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mtj |
hiya #koha, fyi: i seem to have a working startup script, for the 'duped id' problem.. |
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mtj |
https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]uto_increment_fix |
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wizzyrea |
oh is it different from the existing one? |
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mtj |
kia ora wiz... naw.. its the same as suggested above |
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mtj |
http://git.kohaaloha.com/?p=mi[…]f=koha-mysql-init |
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wizzyrea |
ohhhh that is excellent :) |
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mtj |
..it basically uses systemd to run the magical SQL on mysql startup, for every koha instance |
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wizzyrea |
yes good |
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mtj |
i plan to create a proper KC bug/patch for it 'real soon'... but good to get some eyeballs on it early, in irc |
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thanks for the signoffs mtompset++ :0) |
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reiveune |
hello |
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alex_a |
bonjour |
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magnuse |
noone else running into bug 19492? |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19492 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Field 'lowestPriority' doesn't have a default value (MariaDB) |
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fridolin |
hi there |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
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wahanui |
bonjour, gaetan_B |
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magnuse |
heia benjamin |
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benjamin |
hei magnuse, talk to you in 1hour (meeting) about ILL? |
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magnuse |
benjamin: sure |
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cait |
good morning #koha |
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magnuse |
guten morgen cait |
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cait |
good mornign magnuse :) |
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marcelr |
hi #koha |
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eythian |
hi |
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wahanui |
bidet, eythian |
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* kidclamp |
waves |
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marcelr |
o/ |
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waves |
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marcelr |
kidclamp: will finish 16187 tomorrow; it 'waited' long enough.. |
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kidclamp |
heh |
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marcelr |
wait vs unfilled ;) |
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kidclamp |
thanks |
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Joubu |
hi |
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marcelr |
o/ |
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kidclamp |
hi Joubu |
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Joubu |
We have 2 critical bugs, with patches, waiting for a bit of love. They affects stable releases |
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marcelr |
Joubu: things are marked critical quite easily of course |
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Joubu |
"internal server error" on stable releases, it is critical for me |
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marcelr |
yeah the other one |
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Joubu |
it could be marked as major, if we did not have 10 majors |
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marcelr |
kidclamp: did you forget to set signed off status on bug 19487 or did you request an extra one ? |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19487 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Internal server error when writing off lost fine for item not checked out |
| 11:13 |
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kidclamp |
the former |
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wahanui |
the former is much more complicated. |
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marcelr |
go ahead and change it ! |
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kidclamp |
done |
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marcelr |
thx |
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marcelr |
Joubu: related to 19487, does Circulation/MarkIssueReturned.t still pass with you ? |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
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Joubu |
marcelr: nope |
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Joubu |
hi Owen! |
| 11:55 |
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Joubu |
marcelr: are you on it? |
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marcelr |
i was |
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Joubu |
it is quite simple, the call is done without a valid itemnumber, so now it does not die anymore |
| 11:56 |
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Joubu |
I think we should create the item in the tests |
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marcelr |
add a follow-up, and it is ready for qa |
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Joubu |
It makes more sense to me to check the existence of the issue instead of the config of the anonymous patron |
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cait |
bye, bbl |
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| 12:14 |
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marcelr |
hola tcohen |
| 12:14 |
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marcelr |
can you paste the content of your current kohadevbox plack.psgi ? |
| 12:14 |
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marcelr |
or is it identical to master ? |
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tcohen |
wait a seconf, I busted my virtualbox setup |
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tcohen |
:/ |
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Joubu |
marcelr: it's in master |
| 12:25 |
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Joubu |
the one in debian/templates |
| 12:25 |
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marcelr |
is it exactly the same one? |
| 12:25 |
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marcelr |
depends on the details.. |
| 12:26 |
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caroline_ |
Hi guys. I have a question. What could cause double check outs in Koha? |
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Joubu |
I am using exactly the same one, yes |
| 12:27 |
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marcelr |
too bad; a small difference might have given a clue |
| 12:27 |
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marcelr |
to me this is a critical one ;) |
| 12:28 |
