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mtompset |
excuse |
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wahanui |
mtompset: The Token fell out of the ring. Call us when you find it. |
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mtompset |
quote |
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mtompset |
random quote |
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wahanui |
random quote is funny |
| 00:35 |
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mtompset |
@quote |
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huginn |
mtompset: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
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mtompset |
@random |
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huginn |
mtompset: Error: The command "random" is available in the Factoids and Quote plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "random". |
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wahanui |
i already had it that way, huginn. |
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mtompset |
@random quote |
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huginn |
mtompset: Error: The command "random" is available in the Factoids and Quote plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "random". |
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wahanui |
i already had it that way, huginn. |
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mtompset |
@quote random |
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huginn |
mtompset: Quote #110: "chris: im rm, not god" (added by kf at 10:20 AM, December 08, 2010) |
| 01:51 |
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mtompset |
excuse |
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wahanui |
mtompset: techtonic stress |
| 01:51 |
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mtompset |
@quote random |
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huginn |
mtompset: Quote #168: "gmcharlt: #koha is ALL the time" (added by chris_n at 09:01 PM, December 01, 2011) |
| 01:51 |
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wahanui |
i already had it that way, huginn. |
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mtompset |
excuse |
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wahanui |
mtompset: Support staff hung over, send aspirin and come back LATER. |
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mtompset |
papa: True enough about the DBIx not existing in the project 5+ years ago. :) |
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papa |
heh sure :) |
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papa |
I'm going away for a month, will do it when I get back |
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mtompset |
You know me, resurrecting old dung. :) |
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mtompset |
just dont make it a 5 year excursion. ;) |
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papa |
well it's not me, no one wanted to sign it off |
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mtompset |
I didn't notice it until I started to scour 4 digit bug reports. :) |
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mtompset |
-- and decided I'll try the rest api scary stuff. :) |
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mtompset |
Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha papa rangi Francesca Kafilini |
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ashimema |
@later tell thd I'd be really really happy to see the mediawiki installation updated and mysql'd :) |
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huginn |
ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
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* magnuse |
waves |
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magnuse |
what is the wiki using today? |
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fridolin |
hie there |
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ashimema |
it's an ancient mediawiki running on PostGres |
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ashimema |
where did that capital G come from.. grrr |
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ashimema |
Pg, we should stick to MySQL as mediawiki really isn't very well supported on Pg as a whole.. it works, but the ecosystem doesn't code for it as it's not the norm.. |
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ashimema |
thus it makes upgrades and installing plugins much more challenging |
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ashimema |
magnuse^^ |
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magnuse |
ah, gotcha! |
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magnuse |
guten morgen, BüchereiKlara |
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ashimema |
compare wikipedia to our mediawiki and you'll see how far mediawiki as a software has come ;) |
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ashimema |
it's much easier to edit now for the average Joe.. |
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ashimema |
and adding semantic mediawiki would make organising and structuring the wiki much easier too ;) |
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ashimema |
I gave up trying to fix the wiki when I realised we had backed ourselves into a corner.. it just became hard to work with |
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magnuse |
<3 semantic mediawiki |
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magnuse |
who's hosting it? |
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magnuse |
equinox |
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magnuse |
we are on 1.16. looks like 1.28 is the most recent |
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magnuse |
1.25 was EOL'ed 2016-06-28 |
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cait |
ashimema: you might want to talk to galen directly |
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cait |
about updating it |
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magnuse |
sounds like a good plan |
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magnuse |
the wiki says he and thd have access to the server |
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alex_a |
bonjour |
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wahanui |
what's up, alex_a |
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LibraryClaire |
hey magnuse |
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magnuse |
hiya alex_a |
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alex_a |
salut magnuse |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
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huginn |
magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. |
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magnuse |
sunny, +18C |
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reiveune |
hello |
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wahanui |
privet, reiveune |
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eythian |
