IRC log for #koha, 2018-06-13

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06:35 reiveune hello
06:35 wahanui hey, reiveune
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06:57 alex_a bonjour
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07:27 jenkins Project Koha_17.11_D8 build #57: SUCCESS in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_17.11_D8/57/
07:27 jenkins * magnus: Bug 20546: Display shelving location on checkin
07:27 jenkins * kyle: Bug 18821: TrackLastPatronActivity is a performance killer
07:27 jenkins * kyle: Bug 18821: Convert to using cache with date checking
07:27 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20546 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, RESOLVED FIXED, Shelving location not displayed on checkin
07:27 jenkins * m.de.rooy: Bug 18821: (QA follow-up) Last tweaks for performance
07:27 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18821 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , TrackLastPatronActivity is a performance killer
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09:11 eythian hi
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11:43 oleonard Hi all
11:54 ncbaratta howdy oleonard :)
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11:57 oleonard Hi ncbaratta, I enjoyed seeing your conference tweets recently
11:58 ncbaratta Thanks!! I haven't been going to as many conferences lately :) and when I do I always seem to be working the ChickTech booth
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12:13 ashimema ooh.. we moved master to testing against D9.. I thought we were going to test both
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12:48 oleonard Are we still having simultaneous dev and documentation meetings today?
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12:53 Joubu oleonard: we will do one after the other ;)
12:57 Joubu oleonard: If CircSidebar is set and you hit /cgi-bin/koha/circ/returns.pl, you will get "ReferenceError: $ is not defined"
12:58 oleonard I'm sorry.
12:58 Joubu I have not idea how to fix it simply and cleanly, I am going to open a bug report ;)
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13:01 tuxayo kivilahtio around?
13:02 Joubu bug 20931
13:02 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20931 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , JS error "ReferenceError: $ is not defined" when CircSidebar is turned on
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13:12 kivilahtio tuxayo: fortunately
13:17 ashimema tcohen++
13:19 tcohen morning
13:19 * ashimema will be late to the meetings.. collides with school run.
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13:39 Freddy_Enrique Good morning everyone
13:40 oleonard Hi Freddy_Enrique
13:42 Freddy_Enrique One quick question... there in the US people like soccer? here are making me nuts for the world tournament
13:44 Freddy_Enrique the other question, a more serious one.. how is it possible for me to include a slider like the one shown here? : https://snag.gy/SRbJ8V.jpg
13:46 oleonard Freddy_Enrique: Yes there are people in the US who like soccer, there just aren't as many as like American football, baseball, and basketball.
13:46 Freddy_Enrique do I need to change some config files or just do all the work in the opac-main user/css in the intranet?
13:46 Freddy_Enrique I see :)
13:46 oleonard The slider is probably build on a JavaScript widget, maybe a jquery plugin. It's probably a combination of HTML (in OpacMainUserBlock), CSS (in OpacUserCSS) and JavaScript (in OpacUserJS)
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13:47 Freddy_Enrique oh....
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13:47 Freddy_Enrique Can you find some code like that to download or one should build it from scratch?
13:48 Freddy_Enrique uhm...I get it now. Java :(
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13:49 oleonard Not Java, JavaScript.
13:49 tuxayo kivilahtio: can I take bug 12586 :)
13:49 tuxayo Thanks a lot for having done most of the work on this!
13:49 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12586 normal, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Failed QA , Record matching rules - Required match checks doesn't work with MARCXML
13:49 tuxayo I'll try to rebase, write an automated test, and help the bug to make it through the process.
13:49 Freddy_Enrique Sorry, my bad. Thanks Oleonard :)
13:50 kivilahtio tuxayo: wow. Thank you so much for asking. Please help yourself!
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13:50 * LeeJ waves
13:50 kivilahtio tuxayo: I think the latest version is available in our github
13:50 LeeJ hi #koha
13:51 LeeJ Joubu: around?
13:51 oleonard Freddy_Enrique: https://getbootstrap.com/docs/[…]ascript/#carousel
13:51 Joubu LeeJ: yes
13:51 kivilahtio tuxayo: https://github.com/KohaSuomi/K[…]ble/C4/Matcher.pm
13:52 Freddy_Enrique time for a little playground :3
13:52 Freddy_Enrique oleonard++
13:52 kivilahtio tuxayo: that is running in production and is prolly the most best version I know of that feature
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13:55 oleonard Freddy_Enrique: The carousel widget JS is already included in the OPAC, so no additional JS required
13:55 LeeJ anyone who's here for the docs meeting..docs will begin its meeting immediately following the dev meeting :)
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13:59 * kidclamp waves
13:59 * LeeJ waves to kidclamp
14:00 kidclamp Are we running meetings at same time?
14:00 kidclamp one emeting to cover docs and dev?
