09 magnuse Joubu: yeah, I think i got my head around it in the end. thanks!
12:10 Joubu if everything is correctly setup, you should not need "default"
12:10 cait hm but if borrowres always are default from beginning...
12:10 cait would you not always want to set default for your fallback language?
12:10 magnuse this library has self registered users and they hide the language choice, i think, so patrons get "default" as the language.
12:11 cait and then if the pick swedissh and swedisch is not set up it falls back to default?
12:11 cait or does it not?
12:11 magnuse the library has to define messages for default, or tell me to add a cronjob to update the patrons to swedish language
12:12 Joubu yeah maybe we need a new pref here :)
12:13 Joubu or, as the "languages" pref can be ordered, we could pick the first entry as the default
12:13 cait but we have default... why not use default as fdefault?
12:14 Joubu you need to define twice the templates
12:15 cait why?
12:15 cait sorry, not getting it :)
12:15 cait i thought it will use default when the language is not available
12:15 Joubu It was magnuse's question
12:16 cait so if my 'base' language is gemran, i enter german in default
12:16 cait and then englisch in englisch
12:16 cait english in english
12:16 cait shouldn't that sort it?
12:16 magnuse but you have a tab for german too
12:16 Joubu if you have the lang dropdown, opac or intranet, you will see default, english, german
12:16 Joubu if default is selected is will use the default template
12:17 magnuse it would kind of make sense to put german in german, english in english and english+german in default
12:18 magnuse or the default template could have a footnote saying "please log into the opac and set your preferred language"
12:18 magnuse i thnk it works ok the way it is now
12:18 Joubu yes but you have to update your templates twice
12:18 magnuse yup, but it gives you the option to have a special message for patrons who have not set a language
12:21 Joubu my point was: if you have a global default for lang, then this value will be used when a patron is created, and when the template does not exist in a given language
12:22 Joubu but if magnuse is happy with how it works now, I am happy too :)
12:22 magnuse happyparty!
12:23 magnuse Joubu: i do see your point, but i think the current situiation adds some flexibility, so either way works for me
12:24 Joubu if you duplicate the templates, I hate copy/paste :)
12:33 oleonard I like how the title of Bug 19353 is written almost entirely in secret code.
12:33 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=19353 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, josef.moravec, Signed Off , Make possible to have custom XSL template for marcxml and marc21 metadata prefixes in OAI server
12:39 cait sorry was on the phone
12:39 cait i tihnk offering default as a selection to end users doesn't make sense to me
12:39 cait it makese sense to me only as a fallback template - use that, if no tempaltes defined for selected languague
12:44 Joubu cait: and how do you pick the language for new users, or during the upgrade process? :)
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12:53 caroline good morning #koha!
12:53 oleonard Hi caroline
13:01 cait Joubu: default
13:01 cait i just don't think it should appear later in the pull downs :)
13:01 cait empty is ok, but default is kind of odd
13:01 cait :)
13:01 cait but yeah, you got a point
13:02 cait hi caroline
13:06 cait Joubu: i guess you are right
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13:13 * ashimema realises he fixed the jenkins failures this morning then promptly got distracted and forgot to actually push up the fix 😊
13:13 ashimema ls
13:28 oleonard Oh boy my cataloging department just discovered Bug 13692... 3 years old and it's assigned to me!
13:28 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13692 major, P3, ---, oleonard, NEW , series link is taking you to just 800a instead of whole 800
13:34 oleonard Anyone around who loves to talk about MARC series subfields?
13:35 caroline I can't guarantee I know the answers but I can try and look them up for you
13:36 oleonard Thanks caroline -- I'm wondering about the ideal behavior here... A record with 490, "traced" ...
13:37 jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
13:37 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #34: FIXED in 21 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_18.05_D8/34/
13:37 oleonard The XSLT links a series search to 800a
13:37 oleonard Looks to me like it should like to a series search using 800t instead
13:37 oleonard ...or both a and t?
13:38 caroline Well, 800 are usually for people names
13:38 jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
13:38 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #34: FIXED in 24 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_18.05_D9/34/
13:38 caroline 830 are for titles
13:39 ashimema Joubu around yet?
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13:39 Joubu yes
13:39 caroline So logically, it would make sense that if you're looking for a name, you would look in 800a
13:40 ashimema in the flurry of activity yesterday did I see you comment on bug 19604 in here?
