Time  Nick       Message
00:53 tcohen     hi
01:18 tcohen     rangi: around?
01:19 rangi      yep, whats up?
01:22 tcohen     you mentioned a 2fa app
01:22 tcohen     I need to replace mine (google's)
01:23 rangi      hmm i did?
01:23 rangi      i might have been talking about a yubikey
01:23 rangi      its not an app tho
01:24 rangi      https://www.yubico.com/
01:25 rangi      (i think Koha should support it)
01:25 tcohen     thanks!
06:29 * magnuse  waves
06:41 reiveune   hello
06:48 cait       @wunder Konstanz
06:48 huginn     cait: Konstanz, Germany :: Clear :: 75F/24C | Wind Chill: 75F/24C | Friday: A good deal of sunshine. Very hot. High 93F. Winds ENE at 5 to 10 mph. Friday Night: Mainly clear. Low 69F. Winds NNE at 5 to 10 mph.
06:52 alex_a     bonjour
06:56 * cait     waves
07:02 magnuse    @wunder bodo, norway
07:02 huginn     magnuse: Bodo, Norway :: Mostly Cloudy :: 59F/15C | Friday: Light rain early...then remaining cloudy with showers in the afternoon. High near 65F. Winds WSW at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 60%. Friday Night: Considerable cloudiness with occasional rain showers. Low 56F. Winds WSW at 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 60%.
07:02 magnuse    cait: got any holiday left? ;-)
07:03 magnuse    hm, so the default for borrowers.lang is "default", but what is the default language?
07:04 cait       i am on holiday right onw :)
07:06 cait       your weather sounds dreamy magnuse
07:06 cait       so sick of the heat here
07:06 magnuse    yeah, i can only imagine
07:07 magnuse    we had a week in the high twenties and that was nice :-)
07:09 magnuse    ah, there is a tab for "default"  on the page for editing notices, gotcha
07:09 magnuse    hm, so if you want swedish to be the default you have to enter that into both the swedish and the default tab?
07:19 cait       bye :)
09:08 fridolin   hi there
11:25 cait       fridolin: judging from sign-off - Biblibre sandboxes work again :)
11:48 oleonard   Hi #koha
11:49 calire     hi oleonard
11:50 fridolin   cait: cool, we have a new fat server with 12To of disk :D
11:50 fridolin   go testing and go signing
11:52 oleonard   Yay, Bug 20809 PQA! Thanks cait
11:52 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20809 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Link patron image to patron image add/edit form
12:01 * oleonard waves to ncbaratta
12:03 * magnuse  waves to ncbaratta
12:04 ncbaratta  HI HI HI :)
12:05 oleonard   Oh, and magnuse is back!
12:05 magnuse    yup, this is my second week back, kshuly
12:06 cait       thx oleonard :)
12:06 cait       hi ncbaratta :)
12:06 cait       magnuse: so you hid from us?
12:06 oleonard   cait: I assume I caused that bug, so it's only fair.
12:06 magnuse    yes, in plain sight
12:07 Joubu      hi #koha
12:07 magnuse    hiya Joubu
12:08 Joubu      magnuse: the purpose of "default" is to be the fallback when the letter is not defined in a given language
12:09 Joubu      if you want swedish to be the default, the way to go would be to update borrowers set lang="swedish_lang_code";
12:09 magnuse    Joubu: yeah, I think i got my head around it in the end. thanks!
12:10 Joubu      if everything is correctly setup, you should not need "default"
12:10 cait       hm but if borrowres always are default from beginning...
12:10 cait       would you not always want to set default for your fallback language?
12:10 magnuse    this library has self registered users and they hide the language choice, i think, so patrons get "default" as the language.
12:11 cait       and then if the pick swedissh and swedisch is not set up it falls back to default?
12:11 cait       or does it not?
12:11 magnuse    the library has to define messages for default, or tell me to add a cronjob to update the patrons to swedish language
12:12 Joubu      yeah maybe we need a new pref here :)
12:13 Joubu      or, as the "languages" pref can be ordered, we could pick the first entry as the default
12:13 cait       but we have default... why not use default as fdefault?
12:14 Joubu      you need to define twice the templates
12:15 cait       why?
