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amitgupta |
hi all |
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wizzyrea |
hi |
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wahanui |
hi, wizzyrea |
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wizzyrea |
@later tell gmcharlt hi, when you have a moment, could we get perldoc.koha-community.org updated with the newer versions? please and thank youuuuuuu |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
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wizzyrea |
@later tell joubu hi, meetings.koha-community.org is wrangled by gmcharlt, I've asked him to add the 2017 stuff |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
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wizzyrea |
@later tell gmcharlt also joubu asked for "could you (please) add 2014-2017 entries on http://meetings.koha-community.org/2017?" |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
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amitgupta |
hi wizzyrea |
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amitgupta |
@ bug 19033 |
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huginn |
amitgupta: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19033 is not accessible. |
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amitgupta |
hi indradg |
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indradg |
amitgupta hi |
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hello |
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* magnuse |
waves |
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waves |
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* magnuse |
waves again |
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* atheia |
waves too |
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* cait |
gets a little sea sick |
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cait |
atheia: are you around today? |
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atheia |
cait: yup I am :-) |
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cait |
cool |
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cait |
i have to bake some cake first, but maybe will get some time to look at stock rotation a little later |
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atheia |
Ooh, that'd be amazing! I'll rebase before then! |
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magnuse |
and then add some tests to bug 7317? ;-) |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7317 new feature, P5 - low, ---, alex.sassmannshausen, Patch doesn't apply , Add an Interlibrary Loan Module to Circulation and OPAC |
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amitgupta |
hi cait |
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cait |
hi amitgupta :) |
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cait |
baking ... hot temperatures... not my best idea |
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atheia |
magnuse hah, indeed, rather sooner than later! |
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cait |
only 3 months left |
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cait |
not a lot of time for the big enh |
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magnuse |
yeah, now would be a good time to get ill in |
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atheia |
cait: just so you know, stock rotation applies cleanly except for a staff.css file in one of the commits. Martin is adapting the API paths to the new open api framework, and after that I'll rebase. |
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atheia |
But this shouldn't change any of the testable stuff. |
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cait |
? |
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cait |
new open api framework? you lost me :) |
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cait |
do you mean the restful api? |
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cait |
is the conflict in the staff css easily solvable? |
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marcelr |
hi #koha |
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cait |
hi marcelr |
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marcelr |
:) |
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cait |
have to run off for a little while |
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cait |
bbl bye all |
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marcelr |
cu |
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magnuse |
@later tell cait maybe atheia was referring to bug 18137? |
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huginn |
magnuse: The operation succeeded. |
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magnuse |
bug 18137 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18137 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lari.taskula, Failed QA , REST API: Migrate from Mojolicious::Plugin::Swagger2 to Mojolicious::Plugin::OpenAPI |
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atheia |
argh, yeah magnuse, that's exactly right! |
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atheia |
@later tell cait Magnuse is right, it's about 18137. re: the merge conflict, yeah it's super easy! |
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atheia: The operation succeeded. |
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marcelr |
ashimema: is colin still around for testing bug 18996 ? |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18996 major, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , SIP sets ok flag to true for refused checkin for data corruption |
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tcohen |
morning |
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marcelr |
hi tcohen |
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magnuse |
kia ora tcohen |
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eythian |
marcelr: not coming to the conference? |
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marcelr |
no sorry |
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marcelr |
dont know anything about perl :) |
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tcohen |
:-P |
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atheia |
Hey tcohen, have you recently tried Bug 18137? |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18137 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lari.taskula, Passed QA , REST API: Migrate from Mojolicious::Plugin::Swagger2 to Mojolicious::Plugin::OpenAPI |
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atheia |
Trying to adapt Stockrotation for that, but the API tests seem to fail quite spectacularly with it? |
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tcohen |
atheia: what you are looking for is |
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tcohen |
sudo cpanm -i Mojolicious 7.21 ; sudo cpanm -i JSON::Validator0.97 ; sudo cpanm -i Mojolicious::Plugin::OpenAPI1.15 |
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oleonard |
Trying to do a hard reset on a branch and I'm getting some of these: "error: unable to unlink old 'C4/Koha.pm' (Text file busy)" |
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oleonard |
Anyone know what that means? |
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atheia |
Sounds like some form of read lock oleonard ? |
| 13:23 |
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atheia |
never had it before though… |
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atheia |
tcohen, thanks, will try. |
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ashimema |
tcohen.. we need to pin that OpenAPI dependancy in the patch then.. currently it's min_ver.. without a max_ver ;) |
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* ashimema |
should also check Validator for the same pin |
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tcohen |
we have tried higher versions successfuly |
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ashimema |
well for me with latest dependancies all the tests fail ;) |
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tcohen |
I'd go for Validator 1.00 but drojf prefers what's on unstable |
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tcohen |
I tested Mojo 7.36, Validator 1.00 |
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tcohen |
and yes, Mojolicious::Plugin::OpenAPI failed starting at some version |
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ashimema |
ok.. going back to 1.15.. the tests all fail in a different way now |
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tcohen |
ashimema: what are you actually trying to test? |
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rsantellan |
good morning #koha |
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ashimema |
currently.. just trying to run any t/db_dependant/api/v1/* tests fail ;) |
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ashimema |
the error with latest OpenAPI is that openapi.spec isn't defined where the code thinks it is so authenticaton always succeeds even when it should fail |
| 13:30 |
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tcohen |
are you going to fix it? |
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ashimema |
the error with OpenAPI 1.15 is '[{"message":"No responses rules defined for status 403.","path":"\/"}]' |
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ashimema |
lots of them |
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wahanui |
lots of them are kinda invisible |
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ashimema |
which is odd.. as they're clearly in the spec |
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ashimema |
erm.. well.. this was meant to be a 5 minute job today ;) |
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tcohen |
https://snag.gy/HboTC7.jpg |
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tcohen |
it works for me |
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lol |
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Joubu |
marcelr: what is not clear in the first email? I can answer but I am going to rephrase what I already said |
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rsantellan |
Hi, I have a library that wants to migrate koha to the cloud. Is a really small library and I'm looking for hosting providers. Is one that people are using? recommend one? So far I have looked at digital ocean and the small droplet but don't know if it will handle koha |
| 13:43 |
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ashimema |
hmm |
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ashimema |
I pretty much get a 501 for everything in the api tests.. |
| 13:43 |
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ashimema |
am I missing a step somewhere? |
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ashimema |
it's been ages since I worked on the Koha API stuff :( |
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tcohen |
ashimema: maybe you have some manually installed conflicting versions on @INC? |
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tcohen |
this is plain jessie + koha-common + the specific versions installed using cpanm |
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tcohen |
(i.e. kohadevbox) |
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nukes his dev env and tries again |
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lari |
ashimema: latest M::P::OpenAPI version works together with Bug 18890. but otherwise below 1.17 should work |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18890 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lari.taskula, Needs Signoff , REST API: Fix fetching operation spec in route chain |