14:00 LeeJ kidclamp: docs can start after dev
14:00 kidclamp kk
14:00 LeeJ :)
14:01 kidclamp #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 13 June 2018
14:01 huginn` Meeting started Wed Jun 13 14:01:23 2018 UTC.  The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:01 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:01 Topic for #koha is now  (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 13 June 2018)
14:01 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_13_june_2018'
14:01 kidclamp #topic Introductions
14:01 Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 13 June 2018)
14:01 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
14:01 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions
14:01 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart
14:01 LeeJ #info Lee Jamison, Marywood University
14:02 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, USA
14:02 josef_moravec #info Josef Moravec, Municipal Library Usti nad Orlici, Czech Republic
14:03 kidclamp #topic Announcements
14:03 Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 13 June 2018)
14:03 kidclamp Anybody
14:03 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
14:03 LeeJ docs will be having a meeting immediately following this dev meeting :)
14:04 LeeJ kidclamp: have there been any 18.11 pushes to master done yet? or still getting set up?
14:04 kidclamp #topic Update from the Release manager (18.11)
14:04 Topic for #koha is now Update from the Release manager (18.11) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 13 June 2018)
14:04 Joubu we should send a what's on in koha-devel email this month. If you want to contribute, it's there https://annuel2.framapad.org/p[…]_on_in_koha-devel
14:05 kidclamp still pushing bugs for one more week, then will begin with the queue next friday
14:05 kidclamp #info RM is pushing bugs for one more week, will begin on enhancements next friday
14:05 LeeJ kidclamp: okay thanks..so the docs meeting will be brief :)
14:05 kidclamp thanks Joubu
14:06 kidclamp LeeJ there is a note on the merging deleted tables for docs
14:06 kidclamp bug 20271
14:06 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20271 major, P1 - high, ---, oha, Passed QA , Merge deleted* tables with their "alive" cousins
14:06 LeeJ kidclamp: hm?
14:06 LeeJ oh dear...alright
14:07 * lavamind waves
14:07 LeeJ kidclamp: thanks...I'll have to read it in-depth later
14:07 kidclamp oleonard, is there a write up on the wiki for dev/testing process after SCSS patches are pushed?
14:08 kidclamp if not, can there be?
14:08 oleonard https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]staff_client_SCSS
14:08 oleonard I can add a section specifically for testers
14:08 kidclamp oleonard++
14:09 kidclamp that's all I have for now, I am going to push all I can to leave time for testing
14:09 kidclamp Mana, ES stuffs, other big things please QA sooner rather than later :-)
14:09 kidclamp #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers
14:09 Topic for #koha is now Updates from the Release Maintainers (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 13 June 2018)
14:10 kidclamp RMaints?
14:10 wahanui somebody said RMaints was kidclamp (17.11), fridolin (17.05), rangi (16.11)
14:10 fridolin #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, France
14:10 kidclamp wahanui RMaints is ashimema (18.05), fridolin (17.11 and 17.05)
14:10 wahanui ...but rmaints is kidclamp (17.11), fridolin (17.05), rangi (16.11)...
14:10 kidclamp wahanui RMaints is ashimema (18.05), fridolin (17.11 and 17.05)
14:10 wahanui ...but rmaints is kidclamp (17.11), fridolin (17.05), rangi (16.11)...
14:10 Joubu no wahanui, RMaints is ashimema (18.05), fridolin (17.11 and 17.05)
14:10 wahanui okay, Joubu.
14:11 kidclamp thanks joubu
14:11 kidclamp fridolin?
14:11 wahanui i guess fridolin is that guy with the great hair
14:11 fridolin evrything is ok for 17.11.07 release
14:11 fridolin nothing special
14:12 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize - PTFS Europe
14:12 kidclamp it has been mentioned we may want to relase 18.05.01 early? ashimema?
14:13 lavamind iirc Joubu mentioned 18.05 was unfit for prod
14:14 ashimema I've been waiting for the bugfixes to slow down before making a decision on early release.. felt like there were still bits coming in at more than a tricle pace
14:15 ashimema as I said.. I'm open to opinions on that but to date I've only had one person suggest a need to get it out sooner than 22nd
14:15 Joubu there are still some that are not pushed to 18.05.x
14:15 ashimema indeed
14:15 Joubu bug 20918, bug 20899 , bug 20832 should be part of 18.05.01
14:15 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20918 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , left-side navigation broken on the checkout history page
14:15 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20899 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Patron name not showing on issuehistory.pl
14:15 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20832 critical, P5 - low, ---, josef.moravec, Passed QA , Opac user page crash when there is an overdue fine and not any rental charge for a patron
14:16 ashimema We'll stick to 22nd as per the norm I think.. get as many solid fixes in as possible rather than setting a precident to release early with some fixes missing
14:16 kidclamp #info 18.05.01 will stick to release on 22nd to get as many fixes as possible
14:16 kidclamp soudns good to me
14:16 ashimema 20832 was one that particular caught my attention ;)
14:17 kidclamp I will push bugs today or tomorrw
14:17 kidclamp to give you time
14:17 * ashimema goes on school run to presence will be intermitten for the next 30 mins
14:17 ashimema :)
14:17 kidclamp moving on
14:17 kidclamp #topic Updates from the QA team
14:17 Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 13 June 2018)
14:18 kidclamp QA team?
