IRC log for #koha, 2017-03-17

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01:53 kathryn hi I wanted to pass along a great quote from a new Koha library I visited today: "we deleted half of our user documentation, because Koha is so intuitive" Thanks for that, everyone!
01:54 kathryn that's is my feel-good Friday moment :D
02:25 dilan hey guys i keep getting redirected to the web installer every time i try to stage a marc record for import in my devbox
02:26 dilan no matter how many times it completes successfully it never brings me to the actual screen
02:26 dilan has anyone seen else had this happen to them?
02:26 dilan *anyone else
02:26 wizzyrea can you do other stuff?
02:27 wizzyrea without being redirected to the web installers
02:27 wizzyrea ?
02:27 dilan 1 sec let me try
02:27 dilan nope
02:27 wizzyrea ok, have you gone through the web installer?
02:27 dilan yes
02:27 wizzyrea maybe did you pull a new version recently?
02:28 wizzyrea or update your master branch
02:28 wizzyrea or something like
02:28 wizzyrea probably what you need to do
02:28 wizzyrea is in your devbox
02:29 wizzyrea do sudo koha-plack --disable kohadev
02:29 wizzyrea sudo apache2ctl restart
02:29 wizzyrea go through the web installer again
02:29 wizzyrea then sudo koha-plack --enable kohadev
02:29 wizzyrea and sudo service memcached restart
02:29 dilan the devboxes are plackified upon spin up?
02:29 dilan okay ill give it a go
02:29 wizzyrea and sudo service apache2ctl restart
02:30 wizzyrea again after you enable plack
02:30 wizzyrea yes, they are
02:30 dilan that would explain a lot haha
02:30 wizzyrea the web installer isn't fantastically plack compatible
02:30 wizzyrea :)
02:30 wizzyrea yeah, you're gonna want to get familiar with
02:30 wizzyrea koha-plack --restart kohadev && sudo service memcached restart
02:31 wizzyrea so you can see your changes.
02:31 wizzyrea and stuff.
02:38 dilan worked like a charm :)
02:39 dilan thanks so much for that
03:09 mtj speaking of kohadevbox.. has anyone seen this error during the web install..?
03:09 mtj DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::_dbh_execute(): Table 'koha_kohadev.search_field' doesn't exist at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/Koha/ line 101
03:10 mtj ..on an empty db
03:10 wizzyrea mtj do you have a similar problem to dilan?
03:10 wizzyrea where you need to disable plack to go through the web installer
03:10 mtj it bombs on 'step 3' of the install
03:10 mtj ive disabled plack already
03:11 wizzyrea what is the base os of this particular devbox?
03:11 mtj debian stable (of course)
03:12 mtj oh.. osx
03:12 wizzyrea naw I meant the virtualmachine
03:12 wizzyrea no, I'm sorry I have'nt seen that one
03:12 wizzyrea i mean maybe I have but if I have
03:12 wizzyrea it was something dumb
03:12 mtj ah yeah, .. jessie
03:12 wizzyrea like plack was running or memcached needed to be restarted after a pull
03:13 mtj yeah... done all at jazz twice
03:13 wizzyrea are you at a specific commit?
03:13 wizzyrea or just master?
03:14 mtj master, 16.11, and 16.5
03:15 wizzyrea has to be your environment then, though someone just posted about that -ish error on the list
03:16 wizzyrea mysql version? maybe jessie just got 5.7?
03:16 wizzyrea http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]oftware_Error.jpg
03:16 wizzyrea this was on the list earlier
03:16 wizzyrea but it's not quite the same
03:18 mtj ooh, very close tho... line 101
03:18 wizzyrea yeah it's dying at the same spot
03:18 mtj me just rebooted vm
03:22 pastebot "mtj" at pasted "kohadevbox error" (13 lines) at
03:23 mtj hmm, still the same :(
03:23 wizzyrea are you absolutely sure your plack is disabled?