| 13:47 |
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ashimema |
thanks lari |
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* ashimema |
seems to remember his concerns about relying on such a fast moving distro ;) |
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Joubu |
lari: Hi! There are still a warning in the tests |
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tcohen |
Joubu: fixed :-D |
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Joubu |
tcohen: thx |
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Joubu |
Did not we communicate on the koha ML about the move marcxml>biblio_metadata? |
| 14:18 |
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tcohen |
Joubu: we did |
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tcohen |
and the announcement included words about it too |
| 14:19 |
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Joubu |
could you find the email? I do not find it |
| 14:21 |
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tcohen |
Joubu: I see the release notes don't have an 'Important notice' section at the top as they used to |
| 14:21 |
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tcohen |
so no |
| 14:21 |
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tcohen |
the answer is no |
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Joubu |
tcohen: the notice is not at the top, but lost in the middle of the changelog |
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Joubu |
https://koha-community.org/koha-17-05-released/ |
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tcohen |
yup |
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tcohen |
We usually added a section at the top, with important remarks |
| 14:26 |
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tcohen |
https://koha-community.org/koha-3-22-released/ |
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Joubu |
quite bad... |
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bbl |
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greenjimll |
Quick question to the dev community: I've just tweaked opac-suggestions.tt on my kohadevbox to include a "quantity" field, so that end users can suggest how many copies to buy. Seems to work, but are there any potential issues with this which are why it isn't in the UI already? |
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oleonard |
No way to know without testing it greenjimll. Could you create a bug report and attach a patch? |
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oleonard |
My only objection would be that I wouldn't expect a user of the OPAC to know the right quantity to suggest. |
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oleonard |
But that's from the point of view of a public library. |
| 15:50 |
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greenjimll |
Yeah, sure. I didn't want to do that if everyone yelled "Noooo!" immediately. Its only a oneliner in opac-suggestions.tt. |
| 15:51 |
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greenjimll |
I think our librarians would like academics to suggest the quantities sometimes, as they may know how many students they expect on modules before the University central admin folk do. Librarians can edit the quantity in the suggestion. |
| 15:51 |
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oleonard |
Well, someone may have tried this before and it unleashed a powerful demon from the dimension of suffering, but that was an earlier Koha version. |
| 15:51 |
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greenjimll |
:-) |
| 15:51 |
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tcohen |
greenjimll: I bet opac-suggestions.pl needs tweaking |
| 15:52 |
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greenjimll |
No, it didn't. It just looks at the names of CGI variables being passed in. |
| 15:53 |
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greenjimll |
Thanks folks... I'll pop a low priority enhancement in Bugzilla for this. |
| 15:53 |
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oleonard |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=731732 major, P5 - low, ---, RESOLVED WONTFIX , OPAC suggestion form releases demon from dimension of suffering |
| 15:54 |
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greenjimll |
:-) |
| 15:54 |
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* tcohen |
is scared to read that we are passing data without processing what comes from the HTML |
| 15:54 |
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cait |
people could still hide quantity if you add a nice id to it |
| 15:55 |
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tcohen |
or yet another syspref |
| 15:56 |
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oleonard |
If I'm running 'vagrant up' on a new devbox and it's taking a reeeally long time, should I take some action? |
| 15:56 |
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oleonard |
Check if something is broken? |
| 15:58 |
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oleonard |
I should add that I just upgraded vagrant and virtualbox, which is a mistake I keep making. |
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ashimema |
yas = yet another syspref.. I like it |
| 16:07 |
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Joubu |
It's yasp: yet another system preference ;) |
| 16:08 |
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ashimema |
hehe |
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amitgupta |
hi Joubu |
| 16:14 |
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Joubu |
Hi amitgupta |
| 16:15 |
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greenjimll |
olenard: I had to make a new kohadevbox myself this morning and it does take a while. Git clone seems to be the culprit, so maybe leave it for a few hours? |
| 16:24 |
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Joubu |
greenjimll: you should clone the repo on the host then use the SYNC_REPO env var |
| 16:24 |
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Joubu |
(if you are talking about clone the Koha repo) |
| 16:29 |
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greenjimll |
In my case it was the Koha repo that was broken... the vagrant destroy/recreate was the "nuclear option" to fix the problem I'd created for myself. |
| 16:30 |
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greenjimll |
kohadevbox For The Win again by the way. :-) |
| 16:30 |
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amitgupta |
;) |
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Dyrcona |
Stompro: Have you considered asking your Z39.50 question here? |
| 16:34 |
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Stompro |
Dyrcona, I hadn't, I don't know what Koha's z39.50 server settings look like, if they ask for all the same info that EG asks for. |
| 16:34 |
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Dyrcona |
Well, we could find out. :) |
| 16:39 |
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Stompro |
Dyrcona, Thanks for the suggestion, I'll try here when I get a chance. |
| 16:40 |
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Dyrcona |
OK. I'm looking into two unrelated problems, and 1 has me quite perplexed. :) |
| 16:40 |
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Dyrcona |
But that's a discussion for a different channel. |
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bag |
rangi++ |
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bag |
thanks for the keynote |
| 17:02 |
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cait |
rangi++ |
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cait |
i will be around too, if someone wnats to ask questions/needs help with the manual updating |
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Joubu |
@later tell amitgupta see 18726 |
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huginn |
Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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cait |
btw - the US conf is broadcasting now, if someone wants to listen in |
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cait |
they are just in a break, but will be back soon |
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tcohen |
keynote? |
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cait |
rangi keynoted the US conf remotely |
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indradg |
kia ora #koha |
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indradg |
did we ever completely solve the issue with unicode for label printing ? |
| 18:06 |
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cait |
indradg: hm i think we did |
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cait |
indradg: check the true font mappings in your koha-conf.xml |
| 18:06 |
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cait |
if oyu link fonts with the characters, it should now work i think |
| 18:06 |
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cait |
maybe the default ones are ok already, we didn't test this deeply, but i have seen examples with arabic i think |
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indradg |
cait: on 16.11.10 - this is without bengali TTF in the koha-conf.xml - as expected https://imagebin.ca/v/3WJNE6cMQnGV |
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indradg |
cait: however, with bengali ttf (noto sans bengali) this is what I get - the red bordered is the output, the green bordered is the expected output https://imagebin.ca/v/3WJNVadfMD5f |
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* magnuse |
waves |
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magnuse |
bag: HI! |
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* indradg |
waves as magnuse |
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indradg |
s/as/at |
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magnuse |
oy, no waving as me, please! ;-) |
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magnuse |
gah, too slow |
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indradg |
lol |
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* indradg |
is scratching head over bengali collation sequence rendering in label print |
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cait |
sorry indradg, looking onw |
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cait |
hm interesting |
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wahanui |
well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
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cait |
i suspected it would be broken |
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cait |
i mean as you said if it worked or not |
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cait |
is bengali ltr or rtl? |
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indradg |
cait: its ltr |
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indradg |
and AFAICT all conjunct clusters are broken |
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cait |
it looks like the first and second character are switched, is that right? |
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indradg |
yes, the second char in the wrong rendering is the vowel which is supposed to modify the the first (a consonent) |
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indradg |
so what is happening here is instead of what would be phonetically - be "beek" becomes "boki" |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