14:18 wahanui QA team is hunting all the bugs!
14:18 Joubu qa_team?
14:18 wahanui qa_team is probably alex_a jajm marcelr khall kidclamp tcohen josef_moravec
14:18 Joubu and few more now
14:19 kidclamp no wahanui qa_teamis jajm marcelr josef_moravec alex_a ashimema tcohen khall Joubu rangi
14:19 kidclamp no wahanui qa_team is jajm marcelr josef_moravec alex_a ashimema tcohen khall Joubu rangi
14:19 wahanui okay, kidclamp.
14:19 Joubu I'd like QA on bug 19817 and bug 20287, they should be pushed early in the release cycle
14:19 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19817 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Merge local and online documentations
14:19 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20287 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Move AddMember and ModMember to Koha::Patron
14:20 Joubu bug 20271 is PQA, I think we should get another stamp on it
14:20 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20271 major, P1 - high, ---, oha, Passed QA , Merge deleted* tables with their "alive" cousins
14:20 kidclamp #info bugs 19817 and 20287, please QA for early pushing to allow thorough testing
14:20 Joubu and also know if someone is going to work on other tables (issues, reserves, etc.) for this release
14:21 kidclamp Joubu, doesn't it touch them all?
14:21 kidclamp oh, it changed
14:22 Joubu ha, maybe it has changed since I took a look
14:22 kidclamp no, it was all, then it wasn't again
14:22 kidclamp yes, issues and reserves are the most problematic
14:22 Joubu I have just looked at the update db entry this morning
14:22 Joubu and it's scary
14:23 Joubu INSERT IGNORE INTO items (
14:23 Joubu +            SELECT *, timestamp AS deleted_on FROM deleteditems
14:23 Joubu +            WHERE biblioitemnumber IN (SELECT biblioitemnumber FROM biblioitems)
14:23 Joubu +            AND homebranch IN (SELECT homebranch FROM branches)
14:23 Joubu +            AND holdingbranch IN (SELECT holdingbranch FROM branches)
14:23 Joubu +            AND biblionumber IN (SELECT biblionumber FROM biblio)
14:23 Joubu not sure how this will behave on very big DB, that needs to be checked/confirmed before pushed
14:24 kidclamp will test against some dbs before pushing
14:24 kidclamp #info bug 20271 could use a second (or third) pair of eyes as it is a big (but necessary) change
14:25 kidclamp anything else Joubu?>
14:25 Joubu nope
14:25 kidclamp #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...)
14:25 Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 13 June 2018)
14:25 Joubu (well, it's no longer a necessary change ;))
14:25 kidclamp #topic Accounts API: Vote the RFC
14:25 Topic for #koha is now Accounts API: Vote the RFC (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 13 June 2018)
14:27 thd I note the question about manager_id vs something more familiar.
14:28 kidclamp #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ines_endpoint_RFC Accountlines endpoint RFC
14:28 ashimema The accounts RFC looks solid to me.
14:29 LeeJ looks good to me as well
14:29 thd Is the reason for manager_id to use accounting terms as distinct from Koha nomenclature?
14:29 kidclamp thd: I think vote can proceed with note to consider the naming for tcohen
14:29 kidclamp I am not sure why 'manager_id'
14:30 Joubu kidclamp: heh, I was going to ask the same!
14:30 Joubu to me it's confusing
14:30 ashimema What term would you prefer?
14:30 thd It may be the term which proper accountants expect.
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14:31 Joubu and cait asked the same on the wiki page
14:32 kidclamp for the api he specifies 'user_id' which is more in line
14:32 kidclamp so I think he took the comment into account
14:32 ashimema Staff_id would suit me
14:32 ashimema Grr, autocorrect
14:33 josef_moravec both terms proposed by Katrin are OK for me...
14:33 ashimema Hmm, user_id feels too generic to me
14:34 kidclamp vote on user_id vs staff_id then vote on rfc with that change?
14:34 ashimema There are two users in this call.. so having role there makes sense
14:34 thd Yes, actually if it was for accountants then the api term would be manager so manager is still confusing.
14:34 kidclamp user_id vs patron_id
14:35 khall #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions
14:36 kidclamp going to call a vote for the manager id field
14:36 thd I think we should wait for clarification from the author of the API.
14:37 kidclamp tcohen said he is happy to go with what is wanted
14:37 thd OK
14:38 thd patron_id is a distinct and separate role.
14:38 kidclamp #startvote Should manager_id in the accountlines endpoint be referred to as staff_id, user_id, or manager_id? staff_id, user_id, manager_id
14:38 huginn` Begin voting on: Should manager_id in the accountlines endpoint be referred to as staff_id, user_id, or manager_id? Valid vote options are staff_id, user_id, manager_id.
