IRC log for #koha, 2017-01-31

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06:17 drojf morning #koha
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06:54 LibraryClaire morning #koha
07:00 * magnuse waves
07:05 LibraryClaire hei magnuse
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07:23 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
07:23 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Schoenefeld, Germany is -1.0°C (7:50 AM CET on January 31, 2017). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
07:23 drojf cait: email
07:24 cait meh
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07:40 mtj hiya cait, ping ping
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07:55 bag hiya
07:56 bag @wunder pdx
07:56 huginn bag: The current temperature in Mikeshouse Cully, Portland, Oregon is 4.4°C (11:53 PM PST on January 30, 2017). Conditions: . Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017.5 hPa (Rising). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 1 PM PST Wednesday...
07:56 bag no more snow please huginn
07:57 LibraryClaire hey bag
07:57 LibraryClaire @wunder konstanz
07:57 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in Mainaustraße, Konstanz, Germany is 7.7°C (8:29 AM CET on January 31, 2017). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
07:57 LibraryClaire I have never been so pleased to have some rain
07:57 bag LibraryClaire: The current temperature in Mainaustraße, Konstanz, Germany is too warm for you
07:58 LibraryClaire :))
07:58 bag LibraryClaire: The current temperature in Mainaustraße, Konstanz, Germany is not enough rain
07:58 LibraryClaire I didn't have to put the heating on high last night for the first time in ages :D
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08:09 * cait waves
08:11 cait @later tell drojf ping
08:11 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
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08:12 Joubu hi #koha
08:12 LibraryClaire Joubu!
08:14 bag heya Joubu
08:15 alex_a hello
08:15 wahanui privet, alex_a
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08:16 drojf nobody told me there is a lot of snow outside
08:16 LibraryClaire our snow has all gone, the rain melted it
08:17 drojf hi LibraryClaire
08:17 drojf i guess it will be the same here later
08:17 LibraryClaire moin drojf
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08:20 reiveune hello
08:20 wahanui bidet, reiveune
08:20 LibraryClaire salut reiveune
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08:22 * magnuse has fresh snow
08:22 magnuse @wunder boo
08:22 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
08:23 magnuse @wunder enbo
08:23 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (8:50 AM CET on January 31, 2017). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
08:24 drojf upload of 16.05.09 done. later #koha
08:31 bag magnuse: HI
08:31 magnuse bag: knuckles!
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08:31 magnuse drojf++
08:32 gaetan_B hello
08:32 wahanui kia ora, gaetan_B
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08:39 cait @later ping drojf
08:39 huginn cait: downloading the Perl source
08:39 cait @later tell drojf ping
08:39 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
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08:44 drojf back
08:44 drojf cait: huginn keeps telling me ping
08:46 cait :)
08:47 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
08:47 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Aprikosensteig, Berlin, Germany is 0.0°C (9:20 AM CET on January 31, 2017). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
08:50 bag drojf: The current temperature in Aprikosensteig, Berlin, Germany is right at the freezing level
08:51 drojf bag: thanks!
08:51 drojf weather bag
08:51 bag it’s all in the bag …
08:51 drojf heh. i meant that as a name, not a command, but thanks for the pm wahanui
08:52 drojf bag: i have to inform you that you are not a 4-letter station code
08:52 LibraryClaire you can get pms from wahanui?
08:52 drojf i do, because i am special
08:52 bag try the karma negative thing and you will
08:52 bag bag—
08:52 bag bag--
08:52 huginn bag: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
08:53 bag ok night night all
08:53 LibraryClaire goodnight bag
08:53 drojf night bag
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09:24 cait jajm: around?
09:25 jajm cait, yes
09:26 cait pm :)
09:54 Joubu mtj: dep between 17986 and 17880 was correct
09:55 Joubu we use "a depends on b" when the code from 'a' is using the code from b
09:59 mtj ah yes thanks Joubu
10:01 mtj gah, my thunderbird profile crashed a few days ago - i just noticed its now emailing html as default
10:01 mtj ohh the shame
10:02 drojf heh
10:03 cait mtj: it hink I sahre the shame wit this webmail
10:04 cait at home it's all set up not to do html
10:06 drojf has anybody upgraded 16.05.09 yet?