sorry, I think i have to pass on that one |
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cait |
maybe try a different font? |
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cait |
to see if it makes any difference |
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cait |
i think when we first tested this some font worked in bold but not italic or something like htat |
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cait |
and maybe file a bug with the example |
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eythian |
cait: the conference has many German people. You're missing! |
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eythian |
also, some of them are confused by the fact that the water is free. |
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indradg |
tried with Google's NOTO Bengali (both regular and bold) and with Lohit Bengali which is the default BN_IN font for RHEL & Fedora |
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indradg |
water is not a Human Right... thus spake the CEO Nestle many moons back :O |
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magnuse |
nestle-- |
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cait |
eythian: don't make me feel bad plz |
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eythian |
cait: freeee waaaateeer! |
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cait |
eythian: you know, i amwell travelled... I have seen that before:) |
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eythian |
heh |
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cait |
bonus points if the free water doesn't taste like swimming pool:) |
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cait |
jzairo++ first contribution to the Koha manual! |
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magnuse |
jzairo++ |
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jzairo |
yay!! So excited, more to come!! |
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jzairo |
cait++ for all the help |
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cait |
didn't do much, was all you. hoping for more of course :) |
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jzairo |
:) |
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eythian |
cait: it has lemon and mint and stuff in it |
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eythian |
(also, Amsterdammers are very proud of their water for some reason :) |
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indradg |
eythian, that's water or lemonade? :D |
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eythian |
just water. With stuff floating in it for a little flavour. |
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magnuse |
cait++ |
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magnuse |
meeting in... 3 hours? |
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cait |
huh thx for the reminder |
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cait |
welcome jenkins |
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oleonard |
dev meeting? |
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wahanui |
dev meeting is in an hour correct? |
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Joubu |
dev meeting is https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]pers_IRC_Meetings |
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Joubu |
dev meetings is https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]pers_IRC_Meetings |
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Joubu |
dev meeting? |
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wahanui |
well, dev meeting is in an hour correct? |
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Joubu |
forget dev meeting |
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wahanui |
Joubu: I forgot dev meeting |
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Joubu |
dev meeting is https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]pers_IRC_Meetings |
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Joubu |
dev meeting? |
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wahanui |
dev meeting is https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]pers_IRC_Meetings |
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KotH |
good evening |
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wahanui |
evening is the time of day we all look forward too |
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oleonard |
welp, vagrant seems to be dead for me. |
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oleonard |
even "vagrant status" never completes |
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indradg |
@seen cait |
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huginn |
indradg: cait was last seen in #koha 33 minutes and 1 second ago: <cait> welcome jenkins |
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cait |
here |
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cait |
here |
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indradg |
cait: if I'm not mistaken (disclaimer: i really don't know PDF::Reuse) - this looks like an upstream bug |
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cait |
you mean something wrong in PDF::Reuse? |
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cait |
@seen LeeJ |
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huginn |
cait: LeeJ was last seen in #koha 2 days, 3 hours, 39 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <LeeJ> well I'm heading out for now..take care all! |
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gmcharlt |
@later tell wizzyrea I've updated meetings.koha-community.org |
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huginn |
gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
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indradg |
cait: I tried this - https://pastebin.com/ETzKwXgw |
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indradg |
and I get this - http://205.147.100.238/test.pdf |
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indradg |
cait: the exact same issue as with our labels |
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cait |
hm |
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KotH |
is there a good resource on how to get barcodes printed with a label printer? i'm totally confused after reading the documentation |
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cait |
maybe you could file a bug with the module maintainer? and link to it from bugzilla? |
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cait |
KotH: did you take a look at the bywater tutorial videos too? |
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cait |
slightly old version, but not so heavy changes in that module i think http://bywatersolutions.com/20[…]-layouts-in-koha/ |
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KotH |
cait: some.. |
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KotH |
yes, seen that one |
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wahanui |
I haven't seen 'that', KotH |
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cait |
http://bywatersolutions.com/20[…]bels-in-koha-3-4/ |
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* indradg |
waves at talljoy |
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talljoy |
hi indradg |
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indradg |
:) |
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cait |
the only other instructions i have to offer are in German https://wiki.bsz-bw.de/doku.ph[…]h:werkzeuge:start (Kurzanleitung Etikettendruck) |
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KotH |
german is fine :) |
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KotH |
cait: thanks.. that pdf explains what the settings actually do! |
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KotH |
btw: what is a good way to create barcodes? |
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KotH |
as in, how do i choose them in a sane way? |
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cait |
oh, where are you from? :) |
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KotH |
depends on which "from" you mean :-) |
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cait |
heh |
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KotH |
originally: switzerland, but i'm now sitting in saarbrücken |
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cait |
oh! |
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cait |
now i am glad i dug up our instructions |
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KotH |
hehe |
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KotH |
good instructions are good :-) |
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cait |
i will forward that to my coworker :) |
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cait |
would you share your library? always curious about the German ones |
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gmcharlt |
@later wizzyrea and perldoc is updating as well; note that as of this writing, it will be another 10-20 minutes before it finishes generating patches for all of the new tags and branches |
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huginn |
gmcharlt: I suck |
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gmcharlt |
@later tell wizzyrea and perldoc is updating as well; note that as of this writing, it will be another 10-20 minutes before it finishes generating patches for all of the new tags and branches |
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huginn |
gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
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* cait |
waves at gmcharlt |
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* gmcharlt |
waves back at cait |
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cait |
:) |
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Joubu |
thanks gmcharlt! |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 17829: (follow-up) Move GetMember to Koha::Patron - routing-lists.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c662a34e335127ff6> / Bug 19023 - inventory tool performance <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]99fcdf3369c756fd4> / Bug 18898 - Some permissions for Reports can be bypassed <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p |
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Joubu |
gmcharlt: ha! Could you add the 2017 entry on the home page too? |
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Joubu |
the cache! |
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gmcharlt |
Joubu: you mean http://meetings.koha-community.org/? |
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Joubu |
gmcharlt: yes, but it is! I did not refresh correctly the page, sorry |
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gmcharlt |
no worries; besides, I just noticed that I need to updated the footer |
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KotH |
cait: uhmm... my "library" is the books i own |
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KotH |
cait: nothing public |
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cait |
np - that's valid too :) |
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KotH |
cait: i just have too many books |
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cait |
hm what do I do when the kohadevbox has the wrong date? |
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cait |
found it |
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KotH |
ok... now the lables look half decent |