03:23 wizzyrea it's not running at all
03:24 wizzyrea ps ax | grep starman has no output?
03:24 * wizzyrea has to go soon
03:25 mtj yes, plack is confirmed disabled
03:27 wizzyrea sorry mtj, the neuron that the solution for that lives on, I think I killed it with gin earlier this week. :(
03:29 jcamins wizzyrea: what kind of gin?
03:29 jcamins ^^ obviously the important question
03:30 mtj np, ill try a proper 'vagrant destroy ; vagrant up' later wizzyrea
03:31 mtj jcamins: agree btw ^ :)
03:31 wizzyrea hehe it was bombay, not super amazing gin but not terrible. Slightly better than that made in a bathtub.
03:31 jcamins Hehe.
03:31 wizzyrea anyway, ka kite ano, nga hoa!
03:32 wizzyrea oh I forgot some macrons. curses.
03:34 mtj cya wiz, have a good one
03:35 mtj thanks again for your help :0)
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04:45 kivilahtio Joubu: I told you do as you please. I strongly disagree about removing biblioitems-linkage.
04:45 kivilahtio biblionumber should be only relevant in cataloguing and search context
04:45 kivilahtio biblioitemnumber points to the real manifestation of work which has items and acquisitions and subscriptions etc
04:45 kivilahtio biblio is a abstract form of metadata out of metadata
04:46 kivilahtio now you bring us down even deeper
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06:01 kivilahtio is prove t/db_dependent/Koha ever ran on the community Jenkins?
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06:56 * magnuse waves
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07:05 alex_a bonjour
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07:09 LibraryClaire morning #koha
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07:41 reiveune hello
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07:47 fridolin hie tehre
07:47 matts hi !
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07:59 eythian wahanui: hello
07:59 wahanui privet, eythian
07:59 eythian wahanui: you're back!
07:59 wahanui eythian: excuse me?
08:00 eythian wahanui: your back, it has a spider on it
08:00 wahanui eythian: excuse me?
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08:12 * LibraryClaire hugs wahanui
08:12 LibraryClaire wahanui: botsnack ice cream
08:12 wahanui thanks LibraryClaire :)
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08:18 gaetan_B hello
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09:40 * LibraryClaire pokes wahanui
09:40 wahanui ouch!
09:41 LibraryClaire me?
09:41 wahanui LibraryClaire is the monster under my bed
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10:02 magnuse @wunder enbo
10:02 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (10:50 AM CET on March 17, 2017). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 28.71 in 972 hPa (Steady).
10:39 gaetan_B cait: i just saw you're not comoing to the hackfest! what a strange hackfest will it be without you and magnuse!
10:40 magnuse awww...
10:40 cait thx gaetan_B - will miss you all too
10:40 cait but LibraryClaire will be there
10:41 * magnuse is looking forward to next year
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10:49 kivilahtio ashimema: have you been working on the OAuth2 stuff?
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11:18 ashimema I have.. but I got bunged on another project for a week so i'm behind.. as usual :(
11:19 ashimema the ::OAuth2::Server lib i'm relying on is undergoing a fairly big change right at he minute too.. so I called off work until that's complete
11:19 ashimema Lee is aiming to work on it during the perl QA hackathon in Lyon
11:20 ashimema Whilst I was working on implementing it into 3 apps here I found some bugs and irregularities with the subroutine signature which we both decided should be fixed before continuing.
11:21 ashimema In short.. we were allowing some references to leak
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11:53 rsantellan good morning #koha
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12:11 drojf hi #koha
12:17 Joubu hi #koha
12:18 Joubu kivilahtio: thanks for commenting
12:19 Joubu kivilahtio: biblio and biblioitems must be merged together anyway (even if you have things like representation of work, frbr, etc.)