10:06 drojf *to
10:08 cait hah- that was it. the non-html mail got through on koha now
10:10 drojf html_mail--
10:18 * mtj sets email font to comic-sans
10:22 cait :)
10:22 cait i guess someone moderates tonight and then there will be 3 emails... but I wanted it show up NOW :)
10:24 mtj drojf: just trying 16.5.9 now on devbox  now...
10:24 drojf mtj: yay
10:31 mtj drojf: pkg works as expected
10:31 drojf mtj: thanks for testing!
10:36 eythian hi
10:36 wahanui hello, eythian
10:37 cait Joubu++
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10:41 vfernandes hi #koha
10:42 vfernandes one question: it's possible to configure OPAC search filters/facets?
10:43 magnuse khall: do you know if there is a public sign-up page and/or archive for the rdf list?
10:43 khall there is not, would you like me to add you magnuse?
10:43 magnuse i'm already on there, i think :-)
10:44 khall ah, cool : )
10:44 magnuse i was more thinking about asking the opl people if they would like to sign up
10:44 magnuse (i'm definitely on there, i'm getting mails from the list :-)
10:45 cait is it very busy?
10:45 * cait pondres
10:47 magnuse not yet :-)
10:47 magnuse there have been 3 mails so far, i think
10:47 magnuse gah, i have forgotten how to set up a dev install
10:51 magnuse have to look more at that after lunch, then
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10:54 vfernandes after looking to the code, the answer to me is "No, Koha don't support configurable search facets" :/
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11:35 asgeirr Hi. Is it possible to limit reservations by homebranch? So that all items that have a particular branch as homebranch cannot be reserved?
11:45 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
11:46 huginn drojf: Error: No such location could be found.
11:46 drojf :(
11:48 eythian @wunder ams
11:48 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Amsterdam, Netherlands is 5.0°C (12:25 PM CET on January 31, 2017). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
11:48 LibraryClaire @wunder konstanz
11:48 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 7.4°C (12:41 PM CET on January 31, 2017). Conditions: . Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Steady).
11:48 LibraryClaire conditions: .
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11:54 eythian there are no conditions.
11:54 eythian You are free of weather
11:54 LibraryClaire the moisture falling from the sky suggests otherwise
11:57 magnuse @wunder enbo
11:57 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
11:58 drojf magnuse: we don't exist
11:59 magnuse \o/
12:00 magnuse asgeirr: in "Circulation and fines rules" you can choose a specific library, then create a rule for all patron categories and all item types, and set "Holds allowed (count)" = 0?
12:01 * magnuse tries to remember what the most likely cause of a 403 on a dev install was
12:03 eythian check the logs.
12:04 eythian 403 should usually be logged.
12:06 magnuse eythian: not too interesting this time, but it was a missing "Require all granted"
12:06 magnuse ...and now it shows the perl source , not the generated html. yay!
12:09 magnuse "sudo a2enmod cgi" took care of that
12:10 eythian you should be using the packages :)
12:10 eythian (pretty sure they yell at you if that's not enabled.)
12:15 magnuse no yelling so far
12:16 magnuse and i do want a "proper" dev install for demoing some dev work, to avoid any gitified problems
12:16 magnuse bbiab
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12:30 asgeirr @magnuse i thought that affected reservations made by that branch, not items with that homebranch
12:30 huginn asgeirr: downloading the Perl source
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12:52 oleonard Hi all
12:52 drojf hi oleonard
12:52 wahanui hi olé onard
12:55 eythian hi oleonard
12:55 wahanui hi dear loon
12:57 oleonard Hi, uh.... Yeah Nit?
13:00 LibraryClaire hi oleonard
13:00 wahanui hi oleopard
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13:05 eythian oleonard: I prefer "Hyena Ti"
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13:08 * cait waves
13:08 magnuse asgeirr: ah, i'm confused now - not absolutely certain how it works...
13:08 magnuse cait would know ;-)
13:08 cait hm??
13:09 cait probably not :)
13:09 magnuse <asgeirr> said: Hi. Is it possible to limit reservations by homebranch? So that all items that have a particular branch as homebranch cannot be reserved?