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KotH |
comming back to my other question: what is a sane way to asign barcodes? |
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KotH |
what rules do people usually use? |
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KotH |
just starting at 1 and counting up? |
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gmcharlt |
KotH: for a personal collection, that's a very reasonable approach |
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Joubu |
cait: `sudo apt install ntp` :) |
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cait |
yes :) |
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cait |
maybe we should add this to kohadevbox |
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cait |
i was really irritated by my calculated due dates |
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KotH |
gmcharlt: and what would a sane scheme for a larger setting be? |
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gmcharlt |
KotH: it depends - there are a few barcode schemes like 14-digit Codabar and 14-digit Code 39 that often get used by libraries in my experience |
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cait |
we often start with something like 100000 to keep them more same length |
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gmcharlt |
another consideration is, if one things that one's library might start regularly sharing resources among neighboring libraries, to try to keep ones barcode numbers unique among the set of libraries one might share with |
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gmcharlt |
*one thinks |
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cait |
there is an autobarcode setting with several settings |
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* cait |
nods |
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cait |
sometimes a prefix with sequential number after it is used then |
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cait |
i think most schemes I know try to have the barcode always the same length - sometimes a check digit is added that the scanner can calculate and check |
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cait |
our libraries usually by the labels preprinted from a vendor, so we are not involved that much |
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josef_moravec |
in czech Republic, we have central register of bracode prefixes, useful ;) |
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KotH |
hmm? don't all barcodes contain a check? |
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KotH |
josef_moravec: lol.. registring my prefix would be kind of overkill :-D |
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josef_moravec |
KotH: maybe ;) but when you try to do ILL it's useful ;) |
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KotH |
jupp |
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KotH |
but for that, i would need to enter a library network.. which i probably never will |
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KotH |
unless people are interested in having my weird and habhazard collection of books :) |
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josef_moravec |
KotH: :D |
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Joubu |
@later tell tcohen why koha-plack-debug is in kohadevbox and not koha? |
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huginn |
Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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Joubu |
Will we have someone to chair the meeting? I am not going to attend to this one. |
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cait |
i will probably be aorund |
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cait |
Joubu: any opinion on the ES6 thing? |
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cait |
hi tcohen |
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tcohen |
hi |
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wahanui |
bonjour, tcohen |
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Joubu |
nope |
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tcohen |
meeting? |
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wahanui |
hmmm... meeting is in two days, i thought was tomorrow. plenty of time then |
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Joubu |
It would be good to get feedback from users and support companies |
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Joubu |
tcohen: in ~1h |
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Joubu |
tcohen: I will not attend, are you willing to chair? |
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tcohen |
I can try |
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tcohen |
Joubu: koha-plack-debug is submitted to bugzilla |
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tcohen |
https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=18964 |
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huginn |
Bug 18964: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-plack should have a --debugger switch |
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tcohen |
I just grabbed it for kohadevbox until it gets pushed |
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Joubu |
ok, did not realize it was the same file |
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Joubu |
bye #koha, have a good dev meeting |
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tcohen |
bye! |
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cait |
rangi ping me when you are around? |
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cait |
have a question about adding images to the manual |
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wizzyrea |
hi |
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wahanui |
hola, wizzyrea |
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wizzyrea |
thank you gmcharlt :D |
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rangi |
here now cait |
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tcohen |
hi rangi cait |
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tcohen |
brb |
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jzairo |
cait++ |
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bag |
cait++ |
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pianohacker |
hi all |
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josef_moravec |
hi pianohacker |
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josef_moravec |
and all ;) |
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pianohacker |
hi josef_moravec :) |
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cait |
oh right |
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cait |
meeting time |
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wahanui |
mmm meat |
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cait |
one sec |
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BobB |
good morning |
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wahanui |
the only good morning is a dead one |
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cait |
will start the meeting |
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cait |
#startmeeting Development IRC meeting 9 August 2017 |
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huginn |
Meeting started Wed Aug 9 22:00:43 2017 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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huginn |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
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Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 August 2017) |
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huginn |
The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_9_august_2017' |
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cait |
#topic Introductions |
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wahanui |
#info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
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Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 August 2017) |
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tcohen |
#info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions |
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pianohacker |
#info Jesse Weaver |
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jenkins |
Project Koha_Master_D8 build #237: UNSTABLE in 2 hr 2 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/237/ |
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jenkins |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 18906: Display all funds the logged in user can use |
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jenkins |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 18898 - Some permissions for Reports can be bypassed |
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cait |
please introduce yourself with #info following tcohen's example |
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jenkins |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 19023 - inventory tool performance |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18906 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Superlibrarian and budget_manage_all users should always see all funds |
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jenkins |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 17829: (follow-up) Move GetMember to Koha::Patron - routing-lists.pl |
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wizzyrea |
#info Liz Rea, Catalyst IT |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18898 major, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Some permissions for Reports can be bypassed |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19023 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Pushed to Master , inventory tool performance |
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rangi |
#info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17829 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Move GetMember to Koha::Patron |
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cait |
#info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
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BobB |
#info Bob Birchall, Calyx |
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atheia |
#info Alex Sassmannshausen, PTFS Europe, UK |
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josef_moravec |
#info Josef Moravec, Municipal LIbrary Usti nad Orlici, Czech Republic |
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cait |
#chair tcohen |
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huginn |
Current chairs: cait tcohen |
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cait |
#link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ing_9_August_2017 today's agenda |
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LeeJ |
#info Lee Jamison, Marywood University |
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tcohen |
hi everyone |
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mtj |
#info Mason James, NZ |
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mtj |
hi folks |
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BobB |
hi mtj |
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pianohacker |
hello, NZ :) |
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cait |
ready to continue? :) |
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pianohacker |
(/AUS) |
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cait |
#topic Announcements |