magnuse: swap you, 13 and rainy here. |
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magnuse |
haha, in your dreams eythian :-) |
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eythian |
@later tell cait Google wants to remind me that this photo exists: https://goo.gl/photos/4Ab8QKBu2BGS5SaA9 |
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huginn |
eythian: The operation succeeded. |
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magnuse |
eythian++ |
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magnuse |
kohacon12 in edinburgh? |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
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magnuse |
bonjour gaetan_B |
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* cait |
waves |
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cait |
eythian: thx, that made me laugh |
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drojf |
hi #koha |
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drojf |
@wunder berlin, germany |
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huginn |
drojf: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 08:25 |
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drojf |
not coming back, eh? |
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cait |
magnuse: yep edinburgh |
| 08:25 |
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cait |
doesn't look like it :( |
| 08:26 |
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cait |
maybe need a new bot verson or so? |
| 08:26 |
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drojf |
Berlin, Germany, 18° |
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drojf |
hi cait |
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cait |
@drojfwunder Konstanz |
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huginn |
cait: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
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drojf |
Konstanz, Deutschland Donnerstag, 10:00 Überwiegend bewölkt, 14° |
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cait |
@drojfsnack cookie |
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huginn |
cait: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
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cait |
@excuse |
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huginn |
cait: My excuse for today is "proton decay" |
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drojf |
thanks cait! |
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drojf |
*noms* |
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drojf |
is there an overview about what is missing for elasticsearch in production? |
| 08:41 |
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drojf |
i'd like to offer the koha-elasticsearch meta package we have for unstable also for 17.05. but it would be nice to know (and tell people) what to expect from koha + elasticsearch at the moment |
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cait |
i agree |
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ashimema |
+1 |
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drojf |
liw: around? |
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* liw |
apparates from a sudden cloud of smoke, with a WHOOSH sound effect |
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* eythian |
wonders if liw saw my query-thing from the other day. |
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liw |
eythian, I don't think so |
| 09:27 |
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liw |
I am as ignorant as a newborn baby elephant |
| 09:27 |
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eythian |
liw: obnam just gave me a mild moment of terror when it didn't restore my mysql backups. Wasn't until I remembered that if you're backing up two different paths, they land in different generations. |
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eythian |
liw: and so I had to specify the generation number for the other part of the backup. Tell me if that's wrong and I should be doing things differently. |
| 09:28 |
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eythian |
(happily, now that one of my crappy VPSes appears to have kicked the bucket, I seem to have recovered everything important from it from my bailing-twine level backup regime.) |
| 09:28 |
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eythian |
(in the end, the server came back, but I don't really trust that server anyway and should move things off it.) |
| 09:29 |
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liw |
eythian, do you mean that you do "obnam backup /path/one" followed by "obnam backup /path/two"? |
| 09:29 |
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eythian |
yeah |
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drojf |
liw: i'd like to restructure the koha debian repository, having a codename based on release and a suite unstable, stable, oldstable as we have now. we do not have codenames, so i'd use release numbers for now, like 17.05 and 16.11. i remember somebody mentioning that would be a problem, and mentioning your name (i think it was tcohen), but i could not find anything about it |
| 09:30 |
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liw |
yeah, in that case each generation has only one of the paths |
| 09:30 |
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eythian |
liw: yes. Does saying obnam backup /path/one /path/two work? I can't remember if I ever tried it. |
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drojf |
at the moment we have (outdated) debian codenames in there, but it does not make sense for the way we do packages |
| 09:31 |
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drojf |
i set up a repo and it works fine for me |
| 09:32 |
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drojf |
also, why do we still not have cooking/baking based codenames :( |
| 09:32 |
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liw |
eythian, that works, yes |
| 09:32 |
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liw |
drojf, I'll have an answer in a moment, I'm thinking furiously |
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puts ice on liw's head |
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eythian |
liw: OK, thanks. Time I revisited my scheme I think. |
| 09:35 |
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liw |
drojf, I think I would suggest you have a repo with dists/{wheezy,squeeze,buster,sid} as the dirs, with each dir having Koha .debs built for that Debian release (this is what I do); if you need to have multiple Koha versions in the repo it gets trickier |
| 09:36 |
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eythian |
liw: the thing is that koha aims to have one release run on all supported dists (and ubuntu, etc), but does have multiple koha versions. |
| 09:36 |
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liw |