12:15 cait       sorry, not getting it :)
12:15 cait       i thought it will use default when the language is not available
12:15 Joubu      It was magnuse's question
12:16 cait       so if my 'base' language is gemran, i enter german in default
12:16 cait       and then englisch in englisch
12:16 cait       english in english
12:16 cait       shouldn't that sort it?
12:16 magnuse    but you have a tab for german too
12:16 Joubu      if you have the lang dropdown, opac or intranet, you will see default, english, german
12:16 Joubu      if default is selected is will use the default template
12:17 magnuse    it would kind of make sense to put german in german, english in english and english+german in default
12:18 magnuse    or the default template could have a footnote saying "please log into the opac and set your preferred language"
12:18 magnuse    i thnk it works ok the way it is now
12:18 Joubu      yes but you have to update your templates twice
12:18 magnuse    yup, but it gives you the option to have a special message for patrons who have not set a language
12:21 Joubu      my point was: if you have a global default for lang, then this value will be used when a patron is created, and when the template does not exist in a given language
12:22 Joubu      but if magnuse is happy with how it works now, I am happy too :)
12:22 magnuse    happyparty!
12:23 magnuse    Joubu: i do see your point, but i think the current situiation adds some flexibility, so either way works for me
12:24 Joubu      if you duplicate the templates, I hate copy/paste :)
12:33 oleonard   I like how the title of Bug 19353 is written almost entirely in secret code.
12:33 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19353 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, josef.moravec, Signed Off , Make possible to have custom XSL template for marcxml and marc21 metadata prefixes in OAI server
12:39 cait       sorry was on the phone
12:39 cait       i tihnk offering default as a selection to end users doesn't make sense to me
12:39 cait       it makese sense to me only as a fallback template - use that, if no tempaltes defined for selected languague
12:44 Joubu      cait: and how do you pick the language for new users, or during the upgrade process? :)
12:53 caroline   good morning #koha!
12:53 oleonard   Hi caroline
13:01 cait       Joubu: default
13:01 cait       i just don't think it should appear later in the pull downs :)
13:01 cait       empty is ok, but default is kind of odd
13:01 cait       :)
13:01 cait       but yeah, you got a point
13:02 cait       hi caroline
13:06 cait       Joubu: i guess you are right
13:13 * ashimema realises he fixed the jenkins failures this morning then promptly got distracted and forgot to actually push up the fix 😊
13:13 ashimema   ls
13:28 oleonard   Oh boy my cataloging department just discovered Bug 13692... 3 years old and it's assigned to me!
13:28 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13692 major, P3, ---, oleonard, NEW , series link is taking you to just 800a instead of whole 800
13:34 oleonard   Anyone around who loves to talk about MARC series subfields?
13:35 caroline   I can't guarantee I know the answers but I can try and look them up for you
13:36 oleonard   Thanks caroline -- I'm wondering about the ideal behavior here... A record with 490, "traced" ...
13:37 jenkins    Yippee, build fixed!
13:37 jenkins    Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #34: FIXED in 21 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D8/34/
13:37 oleonard   The XSLT links a series search to 800a
13:37 oleonard   Looks to me like it should like to a series search using 800t instead
13:37 oleonard   ...or both a and t?
13:38 caroline   Well, 800 are usually for people names
13:38 jenkins    Yippee, build fixed!
13:38 jenkins    Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #34: FIXED in 24 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D9/34/
13:38 caroline   830 are for titles
13:39 ashimema   Joubu around yet?
13:39 Joubu      yes
13:39 caroline   So logically, it would make sense that if you're looking for a name, you would look in 800a
13:40 ashimema   in the flurry of activity yesterday did I see you comment on bug 19604 in here?
13:40 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19604 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to Master , Elasticsearch Fixes for build_authorities_query for auth searching
13:40 ashimema   I have a vague recollection of it flying past midst jenkins messages
13:40 oleonard   caroline: What I'm looking at is the detail view of the bibliographic record, the link from "Series:" to a series search
13:41 caroline   Yeah, i'm looking at the bug now
13:43 caroline   So in the picture the series link is making a search? It's not linked to the Schusterman 100 authority?
13:44 caroline   but yeah, I think in that case it should look for a and t
13:44 oleonard   In the picture the series link is doing a series search using the author information in 800a
13:44 oleonard   Why not just 800t?
13:44 caroline   In case there are two Accelerati series
13:44 caroline   one by Schusterman and another by another author
13:45 caroline   From what I've seen in the past, it would be the reason why we put the author's name in the series
13:46 oleonard   From the patron's point of view, why would they want to see series titles by only one author?