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Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 August 2017) |
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cait |
anyone? |
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wahanui |
i heard anyone was free to organize one at any time :-) |
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tcohen |
I wanted add a small comment |
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cait |
#info We just added a section on how to add screenshots to the manual with gitlab |
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cait |
#link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ing_9_August_2017 |
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cait |
hm wrong link |
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cait |
#link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]shots_with_gitlab right link |
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cait |
tcohen: go ahead |
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bag |
#info Bag Brendan gallagher |
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tcohen |
#info tcohen is doing QA full time this week, please help him notice things you consider important besides the ones the RM notes |
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caboose |
#info Michael Cabus, caboose |
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josef_moravec |
cait++ |
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cait |
tcohen: the clean-up script |
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josef_moravec |
tcohen++ |
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bag |
hackfest friday and saturday at kohaus |
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tcohen |
cait: yes, I've added a followup to it, and am discussing it with Joubu, its quite tricky |
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josef_moravec |
tcohen: bug 14826 |
| 22:05 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14826 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Resurrect account offsets table |
| 22:05 |
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cait |
yeah, it is |
| 22:05 |
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tcohen |
it would be great if people from oceania could take a look |
| 22:05 |
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cait |
maybe we can do the issues first, they seem less tricky than the others |
| 22:05 |
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tcohen |
while we sleep |
| 22:06 |
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cait |
looking for the bug number |
| 22:06 |
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bag |
I will we be trying to teach people how to use the sandboxes. Also tcohen I may try to help some people set up their own kohadevbox - so I may need to ping you for help |
| 22:06 |
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tcohen |
josef_moravec: I did that too, asked for some followups khall promply submitted before I was released from others he |
| 22:06 |
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cait |
tcohen: do you have it on hand? |
| 22:06 |
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tcohen |
bag: np |
| 22:06 |
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tcohen |
cait: which? |
| 22:06 |
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wahanui |
which is the most maintainable |
| 22:06 |
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tcohen |
bug 19016 |
| 22:06 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19016 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Add a script to fix corrupted data |
| 22:06 |
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cait |
bag: if you can, please also encourage to try editing the manual |
| 22:06 |
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LeeJ |
bag: you should also mention they can help write the manual if they like to document! ;D |
| 22:07 |
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LeeJ |
haha |
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bag |
cait: I’m going to ask jzairo to lead that up |
| 22:07 |
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bag |
but rangi encouraged most here to do manual work :) |
| 22:07 |
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cait |
#info bug 19016 - Add a script to fix corrupted data needs attention and testers |
| 22:07 |
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cait |
I will be around too if there are questions, i think at least some of the time |
| 22:08 |
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tcohen |
another thing I'd like to mention is that |
| 22:08 |
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bag |
thanks cait |
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rangi |
it's always a trip for me to see tables i created in 1999, that got removed, now coming back :-) |
| 22:08 |
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bag |
ha |
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cait |
#info Koha-US Conference is taking place this week, it's broadcasted http://koha-us.net/index.php/2[…]oha-US_Conference |
| 22:09 |
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tcohen |
our jenkins nodes design is quite difficult to keep in sync so it works with different dependencies |
| 22:09 |
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tcohen |
right now we have a situation in which pushing the needed REST api upgrade patches |
| 22:09 |
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tcohen |
would require newer deps, and break jenkins tasks for stable branches |
| 22:09 |
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tcohen |
to make it short |
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tcohen |
I'm trying to have a kohadevbox-derived docker image to use for jenkins |
| 22:10 |
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tcohen |
making it easier to keep running environments adjusted as needed |
| 22:10 |
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cait |
can you do your own #info plz? :) |
| 22:10 |
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tcohen |
anyone willing to help with opinions is welcome! |
| 22:11 |
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tcohen |
#info tcohen and Joubu are exploring ways of containerizing jenkins tasks |
| 22:11 |
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bag |
tcohen: larryb said he can create another node for you. Get in touch with him |
| 22:11 |
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tcohen |
bag: thanks |
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LeeJ |
tcohen: I know that mtompset had been doing some work with koha/docker..he may have some input for you :) |
| 22:12 |
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tcohen |
#info ByWater is handing the community another jenkins node in the meantime |
| 22:12 |
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tcohen |
LeeJ: thanks |
| 22:13 |
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cait |
ok, moving on? |
| 22:13 |
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tcohen |
that's all from me |
| 22:13 |
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cait |
#topic Update from the Release manager (17.11) |
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Topic for #koha is now Update from the Release manager (17.11) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 August 2017) |
| 22:13 |
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cait |
#info Joubu left his apologies |
| 22:14 |
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cait |
#link https://koha-community.org/wha[…]in-koha-devel-14/ for recent information about urgent topics and new things |
| 22:15 |
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cait |
#info We will need help updating the manual and especially the help pages prior to 17.11 release in order to be able to switch it over to the Sphinx based one |
| 22:15 |
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cait |
we need to fix links |
| 22:15 |
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cait |
besides adding content of course |
| 22:16 |
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cait |
moving on |
| 22:16 |
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cait |
#topic Updates from the Release maintainers |
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Topic for #koha is now Updates from the Release maintainers (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 August 2017) |
| 22:16 |
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cait |
fridolis is not around, mtj? |
| 22:16 |
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cait |
fridolin |
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wahanui |
well, fridolin is busy at the moment, I asked him to backport the bug fix |
| 22:17 |
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cait |
#info 16.11.11 will be the next 16.11.x release, planned on schedule, string freeze on the 15th, release on 22nd |
| 22:17 |
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cait |
I hope we can include the script to fix data by then or have at least a partial fix for the most urgent (issues/old_issues) |
| 22:17 |
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cait |
mtj? |
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wahanui |
mtj is the 16.5 Rmaint for the 16.11 release cycle |
| 22:17 |
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mtj |
#info 16.05.16 should be on schedule this month too |
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cait |
moving on? |
| 22:19 |
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cait |
#topic Updates from the QA team |
| 22:19 |
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Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 August 2017) |
| 22:19 |
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cait |
anyone from the QA team around? |
| 22:19 |
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oleonard |
#info Owen Leonard, late. |
| 22:19 |
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tcohen |
yes |
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pianohacker |
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pianohacker |
woops |
| 22:19 |
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tcohen |
#info QA team members are urged to spend some time on blockers and major bugs |
| 22:20 |
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tcohen |
as marcelr said, enhancements will start to get stuck |
| 22:20 |
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tcohen |
and we love enhancements |
| 22:20 |
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bag |
yeah |
| 22:20 |
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tcohen |
lets work on bugs (which we love to get fixed) |
| 22:21 |
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tcohen |
if possible, add the tests you consider are needed and PQA on them |
| 22:22 |
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cait |
fixing_bugs++ |
| 22:22 |
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cait |
we got some evil ones to deal with atm |
| 22:22 |
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cait |
let's get this done and then add all the shiny features ;) |
| 22:22 |
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pianohacker |
brb |
| 22:22 |
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cait |
moving on? |
| 22:22 |
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bag |
yeah |
| 22:22 |
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tcohen |
yeah x2 |
| 22:23 |