my own repo for my own projects (code.liw.fi/debian) has dists/foo with a build for Debian release codename foo, and that has a version number 1.2.3-1.foo (where foo is appended to the version by CI which builds the packages) so that dists/foo and dists/bar can both have a package of version 1.2.3 |
| 09:37 |
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eythian |
So kinda the inverse problem :) |
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drojf |
liw: our packages are one package fits all (all supported debian and ubuntu versions) … what eythian says |
| 09:38 |
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liw |
I avoid having one .deb file that works on all .deb using distro versions, since it gets harder to cope with their differences (e.g., when one has manpages in a different place from the others) |
| 09:38 |
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liw |
but if that's something you want to do, then by all means, nothing wrong with that approach |
| 09:38 |
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drojf |
for now, having a repo per debian and ubuntu version would be more work (much more) than coping with differences |
| 09:38 |
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drojf |
we deprecate support if needed :P |
| 09:41 |
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liw |
let's walk through this: assume you make a new Koha release 1.2, what happens? you build a koha_1.2-1_all.deb package and upload it to the unstable dist in your apt repo? and then copy it within the repo from unstable to testing? (i.e., similar to what Debian itself does) |
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drojf |
liw: it's all kind of different. oldstable and stable are the last two supported branches, which get new maintenance versions every month. so stable will be 17.05 now, oldstable 16.11. unstable is master. or, used to be. we have nightly builds in a different repository now. so packages do not travel from one pocket to another, they are built independently |
| 09:51 |
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* drojf |
fears he's causing massive headache in liw |
| 09:52 |
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liw |
no worries |
| 09:53 |
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drojf |
i am not sure how we came to that setup, but i suppose because we would have a lot ogf pockets and different builds otherwise |
| 09:53 |
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drojf |
*of |
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liw |
so your dists/* match Koha freshness, basically? there's one for "latest release", one for "release series we support for a long time", and one for "and even longer time"? |
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drojf |
more or less. it is the latest branch that is maintained and the one before, we do not have LTS versions at the moment. |
| 10:01 |
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liw |
is this approx correct: you have git branch release/16.11 from which you release 16.11.1, 16.11.2, etc, and upload .debs built from those releases to dists/oldstable; and git branch release/17.05, which gets uploaded to dists/stable ? |
| 10:03 |
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liw |
drojf, and if that is correct, what is the change you actually want? |
| 10:05 |
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liw |
release/16.11 uploads to dists/sunshine-and-icecream, with a symlink dists/oldstable; and release/17.05, uploads to dists/bananenkartoffel, with symlink dists/stable? |
| 10:07 |
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drojf |
liw: atm it is eg. dists/squeeze, symlink to dists/stable. we don't have codenames, so what i would do for now is dists/17.05, symlink dists/stable. question is, is dists/17.05 valid (or not) for some reason |
| 10:08 |
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liw |
drojf, ah, I see. dists/17.05 is valid as far as I know |
| 10:08 |
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liw |
(I _almost_ got Koha to use a release code name bananenkartoffeln, *sigh*) |
| 10:08 |
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drojf |
liw: i could not find anything indicating it isn't, but i did not find any elaboration on the matter either |
| 10:08 |
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drojf |
thanks |
| 10:09 |
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drojf |
and yes, i really want bananenkartoffel |
| 10:09 |
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liw |
eine kleine Tasse Schokoladenschnitzel mit Bananenkartoffeln und Kabelaalat auf der Hauptbahnhof, bitte is teh only thing I know in German anymore |
| 10:13 |
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drojf |
that would be an awesome release name |
| 10:13 |
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drojf |
in one word |
| 10:13 |
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cait |
hypenated please |
| 10:15 |
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eythian |
cait is a bad German |
| 10:16 |
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cait |
not really |
| 10:16 |
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cait |
all those hyphens are very german too |
| 10:19 |
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liw |
"deb http://debian.koha.org/debian eine-kleine-Tasse-Schokoladenschnitzel-mit-Bananenkartoffeln-und-Kabelsalat-auf-der-Hauptbahnhof-bitte main" -- rolls off the tongue |
| 10:22 |
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drojf |
i'll use it |
| 10:22 |
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drojf |
maybe release codename is not really a release manager thing but a packaging manager thing? :P |
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rangi_ |
hello |
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rangi_ |
can any one tell me where i got koha installation file for windows |
| 10:34 |
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rangi_ |
any on know that |
| 10:35 |
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magnuse |
rangi_: you can't install koha directly on windows |
| 10:35 |
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magnuse |
yo uwould have to do it in a virtual machine |
| 10:36 |
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rangi_ |
it means koha not available for windows operating system . |
| 10:36 |
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eythian |
that is correct. |
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oleonard |
Hello |
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eythian |
hi oleopard |
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atheia |
oleonard: Sorry — I had to refresh my memory, but yes, it's not possible to delete rotas. |
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atheia |
The feature allows deactivation for now, which fullfills the same function, but allows for easy resurrection and data integrity. |
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oleonard |
Okay thanks atheia |
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cait |
hm why no deletion? |