14:38 huginn` Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
14:38 kidclamp #vote user_id
14:38 LeeJ #vote user_id
14:39 khall #vote user_id
14:39 Joubu https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]unds_endpoint_RFC
14:39 thd #vote staff_id
14:40 Joubu #vote member_id
14:40 huginn` Joubu: member_id is not a valid option. Valid options are staff_id, user_id, manager_id.
14:40 Joubu :D
14:40 LeeJ lol
14:40 ashimema #vote staff_id
14:40 thd #vote staff_id # for the DB
14:40 huginn` thd: staff_id # for the DB is not a valid option. Valid options are staff_id, user_id, manager_id.
14:40 Joubu #vote staff_id
14:40 thd Is the vote about the DB or the API?
14:41 kidclamp the api
14:41 kidclamp i think we are tied, someone around to help us?
14:41 josef_moravec #vote staff_id
14:41 kidclamp josef_moravec++
14:41 kidclamp last call
14:41 ashimema We can't easily change the db can we?
14:41 Joubu it's not so important, we just need to stay consistent with other endpoints
14:42 thd The original question was about the DB column manager_id with API key user_id .
14:42 kidclamp #endvote
14:42 huginn` Voted on "Should manager_id in the accountlines endpoint be referred to as staff_id, user_id, or manager_id?" Results are
14:42 huginn` staff_id (4): Joubu, ashimema, thd, josef_moravec
14:42 huginn` user_id (3): kidclamp, LeeJ, khall
14:43 kidclamp #info staff_id is preferred for API access to manager_id in the db
14:43 thd My vote was intended to be for the DB column name.
14:43 kidclamp did you want to change your vote thd?
14:44 thd I am still not clear what the vote is for DB column or API key?
14:44 kidclamp the API
14:44 Joubu maybe we do not care?
14:44 thd ... or both
14:44 Joubu really, who *really* cares?
14:44 kidclamp we do not planj to alter the db, is much messier
14:45 thd Is the db column not new?
14:45 thd maybe not.
14:45 kidclamp no, this is just conversing on API endpoints for existing database tables
14:45 kidclamp calling for vote on the RFC
14:46 thd I will leave my vote
14:46 kidclamp #startvote Should we accept the accountlines endpoint RFC with adjustment for manager_id -> staff_id? Yes, No, Abstain
14:46 huginn` Begin voting on: Should we accept the accountlines endpoint RFC with adjustment for manager_id -> staff_id? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain.
14:46 huginn` Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
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14:46 kidclamp #vote Yes
14:46 Joubu let's say the RFC is flexible and will be adjusted depending on further needs/discussions?
14:47 kidclamp #info  the RFC is flexible and will be adjusted depending on further needs/discussions
14:47 josef_moravec #vote Yes
14:47 thd Joubu++
14:47 josef_moravec Joubu++
14:47 thd #vote Yes
14:47 kidclamp yes, just voting on enough consensus for work to proceed
14:48 LeeJ #vote Yes
14:48 thd I would have preferred to have a rationale from tcohen.
14:49 khall #Yes
14:49 khall #vote Yes
14:49 Joubu #vote yes
14:49 kidclamp last call
14:50 kidclamp you can still discuss with him later thd
14:50 kidclamp #endvote
14:50 huginn` Voted on "Should we accept the accountlines endpoint RFC with adjustment for manager_id -> staff_id?" Results are
14:50 huginn` Yes (6): Joubu, josef_moravec, khall, kidclamp, thd, LeeJ
14:50 kidclamp #info Accountlines RFC endpoint is accepted
14:50 kidclamp #topic Review of coding guidelines
14:50 Topic for #koha is now Review of coding guidelines (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 13 June 2018)
14:51 kidclamp #topic Add a new coding guideline about maintaining the cookie documentation, see: Use of Cookies
14:51 Topic for #koha is now Add a new coding guideline about maintaining the cookie documentation, see: Use of Cookies (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 13 June 2018)
14:51 kidclamp #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ki/Use_of_Cookies Use of cookies
14:51 thd I meant that I would have preferred a rationale from the author before voting but the suggestion has been that he did not have a strong rationale and as Joubu rightly stated we can revisit the issue if it has a consequence.
14:53 thd s/has been/has been implied indirectly/
14:54 kidclamp cookies seems to be gdpr consideration? anyone know who added or has opinion?
14:54 oleonard Okay, so cookies...
14:55 LeeJ kidclamp: should the cookies page be referenced somewhere in the manual considering the gravity of GDPR?