13:47 caroline   The use I would see is that if you're on this record and you want to see if the library has the other volumes
13:47 caroline   So it would have to be that trilogy by that author
13:48 caroline   not all series by that author and not all the sries with the same title
13:49 oleonard   That makes sense if there is more than one series with the same title, less so if there is one series with more than one author.
13:49 caroline   What's confusing is that the link "decoration" (i.e. underline) is under the author and the title. So everybody would expect to have the other books of the same series by the same author
13:49 oleonard   Maybe the answer is to have one link using the series title, another using title and author
13:50 caroline   Well, normally if you have a 800 it's to link all the series together, independently of what's in 490
13:51 caroline   So if it's a series by more that one author (like 39 clues for example) the 8XX would only contain 830
13:51 oleonard   Ah
13:51 oleonard   So a series with more than one author would NOT have an 800 at all.
13:52 caroline   I don't think so no
13:53 caroline   https://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-MARCdetail.pl?biblionumber=224346
13:54 oleonard   Ha don't look at our series data it's a mess :)
13:55 caroline   heh! don't worry, everybody's catalog is a mess ;)
13:55 oleonard   caroline have you see use of 800w before? LOC says "$w - Bibliographic record control number (R)"
13:56 caroline   pff no I'm pretty sure most subfields are never used
13:57 caroline   it's probably the equivalent of $9 in koha
13:58 oleonard   I will happily ignore that part of the template
13:58 caroline   +1
13:58 oleonard   caroline++
13:58 jenkins    Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #30: STILL UNSTABLE in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_U18/30/
13:59 jenkins    Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #35: SUCCESS in 21 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D8/35/
14:02 oleonard   Hm, I guess the next question is whether you can actually perform a series search using author and series title together...
14:03 caroline   can you cross a series title search with an author search?
14:03 jenkins    Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #35: UNSTABLE in 24 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D9/35/
14:05 caroline   but technically the 8XX should always be the same
14:05 Joubu      jenkins: what are you doing? u18 in 41min?
14:05 jenkins    Joubu you may not issue bot commands in this chat!
14:05 Joubu      yes better for you
14:07 cait       jajm++ thx!
14:09 oleonard   Interesting choice to link to a series search by just the volume information :) http://catalog.sage.eou.edu/eg/opac/record/1460148
14:09 oleonard   "Show me all the volume 4s in the library please!"
14:09 caroline   Hehehe!
14:10 caroline   848 results for bk 4
14:11 oleonard   I only read book four of any series because that's when it always gets good
14:12 caroline   reminds me of https://mashable.com/2018/04/05/library-mystery-codes-twitter-thread/#QWS1R5OGvaqw
14:12 cait       i am to blame for the $w - we use that :)
14:12 caroline   *gasp*
14:12 cait       but i missed the rest of the discussion, just in case there are any questions
14:14 oleonard   cait, I was asking whether a series search link using data in 800 should use just series title or both series title and author... or offer both options
14:15 oleonard   cait: But I'm not sure Koha can handle a series search using 800a and 800t together
14:15 ashimema   oleonard: bug 21094 - bug or enhancement...
14:15 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21094 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Syndetics: always use https instead of http
14:15 * ashimema is leaning toward the latter
14:15 ashimema   s/latter/former
14:16 ashimema   even
14:18 oleonard   ashimema: Improves security, is trivial change.
14:18 oleonard   caroline: My contribution to the mystery codes discussion: https://twitter.com/oleonard/status/981549980161785856
14:18 ashimema   that ticks enough boxes for me :)
14:19 Joubu      oleonard: what do you think about the screenshots on bug 20044? It is a FQA, right?
14:19 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20044 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Switch single-column templates to Bootstrap grid: Cataloging
14:19 caroline   nice!
14:20 oleonard   Joubu: forever FQA. I will be buried with Bug 20044.
14:20 Joubu      the selects should be positionned under the labels, like the inputs
14:24 oleonard   Joubu: Ha, I just now finally reproduced the problem you had with the selects collapsing down to nothing
14:25 oleonard   ...but not fixed by your patch :(
14:25 * ashimema is now up to date... sorry fridolin.. been filling up your queue ;)
14:27 fridolin   ashimema: cool
14:27 fridolin   i will not do a lot this month because of 2 weeks holidays
14:27 Joubu      oleonard: ho really?! did you resize the window?