13:40 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=19604 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to Master , Elasticsearch Fixes for build_authorities_query for auth searching
13:40 ashimema I have a vague recollection of it flying past midst jenkins messages
13:40 oleonard caroline: What I'm looking at is the detail view of the bibliographic record, the link from "Series:" to a series search
13:41 caroline Yeah, i'm looking at the bug now
13:43 caroline So in the picture the series link is making a search? It's not linked to the Schusterman 100 authority?
13:44 caroline but yeah, I think in that case it should look for a and t
13:44 oleonard In the picture the series link is doing a series search using the author information in 800a
13:44 oleonard Why not just 800t?
13:44 caroline In case there are two Accelerati series
13:44 caroline one by Schusterman and another by another author
13:45 caroline From what I've seen in the past, it would be the reason why we put the author's name in the series
13:46 oleonard From the patron's point of view, why would they want to see series titles by only one author?
13:47 caroline The use I would see is that if you're on this record and you want to see if the library has the other volumes
13:47 caroline So it would have to be that trilogy by that author
13:48 caroline not all series by that author and not all the sries with the same title
13:49 oleonard That makes sense if there is more than one series with the same title, less so if there is one series with more than one author.
13:49 caroline What's confusing is that the link "decoration" (i.e. underline) is under the author and the title. So everybody would expect to have the other books of the same series by the same author
13:49 oleonard Maybe the answer is to have one link using the series title, another using title and author
13:50 caroline Well, normally if you have a 800 it's to link all the series together, independently of what's in 490
13:51 caroline So if it's a series by more that one author (like 39 clues for example) the 8XX would only contain 830
13:51 oleonard Ah
13:51 oleonard So a series with more than one author would NOT have an 800 at all.
13:52 caroline I don't think so no
13:53 caroline[…]blionumber=224346
13:54 oleonard Ha don't look at our series data it's a mess :)
13:55 caroline heh! don't worry, everybody's catalog is a mess ;)
13:55 oleonard caroline have you see use of 800w before? LOC says "$w - Bibliographic record control number (R)"
13:56 caroline pff no I'm pretty sure most subfields are never used
13:57 caroline it's probably the equivalent of $9 in koha
13:58 oleonard I will happily ignore that part of the template
13:58 caroline +1
13:58 oleonard caroline++
13:58 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #30: STILL UNSTABLE in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.05_U18/30/
13:59 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #35: SUCCESS in 21 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_18.05_D8/35/
14:02 oleonard Hm, I guess the next question is whether you can actually perform a series search using author and series title together...
14:03 caroline can you cross a series title search with an author search?
14:03 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #35: UNSTABLE in 24 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_18.05_D9/35/
14:05 caroline but technically the 8XX should always be the same
14:05 Joubu jenkins: what are you doing? u18 in 41min?
14:05 jenkins Joubu you may not issue bot commands in this chat!
14:05 Joubu yes better for you
14:07 cait jajm++ thx!
14:09 oleonard Interesting choice to link to a series search by just the volume information :)[…]ac/record/1460148
14:09 oleonard "Show me all the volume 4s in the library please!"
14:09 caroline Hehehe!
14:10 caroline 848 results for bk 4
14:11 oleonard I only read book four of any series because that's when it always gets good
14:12 caroline reminds me of[…]ead/#QWS1R5OGvaqw
14:12 cait i am to blame for the $w - we use that :)
14:12 caroline *gasp*
14:12 cait but i missed the rest of the discussion, just in case there are any questions
14:14 oleonard cait, I was asking whether a series search link using data in 800 should use just series title or both series title and author... or offer both options
14:15 oleonard cait: But I'm not sure Koha can handle a series search using 800a and 800t together
14:15 ashimema oleonard: bug 21094 - bug or enhancement...
14:15 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=21094 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Syndetics: always use https instead of http
14:15 * ashimema is leaning toward the latter
14:15 ashimema s/latter/former
14:16 ashimema even
14:18 oleonard ashimema: Improves security, is trivial change.
14:18 oleonard caroline: My contribution to the mystery codes discussion:[…]81549980161785856
14:18 ashimema that ticks enough boxes for me :)
14:19 Joubu oleonard: what do you think about the screenshots on bug 20044? It is a FQA, right?