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* cait |
likes deleting stuff :) |
| 12:10 |
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cait |
bws++ lots of new posts and videos |
| 12:12 |
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cait |
would be great to have those in the manual :) |
| 12:12 |
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oleonard |
Yeah, I like deleting stuff in part because it means I can do lots of test runs without having to live with them forever. |
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cait |
and if you have duplicates or very similar ones |
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edveal |
Hi |
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edveal |
hey kidclamp how goes it? |
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kidclamp |
it goes well, and you? |
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edveal |
very well. just plenty busy! |
| 12:32 |
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misilot |
Quick question, with the MARC Import tool, is it possible to tell it to not touch existing fields (like leave the 856's and the 500's alone) ? |
| 12:34 |
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oleonard |
misilot: I thought perhaps there might be a way to use a MARC modification template for that, but there doesn't seem to be. |
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misilot |
thanks oleonard i was hoping that was the case as well |
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Joubu |
drojf: https://tree.taiga.io/project/[…]oha-rm-1711/us/71 |
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Joubu |
hi #koha |
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drojf |
Joubu++ |
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LeeJ |
morning all |
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cait |
misilot: you can't 'partially overwrite' records atm - it's all or nothing |
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cait |
there are patches in bugzilla to enable that i think, but untested |
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drojf |
Joubu: how do i join that thing? i made an account with tauga |
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drojf |
*taiga |
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LeeJ |
oleonard: You are a genius! That Vagrant fix for the vb additions plugin you found completely fixed the problem! |
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Joubu |
drojf: pm |
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oleonard |
LeeJ: Not sure I can claim genius status for info which is contained in the README ;) But I'm glad I could help. |
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oleonard |
Hi drojf, long time no see |
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drojf |
hi oleopard! |
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LeeJ |
oleonard: I guess I'll add that link to the issue I opened so others can benefit..though I would hope not many people would use it on Windows.. |
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tcohen |
morning |
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oleonard |
Hi tcohen |
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drojf |
hi tcohen |
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tcohen |
hi oleonard drojf |
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tcohen |
drojf: we could have a chat with Joubu regarding mojolicious upgrade and the relevant patchset |
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drojf |
tcohen: yes, we should |
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drojf |
tcohen: i just finished the draft for the 17.05 package/repository email. i could get a coffee and do it now if that works for both of you |
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Joubu |
sorry, but as I said for the last 2 weeks, my priority is the wiki pages to welcome new contributors. If you have time to dedicate to the project, you should help with that |
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Joubu |
I am not willing to do anything else until it's done |
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drojf |
ok. for me it's just shifting something that has to be discussed anyway, not extra time really |
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drojf |
and i don't assume it is a big thing to discuss :P |
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tcohen |
Joubu-- |
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tcohen |
:-P |
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drojf |
heh |
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tcohen |
Joubu: how is the wiki going? |
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Joubu |
it is not going anywhere |
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drojf |
what are you waiting for to happen in the wiki? |
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drojf |
welcome new contributors could mean a lot of things |
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tcohen |
drojf: https://annuel2.framapad.org/p[…]eate_entry_points |
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Joubu |
https://tree.taiga.io/project/[…]oha-rm-1711/us/21 |
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tcohen |
drojf: we really need to refactor the wiki |
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tcohen |
so it is easier to find what a new user needs |
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drojf |
we have curators for that |
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tcohen |
and also make it easier to maintain |
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drojf |
at least that is what is in a lot of release notes |
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Joubu |
wiki curators did not do anything for the last years |
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drojf |
but i agree, the wiki is hardly usable unless you know a search term to look for |
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drojf |
and the pages are outdated to very outdated |
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cait |
we are workign on that - you can sign up to help ;) |
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drojf |
but it takes hours to upgrade an article if you want to actually test step by step instructions and stuff |
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cait |
it doesn't make much sense to have translators if there is not much contribution from them |
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cait |
ugh |
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cait |
curators :) |
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cait |
translators are awesome |
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ashimema |
lol |
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drojf |
i proposed to abandon the position some release cycles ago but nobody cared |
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tcohen |
It is not just curators |