14:56 kidclamp it can't hurt, or can refer to that page
14:57 kidclamp I think asking devs to update docs for cookie expiration time sounds fair
14:57 kidclamp just need someone to word it to vote
14:57 LeeJ sounds good! I'll mark it down for the docs meeting to mention it/create a task
14:58 * Joubu thinks Koha should have a page with developper's name and postal address to let librarians send them cookies
14:59 * LeeJ agrees with Joubu's idea
14:59 eythian that's what the cookie law was about eg
14:59 eythian *eh
14:59 kidclamp Joubu++
14:59 kidclamp Joubu, you added the note, you want to propose a guideline to vote on? or next meeting?
14:59 kidclamp (at 1 hr)
15:00 Joubu did I??
15:00 josef_moravec I think it was Katrin ;)
15:01 thd Koha Coding Guidelines to be changed to incorporate cookies use and expiration as described in https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ki/Use_of_Cookies with the Koha Manual to incorporate a reference to the same policy as an element in GDPR compliance, Yes or No?
15:01 kidclamp ah, I misread
15:02 Joubu why do we need to vote on that? Submit a patch and we are done
15:02 thd Joubu++
15:02 kidclamp the vote is on adding a guideline to ask devs to maintain that page
15:03 thd we need an #info at least.
15:03 Joubu ho right, so let's vote yes
15:04 LeeJ I'm wondering if there should be a dedicated section in the manual titled something like "GDPR Compliance" if we're going to be continually updating/changing things for compliance purposes
15:04 Joubu (we need 2 version columns (from-to), if we remove them)
15:04 kidclamp #startvote Should a codign guidline be added to require devs to maintin documentation on cookie use/expiration as required by GDPR and maintained on the wiki page Use of Cookies? Yes, No, Abstain
15:04 huginn` Begin voting on: Should a codign guidline be added to require devs to maintin documentation on cookie use/expiration as required by GDPR and maintained on the wiki page Use of Cookies? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain.
15:04 huginn` Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
15:04 Joubu #vote yes
15:04 kidclamp #vote Yes
15:04 oleonard #vote yes
15:04 khall #vote Yes
15:04 thd #vote Yes
15:05 LeeJ #vote Yes
15:05 kidclamp last call
15:05 Joubu it could also be added to the release notes (like syspref, notice templates, permissions, etc.)
15:05 thd Joubu++
15:05 kidclamp #endvote
15:05 huginn` Voted on "Should a codign guidline be added to require devs to maintin documentation on cookie use/expiration as required by GDPR and maintained on the wiki page Use of Cookies?" Results are
15:05 huginn` Yes (6): Joubu, oleonard, khall, kidclamp, thd, LeeJ
15:06 kidclamp #info agred, we shoudl add a coding guideline to maintain cookie documentation
15:06 kidclamp #info Joubu suggests also adding notes about cookies/gdpr to release notes
15:06 kidclamp #action cait, please write a codign guideline for cookies
15:07 kidclamp Next meeting June 27th, 21 UTC?
15:08 Joubu yes
15:08 thd The more place people may see references to specific elements of GDPR compliance release notes, etc. as Joubu stated the safer people should be at present from any overzealous enforcement.
15:08 kidclamp #info Next meeting: 27 June 2018, 21 UTC
15:09 kidclamp #endmeeting
15:09 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org
15:09 huginn` Meeting ended Wed Jun 13 15:09:07 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
15:09 huginn` Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community[…]-06-13-14.01.html
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15:09 kidclamp thanks all!
15:09 kidclamp koha++
15:09 josef_moravec kidclamp++
15:10 Joubu LeeJ: your turn
15:10 LeeJ I'll be starting the docs meeting in a few minutes..helping someone for a sec :)
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15:11 LeeJ #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 13 June 2018
15:11 huginn` Meeting started Wed Jun 13 15:11:48 2018 UTC.  The chair is LeeJ. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
15:11 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
15:11 Topic for #koha is now  (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 13 June 2018)
15:11 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_13_june_2018'
15:12 * ashimema is back.. but on child care duties so still intermittent
15:12 LeeJ #topic Introductions
15:12 Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 13 June 2018)
15:12 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
15:12 LeeJ #info Lee Jamison, Marywood University
15:12 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize - PTFS Europe
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15:13 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
15:14 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart
15:14 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions
15:15 LeeJ #topic What's been done so far
15:15 Topic for #koha is now What's been done so far (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 13 June 2018)
15:15 LeeJ #info the docs group has been adding tasks to the koha manual Taiga as necessary to prepare for documenting 18.11
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15:16 josef_moravec #info Josef Moravec
15:16 LeeJ #info kidclamp will begin tackling the RM queue beginning Friday June 22, 2018
15:17 kidclamp ;-)
15:17 ashimema kidclamp++
15:18 LeeJ #topic Next steps
15:18 Topic for #koha is now Next steps (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 13 June 2018)
15:18 reiveune bye
15:18 LeeJ #info there is a note on the merging deleted tables for docs (Bug 20271) per kidclamp which will need to be addressed in the documentation
15:18 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20271 major, P1 - high, ---, oha, Passed QA , Merge deleted biblio, biblioitems, biblio_metadata, and items tables with their "alive" cousins
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15:19 LeeJ anyone have anything else to add? ashimema anything about your work to add? :)
15:19 LeeJ oh! I just remembered something else to add
15:20 LeeJ #info will be discussing the inclusion of a "GDPR Compliance" section of the manual with a minimum content of adding links to the appropriate wiki pages (i.e. the use of cookies https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]i/Use_of_Cookies)
15:20 Joubu LeeJ: you got a PR, with a schema
15:21 ashimema I was going to create a branch to merge for the above then submit it with the WIP flag until the bug is pushed to master
15:21 LeeJ Joubu: that will be addressed soon but not right now..I'll explain more later
15:21 LeeJ ashimema: a branch for what exactly?