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cait |
#topic General development discussion (trends, ideas...) |
| 22:23 |
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Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (trends, ideas...) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 August 2017) |
| 22:23 |
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cait |
pianohacker: please start :) |
| 22:23 |
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pianohacker |
hi |
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pianohacker |
back |
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pianohacker |
okay, short version: we need to figure out how we feel about IE working on the staff client |
| 22:24 |
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pianohacker |
long version |
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pianohacker |
I'm working on the (now) Preact-based circ rules editor (mockup very soon), and if we don't want to beat our head against a transpiler |
| 22:24 |
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pianohacker |
(a discussion which has gotten stuck a couple times now) |
| 22:25 |
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oleonard |
Let's beat our head against a transpiler |
| 22:25 |
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bag |
pianohacker: can we leave the current circ editor inplace and just add the other new one as a option if you so choose? |
| 22:26 |
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bag |
then IE people can still use the old version. (yeah that is just a work around and doesn’t answer the question) |
| 22:26 |
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pianohacker |
bag: if people are okay with being locked out of the new shiny, that's totally okay with me |
| 22:26 |
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wizzyrea |
well, is it all IE, or only older versions |
| 22:26 |
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pianohacker |
oleonard: I would absolutely love to, but do we have a path forward that's not covered in bikesheds? |
| 22:26 |
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wizzyrea |
I thought the newer ones were better at standards |
| 22:26 |
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pianohacker |
wizzyrea: all IE for any ES6 features :/ edge works but is apparently not very common |
| 22:27 |
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oleonard |
We're back in the world where the latest IE is exclusive to the latest version of Windows |
| 22:27 |
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pianohacker |
yeah... |
| 22:27 |
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bag |
It would make it easier for inclusion - you could even systempref it (maybe?) yay more sysprefs |
| 22:27 |
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wizzyrea |
ugh. |
| 22:27 |
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oleonard |
bag: I suspect that will make maintenance twice as difficult |
| 22:27 |
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wizzyrea |
yeah no |
| 22:27 |
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wizzyrea |
let's not do that to ourselves. |
| 22:27 |
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bag |
thanks oleonard that was what I was missing in my thoughts |
| 22:27 |
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pianohacker |
I would strongly prefer not to syspref it; AdvancedCatalogingEditor is currently enabled on 2/608 Koha installations in hea |
| 22:27 |
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pianohacker |
just to pick a random example ;) |
| 22:27 |
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bag |
right - maintaining two circ rules - that’s out |
| 22:28 |
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LeeJ |
pianohacker: my library is one! :D |
| 22:28 |
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tcohen |
thenew circulation rules also try to be more flexible too |
| 22:28 |
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pianohacker |
LeeJ: that does make me (and kidclamp) happy to hear :) |
| 22:29 |
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pianohacker |
yes; so the old interface isn't a perfect representation (since you don't have to set every value for every branch/category/itemtype) |
| 22:29 |
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oleonard |
As far as I'm concerned the idea of a preprocessor and/or transpiler isn't too bikeshedded really. It's just that I aimed to take the lead on it and then my Koha dev time was cut back drastically |
| 22:29 |
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rangi |
i like the new circ rules, but (as you all know) it's vitally important we get it right |
| 22:30 |
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pianohacker |
oleonard: do you think we have a decent shot at getting webpack/babel/npm into the Koha build/dev workflow? |
| 22:31 |
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oleonard |
I'm not confident that webpack will work well without doing major changes to the way we handle JavaScript in general, so I'm leaning towards gulp still |
| 22:31 |
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cait |
pianohacker: might be older versions on hea too? or just copy cataloguing |
| 22:31 |
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oleonard |
maybe you and I could talk about that another time |
| 22:31 |
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pianohacker |
because the only thing that has no obstacles (besides our sanity) is developing Preact using IE-compatible ES3. |
| 22:31 |
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pianohacker |
oleonard: agreed :) |
| 22:32 |
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tcohen |
as rangi says, code speaks, that's the only way to see the benefits of adopting new stuffs and changing workflows |
| 22:32 |
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oleonard |
I still think it's vital to Koha's front-end future that we choose /something/ to do preprocessing stuff |
| 22:33 |
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pianohacker |
It is theoretically possible, though gross, to check in the compiled code (like how we handle LESS) |
| 22:33 |
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cait |
silly question maybe, but what does a transpiler do? |
| 22:33 |
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cait |
translate code for different versions? |
| 22:33 |
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pianohacker |
yup, that's the main relevant feature. |
| 22:34 |
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LeeJ |
cait: perhaps add this to the info for reference? https://scotch.io/tutorials/ja[…]-why-we-need-them |
| 22:35 |
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pianohacker |
okay, just to summarize; we would prefer not to have two parallel circ rule interfaces, for reasons of maintainability |
| 22:35 |
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cait |
#link https://scotch.io/tutorials/ja[…]-why-we-need-them - we discussed about adding a trnaspiler / preprocessing stuff |
| 22:35 |
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cait |
i think it might get in the way fast |
| 22:36 |
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cait |
with the new stuff you want to add |
| 22:36 |
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pianohacker |
natively using ES6 features (without transpilation) is out, because we don't want to completely cut off the IE users |
| 22:36 |
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cait |
and also every new option will have to be added twice |
| 22:36 |
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pianohacker |
right |
| 22:36 |
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cait |
we stopped doing 2 opac templates because we didn't really manage that all too well |
| 22:37 |
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pianohacker |
there's two options left: a) work on including a transpiler b) continue to write JS that works in IE. |
| 22:37 |
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tcohen |
transpiler++ |
| 22:37 |
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LeeJ |
transpiler++ |
| 22:37 |
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wizzyrea |
um. concerns about dropping IE> |
| 22:37 |
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josef_moravec |
transpiler++ |
| 22:38 |
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oleonard |
Can we agree on IE10+ ? |
| 22:38 |
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* wizzyrea |
signs off on that |
| 22:38 |
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tcohen |
I think requiring a specific browser for a tool is not a big deal |
| 22:38 |
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rangi |
yup |
| 22:38 |
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LeeJ |
oleonard: is IE10 the current standard minimum? |
| 22:38 |
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wizzyrea |
have you ever worked with government? |
| 22:38 |
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wizzyrea |
requiring a specific browser is a very. big. deal. |
| 22:39 |
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rangi |
i say go for the version ms still supports |
| 22:39 |
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tcohen |
hm |
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| 22:39 |
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oleonard |
IE11 is the highest version still available on Windows 7 |
| 22:39 |
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oleonard |
I'm not sure about Windows 8, but Windows 10 has IE "Edge" |
| 22:39 |
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wizzyrea |
I think 11+ |
| 22:39 |
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rangi |
https://www.microsoft.com/en-u[…]end-of-ie-support |
| 22:39 |
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pianohacker |
that's the main reason I actually agreed with dcook's mailing list post, as much is it made me grind my teeth. |
| 22:39 |
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rangi |
so 10 is not actually supported |
| 22:40 |
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oleonard |
Okay cool. 11+ |
| 22:40 |
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wizzyrea |
MS has forced everyone up anyway I think |
| 22:40 |
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rangi |
yeah |
| 22:40 |
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wizzyrea |
i'm sure you'll find stragglers |
| 22:40 |
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pianohacker |
Okay. I will work (in conjunction with oleonard) on putting together some transpiler stuff. It may not be the perfect, ideal build pipeline, but it's a path forward. |
| 22:40 |
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rangi |
but we do them no favours leaving them on a browser thats had no security patches since jan 2016 |
| 22:41 |
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LeeJ |
pianohacker++ oleonard++ transpiler++ |
| 22:41 |
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tcohen |
https://www.microsoft.com/en-u[…]end-of-ie-support |
| 22:41 |
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cait |
maybe start a wiki page with some of those links and information? |
| 22:41 |
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pianohacker |
Quick minivote; if it substantially eases getting this new project integrated, how bad would checking in the transpiled JS be? |