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cait |
I will support you next time around |
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cait |
let's start somewhere :) |
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cait |
i think it woudl be important to update our wiki |
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drojf |
i don't see why we have a position that is listed everywhere and has lead to hardly any contribution |
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tcohen |
we need to collectively think about the subject: how to welcome new contributors |
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tcohen |
and Jonathan created a very godo template for people to add |
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cait |
atm handling the cateogories and all that is not ideal |
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tcohen |
to |
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drojf |
and that keeps others from doing that |
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drojf |
but enough ranting |
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* ashimema |
reads up on wiki related chatter |
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* ashimema |
has thought for a while that actually just starting again on the wiki might be a good idea.. |
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drojf |
i will look through the links Joubu sent tomorrow, maybe i can help with something |
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ashimema |
and just manually migrating very small portions as we decide we want them |
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cait |
hm we did it once |
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drojf |
ashimema: yes |
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cait |
we could do it again |
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ashimema |
I bet 90% of it is never looked at or entirely wrong |
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cait |
we could move good parts over still |
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cait |
but we'd lose contribution - not sureif that woudl matter |
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cait |
attribution? |
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wahanui |
it has been said that attribution is always a good idea |
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drojf |
standard stuff like debian installation still works, or sql reports, or others. lots of things are just ancient text not related to modern koha |
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tcohen |
we can keep those, and let curators care about them |
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tcohen |
but we really need a decent landing page |
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tcohen |
without the categories stuff |
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tcohen |
with simple organization to reach what new contributors need |
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ashimema |
I agree.. we need a solid landing page and a solid set of initial content |
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ashimema |
what's holding back new contribution in my opinion is how hard it is to contribute.. and that's mostly because of some terrible plugins we have enabled and a very old version of mediawiki.. |
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ashimema |
migrating from postgres to mysql isn't trivial and is the first step to upgrading from our old mediawiki.. |
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drojf |
ashimema: i remember you wanted to migrate/upgrade some time ago |
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ashimema |
hence my suggestion of 'just start again with a fresh install' |
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oleonard |
I wonder if you could copy the contents of the existing wiki to an upgraded staging server and somehow hide all the articles until they'd been edited. |
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ashimema |
but as cait says.. we'd loose attribution for stuff we manually migrate across.. it's whether we really care about that ;) |
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drojf |
i agree. can't we get a new wiki, copy and update relevant content and then burn the old one? |
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ashimema |
feel free to suggest it as the next meeting ;) |
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ashimema |
I'd back that approach |
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cait |
i think me too, have to give it some thought |
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cait |
but as I said... won't be the first time |
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ashimema |
I don't think anyone is going to have the time/inclination for do a proper migration job from postgres to mysql any time soon.. it looks fairly involved when I started investigating it |
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drojf |
is that a copyright question? |
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cait |
we did it after liblime too |
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ashimema |
not a copyright question really.. |
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drojf |
we could keep the old, link from the articles in the new wiki to the old one and ignore it otherwise. but people will still end up there then |
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ashimema |
I don't actually know what we copyright our wiki to.. |
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drojf |
CC something, i think |
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cait |
Content is available under GNU General Public License 2.0 or later. |
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ashimema |
indeed.. keeping the old in read-only for a while would be a good thing to do |
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ashimema |
and linking to it where sensible, copying across where more appropriate etc. |
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drojf |
cait: where do you find that? |
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wahanui |
rumour has it that is less clunky than he or she eh |
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drojf |
ah |
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drojf |
sorry |
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drojf |
fine print ;) |
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ashimema |
it's ages since I setup a mediawiki.. think it's pretty darn straight forward still |
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cait |
footer |
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cait |
add it to the next agenda now :) |
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ashimema |
is there a page for that yet? |
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ashimema |
fancy adding it cait? |