15:22 ashimema Bug_20271
15:23 LeeJ okay
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15:23 tcohen hi
15:24 LeeJ #info ashimema will be creating a WIP branch on the manual to handle Bug 20271
15:24 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20271 major, P1 - high, ---, oha, Passed QA , Merge deleted biblio, biblioitems, biblio_metadata, and items tables with their "alive" cousins
15:24 ashimema Anyone else been having issues with gitlab the last few days out of interest? That's what's held me up on submitting it already
15:24 LeeJ tcohen: I can't end meeting you today because we're in the docs meeting :(
15:24 LeeJ ashimema: not me
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15:24 tcohen yeah, I love the situation actually
15:24 tcohen haha
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15:26 LeeJ anyone have anything else to add before scheduling next meeting?
15:26 kidclamp LeeJ is the best
15:27 kidclamp except for me of course ;-)
15:27 LeeJ kidclamp: agreed ;)
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15:28 LeeJ guess we're good
15:28 LeeJ Set time of next meeting
15:29 Joubu wait
15:29 Joubu I'd like to know why nobody cares about bug 19817
15:29 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19817 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Merge local and online documentations
15:29 Joubu but really, why?
15:30 LeeJ Joubu: I'll make sure no one contributes anything until that's taken care of :)
15:30 LeeJ including myself
15:30 * ashimema just hasn't got that far down his list yet Joubu
15:30 tuxayo kivilahtio: great! Do you think that the test plan changes a lot?
15:31 LeeJ ashimema: put it at the top of your list? <3
15:31 Joubu Next meeting on July 4th then?
15:32 LeeJ I just wrote the bug # on my whiteboard in my office so I can work on it and not forget
15:32 ashimema It's very nearly there already 😉
15:32 LeeJ I won't be at work on July 4th because it's a holiday :)
15:34 LeeJ July 13th 21:00?
15:34 Joubu nope, general meeting
15:34 Joubu ha it's at 14
15:35 LeeJ so that would work then?
15:35 Joubu yes
15:36 LeeJ cool
15:36 LeeJ #topic Set time of next meeting
15:36 Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 13 June 2018)
15:37 LeeJ #info Next meeting: 13 July 2018, 21 UTC
15:37 LeeJ #endmeeting
15:37 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org
15:37 huginn` Meeting ended Wed Jun 13 15:37:13 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
15:37 huginn` Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community[…]-06-13-15.11.html
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15:37 huginn` Log:            http://meetings.koha-community[…]13-15.11.log.html
15:37 LeeJ thanks for coming out everyone :)
15:41 Joubu Friday 21UTC?
15:41 Joubu it was 11th actually
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15:45 thd LeeJ: Joubu is correct.   You may have mistakenly typed 13 July without enough attention given when 11 July was intended.
15:45 LeeJ ugh
15:46 LeeJ >_>
15:46 * LeeJ needs to start checking his typing in quadruplicate
15:47 thd LeeJ you could have an administrative typo correction meeting just now.
15:47 LeeJ thd: hm?
15:47 LeeJ do tell
15:48 thd Just do startmeeting etc. and fix the date for the next meeting, link the additional log to the wiki, send an email correcting the error to the relevant lists.
15:50 thd Most anyone who was here 10 minutes ago is still here also.
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16:00 Tim_A Does anyone know if it's possible or even how to modify item search results fields?
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16:05 dani
16:22 oleonard Bug 20935
16:22 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20935 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, ASSIGNED , Redesign system preferences interface
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16:26 cait t
16:35 Joubu bug 20934 needed for 18.05.01
16:35 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20934 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Biblio checkout history shows only current checkout
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18:49 Laura__MCC_ I am in need of some serials help
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18:52 oleonard Laura__MCC_: Ask a specific question so people can reply if they know the answer
18:53 Laura__MCC_ So I am trying to enter Library Journal that comes out on the 1 and 15 for instance I added as a semimonthly and the dates added were 1 and 16 can this be changed in the subscription or is there a better way to do this?
18:55 Laura__MCC_ Question 2 - what are the implications of not entering an end date?