| 22:41 |
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cait |
it might beuseful later on |
| 22:41 |
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jfowler |
Does anyone know if it's possible to import multiple items from an individual MARC record? For example, if a MARC record has holding information for a multi-volume set with multiple barcodes, can Koha import both the bib and the item info? |
| 22:42 |
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wizzyrea |
jfowler, we are in a meeting can you hold on? |
| 22:42 |
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jfowler |
sure. Sorry guys. |
| 22:42 |
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wizzyrea |
sok :) |
| 22:42 |
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pianohacker |
we should be done soonish :) no worries |
| 22:42 |
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tcohen |
pianohacker: I'm not sure about that |
| 22:43 |
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tcohen |
I think transpiling might be better done on testing/packaging time |
| 22:43 |
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pianohacker |
it's not ideal, and if at all possible would not be permanent, but do we have any steps in the current dev workflow to include "npm build" or "npm watch"? |
| 22:44 |
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oleonard |
Let's postpone that discussion until pianohacker and I have had a chance to come up with a proposal |
| 22:44 |
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pianohacker |
kk |
| 22:44 |
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bag |
oh yeah hi pianohacker - great to have you here :) |
| 22:44 |
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pianohacker |
oh hi bag :) |
| 22:44 |
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cait |
#action pianohacker and oleonard are going to work out a proposal for adding a transpiler into our workflow |
| 22:44 |
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cait |
hope that was right :) |
| 22:44 |
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oleonard |
Looks good to me |
| 22:45 |
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pianohacker |
yup! I think that wraps up that discussion for the time being |
| 22:45 |
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cait |
any last minute additions before i move on? |
| 22:45 |
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cait |
#topic Review of coding guidelines |
| 22:45 |
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cait |
we got no proposals on the wiki - someone has something? |
| 22:46 |
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cait |
#topic Review of coding guidelines |
| 22:46 |
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tcohen |
oleonard: good idea |
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cait |
hm, didn't change |
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Topic for #koha is now Review of coding guidelines (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 August 2017) |
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Topic for #koha is now Review of coding guidelines (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 August 2017) |
| 22:46 |
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cait |
ah |
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cait |
huginn is sleepy |
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huginn |
cait: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 22:46 |
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cait |
you are exhausted... i understand |
| 22:46 |
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pianohacker |
amen |
| 22:46 |
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cait |
ok, moving on then |
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cait |
#topic Set time of next meeting |
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Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 9 August 2017) |
| 22:47 |
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cait |
I got no idea of how this curerntly works |
| 22:47 |
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cait |
i think every 2 weeks? |
| 22:47 |
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tcohen |
yes, in 2 weeks |
| 22:47 |
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pianohacker |
alternating between, what, 10 and 22 UTC? |
| 22:47 |
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tcohen |
exactly |
| 22:47 |
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cait |
looks like 14 and 21 |
| 22:47 |
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cait |
https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings |
| 22:48 |
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pianohacker |
I certainly prefer 14 ;) |
| 22:48 |
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cait |
24th, 14? |
| 22:48 |
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tcohen |
23rd |
| 22:48 |
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cait |
ok |
| 22:48 |
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tcohen |
wednesdays |
| 22:48 |
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wahanui |
wednesdays is when I stab people, same problem. |
| 22:49 |
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cait |
it's already thursday here :) |
| 22:49 |
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cait |
#agreed Next meeting will be on August 23, 14 UTC |
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cait |
thx all for attending! |
| 22:49 |
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cait |
#endmeeting |
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Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the #koha IRC chat | Code of conduct - https://koha-community.org/abo[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | kanban is https://tree.taiga.io/project/[…]rm-1711/wiki/home |
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Meeting ended Wed Aug 9 22:49:32 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
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huginn |
Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-08-09-22.00.html |
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huginn |
Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]7-08-09-22.00.txt |
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huginn |
Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]09-22.00.log.html |
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bag |
cait++ |
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josef_moravec |
cait++ |
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LeeJ |
cait++ |
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BobB |
thanks cait |
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oleonard |
cait++ |
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josef_moravec |
good night all ;) |
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pianohacker |
night! |
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oleonard |
Thanks to everyone who stayed up too late for that |
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tcohen |
night everyone |
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tcohen |
cait++ |
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pianohacker |
jfowler: yes, that should be possible. |
| 22:51 |
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pianohacker |
oleonard: drafting you an email right now :) |
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LeeJ |
well I'm off to have dinner! |
| 22:51 |
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oleonard |
Thanks pianohacker. I'll be able to respond tomorrow. |
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pianohacker |
(thumbsup) |
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jfowler |
pianohacker: Would you know of any place where I might find documentation on that? When I've tried to do it using the MARC import function, it only seems to include the first volume. |
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wizzyrea |
what does your record look like |
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wizzyrea |
you can use paste.koha-community.org |
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pianohacker |
jfowler: yup, definitely do that; my first question is if each volume has its own MARC tag |
| 22:54 |
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pianohacker |
barton++ |
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LeeJ |
pianohacker: by the way...our cataloger sends her thanks for Advanced Editor. You made her work much easier :) |
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cait |
952 specifically |
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pianohacker |
LeeJ: :D excellent! |
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pianohacker |
thanks, that's good to know |
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barton |
Hi pianohacker! |
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pianohacker |
hi barton! :) |
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pianohacker |
figured you needed some karma for something good you'd done |
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jfowler |
pianohacker: I'll paste it. But yes. Each has a 999 tag |
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wizzyrea |
they need to be 952 |
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wizzyrea |
and your subfields rearranged to be kohalike |
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barton |
thanks pianohacker, I needed a bartonsnack. :-) |
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LeeJ |
pianohacker: I also mentioned it to kidclamp and put in a bug for the idea of enabling the 856u upload plugin to be accessible from Advanced Editor :) |
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barton |
ooh. I like. |
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pastebot |
"jfowler" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Marc record with multiple 999 fields" (29 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/579 |
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pianohacker |
wizzyrea: do we still have a nice docs page to point folks at with the Koha item MARC mappings? |
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pianohacker |
LeeJ: that would be great! And not devastating to implement |
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wizzyrea |
hm, no idea. might be in the manual |
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wizzyrea |
I just look at the add items page |
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pianohacker |
*makes promises on kidclamp's behalf while he's asleep* |
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pianohacker |
>:D |
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wizzyrea |
the letter/number is the subfield for that one |
| 22:57 |
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wizzyrea |
nicely labeled and everything |
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LeeJ |
pianohacker: Bug 18905 :) |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18905 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, NEW , Advanced editor - Rancor - Add support for /cataloguing/value_builder/upload.pl |
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jfowler |
here's the paste ---> http://paste.koha-community.org/579 |
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LeeJ |
well I'm heading out! have a good night all! |
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wizzyrea |