12:19 Joubu in mind*
12:20 francharb o/ #koha
12:20 Joubu I will be really surprise if Koha works correctly with biblioitemnumber and biblionumber not in sync
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12:26 oleonard Hi #koha
12:27 kivilahtio Joubu: Koha has never worked with biblioitemnumber and biblionumber out of sync
12:27 tcohen morning
12:27 kivilahtio Joubu: the point is preserving good DB structure
12:27 Joubu kivilahtio: so why should complicate my life?
12:28 Joubu DB structure is wrong
12:28 tcohen get rid of biblioitems!
12:28 Joubu yes please
12:28 tcohen create a biblioitems view for retro-compatibility!
12:28 tcohen good morning Joubu!
12:28 kivilahtio it is a massive change, effort is better spent making a working distinction between work and manifestation
12:28 tcohen he
12:29 kivilahtio which is pretty much switching to use biblioitemnumber instead of biblionumber
12:30 kivilahtio this way you have a foothold to extend to Bibframe
12:30 kivilahtio fix some DB columns
12:30 kivilahtio You will need to anyway deal with a bibliographic record which comprises of multiple tables
12:31 Joubu you will need to make Koha works with the 2 fields out of sync
12:32 kivilahtio Joubu: it depends. Like I said earlier, you only need the biblio-column in cataloguing. Otherwise all fines, holds, acquisitions, subscriptions etc target the manifestation of work, the biblioitem
12:32 kivilahtio what I am concerned is that you maneuver to an awkward position using small steps.
12:33 kivilahtio if you make changes to the way metadata is expressed in the DB you should go forward
12:33 kivilahtio one way or the other, it is a big change
12:34 kivilahtio instead of dropping biblioitems, switch all bibilinumber and biblioitemnumber refrence sto point into that
12:34 kivilahtio I dont know why you have to move biblioitemnumber and biblionumber together every place, where it doesnät have any purpose
12:34 Joubu sorry, too early. I need tea, then I need to write patches
12:35 kivilahtio but maintain the distinctions of different type of metadata about a bibliographic record
12:35 blou Jumping in, completely out of the loop, but : We got production instances where biblionnumber and biblioitemnumber are out of sync.  We don't know how it happened, but they work fine
12:35 Joubu I think biblio and biblioitems tables are a decision history
12:35 Joubu and should be removed
12:35 kivilahtio Joubu: yes. Decision history looking forward 20 years too much :)
12:35 Joubu and people working on this project for years agree with that
12:35 kivilahtio but it has been 17 years Koha has been in existence
12:36 kivilahtio :)
12:36 kivilahtio blou: I don't know how it works for you
12:36 kivilahtio blou: maybe somebody fixed something :)
12:36 Joubu blou: black magic? Hope you have an exorcist
12:37 Joubu maybe it works I do not know, but reading the code, it should not
12:37 kivilahtio blou: the problem is that the results are not correct
12:37 blou kivilahtio: I . don't.  Know.  But a "customer" asked us, because it caused problem when exporting to modify with MarcEdit.
12:37 blou But other than that, all normal usages are fine
12:37 kivilahtio you click a search result titled "Jane Doe" and get a detail view of "John Deer"
12:37 blou Interesting.
12:37 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
12:37 kivilahtio blou: but this behaviour was with 3.16
12:38 blou they havent reported that issue
12:38 kivilahtio blou: we have this in 3.16
12:38 kivilahtio blou: but that is very old Koha already
12:38 blou (And they sure are the type to find such bad search result)
12:38 blou They are in 3.22
12:39 kivilahtio blou: nice
12:39 blou I could ask them to test today
12:39 kivilahtio blou: I would imagine they have identified issues if there ar any
12:39 blou I'll send an email right now
12:39 kivilahtio they are rather apparent
12:39 kivilahtio blou: do they use serials-module, or acquisitions?
12:40 blou kivilahtio: I'll ask.  Serials.: I'm pretty sure.  Acqui, I don't know
12:43 blou kivilahtio: email sent, I should have a response within an hour (search, acqui, serials).