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Joubu |
marcelr: reset_plack.pl from misc4dev |
| 12:28 |
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Joubu |
it does few sed, but I think it is obsolete |
| 12:28 |
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Joubu |
caroline_: double check outs? it should not be possible |
| 12:29 |
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Joubu |
there is a unique constraint on issues.itemnumber, that means you cannot have the same item checked out twice at the same time |
| 12:31 |
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caroline_ |
It is happening at one site. The same item is check out twice to the same user. Instead of 2 checkouts, it shows 4 checkouts |
| 12:32 |
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marcelr |
reset_plack will not resolve it; it is obsolete indeed, these paths were removed |
| 12:32 |
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caroline_ |
The librarian said they're using Internet Explorer. COuld that be the problem? |
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Joubu |
nope |
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Joubu |
caroline_: which version of Koha are you using? |
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caroline_ |
16.05 |
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Joubu |
There is one bug that is not resolved because we do not know how it happens: items are checked out but the "old_issues.returndate" is not set when checking in |
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caroline_ |
sorry 3.14 |
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marcelr |
oops |
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Joubu |
ha, you will have to upgrade |
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Joubu |
Why are you using that version? Do you have a customized version? |
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caroline_ |
Is that a know issue in 3.14? |
| 12:35 |
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caroline_ |
*known |
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caroline_ |
I have no idea. Maybe they didn't want to upgrade just yet |
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Joubu |
caroline_: no idea, 3.14 is very old now |
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Joubu |
3.14.17 at least? |
| 12:37 |
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caroline_ |
3.14.07 from my info, but it might not be up to date |
| 12:37 |
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Joubu |
if you have access to the mysql cli, you can try: select count(*) from issues where borrowernumber=XXX; |
| 12:38 |
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Joubu |
it will return the number of items that are really checked out |
| 12:38 |
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Joubu |
then select count(*) from old_issues where returndate is null and borrowernumber=XXX; |
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Joubu |
this last query should return 0 |
| 12:39 |
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Joubu |
caroline_: you should at least upgrade to the last 3.14.x version, which is 3.14.17 |
| 12:39 |
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Joubu |
3.14.07 has been released in may 2014... |
| 12:43 |
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caroline_ |
The select count(*) from issues gives me 4, itemnumbers 159013, 159013, 154522, 154522 |
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Joubu |
apparently 3.14 does not have the unique constraint... |
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caroline_ |
Ah, good to know... Thanks for your help! :) I will tell them to consider upgrading |
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Joubu |
the constraint is added by 3.21.00.048, but the upgrade will fail actually |
| 12:47 |
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caroline_ |
I will also tell the developpers to add the unique constraint to their version |
| 12:47 |
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Joubu |
you should fix that issue before upgrading |
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caroline_ |
ok |
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Joubu |
what happens if you check one item in? |
| 12:47 |
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Joubu |
Does it fail or both are checked in? |
| 12:49 |
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magnuse |
anyone got any experience with putting file-scheme links like "file://P:/HPX/V141.pdf" in 856u? |
| 12:49 |
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magnuse |
i know it will not work for anyone outside the customers LAN, but it should at least work there |
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caroline_ |
Both are returned |
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caroline_ |
I re-checked it out from my end and only one was added to the usesr's file |
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Joubu |
good news for you then :) Maybe you will want to delete one of the 2 checkins from the old_issues table, to fix the history |
| 12:53 |
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caroline_ |
Since there is no constraint, could it be mechanical, like the scanner scanned the barcode twice in quick succession and it checked out twice? |
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caroline_ |
At the same time, they told me it only started happening when they switched to IE |
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Joubu |
magnuse: the code is talking about indicator(1)==7 and subfield $2, see C4::Biblio::GetMarcUrls |
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magnuse |
Joubu: the html looks good, though: <a href="file://P:/HPX/V141.pdf">Klicka här för att gå online</a> |
| 12:56 |
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magnuse |
in chromium, when i right click on the link, there are no options related to links, like "open in a new pane" or "copy link address" |
| 12:56 |
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Joubu |
I guess it's the ':' |
| 12:57 |
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magnuse |
in firefox those options are there. "copy link address" works, but "open in a new pane" does nothing |
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magnuse |
s/pane/tab/ |
| 12:58 |
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magnuse |
ah, could be |
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Joubu |
magnuse: it is a URI reserved char, so you need to escape it |
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Joubu |
biblibre around? Simon? |
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magnuse |
Joubu: ah, i had not considered that, thanks for the pointer! |
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chris_n |
heya pianohacker |
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wahanui |
g/xml/d |
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chris_n |
Joubu: the issue was that patrons are forbidden to return books via self-check; all parameters mentioned thus far are set correctly as far as I can tell |
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chris_n |
guess I'll have to dig into it :-) |