yeah, you will need to convert those 999's to 952's |
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pianohacker |
jfowler: yup; you'll need to remap those. If you want an automated way to do that, check out MARCEdit |
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pianohacker |
I need to head out, coffee shop is closing around me |
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pianohacker |
bye all! |
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jfowler |
pianohacker: I've been using the templates to covert to the appropriate 952 fields, but it only picks up the first one |
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wizzyrea |
that may be a limitation of the tool. |
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pianohacker |
yeah, I'm not sure that will work :/ |
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jfowler |
Ok. That's what I needed to know. But if I change them in MarcEdit, it should work |
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jfowler |
? |
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wizzyrea |
yes, theoretically |
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wizzyrea |
you should try it ;) |
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cait1 |
ys, but i think you need to rework your subfields too |
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jfowler |
Great. Many thanks to all of you. |
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cait1 |
$a and $b need to be the branchcode |
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wizzyrea |
I think he has got those mappings, if he's been trying to use the tools |
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cait1 |
$y the itemtype |
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cait1 |
$o barcode, $p itemcallnumber |
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cait1 |
you are probably right, just trying to avoid the next possible problem I guess |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
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pianohacker |
actually leaving now :) |
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cait1 |
wizzyrea++ |
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KotH |
am i blind, or isnt there a tool to batch assign barcodes? |
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cait1 |
bath tools only work for adding the same value to a field atm |
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cait1 |
using sql might be an option, but do a full reindex if you change something in items with SQL |
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cait1 |
good night all |
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KotH |
oki |
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KotH |
thanks |
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wizzyrea |
KotH, you can assign subsequent barcodes when you add several of the same item |
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wizzyrea |
but you can't say, provide an itemnumber/barcode pair and batch update them. |
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wizzyrea |
not from the interface. |
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wizzyrea |
would be a cool feature you should submit a bug to add that. |
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KotH |
hmm.. maybe i should just print the lables and type them in after stickign them on the books |
| 23:26 |
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KotH |
probably the better idea... |
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wizzyrea |
oh is this to do with printing barcodes |
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KotH |
yes |
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wizzyrea |
I always hated the chicken/egg of the barcode creator |
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wizzyrea |
you have to have a barcode, to print a barcode. |
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KotH |
i'm trying to figure out how to do it "correctly" (for fuzzy values of correct) |
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wizzyrea |
Probably what you want to do |
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wizzyrea |
is work out a scheme for your barcode numbers |
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wizzyrea |
add them incrementally when you add items |
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wizzyrea |
then go to the label creator and print them |
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wizzyrea |
you could write a report that shows you all barcodes added in a date range |
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wizzyrea |
to get the list to put into the creator |
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wizzyrea |
then put the title on the barcode, so you know which book it goes on (makes putting them on the book easy) |
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wizzyrea |
alternatively |
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wizzyrea |
order barcodes |
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wizzyrea |
because that workflow seems hard. |
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KotH |
i am currently thinking of using a perl script to create the bar codes, which gives me a bit more freedom in desiging them |
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wizzyrea |
if you're going to do that |
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wizzyrea |
you should just make the existing creator do what you want :) |
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wizzyrea |
and submit it. |
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KotH |
hehe |
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wizzyrea |
you laugh |
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wizzyrea |
it's how Koha gets better. |
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KotH |
are you trying to robe me into contributing to yet another OSS project? ;) |
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wizzyrea |
of course not. (yes!) |
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wizzyrea |
You should do it because it's the right thing to do. |
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wizzyrea |
;) |
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KotH |
*g* |
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KotH |
i can easily do the perl part... i have no clue about how to do the html/web part of it |
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KotH |
damn you! now i'm cloning the repo instead of sleeping! |
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wizzyrea |
My work here is done. :) |
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KotH |
how strict are you with adding additional dependencies? |
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wizzyrea |
depends really |
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wizzyrea |
heh |
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KotH |
pun intended? |
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KotH |
:) |
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wizzyrea |
maybe a little |
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* KotH |
is thinking about PDF::Reuse and PDF::Reuse::Barcode which depend on GD::Barcode |
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wizzyrea |
I'm surprised we don't have those already |
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KotH |
maybe they are used somewhere... |
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wizzyrea |
i mean, we generate pdf's in koha |
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* KotH |
knows nothing about koha internally |
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* KotH |
is still trying to find out where the pdfs for the labels are generated |
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KotH |
correction-... it's already in use |
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wizzyrea |
we have *lots* of common stuff in use |
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KotH |
well, it's written in perl not in python |
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wizzyrea |
C4/Creators/PDF.pm might be what you are looking for |
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KotH |
part of it |
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wahanui |
hmmm... part of it is when it starts getting cold, I think. |
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KotH |
that's only the last step |
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wizzyrea |
some of the label code is in C4/Labels/ |
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KotH |
btw: what's C4? |
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wahanui |
hmmm... C4 is a high explosive :-) or "Cheap & Cheerful Copy of (the ILS program HLT used to use)" |
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KotH |
and what's the difference to Koha/ ? |
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KotH |
bah! stupid bot! |
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wizzyrea |
some in labels/ |
| 23:48 |
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wizzyrea |
no, that's actually what it is |
| 23:49 |
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wizzyrea |
we taught the bot to answer common questions ;) |
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KotH |
hey.. i'm a noob! all questions i ask are common! |
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wizzyrea |
things are gradually moving from C4 namespace to Koha namespace as they are tidied up |
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KotH |
ok |
| 23:50 |
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wizzyrea |
basically, C4 = old Koha= new hotness |
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KotH |
well.. i will have a look at what exactly i want to do and then check what the code can do already |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
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KotH |
maybe all it needs is just some coercion :) |
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wizzyrea |
good luck. |
| 23:50 |
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wizzyrea |
Completely possible. |
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KotH |
thanks |
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KotH |
but first i need to get some sleep |
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wizzyrea |
yes sleeping is important. |
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KotH |
otherwise i'll spend another day not doing what i'm supposed to do |
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wizzyrea |
putting barcodes on books? |
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KotH |
lol |
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KotH |
not exactly :) |
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* KotH |
is supposed to do SCIENCE! |
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wizzyrea |
also noble |
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KotH |
anyways.. i'm off... |
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KotH |
thanks for answering stupid questions |
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KotH |
(and just for the record: koha is awsome! works out of the box and behaves extremely well from a sysadmin point of view) |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
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wizzyrea |
you must have followed the instructions ^.^ |