14:27 ashimema   me too ;)
14:28 ashimema   had one.. got another in a month.. hmm.. not same month really.. same 6 weeks for me.
14:30 reiveune   bye
14:30 oleonard   Joubu: Adding a min-width to the first .input_marceditor rule seems to fix it
14:32 oleonard   Joubu: In this comment you say "Zoom," do you mean narrowing the browser window, or Ctrl++ to zoom? https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20044#c22
14:32 huginn     Bug 20044: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Switch single-column templates to Bootstrap grid: Cataloging
14:33 Joubu      ctrl++
14:33 Joubu      @karma ctrl
14:33 huginn     Joubu: Karma for "ctrl" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
14:34 oleonard   @karma Ctrl
14:34 huginn     oleonard: Karma for "Ctrl" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
14:36 oleonard   Joubu: In my opinion there are still a lot of responsive improvements to be made to that page, and what you screenshotted in that last comment should not make it FQA
14:36 oleonard   I do want to submit one more follow-up though
14:37 cait       oleonard: I think there might be a bug about that somewhere - we always have $w with the identifier, so haven't run into that
14:38 jenkins    Yippee, build fixed!
14:38 jenkins    Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #36: FIXED in 24 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D9/36/
14:38 cait       but we probably should do a title search for $t? and maybe an author one for $a?
14:38 oleonard   series title search for $t and regular author search for $a?
14:39 jenkins    Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #31: STILL UNSTABLE in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_U18/31/
14:45 skimsk     Hi! Can anyone help me with the backup script for debian? Im running "koha-run-backups INSTANCENAME --output "/home/kirjasto/backups"". But the backups will go to the defult dir in "/var/spool/koha/".. i would like to have them in my home and cant figure out what im doing wrong..
14:47 jenkins    Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #36: SUCCESS in 21 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D8/36/
14:50 cait       oleonard: i think yes...
14:50 cait       i think the issue was our data when i wrote all that - we used to have no title in t when there was no author
14:51 cait       then the title was in a - so i made it work after that, but that's not what the standard says
14:51 Joubu      skimsk: does /home/kirjasto/backups exist?
14:51 cait       we probably should do at least a title phrase search on $t
14:51 cait       sorry, was cooking in between :)
14:53 skimsk     Jobu: Yes. i created it after it complained that it was missing. now it prints no errors, but still puts the backups to the default location
14:54 oleonard   cait, for example, like this? catalogue/search.pl?idx=au&q=author_name&idx=se&q=series+title ?
14:54 cait       probably yes... does it work?
14:55 oleonard   Seems to
14:58 cait       maybe se,phr would make it more accurate?
14:59 Joubu      skimsk: create /home/kirjasto/backups/INSTANCENAME
15:00 skimsk     Joubu: i did that also. that was the exact dir it complained about. Dunno why since it puts nothing there.. hmm
15:00 Joubu      heh no, it does not work for me either
15:00 skimsk     :(
15:01 skimsk     its kind of critical for me :/
15:01 skimsk     ofc i can move the files around but...
15:02 jenkins    Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #37: SUCCESS in 24 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D9/37/
15:03 tcohen     hi
15:08 Joubu      skimsk: you can modify the entry in $KOHA_CONF
15:09 skimsk     ah.. Ok. Thanks. have to try that on monday! Have a good weekend everybody!
15:11 Joubu      skimsk: bug 10532
15:11 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10532 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, reed, Failed QA , koha-run-backups option --output doesn't work
15:19 oleonard   cait and caroline: Bug 13692
15:19 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13692 major, P3, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , series link is taking you to just 800a instead of whole 800
15:20 oleonard   I hope I got that right!
15:21 jenkins    Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #32: STILL UNSTABLE in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_U18/32/
15:30 oleonard   tcohen around?
15:30 tcohen     around
15:31 oleonard   I don't understand your comment here: http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2018-08-02#i_2060045
15:31 oleonard   jajm++
15:31 tcohen     ah
15:32 tcohen     it felt like things were too close to the left border
15:32 tcohen     of the input
15:33 oleonard   On the input, okay. That's the part I didn't get.
15:34 tcohen     sorry :-D
15:40 jajm       oleonard, http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2018-07-25#i_2057347 why do you think it's problematic ?