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Joubu |
good luck then :) |
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will need it |
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ammopt |
hello everyone |
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hlx |
hi |
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ammopt |
i'm having problems with performance using serials |
| 15:04 |
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ammopt |
i have pinpointed the performance problem to the abouttoexpire function |
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ammopt |
located here: |
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ammopt |
https://github.com/Koha-Commun[…]/Serials.pm#L2166 |
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Joubu |
what is your Koha version? |
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ammopt |
namely when the function GetExpirationDate is called |
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ammopt |
16.11.12 |
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Joubu |
and hi :) |
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ammopt |
heyo |
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ammopt |
my question is how important is this function |
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ammopt |
and how should i go about hacking it |
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ammopt |
im afraid i might open holes somewhere else |
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Joubu |
did you display the startdate and enddate? |
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ammopt |
im thinking of inverting the if + elseif |
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ammopt |
you mean in the summary of the subscription? |
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Joubu |
select count(*) from subscription where startdate like "9999%" or enddate like "9999%"; |
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Joubu |
if you have date like 9999-12-31, the comparaison/calculation/etc will take ages |
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ammopt |
oh |
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ammopt |
i see |
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ammopt |
that must be it actually |
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ammopt |
ill run that query |
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ammopt |
well |
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ammopt |
10037 |
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ammopt |
i have 15k subscriptions total |
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ammopt |
that explains it, i guess |
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Joubu |
select count(*) from subscription where startdate like "9999%"; |
| 15:11 |
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Joubu |
select count(*) from subscription where enddate like "9999%"; |
| 15:11 |
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Joubu |
to see if it is startdate or enddate |
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ammopt |
its enddate |
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ammopt |
only 1 of those is startdate |
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ammopt |
the other 10.036 are endate |
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Joubu |
I'd say it is expected for enddate, check if the perf issue is only with the startdate=~^9999 or with others as well |
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ammopt |
I just checked my original data |
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ammopt |
our team developed a custom script to import biblios + create subscription + import serials |
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ammopt |
and it turns out in fact all of the data has 9999 in the field we're using for enddate |
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ammopt |
i will try to prove if it is indeed this that its causing the lag |
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ammopt |
and follow your suggestion |
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ammopt |
thanks a bunch |
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Joubu |
let us know if it's better after the changes |
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ammopt |
yes i hope to have a conlusion soon |
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ammopt |
i think i got it, Joubo |
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ammopt |
i think it has to do with periodicity |
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ammopt |
we have some data with "once a year" but the actual data doesnt respect that |
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ammopt |
the periodicity->{unit} is empty/false for the irregular subscriptions |
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ammopt |
so those are processed fast |
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ammopt |
but if there's any other periodicity defined, it lags |
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ammopt |
now i dont know if i should change the code or update all the data to irregular |
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Joubu |
if the data are bad, it's always better to update them :) |
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ammopt |
i still need to check if its because the subscriptions have periodicity defined |
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ammopt |
or if it is defined but not compatible with the actual serials |
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ammopt |
and for that i need to find an actual "real" subscription born in Koha |
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ammopt |
has nothing to do with the actual data not respecting the periodicity |
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ammopt |
if it has periodicity other than irregular -> takes 10 seconds, no matter what type of data |
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ammopt |
if irregular -> 1.5 secs |
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ammopt |
tested on an online demo, happens the same |
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ammopt |
also running 16.11.12 |
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ammopt |
except the online demo is a tad fast, probably cause the database is much lightier |
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ammopt |
online demo is instant with irregular and about 4 seconds with any other periodicity |
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* LeeJ |
waves |
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LeeJ |
hi #koha |
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LeeJ |
kidclamp++ |
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kidclamp |
what'd i do? |
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kidclamp |
oh, hah |
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kidclamp |
if you want to so that patch.... :-D |
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LeeJ |
I think I will as soon as I finish this method I'm writing :P |
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LeeJ |