12:43 kivilahtio blou: ok. thanks
12:45 blou Like I said: we have no idea how it happened.  Since it's only with recent items, I suspect some cataloguing or import that failed in the middle.
12:45 blou I haven't explored since they reported no other problem than marcedit.
12:45 blou Also: couldn't find an easy to fix that.  Allllllllll the tables that would need to be validated and resynched simultaneously... argh.
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12:48 eythian @wunder ams
12:48 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Amsterdam, Netherlands is 9.0°C (1:25 PM CET on March 17, 2017). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
12:48 kivilahtio blou: there arent that many
12:48 kivilahtio blou: do not fall into despair
12:49 kivilahtio blou: I did it but cant remember how anymore. I am pretty sure it was all one single SQL transaction
12:51 Joubu blou: if you do it, write a wiki page ;)
12:52 blou :)
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12:52 blou kivilahtio: Already got an answer:  They use Serials and Acqui, a lot, and never reported an issue.
12:52 kivilahtio thanks
12:53 blou searches, on the other hand, gives an error
12:53 kivilahtio blou: maybe we don't have to fear then :)
12:53 kivilahtio snap
12:53 blou when searching by notice number.  It returns both (the matching biblio and the matching biblioitem)
12:54 kivilahtio what is a notice number?
12:54 blou no issue reported with just searching with names (otherwise, I'm sure I would have had to fix it AND create a wiki :) )
12:54 blou sn:123456
12:54 blou I think
12:54 blou record number.  Sorry, didn't translate that part
12:55 blou Seems they use marcedit a lot, which could be the cause of the problem if they played even once with 999$c or $d
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13:50 mtj ping galen, jajm, cait - i might have some perm error with pishing to the git repo
13:50 mtj pushing
13:50 cait hey
13:50 cait yay!
13:50 cait it's awfully late for you!
13:51 mtj hiya, yeah.. all good :)
13:54 cait ping gmcharlt
13:59 cait khall1: ping
13:59 khall1 ah, so 16.05 is ready?
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14:02 cait gmcharlt++
14:05 khall1 mtj: do you have the tarball for 16.05 uploaded yet?
14:05 mtj yep
14:05 khall1 can you tell me what dir you put it in?
14:05 mtj ~/releases
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15:03 cait mtj++
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15:31 oleonard I'm getting an error in my kohadevbox installation: DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::_dbh_execute(): Unknown column 'me.overdrive_auth_token' in 'field list' at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/Koha/ line 83
15:31 oleonard I've tried running updatedatabase manually and restarting all the relevant services
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15:38 Joubu oleonard: do you see the fields in the borrowers and deletedborrowers tables?
15:39 Joubu I think this error is when the field is not known by dbic
15:39 Joubu so restart plack should work
15:39 Joubu otherwise make sure the correct schema files are in used
15:40 tcohen oleonard, try restart_all
15:40 Joubu Ha, I guess it comes from the dev_install flag
15:40 Joubu tcohen: he said he restarted everything :)
15:41 * tcohen goes back to his previous task
15:41 Joubu which was? Upgrade all the customers?
15:42 Joubu oleonard: check your dev_install entry in your koha-conf file, if you do not have it, add it and set it to 1
15:47 oleonard I should have <dev_install>1</dev_install> Joubu?
15:47 Joubu yep
15:48 Joubu in the config part
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15:59 oleonard No luck :(
16:02 reiveune bye
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16:16 Joubu oleonard: you added the entry then restart memcached + plack and you still get the error?
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16:31 oleonard destroying and starting over worked Joubu
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16:40 CrispyBran oleonard: in kohadevbox when I go to "Stage MARC records for import", Koha throws me into the koha installer.  Are you seeing this on your end?
16:40 oleonard Yes
16:40 CrispyBran known bug?
16:40 wahanui known bug is, like, better than an unknown bug
16:41 oleonard Not known to me
16:41 CrispyBran I'll check and report it.