18:58 Laura__MCC_ Question 3: I have been told by EBSCO that they did  not have a way to do claims with Koha.  Have individuals figured out a work around?
18:59 * oleonard waves goodbye and wishes Laura__MCC_ luck
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20:12 zenkit hi does anyone recommend installing koha on a VM environment
20:12 zenkit ?
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20:25 lavamind zenkit: I run 120 instances in a VM environment :P
20:26 zenkit :) Thanks lavamind
20:27 lavamind I have a problem where both the opac and intranet base URLs (https://example.com/) return a 404 error
20:31 lavamind I can still login and use the site
20:32 Joubu lavamind: hum?
20:33 lavamind "GET / HTTP/1.1" 404
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20:33 lavamind but "GET /cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl HTTP/1.1" 200
20:33 * lavamind checks rewrite configs
20:36 lavamind aah, I'm missing mod_dir
20:37 lavamind apache-shared.conf could use a "DirectoryIndex index.html" directive
20:38 lavamind yeah, because index.html is aliased to the correct cgi script
20:39 lavamind but nothing in the Koha configs define index.html as a directory index
20:40 lavamind mod_dir and DierctoryIndex index.html are usually default configurations
20:41 * lavamind is finding out many things using a ground-up setup<
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21:35 lavamind I'd be interested to learn how I can minimize memory usage with Plack
21:35 lavamind 200MB per instance is too much
21:45 lavamind is it possible to example only load a part ok Koha (OPAC) into plack ?
21:48 Joubu lavamind: in the psgi file,  remove some "use" statements (?)
21:49 lavamind Joubu: yeah I tried that, the effect is very small
21:50 lavamind oh I did it with mount
21:50 zenkit What is the minimum RAM requirement to reflect memcache speed?
21:53 lavamind I commented out all use C4:: and use Koha:: and now it uses more memory :s
22:03 lavamind I think it's way too tricky, I just wont use Plack at all
22:08 wizzyrea 120 instances on one server?
22:08 wizzyrea plack might be heavy for that.
22:10 lavamind it's heavy even for 10 instances
22:10 lavamind same with the indexer daemon
22:10 wizzyrea the indexer you can go around if you're happy to use the cron
22:11 lavamind not so happy to use cron no, because running it doesn't even have time to index all the instances within 5 minutes
22:11 lavamind I used to have it every 15 minutes, and it worked but the machine just kept grinding days and night
22:12 wizzyrea offload zebra to a different server?
22:12 lavamind so eventually I enabled apache access logs and had the cron only trigger when there was activity
22:12 lavamind most the instances are seldom used
22:12 lavamind they're just there for classes and assignments
22:13 lavamind instead of watching apache access logs Ill try watching the zebraqueue table using the commandline and trigerring the reindex as needed
22:14 lavamind having 120 rebuild_index.pl in memory is too heavy
22:14 wizzyrea possibly having 120 koha on one machine is too many.
22:15 lavamind heh, that's my Koha 3.02 setup :p
22:15 lavamind just upgrading it to 18.05
22:15 wizzyrea but koha 3.02 is like 10 years old.
22:15 rangi lavamind: you can disable the indexer, and go bak to the cron job for rebuild zebra
22:15 lavamind hence the upgrade
22:16 lavamind rangi: */10 * * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/koha-rebuild-zebra && koha-rebuild-zebra $(find /var/log/koha -mmin -10 -name intranet-access.log | cut -f5 -d/)
22:16 rangi the indexer runs as a daemon, so much more realtime, but if you switch that off, and put the cron job back in, and just say you might have to wait up to 15 mins for your change to show in search
22:16 rangi yep
22:18 lavamind maybe there's a way to run multiple instances using one Plack daemon
22:18 rangi thats all good as no other jobs (like other crons) change values
22:18 rangi as long as i mean
22:19 rangi like long overdues cron job that makes stuff lost
22:19 rangi but it'll get index after someone looks at koha i guess ;)
22:19 lavamind as far as I know the classes they teach don't use OPAC services at all
22:19 rangi there is a bug for that,and some patches you could try
22:20 rangi i forget the bug number
22:20 lavamind rangi: let me know if you find it
22:20 lavamind for now I have to run
22:20 lavamind thanks btw
22:22 Joubu bug 15562
22:22 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15562 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , Make Koha more suitable for shared hosting with plack
22:34 zenkit how do i create multiple instances of koha in one server?
22:38 wizzyrea koha-create --create-db instance1
22:38 wizzyrea koha-create --create-db instance2
22:38 wizzyrea koha-create --create-db instance 3
22:38 wizzyrea and so on
22:38 zenkit thanks :wizzyrea
22:38 wizzyrea np
22:38 zenkit How about the ip references
22:39 wizzyrea you can edit the apache config files in /etc/apache2/sites-available/instance1.conf (instance2.conf, instance3.conf, etc.)