does anyone know what the import_webservice_batch.pl do? It doesn't appear to have a perldoc so it's hard to include it in kohadocs |
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LeeJ |
aha! I'm thankful all old bug patches get archived! |
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cait: around? |
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cait |
yep |
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LeeJ: |
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cait |
hey |
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LeeJ |
cait: sorry got pulled to help with something :P |
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LeeJ |
cait: import_webservice_batch.pl has never been in kohadocs...what heading should it go under? Or should a new one be created? |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
i am not sure waht it does |
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cait |
is that the one for oclc connexion? |
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LeeJ |
cait: according to the patch here https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]hment.cgi?id=8256 its description is "a cron job for processing import batch queues of type 'webservice' batches can also be processed through the UI" |
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cait |
hmm |
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cait |
i think it was a little part of it |
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cait |
maybe |
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cait |
a daemon that listens for OCLC Connexion |
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cait |
ah |
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cait |
that's the other script |
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LeeJ |
should we include it? |
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cait |
i think we shoudl include both |
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cait |
with the description from the bug |
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LeeJ |
okay :) |
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cait |
might be helpful to somoene |
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cait |
brb - washing the dishes :) |
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LeeJ |
okay! |
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cait |
hi tomascohen[m] :) |
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tcohen |
hi |
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eythian |
Hi kathryn |
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kathryn |
hi eythian! |
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eythian |
Rumour has it I'm coming back for New Year's. |
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kathryn |
ooooOOOOoooooo |
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eythian |
I know this because someone i haven't spoken to since I left knew. |
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kathryn |
well that's a sure thang then |
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eythian |
Definitely |
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kathryn |
cool, I'll be around btw Christmas and NYs |
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eythian |
Sweet. I'm sure I'll attend some beer o'clock |
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eythian |
I need to work out the internal details still |
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kathryn |
I'll be on holiday from Christmas til the 9th or so, but can catch up sometime for sure |
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ibeardslee |
eythian: that's good I understand francois will be about around that time as well |
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eythian |
kathryn: hmm, I think I head back around the 7th |
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eythian |
ibeardslee: oh nice |
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eythian |
kathryn: but if your holiday is still around Wellington, it'll work :) |
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cait |
:) |
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LeeJ |
cait: so should I add a new section? Perhaps calling it OCLC? |
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cait |
i think the job might have been thougth to be general |
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LeeJ |
okay |
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cait |
the import webservice one |
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cait |
do we have something like catalouging? |
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LeeJ |
we have a Catalog section |
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cait |
that sounds ogod |
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LeeJ |
okay :) |
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LeeJ |
cait: by the way..there's a merge request pending |
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LeeJ |
:) |
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cait |
hehe i know |
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cait |
just a bit slow tonight |
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LeeJ |
all good! :) |
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cait |
thx for the work :) |
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LeeJ |
cait: glad to help :) |
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barton |
hey #koha, the 'Create from SQL' link seems to have disappeared from reports/reports-home.pl on master. Is there a different way to get to it that I'm missing? |
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cait |
do you have the create sql perm? |
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cait |
i still see the link |
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* wizzyrea |
wonders if the db update didn't update users who aren't superlibrarian to have the permission |
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wizzyrea |
or something like |
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cait |
hm if you are superlibrarian i think ti should just work |
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cait |
and was a separate permission for a long time |
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barton |
hm. I'm logged in as the database user (prolly not the best idea, but it's a fresh install) |
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cait |
yeah well, don't do that heh |
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wizzyrea |
haha |
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wizzyrea |
yeah don't do that. |
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wizzyrea |
I see it on master logged in as the db user though |
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wizzyrea |
custom JS? |
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barton |
wizzyrea: nope. I'm using master, fresh install. |
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wizzyrea |
dunno then, wfm |
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Joubu |
create a user anyway :) |
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wizzyrea |
^ |