14:19 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20044 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Switch single-column templates to Bootstrap grid: Cataloging
14:19 caroline nice!
14:20 oleonard Joubu: forever FQA. I will be buried with Bug 20044.
14:20 Joubu the selects should be positionned under the labels, like the inputs
14:24 oleonard Joubu: Ha, I just now finally reproduced the problem you had with the selects collapsing down to nothing
14:25 oleonard ...but not fixed by your patch :(
14:25 * ashimema is now up to date... sorry fridolin.. been filling up your queue ;)
14:27 fridolin ashimema: cool
14:27 fridolin i will not do a lot this month because of 2 weeks holidays
14:27 Joubu oleonard: ho really?! did you resize the window?
14:27 ashimema me too ;)
14:28 ashimema had one.. got another in a month.. hmm.. not same month really.. same 6 weeks for me.
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14:30 reiveune bye
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14:30 oleonard Joubu: Adding a min-width to the first .input_marceditor rule seems to fix it
14:32 oleonard Joubu: In this comment you say "Zoom," do you mean narrowing the browser window, or Ctrl++ to zoom? https://bugs.koha-community.or[…].cgi?id=20044#c22
14:32 huginn Bug 20044: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Switch single-column templates to Bootstrap grid: Cataloging
14:33 Joubu ctrl++
14:33 Joubu @karma ctrl
14:33 huginn Joubu: Karma for "ctrl" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
14:34 oleonard @karma Ctrl
14:34 huginn oleonard: Karma for "Ctrl" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
14:36 oleonard Joubu: In my opinion there are still a lot of responsive improvements to be made to that page, and what you screenshotted in that last comment should not make it FQA
14:36 oleonard I do want to submit one more follow-up though
14:37 cait oleonard: I think there might be a bug about that somewhere - we always have $w with the identifier, so haven't run into that
14:38 jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
14:38 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #36: FIXED in 24 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_18.05_D9/36/
14:38 cait but we probably should do a title search for $t? and maybe an author one for $a?
14:38 oleonard series title search for $t and regular author search for $a?
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14:45 skimsk Hi! Can anyone help me with the backup script for debian? Im running "koha-run-backups INSTANCENAME --output "/home/kirjasto/backups"". But the backups will go to the defult dir in "/var/spool/koha/".. i would like to have them in my home and cant figure out what im doing wrong..
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14:50 cait oleonard: i think yes...
14:50 cait i think the issue was our data when i wrote all that - we used to have no title in t when there was no author
14:51 cait then the title was in a - so i made it work after that, but that's not what the standard says
14:51 Joubu skimsk: does /home/kirjasto/backups exist?
14:51 cait we probably should do at least a title phrase search on $t
14:51 cait sorry, was cooking in between :)
14:53 skimsk Jobu: Yes. i created it after it complained that it was missing. now it prints no errors, but still puts the backups to the default location
14:54 oleonard cait, for example, like this? catalogue/​thor_name&idx=se&q=series+title ?
14:54 cait probably yes... does it work?
14:55 oleonard Seems to
14:58 cait maybe se,phr would make it more accurate?
14:59 Joubu skimsk: create /home/kirjasto/backups/INSTANCENAME
15:00 skimsk Joubu: i did that also. that was the exact dir it complained about. Dunno why since it puts nothing there.. hmm
15:00 Joubu heh no, it does not work for me either
15:00 skimsk :(
15:01 skimsk its kind of critical for me :/
15:01 skimsk ofc i can move the files around but...
15:02 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #37: SUCCESS in 24 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_18.05_D9/37/
15:03 tcohen hi
15:08 Joubu skimsk: you can modify the entry in $KOHA_CONF
15:09 skimsk ah.. Ok. Thanks. have to try that on monday! Have a good weekend everybody!
15:11 Joubu skimsk: bug 10532
15:11 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10532 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, reed, Failed QA , koha-run-backups option --output doesn't work
15:19 oleonard cait and caroline: Bug 13692
15:19 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13692 major, P3, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , series link is taking you to just 800a instead of whole 800
15:20 oleonard I hope I got that right!
15:21 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #32: STILL UNSTABLE in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.05_U18/32/
15:30 oleonard tcohen around?
15:30 tcohen around
15:31 oleonard I don't understand your comment here:[…]8-08-02#i_2060045
15:31 oleonard jajm++
15:31 tcohen ah
15:32 tcohen it felt like things were too close to the left border
15:32 tcohen of the input
15:33 oleonard On the input, okay. That's the part I didn't get.