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13:09 cait hm
13:10 cait maybe it's a combination about homeorholdingbranch and circ rules to allow that?
13:10 * magnuse thinks cait knows everything there is to know about koha
13:10 magnuse german grundlichkeit
13:10 cait nah, holds are a bit of a blind spot
13:10 cait maybe if you test with HomeOrHoldingBranch set to 'home library'?
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13:11 marcelr hi #koha
13:11 cait oh
13:11 drojf hi marcelr
13:11 LibraryClaire hi marcelr
13:11 cait and ReserveControlBranch - but that might no logner exist in newer versions
13:11 cait looking at a 3.22
13:11 marcelr hi drojf and cait
13:11 marcelr and LibraryClaire
13:11 wahanui well, LibraryClaire is the monster under my bed
13:11 marcelr ok
13:11 cait hi marcelr :)
13:11 LibraryClaire >:)
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13:12 magnuse cait: how about CircControl?
13:12 wahanui i think CircControl is set to...
13:12 cait ah yeah
13:12 cait i'd experiment with those
13:12 cait the library the item is from could make sense for circ control
13:14 magnuse cait++
13:14 eythian marcelr: you'll be happy to know that my Dutch lessons have resumed. At 8am. It's not a very humane time.
13:14 cait ouch
13:14 marcelr eythian: no kidding :)
13:14 eythian (but, I think it's better than after work when I'm mentally tired already.)
13:15 magnuse eythian, drojf: seen this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mwxE7Ky5hs
13:16 marcelr @later tell tcohen "need the fix of bug 17049?"
13:16 huginn marcelr: The operation succeeded.
13:16 magnuse s/drojf/marcelr/
13:17 magnuse or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwZNuwAK-dc
13:17 marcelr magnuse: :)
13:17 drojf errr
13:17 eythian magnuse: heh
13:18 eythian magnuse: funnily enough, the recommended video following that for me was this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mOy8VUEBk
13:19 magnuse ah, a classic
13:20 drojf heh i know that
13:21 magnuse kamelåså
13:24 eythian kamelåså!
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13:34 edveal Hello
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14:26 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
14:26 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 0.0°C (3:20 PM CET on January 31, 2017). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
14:26 drojf back to existence
14:27 eythian I always thought Germany was a myth.
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14:32 LibraryClaire @wunder konstanz
14:32 huginn LibraryClaire: Error: No such location could be found.
14:33 LibraryClaire oh man
14:33 drojf by #koha
14:33 LibraryClaire I guess only half of Germany can exist at once
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14:38 cait running out of memory?
14:39 oleonard Zebra's not working in my kohadevbox and I can't figure out why. Searches failing. Restarted everything. Running "sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v kohadev" does nothing -- no output at all.
14:41 oleonard Does anyone have any suggestions?
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14:44 LibraryClaire sorry, my experiences of making devbox do things usually involve looking at it and it imploding :(
14:45 oleonard Upgrading Virtualbox has messed everything up
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14:45 cait oleonard: did you switch searchengine?
14:45 cait that usually does it for me
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14:46 oleonard cait: What do you do?
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14:49 tcohen bonjour
14:49 LibraryClaire hola tcohen
14:51 tcohen hi LibraryClaire
14:51 tcohen @seen Joubu
14:51 huginn tcohen: Joubu was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 55 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <Joubu> we use "a depends on b" when the code from 'a' is using the code from b
14:51 Joubu @seen tcohen
14:51 huginn Joubu: tcohen was last seen in #koha 17 seconds ago: <tcohen> @seen Joubu
14:52 tcohen hi Joubu
14:52 Joubu Hola tcohen
14:52 cait oleonard: switching from ElasticSearch to Koha
14:52 cait hm zebra
14:53 cait but not sue why you don't get anything with -v :(
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14:58 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
14:59 marcelr tcohen: what is the exact problem?
14:59 mtompset Anyone familiar with why mysql fails to start under xenial? I tweaked some apparmor config and got it further, but can't get it to start.
14:59 marcelr hi mtompset
14:59 mtompset Greetings, marcelr
15:02 tcohen marcelr: what are you talking about?