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wizzyrea |
ffs, that's why we have the onboarder. |
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wizzyrea |
so you never log in with the db user. |
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Joubu |
there is also misc/devel/create_superlibrarian.pl |
| 20:24 |
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Joubu |
there is no excuse for using it :) |
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wizzyrea |
^^^ |
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barton |
yeah, I'm making that happen. |
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BobB |
morning |
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cait |
meeting in a moment |
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cait |
#startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 19 October 2017 |
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huginn` |
Meeting started Thu Oct 19 21:00:37 2017 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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huginn` |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
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Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 19 October 2017) |
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huginn` |
The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_19_october_2017' |
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cait |
#topic introductions |
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wahanui |
#info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
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Topic for #koha is now introductions (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 19 October 2017) |
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georgewilliams |
#info George Williams, Northeast Kansas Library System |
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cait |
please introduce yourself using #info :) |
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BobB |
#info Bob Birchall, Calyx, Australia |
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Joubu |
#info Jonathan Druart |
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caboose |
#info Michael Cabus, ByWater Solutions |
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cait |
#info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
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cait |
#link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]g_19_October_2017 today's agenda |
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rangi |
#info Chris Cormack, Catalyst NZ |
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cait |
#chair rangi |
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huginn` |
Current chairs: cait rangi |
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cait |
thx all cor coming! |
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cait |
#topic How does it work? |
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Topic for #koha is now How does it work? (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 19 October 2017) |
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cait |
I don't have new information since the last meeting, instrcutions are available on the wiki |
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cait |
but are there any questions about the process? |
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caboose |
I'm just getting my act together (missed last( but will review instructions :) |
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cait |
let me know if I can help :) |
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cait |
#link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]g_the_Koha_Manual Instructions on how to edit hte manual |
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cait |
moving on |
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BobB |
no contribution from me yet, cait, hoping to get to it in the next couple of weeks |
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cait |
BobB: thx! Irma has sent a merge request - waiting for her feedback on my comment |
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cait |
#topic What's been done so far |
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Topic for #koha is now What's been done so far (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 19 October 2017) |
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cait |
#info LeeJ has been cleaning up the cronjobs chapter and adding new things to it |
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cait |
#info Joubu fixed the problem with the screenshots that were not migrated correctly |
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cait |
#info jzairo has been working on a patron clubs feature - merged not long ago today |
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cait |
#info Documentation Sprint has been quite good, we got some first time contributors, more listed on the wiki |
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cait |
#link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]tation_Sprint_Day Past Documentation Sprint day |
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cait |
#info kellym has been updating the authorized values list |
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cait |
hope i didn't miss someone - every contribution is much appreciated |
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kellym |
#info kelly mcelligott bywater |
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rangi |
i fixed the search |
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rangi |
thats about all I got done |
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cait |
#info rangi fixed the search problem! |
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cait |
sorry :) |
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cait |
i'd like to move on to todo if that' sok |
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cait |
#topic Next steps |
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Topic for #koha is now Next steps (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 19 October 2017) |
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cait |
#link https://annuel2.framapad.org/p/KohaManualTodo todo list |
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cait |
we've listed some areas where descriptions are missing, authorised values and notices for examples |
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cait |
i think it would be good to take a look at the feature lists of the last releaess and check against the manuals what is missing |
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cait |
if someone wants to volunteer to fill up the list it would be nice :) |
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cait |
rangi, any technical todos? |
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rangi |
there are nicer ways to do translation than the way we currently do it for the old manual, id like to get one of those working |
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cait |
yes, translation is a big TODO |
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rangi |
https://pypi.python.org/pypi/sphinx-intl |