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cait |
not right now, sorry |
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Joubu |
you are talking about rewriting the wiki, I am talking about rewriting 3-5 pages |
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Joubu |
and after 2w and did not move forward |
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drojf |
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki[…]:Legoktm/Packages |
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cait |
Joubu: you know how it is... we'd rather change the tool :) |
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drojf |
Joubu: doing that has been a topic for years. yours is just s few weeks old :P |
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drojf |
*a |
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cait |
and the update might have us redo things anyway |
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* drojf |
hides |
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Joubu |
yes, let's start with the beginning, first item next meeting "Choose a new wiki engine" |
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Joubu |
mine has been set as "high priority" |
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Joubu |
read "if you want to help, do that, everything else is less important" |
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ashimema |
I was thinking of a landing page a bit more along the lines of https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Main_Page |
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ashimema |
with clear jump points.. I can't really do any of that sort of thing with the current versions of plugins and mediawiki ;) |
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cait |
make it simple to write a bit prettier pages would be enough for me |
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cait |
i think some of the category plugins had to be turned off anyway and there was trouble with people using the other editor destroying pages |
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cait |
avoiding these kind of things would be nice |
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drojf |
when i tried to steal formatting from wikipedia, it just did not work in our wiki because it#s too old or does not have regular plugins of 2017 |
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Joubu |
ashimema: it's what jajm suggests on the pad |
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drojf |
later #koha |
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oleonard |
Joubu: I must admit I don't really understand what kind of help you're looking for. |
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oleonard |
Is your top priority to re-work the wiki main page? |
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reiveune |
bye |
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cait |
oleonard: rewriting/updating the most important pages i think |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 18296: Remove perlcritic error (request.pl) <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8392c560b3df738d2> |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 18759: Try to fix random failure from Circulation.t <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]23ab23bd9727051ee> |
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cait |
argh |
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cait |
no JSON reports with plack in 3.22? :( |
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cait |
oh good, was just a mistake in the url |
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cait |
nm |
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Joubu |
@later tell rangi apparently I am not allowed to edit the main page of the wiki, could you add the link to [[Getting involved]] please? |
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huginn |
Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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Joubu |
@later tell rangi and maybe remove the "Wiki accounts" block? |
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huginn |
Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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Joubu |
ashimema: I have moved https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ki/I_want_to_help to https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]/Getting_involved |
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Joubu |
but |
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Joubu |
https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]eveloper_handbook still show "I want to help" |
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Joubu |
how can I edit it? |
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cait |
ah tricky a template |
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cait |
Joubu: maybe i will remember sec |
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cait |
magnuse would know |
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cait |
ah |
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cait |
click edit |
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cait |
then scroll down |
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cait |
Template used on this page: Template:DevBook (edit) |
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Joubu |
cait: nope |
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Joubu |
it looks like a bug actually, since the page has been moved the new one should be used |
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cait |
no |
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cait |
it's not automatic |
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cait |
welll... maybe it could |
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cait |
maybe it is in a newer version? :) |
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cait |
i will change it |
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cait |
fixed |
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Joubu |
how did you do that?! :) |
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cait |
Edit page - scroll down - find the other hidden edit link next to the template name .) |
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cait |
below 'save page' |
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cait |
it says Template used on this page |
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cait |
and then there is an edit link there |
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cait |
i have looked for that so many times by now, i still struggle to remember how to do that |
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Joubu |
ha yes, got it! |
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cait |
bye all |
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ashimema |
well done cait |
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kidclamp |
oleonard++ |
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oleonard |