15:02 marcelr devbox and the pushed dev install bug
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15:02 marcelr 16733
15:03 cait bug 16733
15:03 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16733 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, RESOLVED FIXED, More flexible paths in debian scripts (for dev installs)
15:03 tcohen marcelr: I'll re-check
15:03 marcelr look at 17049 possibly
15:03 tcohen but if you create a new kohadevbox (out-of-the-box)
15:03 tcohen it won't start plack. and commands don't work
15:04 tcohen they just die silently
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15:05 marcelr im not sure what you are doing in kohadevbox behind the scenes
15:05 tcohen nothing really
15:05 wahanui nothing really is, like, impossible... right? :)
15:05 marcelr but if you are changing perl5lib, bug 17049 might be needed
15:05 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17049 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Improve PERL5LIB handling for packaged dev install (follow-up for 16733)
15:05 tcohen besides gitifying the koha instance
15:06 marcelr well thats the topic :)
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15:07 marcelr in which kohadevbox script should i have a look?
15:08 tcohen not kohadecbox
15:08 tcohen but koha-gitify
15:08 wahanui it has been said that koha-gitify is https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify
15:08 tcohen https://github.com/mkfifo/koha[…]aster/koha-gitify
15:08 marcelr ok
15:09 tcohen marcelr: adding the dev_install entry fixed it
15:09 marcelr i will have a look now
15:09 marcelr yeah but it should work without it ?
15:10 marcelr let you know if i find something..
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16:00 marcelr bye
16:00 tcohen later #koha, lunch time
16:00 tcohen marcelr, thanks for the email, I'll provide fixes
16:09 reiveune bye
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17:28 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 17610 - Allow the number of plack workers and max connections to be set in koha... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]11b885b7c907ca69a>
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17:43 tcohen hi
17:43 tcohen Joubu: I added the followup you requested on bug 13757
17:43 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13757 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Make patron attributes editable in the opac if set to 'editable in OPAC'
17:44 Joubu tcohen: yep, seen it. I have take a look tomorrow
17:44 tcohen Joubu: thanks!
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17:55 LibraryClaire hi #koha
17:55 tcohen hi LibraryClaire
17:56 LibraryClaire o/
17:56 oleonard Hi LibraryClaire sorry I missed you earlier
17:56 LibraryClaire hey oleonard
17:56 wahanui oleonard is probably still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
17:56 LibraryClaire thanks wahanui
18:04 * kidclamp waves
18:05 LibraryClaire hey kidclamp
18:05 wahanui hmmm... kidclamp is rockin the stache
18:05 kidclamp Im out lf wax though wahanui - its bascially a disaster
18:10 * oleonard pictures some kind of nose-fro
18:11 oleonard Wasn't pianohacker working on an overhaul of smart-rules.pl?
18:18 oleonard Ah, here it is: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ackend_Revamp_RFC
18:18 oleonard Yay, I remembered something correctly!
18:20 * cait waves
18:21 oleonard Any ByWater folks able to say whether there is existing code to build on for that feature?
18:21 bag not currently oleonard
18:22 oleonard So it was still in the planning stages?
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19:04 * oleonard grumbles about now wanting to redesign the circ and fine rules interface
19:04 * LibraryClaire slinks away quietly
19:05 Guest1399 Project Koha_Master_D8 build #101: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/101/
19:05 Guest1399 kyle: Bug 17610 - Allow the number of plack workers and max connections to be
19:05 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17610 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Allow the number of plack workers and max connections to be set in koha-conf.xml
19:05 * tcohen will write some REST endpoints for a cute new circ rules UI
19:06 oleonard thumbs-up-emoji.png
19:06 LibraryClaire cute :3
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22:25 sjenson I recently upgrade from Ubuntu 14.04 to 16.04 and while theoretically MariaDB works, I have had problems with it. Has anyone downgraded MySQL on Ubuntu 16.04 and made Koha work? If so which version works the best for Koha? 5.5?
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23:36 mtompset Sorry, alexbuckley_
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23:36 mtompset sjenson: The problem is MySQL 5.7 is in strict mode.
23:37 wizzycray I haven't seen any trouble with mariadb
23:37 mtompset Because it still is non-strict mode.