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rangi |
we can still use pootle, but there are easier was to generate the .po file |
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reiveune |
bye |
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cait |
hm but still po files then? |
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cait |
i thin one problem with pootle is if hte po files orders alphabetic |
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rangi |
yes |
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cait |
would be nice to have th estrings in the order they appear |
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rangi |
people can use transifex or anything they want with the .po file |
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kellym-kohamtg |
cait I can add to the to do list for 17.05 release including new sys pref and features |
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rangi |
its the currently the way we generate it, and regenerate the docs that is the messy bit |
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Joubu |
Are there notes somewhere already about that? |
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rangi |
Joubu: about what? |
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cait |
kellym-kohamtg: thx! sysprefs should be done up to 17.05, but everything else we didn't check |
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Joubu |
manual translation |
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Joubu |
the different possibilities, what has been tried already, etc. |
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cait |
#action kellym to add missing 17.05 features to to-do list |
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rangi |
i dont have the docs for the old docxml way, that was done by bernardo |
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rangi |
but this looks like the best way for sphinx |
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rangi |
http://www.sphinx-doc.org/en/stable/intl.html |
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cait |
for the old way there is inofrmation on the wiki |
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rangi |
and https://pypi.python.org/pypi/sphinx-intl |
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cait |
we haven't added anything there for sphinx yet |
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Joubu |
when will want to pick the strings that are already translated on the old manual I guess? |
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Joubu |
:s/when/we |
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Joubu |
(sorry, tired...) |
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rangi |
for the ones that are translated yes |
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rangi |
(which is spanish, french, chinese and german?) |
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rangi |
we can start fresh with the others |
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cait |
not german |
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cait |
but there are some |
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cait |
italian maybe too |
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rangi |
ah yes substitute italian for german |
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cait |
it's been a lot of work, would be good to save it |
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rangi |
the old way you get lots of duplicated stuff |
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rangi |
(like we do in our .tt) |
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rangi |
im hoping we can reduce lots of that |
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Joubu |
I will try to have a look at that, if nobody else does |
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cait |
ot as much in the manuals as in the interface i think, but yeah |
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Joubu |
why duplicated stuff? |
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Joubu |
strings should appear only once in the manual, so should not be picked twice |
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rangi |
heh no |
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rangi |
lots of strings repeat |
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Joubu |
ok sounds fun |
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rangi |
but i think sphinx-intl will do a much better job |
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rangi |
we will see :) |
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cait |
i still think translating in context would make up for repeats |
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Joubu |
ok, so the plan would be to first make it translatable easily, then reinject the strings that are already translated |
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cait |
not having context or knowing what the paragraph before referenced to is making things hard |
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rangi |
yeah |
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cait |
manual translation coudl be different to gui |
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cait |
ok |
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cait |
is there any action item we can look? |
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rangi |
i really dont want to build any more tools we have to look after |
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cait |
is someone volunteering to look into options? |
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rangi |
if we can use tools others are maintaining, rather than our own scripts its a massive win |
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Joubu |
I really would like to announce that the manual for 17.11 is ready, so I will try to have a look |
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rangi |
cool |
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Joubu |
at least estimate the amount of work we need |
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rangi |
thanks Joubu |
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cait |
#action Joubu is goingto look into options for manual translation |
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cait |
ok |
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cait |
something else? |
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wahanui |
well, something else is doing that, before you ran my rebuild |
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Joubu |
yes |
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Joubu |
wait |
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Joubu |
what's next? :) |
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cait |
getting more people involved |
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Joubu |
I would like to know what do we do for the new ft |
| 21:25 |
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cait |
new features? |
| 21:25 |
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wahanui |
new features are almost invariable meant for master |
| 21:25 |
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Joubu |