15:42 oleonard   Seems like too much of a burden to put on the browser.
15:49 oleonard   jajm: If feels to me like it's not the logical place for that kind of processing to be happening.
15:50 oleonard   It's not an especially educated opinion.
15:54 jajm       oleonard, i think it just feels simpler to write `alert(__("hello"))` rather than `alert(MSG_HELLO)` and declare MSG_HELLO somewhere else, and it feels good to be able to translate strings wherever you are in the code :) but i agree it's not essential
15:54 jajm       that's why i put it in its own bug
15:58 oleonard   jajm: Looking at Bug 21156 I think my concern is invalid. I'll look more carefully.
15:58 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21156 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Internationalization: plural forms, context, and more for JS files
16:18 oleonard   jajm: Is there an official link for Gettext.js?
16:30 tcohen     ashimema: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Partial_resources_RFC
16:37 oleonard   @later tell jajm Ping me when you have a chance to talk about Bug 21156 again
16:37 huginn     oleonard: The operation succeeded.
16:38 jenkins    Yippee, build fixed!
16:38 jenkins    Project Koha_Master_U18 build #22: FIXED in 28 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/22/
16:41 ashimema   Ooh.. someone fixed u18 failures.. awesome
16:44 ashimema   tcohen++
17:02 Joubu      well, not fixed, workarounded :)
17:12 oleonard   Bye #koha, happy weekend
17:23 ashimema   Indeed.. I just read the details.. it's really weird ain't it..
17:23 ashimema   Should cause a problem being worked around like that though at least.  The test will still be testing the right thing.
17:32 tcohen     ashimema: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_U18/33/console
17:32 tcohen     lets see
17:32 tcohen     hehe
17:57 jenkins    Yippee, build fixed!
17:57 jenkins    Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #33: FIXED in 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_U18/33/
18:08 Joubu      all green \o/
18:17 Joubu      @later tell oleonard select2.inc: it seems that we could remove the width function, the width is better without it (tested on addbook and batchMod at least)
18:17 huginn     Joubu: The operation succeeded.
18:17 Joubu      @later tell oleonard not for 20044 ;)
18:18 huginn     Joubu: The operation succeeded.
18:32 caroline   in the .pref files, I see that some text is in quotes while other text is not. What is the difference? (sorry if this is super obvious)
18:33 ashimema   Yeay,build fixed..shiny green on dashabowrd table now..
18:38 tcohen     dashboard?
18:47 ashimema   I'm just enjoying the nice set of 8 green labels on https://dashboard.koha-community.org tcohen 😉
18:50 Joubu      caroline: if you have some yaml chars in the sentence, you will need to surround it with quotes
18:50 Joubu      otherwise the doc will not be parsed correctly
18:50 tcohen     ashimema: me too
18:50 caroline   if there are no yaml characters, can I still put quotes?
18:51 Joubu      yes
18:51 Joubu      better with quotes
18:51 caroline   Other than ":" I don't know the specific characters, so I prefer to play it safe
18:52 Joubu      [] and -
18:59 tuxayo     > I'm just enjoying the nice set of 8 green labels
18:59 tuxayo     Congrats!
18:59 tuxayo     Release Ma.*++
18:59 tuxayo     Is U18 Ubuntu 18.04 ?
19:00 Joubu      (y)
19:04 magnuse    woohoo for the green labels!
19:40 caroline   Just to make sure I don't do any booboo, I'm working on bug 21158. I changed all the files that needed changing, but I forgot to branch out before. Is that necessary?
19:40 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21158 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, caroline.cyr-la-rose, ASSIGNED , Add cronjob references to the system preference descriptions if a cronjob is required
19:51 Joubu      caroline: is it a git question?
19:52 caroline   yes, but I asked a colleague here in the office and he answered me
19:52 Joubu      git stash; git checkout -b bug_21158 origin/master; git stash pop;
19:52 Joubu      the commit ;)
19:53 Joubu      git stash is certainly not necessary, but at least you know what you do
19:53 caroline   I was wondering if it was necessary to make a checkout -b
19:55 caroline   hm, I didn't know about the pop, useful thanks!
19:58 Joubu      caroline: a good habit it to branch when you start working on something. Avoid being on the local master branch with local changes
20:00 Joubu      bye #koha
20:00 caroline   Joubu: ok I will try to remember it next time... I think I'm too eager to start working and forget to setup before