15:34 tcohen sorry :-D
15:40 jajm oleonard,[…]8-07-25#i_2057347 why do you think it's problematic ?
15:42 oleonard Seems like too much of a burden to put on the browser.
15:49 oleonard jajm: If feels to me like it's not the logical place for that kind of processing to be happening.
15:50 oleonard It's not an especially educated opinion.
15:54 jajm oleonard, i think it just feels simpler to write `alert(__("hello"))` rather than `alert(MSG_HELLO)` and declare MSG_HELLO somewhere else, and it feels good to be able to translate strings wherever you are in the code :) but i agree it's not essential
15:54 jajm that's why i put it in its own bug
15:58 oleonard jajm: Looking at Bug 21156 I think my concern is invalid. I'll look more carefully.
15:58 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=21156 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Internationalization: plural forms, context, and more for JS files
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16:18 oleonard jajm: Is there an official link for Gettext.js?
16:30 tcohen ashimema: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ial_resources_RFC
16:37 oleonard @later tell jajm Ping me when you have a chance to talk about Bug 21156 again
16:37 huginn oleonard: The operation succeeded.
16:38 jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
16:38 jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #22: FIXED in 28 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_U18/22/
16:41 ashimema Ooh.. someone fixed u18 failures.. awesome
16:44 ashimema tcohen++
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17:02 Joubu well, not fixed, workarounded :)
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17:12 oleonard Bye #koha, happy weekend
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17:23 ashimema Indeed.. I just read the details.. it's really weird ain't it..
17:23 ashimema Should cause a problem being worked around like that though at least.  The test will still be testing the right thing.
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17:32 tcohen ashimema: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]05_U18/33/console
17:32 tcohen lets see
17:32 tcohen hehe
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17:57 jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
17:57 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #33: FIXED in 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.05_U18/33/
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18:08 Joubu all green \o/
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18:17 Joubu @later tell oleonard it seems that we could remove the width function, the width is better without it (tested on addbook and batchMod at least)
18:17 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
18:17 Joubu @later tell oleonard not for 20044 ;)
18:18 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
18:32 caroline in the .pref files, I see that some text is in quotes while other text is not. What is the difference? (sorry if this is super obvious)
18:33 ashimema Yeay,build fixed..shiny green on dashabowrd table now..
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18:38 tcohen dashboard?
18:47 ashimema I'm just enjoying the nice set of 8 green labels on tcohen 😉
18:50 Joubu caroline: if you have some yaml chars in the sentence, you will need to surround it with quotes
18:50 Joubu otherwise the doc will not be parsed correctly
18:50 tcohen ashimema: me too
18:50 caroline if there are no yaml characters, can I still put quotes?
18:51 Joubu yes
18:51 Joubu better with quotes
18:51 caroline Other than ":" I don't know the specific characters, so I prefer to play it safe
18:52 Joubu [] and -
18:59 tuxayo > I'm just enjoying the nice set of 8 green labels
18:59 tuxayo Congrats!
18:59 tuxayo Release Ma.*++
18:59 tuxayo Is U18 Ubuntu 18.04 ?
19:00 Joubu (y)
19:04 magnuse woohoo for the green labels!
19:40 caroline Just to make sure I don't do any booboo, I'm working on bug 21158. I changed all the files that needed changing, but I forgot to branch out before. Is that necessary?
19:40 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=21158 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, caroline.cyr-la-rose, ASSIGNED , Add cronjob references to the system preference descriptions if a cronjob is required
19:51 Joubu caroline: is it a git question?
19:52 caroline yes, but I asked a colleague here in the office and he answered me
19:52 Joubu git stash; git checkout -b bug_21158 origin/master; git stash pop;
19:52 Joubu the commit ;)
19:53 Joubu git stash is certainly not necessary, but at least you know what you do
19:53 caroline I was wondering if it was necessary to make a checkout -b
19:55 caroline hm, I didn't know about the pop, useful thanks!
19:58 Joubu caroline: a good habit it to branch when you start working on something. Avoid being on the local master branch with local changes
20:00 Joubu bye #koha
20:00 caroline Joubu: ok I will try to remember it next time... I think I'm too eager to start working and forget to setup before
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