the ones that are going to be in 17.11 |
| 21:26 |
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cait |
we have a possible backlog to 16.11 or 16.05, not sure yet |
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cait |
kellym-kohamtg: was going to look at 17.05 release notes |
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kellym-kohamtg |
yes cait! |
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cait |
maybe we could provide 'alpha' release notes for 17.11 to get people started? |
| 21:26 |
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rangi |
they are there now |
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cait |
link? |
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wahanui |
link is both helpful/unhelpful |
| 21:27 |
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rangi |
https://koha-community.org/manual/17.11/html/ |
| 21:27 |
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rangi |
its always that pattern |
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Joubu |
I would like to do something for the release notes, provide them very early and make the contribution/fix easy |
| 21:27 |
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cait |
yeah, but not release notes to see what will be added :) |
| 21:27 |
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Joubu |
and highlight what is missing (new) |
| 21:27 |
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rangi |
ah right, misread |
| 21:27 |
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cait |
Joubu: hm? |
| 21:28 |
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rangi |
Joubu: you could use gitlab ci or jenkins |
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rangi |
to publish them somewhere |
| 21:28 |
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cait |
constantly bulid them |
| 21:28 |
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cait |
could work |
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Joubu |
new ft will be highlighted in the release note, with the "release notes" field |
| 21:28 |
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cait |
ah |
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Joubu |
- Is it enough to put that in the manual? |
| 21:28 |
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cait |
jenkins sounds like a good idea to me |
| 21:28 |
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cait |
no |
| 21:28 |
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Joubu |
- Does we ask dev to make something bigger for the manual? |
| 21:28 |
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Joubu |
- It is not a job for dev |
| 21:29 |
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cait |
because you can't see where it should go and it's suppoed to be a summary I think - not instructions how to use |
| 21:29 |
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Joubu |
- Do we want to have all these ft with enough doc when 17.11 is out? |
| 21:29 |
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cait |
without having the list I fear that we might not have enough people rightnow |
| 21:30 |
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cait |
we could try to get more people involved by having such a list |
| 21:30 |
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cait |
and if peope send me text i can make the patches to include |
| 21:30 |
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cait |
if that's a barrier |
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cait |
add screenshots too if they are sent separately |
| 21:31 |
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cait |
Joubu: could you check where we could keep the pre-release notes? and then we send an email to the mailng list to aks people to send merge requests or texts to koha-docs mailing list to include? |
| 21:31 |
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Joubu |
Anyone around that is willing to help documenting the new 17.11 features? |
| 21:32 |
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cait |
caboose-afk: don't go... was going to ask you about styling the manual :) |
| 21:32 |
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caboose-afk |
I definitely want to get involved |
| 21:32 |
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caboose-kohatmtg |
yeah I want to help with that for sure cait! |
| 21:32 |
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cait |
someone left some notes about ways on how to do that on the todo list |
| 21:32 |
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caboose-kohatmtg |
sweet |
| 21:33 |
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cait |
haven't had time to review, but might be a starting point |
| 21:33 |
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caboose-kohatmtg |
cool, I am on it |
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cait |
#info caboose to look into styling/improving the manual look and feel |
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cait |
Joubu: willing to try, but can't do it alone, so let's try mailing list next |
| 21:34 |
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cait |
#info If people want to send text and screenshots instead of merge requests, cait will turn that into patches |
| 21:35 |
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cait |
#action caboose to look into styling/improving the manual look and feel |
| 21:35 |
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cait |
#action Joubu to generate pre-release notes for manual work |
| 21:35 |
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cait |
search has been fixed |
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* Joubu |
duplicates himself |
| 21:36 |
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cait |
so i think we covered about all of the next steps topics listed now |
| 21:36 |
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cait |
sounds good :) |
| 21:36 |
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cait |
moving on? |
| 21:36 |
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cait |
#topic Getting more people involved |
| 21:36 |
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Topic for #koha is now Getting more people involved (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 19 October 2017) |
| 21:36 |
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cait |
actually that fits with the question about 17.11 |
| 21:37 |
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cait |
i think too early for another sprint maybe |
| 21:37 |
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cait |
any other ideas? |
| 21:37 |
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wahanui |
any other ideas are welcome as well |
| 21:38 |
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BobB |
as a company we want to help .... |
| 21:38 |
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Joubu |
people should stop sleeping |
| 21:38 |
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BobB |
but there are so many competing demands on everyone's time |
| 21:38 |
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cait |
Joubu: not sure I can do with even less... |
| 21:39 |
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BobB |