22:39 wizzyrea and restart apache
22:40 wizzyrea maybe I'm not understanding what you're referring to as "ip references"
22:41 zenkit i wish to have each instance of koha referenced by a unique ip or port no.
22:41 wizzyrea then yeah, as before
22:42 zenkit is zebra indexing instantiated to index simultaneous?
22:43 wizzyrea pass
22:45 zenkit do i have to do configure anything in koha_config with regard to kohadb instances
22:46 wizzyrea you don't have to, but some things are nice to do
22:46 wizzyrea for example, your domain name is probably not mydnsname.com
22:46 wizzyrea so set that to your one
22:46 wizzyrea you might not like the intranet to have -intra, you might prefer -admin, or -staff
22:46 wizzyrea you might want to set memcached on by default for all new instances, that's in there
22:47 wizzyrea it sets the settings for all new instances
22:47 wizzyrea at least the ones created since you changed your koha_config
22:47 wizzyrea actually I just realised you might be asking a different question
22:48 wizzyrea i.e. "do I have to change anything in the koha-conf.xml related to the database"
22:48 wizzyrea the answer to that question is "no, if you are running the database server locally you do not"
22:48 zenkit related to zebra indexing
22:48 zenkit ...
22:48 wizzyrea if you are running the zebra server locally you shouldn't have to change anything
22:49 wizzyrea don't think too hard about it.
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22:50 zenkit :) ok. Let me give it a try and get back to you.
22:50 zenkit thanks a lot wizzyrea
22:50 wizzyrea good luck :90
22:50 wizzyrea :)
23:02 zenkit @wizzyrea i don't if will be suitable to koha on Amazon ec2 t2.nano 512 MB 1vCPU upto 3.3GHz
23:02 huginn` zenkit: downloading the Perl source
23:03 zenkit anyone please...
23:06 wizzyrea that's gonna be tight
23:06 wizzyrea I personally wouldn't go that small, especially if you anticipate any sort of actual usage.
23:07 zenkit 10GB of storage
23:07 zenkit 15,000 biblio
23:07 wizzyrea if you are running multiple instances, that will not be enough.
23:07 wizzyrea not enough even for one really
23:07 wizzyrea Koha isn't a lightweight anymore.
23:09 zenkit yes I realize recently, koha has put on weight
23:11 zenkit how about t2.micro? will that be suitable or your recommendation...
23:12 wizzyrea i wouldn't go with less than 2GB RAM and at least 20-30GB storage.
23:13 wizzyrea idk what the amazon sizes mean anymore I use the catalyst cloud :P
23:16 zenkit yes i c the price in catalyst seems much higher
23:18 zenkit Anyway I'll take your recommendation. thanks
23:24 wizzyrea oh I wasn't saying you should use that, just that I don't know what the names for aws sizes mean.
23:26 zenkit ya, I was referring to the minimum server config
23:28 zenkit I don't know if it would support 50-100 users at a given instance
23:31 wizzyrea 50-100 per instance with like 5 instances on the server?
23:31 wizzyrea each with 15k bibs?
23:31 wizzyrea a very small server, even that would be tight.
23:32 zenkit yes 15k
23:32 zenkit 2GB 20GB Storage
23:32 wizzyrea storage is cheap tho yeah?
23:32 wizzyrea don't skimp.
23:33 wizzyrea you might get away with it on that RAM
23:33 wizzyrea you just... don't wanna be running out of storage every night when you do backups for 5 instances.
23:33 wizzyrea it might be fine
23:34 wizzyrea but idk what all you're planning to keep in your Koha, and thusly don't really feel qualified to size your server.
23:34 zenkit alright i do then will be requiring more Storage
23:34 wizzyrea go as big as you can afford.
23:34 wizzyrea ^advice for life, really.
23:34 zenkit I hope 2GB RAM should fine?
23:35 wizzyrea i guess it's not terrible to size it up in that regard if it's not ok
23:35 wizzyrea work-wise
23:35 wizzyrea go as big as you can afford.
23:35 wizzyrea no, I don't want to say "yes that will be ok" because I really can't say.
23:36 lavamind you definately want more than 2gb of ram with 5 instances and plack
23:37 wizzyrea (I would personally never go that small if I was going to have more than one instance. But I am not you and I don't have your $$ constraints)
23:37 lavamind rangi: bug 15562 is definately what I'm looking for
23:37 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15562 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , Make Koha more suitable for shared hosting with plack
23:38 zenkit ya need to evaluate on the $
23:40 zenkit Can we also implement google OAuth for patrons?
23:42 lavamind zenkit: look in https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/
23:42 lavamind enhancement request are filed there
23:42 wizzyrea yes that's a feature
23:42 wizzyrea i think
23:42 wizzyrea at least someone was working on it
23:46 zenkit I came across the manual. Haven't tried yet. I wish it works well. Interesting feature. After all having multiple logins is a nightmare
23:58 zenkit gtg :wizzyrea  c y soon
23:58 zenkit bye

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