23:37 wizzycray but he said "I have had troubles with mariadb"
23:37 wizzycray or at least that's how I read it
23:38 * dcook perks up
23:38 mtompset Perhaps he linked his mysql configuration in, which was strict mode?
23:39 * mtompset shrugs.
23:39 mtompset Greetings wizzycray dcook
23:39 * dcook waves
23:39 dcook It's been too long since I had troubles with strict mode, so I have nothing helpful to offer
23:39 mtompset alexbuckley_++ # He's a trooper putting up with feedback.
23:40 mtompset dcook: I've been playing with installing Koha in Xenial.
23:40 mtompset For some reason the xenial kohadevbox is giving me mysql issues.
23:40 mtompset So, I'm back to an oldschool Xenial git install.
23:41 alexbuckley_ I think the issue is that the onshelfholds column is being referenced as being in the default_branch_circ_rules
23:41 alexbuckley_ table but as I said that column doesn't exist in that table. Do you get the same error when you apply 17955?
23:41 mtompset alexbuckley_: Nope. The issue is that value="notavailable" (or whatever that string is) is NOT an integer.
23:42 dcook Seems like there's been a lot of database issues lately..
23:42 mtompset dcook: We're trying to fight through them to get 5.7 easy install on Xenial.
23:42 mtompset Because when Debian goes 5.7, it's going to be a nightmare.
23:42 mtompset Trying to get ahead of the curve.
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23:43 mtompset alexbuckley_: The error I put in the comment is the same with and without 17955.
23:43 wizzycray then it's totally a different bug?
23:43 dcook Nice one, mtompset. Good to see someone thinking ahead :D
23:43 * dcook has given up on his warnings about Zebra
23:44 mtompset wizzycray: I'm not tracking where you are coming from.
23:44 dcook Well, not given up entirely
23:44 wizzycray mtompset, if that bug happens with or without the patch, isn't it a different bug?
23:44 mtompset dcook: There is a still a search engine ghost related to zebra I was pondering trying to debug.
23:44 dcook search engine ghost?
23:45 mtompset wizzycray: No, it means 17855 doesn't do what it needs to do properly.
23:45 mtompset and 17995 doesn't fix it either.
23:45 mtompset dcook: There is a parameter somewhere that elasticsearch uses that zebra call doesn't and it triggers a problem.
23:46 mtompset And I vaguely have notes written somewhere, but I figure if elastic search takes over as the search engine there is no point hunting forit.
23:46 wizzycray can you add circ rules generally in xenial?
23:46 wizzycray without that error?
23:46 mtompset wizzycray: Not in the onboarding tool.
23:46 wizzycray that isn't what I asked you
23:47 mtompset Let me check....
23:48 wizzycray my concern is that the problem isn't specific to the onboarding tool
23:48 wizzycray and is more to do with how the onshelfholds in the circ table happens.
23:49 mtompset Yes, yes you can add a rule in Xenial circ rules.
23:49 mtompset He needs to take the logic from that code and put it into onboarding.
23:50 mtompset Because I don't think it is the onshelfholds field... but opacitemshold field.
23:50 mtompset but I'm totally going off my poor memory.
23:51 mtompset Which is why I mentioned "I was reading updatedatabase.pl around 3.19.00.017's update."
23:51 mtompset because that got me thinking it might be the wrong field.
23:52 mtompset Does that make sense, alexbuckley_ ?
23:52 mtompset Because the other fixes look great.
23:54 dcook mtompset: Yeah, that's a tough one.
23:54 dcook If you log it, you can add me to the CC
23:56 alexbuckley_ well I half understand I have looked at the smart-rules.pl script and where the user has selected all for item types it does the following insert
23:56 pastebot "alexbuckley_" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "smart-rules.pl" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/292
23:57 alexbuckley_ Whereas in my onboarding.pl I am doing
23:57 pastebot "alexbuckley_" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "onboarding.pl" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/293
23:57 alexbuckley_ in other words their code does not use onshelfholds
23:59 alexbuckley_ so I can implement the equivalent of their query in for all libraries, patron categories and itemtypes into the onboarding.pl

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