somehow we really need to get users to own this - librarians |
| 21:39 |
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wizzyrea |
^ |
| 21:39 |
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cait |
BobB: we understand, it's just turning into a global problem :) |
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georgewilliams |
As a librarian I want to help too but, like BobB says, there are a lot of demands on my time |
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cait |
all the koha people are super busy, which is good, so we need more of us and get libraries involved |
| 21:40 |
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BobB |
so keep pounding the mailing list? |
| 21:40 |
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cait |
georgewilliams: what would make it easy for you? |
| 21:40 |
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georgewilliams |
If there were two of me |
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BobB |
LOL |
| 21:40 |
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cait |
heh |
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cait |
maybe another thought |
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* wizzyrea |
fires up the cloning machine |
| 21:40 |
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Joubu |
(just a number, this year we have ~20 authors per months, last years it was ~30) |
| 21:40 |
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cait |
#info Please think about putting your name down for documentation team 18.05 |
| 21:40 |
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georgewilliams |
I'm being crushed by demands for help from the 51 libraries in our system, so my biggest issue is a complete lack of time |
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cait |
georgewilliams: maybe start small... you are lookign for something in the manual, don't find it, note it on the todo |
| 21:42 |
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georgewilliams |
That I can probably do |
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cait |
also when you notice a typo or whatever |
| 21:42 |
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georgewilliams |
That's a good idea - a good starting point |
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Joubu |
cait: maybe you should (just in case...) add a message on the kanba. There was a documation epic with lot of people interesting by contributing to the manual |
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cait |
the todo is made so it can't be done quickly, no log in or anything |
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Joubu |
kanban* |
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cait |
#info If you ntoice something missing on the manual, a typo, some error, please take a short moment to note on the to-do list! |
| 21:43 |
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cait |
#action cait to update the kanban with latest developments/needs |
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cait |
and if any of you know someone who would be good to contribute something, please ask them |
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cait |
moving onto setting a date for the next meeting ok? |
| 21:44 |
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cait |
it's awfully late here |
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georgewilliams |
And I'll also report on this meeting and the need for contributers at the next Koha-US meeting |
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cait |
excellent! |
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caboose-kohatmtg |
:) |
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cait |
#action georgewilliams to report about the documentation meeting and the need for contributors at the next Koha-US meeting |
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cait |
cool |
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cait |
#topic Set time of next meeting |
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Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 19 October 2017) |
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cait |
so release is end of nov |
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cait |
should we meet agian before? |
| 21:46 |
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Joubu |
in 3 weeks |
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caboose-kohatmtg |
perfect |
| 21:47 |
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cait |
Joubu: can you suggest a date? |
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Joubu |
+3w, Now 8th :) |
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Joubu |
Nov |
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cait |
is that ok for everyone? |
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kellym-kohamtg |
yes |
| 21:47 |
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caboose-kohatmtg |
yep |
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georgewilliams |
yes |
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cait |
hm let me quickly chekc my calendar |
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Joubu |
ha, it's a Wed |
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Joubu |
maybe 9th then |
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BobB |
Nov 8 is a Wednesday |
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cait |
hm will be having trainign that week |
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cait |
so that week is generally bad for me, unless somoene else could chair |
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cait |
is a week later still ok? maybe monday? |
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caboose-kohatmtg |
that works for me |
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cait |
13th |
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cait |
same time? at least we should go into winter time before that, so a little bette rfor me (if I calculated correctly) |
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georgewilliams |
13th works here |
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kellym-kohamtg |
that date works for me! |
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cait |
#agreed next meeting will be on Monday, 13 November, 21 UTC |
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cait |
#endmeeting |
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Meeting ended Thu Oct 19 21:52:07 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
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Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-10-19-21.00.html |
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Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]19-21.00.log.html |
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cait |
thx all for attending! |
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caboose-kohatmtg |
thank you cait! |
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BobB |
thank you cait |
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cait |
time to sleep :) |
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cait |
bye all! |
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