I know these shoes /are/ pretty nice aren't they? |
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kidclamp |
now i wanna see |
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jenkins |
Project Koha_Master_D8 build #193: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/193/ |
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jenkins |
jonathan.druart: Bug 18296: Remove perlcritic error (request.pl) |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18296 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , C4::Items - Remove GetItemInfosOf |
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* oleonard |
hopes talljoy_candyhunting bags herself a sixteen-point Snickers bar. |
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talljoy_candyhunting |
oleonard, scored a sharing size caramel m and m bag! |
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oleonard |
sharing size == under no circumstances share |
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jenkins |
Project Koha_Master_D8 build #194: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/194/ |
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jenkins |
jonathan.druart: Bug 18759: Try to fix random failure from Circulation.t |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18759 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Circulation.t is failing randomly |
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Joubu |
@later tell tcohen t/db_dependent/Search.t "l.665 getRecords" raises a warning, do you know if it is expected? |
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huginn |
Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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rangi |
morning |
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eythian |
Evening |
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eythian |
You have a clone here. |
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rangi |
orly? |
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eythian |
You+_ |
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rangi |
ahh i see, from .eu |
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eythian |
Yeah |
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eythian |
Didn't expect you to be the one to try installations on Windows though. |
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rangi |
heh |
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rangi |
Joubu: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Main_Page hows that? |
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Joubu |
rangi: yes thx, it works for now |
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rangi |
@later tell fridolin 17.05 branch is pushed now |
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huginn |
rangi: The operation succeeded. |
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cait1 |
eythian: maybe his evil twin? |
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* cait1 |
waves at kathryn |
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kathryn |
hi cait1 :) |
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cait1 |
oh again? |
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cait |
better |
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* cait |
stretches |
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kathryn |
yeah :) there you are |
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* magnuse |
waves from the land of the midnight sun |
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eythian |
cait: most likely |
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adminuser |
quit |
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adminuser |
q |
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adminuser |
exit |
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aleisha |
try with a / at the front |
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aleisha |
bye |
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vegasjoe |
Hello. Is anybody using Percona? |
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vegasjoe |
test this |
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* magnuse |
has been watching the midnight sun not setting |
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bag |
how late does it stay up magnuse ? |
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bag |
does it ever set? |
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magnuse |
it never sets |
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magnuse |
well, not until early july |
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bag |
Our’s currently sets at around 21:10 |
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bag |
@weather bodo |
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huginn |
bag: Error: Could not find weather information. (This may be a bug. If you think it is, please file a bug report at <http://sourceforge.net/tr acker/?func=add&group_id=58965&atid=489447>.) |
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bag |
@wunder boo |
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huginn |
bag: Error: No such location could be found. |
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bag |
@wunder bodo |
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huginn |
bag: Error: No such location could be found. |
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bag |
@wunder pdx |
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huginn |
bag: Error: No such location could be found. |
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bag |
:P |
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magnuse |
bag: not too bad, i guess ;-) |
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Francesca |
@wunder wlg |
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huginn |
Francesca: Error: No such location could be found. |
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wizzyrea |
hi Francesca |
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Francesca |
hi wizzyrea! |
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wizzyrea |
@wunder nzwn |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: Error: No such location could be found. |
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wizzyrea |
ooo |
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Francesca |
O.o |
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wizzyrea |
@wunder wellington, NZ |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: Error: No such location could be found. |
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Francesca |
we don't exist |
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wizzyrea |
:( he's broken |
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wizzyrea |
@wunder 66047 |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: Error: No such location could be found. |
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Francesca |
how are you? |
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Francesca |
ok I gotta vanish |
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Francesca |
see ya |