16:45 CrispyBran https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=18297
16:45 huginn` Bug 18297: critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Clicking on Stage MARC records for import launches koha installer
16:46 cait CrispyBran: try restarting plack and run the webinstaller from command line
16:46 CrispyBran I have not run the webinstaller from command line before
16:50 CrispyBran cait: how do I run the webinstaller from cammand line?
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16:59 cait CrispyBran: ./installer/data/mysql/ or very similar
16:59 cait typing from memory :)
17:01 Joubu well done RM & RMaints ;)
17:01 oleonard CrispyBran: using koha-shell
17:02 CrispyBran oleonard: using koha-shell?  Not familiar with this.  Sorry.  Still learning.
17:02 Joubu yes the reverse, execute the updatedb script manually then restart memcached + plack
17:02 Joubu sudo koha-shell kohadev
17:02 Joubu perl installer/data/mysql/
17:03 Joubu exit # to be logged in as vagrant
17:03 Joubu then restart memcached + plack (in this order)
17:08 tcohen or restart_all
17:08 tcohen which is an alias
17:12 CrispyBran cait: that seems to have fixed it.  How did you do that?  ;)
17:16 cait hm what?
17:16 CrispyBran ??
17:18 tcohen running manually, inside koha-shell kohadev
17:18 CrispyBran cait ^
17:18 cait plack and kohadev always gave me trouble with that
17:18 cait so that's what someone told me i think when i ran into it
17:18 CrispyBran Yes, that did the trick.  Not sure why it got bunged up in the first place.
17:18 CrispyBran ah
17:18 cait with plack when you do a git pull it doens't notice that there is a database update
17:19 CrispyBran Adding it to my kohadevbox notes.
17:19 cait unti it kicks in later on
17:19 cait probably would be a good habit to check for a database update (run the installer) every time you do a git pull
17:19 tcohen CrispyBran: on your notes, write that you need to run 'restart_all' just in case
17:19 cait oh what' sthat?
17:19 CrispyBran will do
17:19 tcohen it is an alias
17:19 tcohen for
17:20 tcohen sudo service memcached restart; sudo koha-plack —restart kohadev ; sudo service apache2 restart
17:20 tcohen or the like
17:20 wahanui rumour has it the like is hard to say, could adapt to yes, but doesn't feel intuitive
17:20 cait oh nice!
17:20 tcohen cait: thank kidclamp :-D
17:23 gaetan_B see you next week in Marseille !
17:23 tcohen :(
17:23 cait he knows about the good thing sin life
17:24 tcohen oh yeah
17:24 tcohen he sings Britney Spears...
17:24 cait interesting
17:24 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
17:25 * tcohen barely remembers LibraryClaire joined him
17:27 Joubu If "it" happens again, please film ;)
17:28 cait yep
17:28 * tcohen had too much beer on his system for such a delicate operation
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18:17 kelly hello !  Training Adam with ARG
18:17 jzairo HI Kelly and Adam from ARG!
18:18 kelly hi jzairo
18:29 tcohen hi kelly
18:30 kellym-lunch hi
18:30 wahanui hey, kellym-lunch
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20:00 eythian @later tell drojf[…]s/oga521eUGBHjQKX[…]s/2IuCDefvmsz79JP you should see if you can find and drink this because it's really good
20:00 huginn` eythian: The operation succeeded.
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21:18 blou waehter
21:18 blou weather
21:18 blou @weather
21:18 huginn` blou: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
21:19 blou @weather h2c2r2
21:19 huginn` blou: The current temperature in Milton Park, Montréal, Quebec is -2.0°C (5:13 PM EDT on March 17, 2017). Conditions: . Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Falling).
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21:37 eythian @wunder ams
21:37 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Amsterdam, Netherlands is 7.0°C (10:25 PM CET on March 17, 2017). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Falling).
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