IRC log for #koha, 2016-11-23

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06:11 drojf morning #koha
06:16 drojf nice, 2/3 of the dependency packages in the repository are not needed anymore
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07:39 alex_a bonjour
07:40 magnuse @wunder enbo
07:40 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (8:20 AM CET on November 23, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
07:40 magnuse and that rain has frozen on the ground - very nice
07:40 * LibraryClaire waves
07:41 LibraryClaire @wunder Konstanz
07:41 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in Mainaustraße, Konstanz, Germany is 8.5°C (8:39 AM CET on November 23, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
07:41 LibraryClaire had a glowing yellow sunrise behind the mountains this morning. very nice. I need a better camera
07:42 mtj hey #koha
07:42 mtj drojf: awesome news re: packages... that sounds like progress hey? :0)
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07:50 magnuse kia ora mtj
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07:52 magnuse bonjour reiveune
07:52 reiveune salut magnuse
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07:55 alex_a hello LibraryClaire and magnuse
08:13 drojf mtj: looks like most were needed for debian squeeze, some for wheezy but only 1/3 is still needed for jessie. time for some cleaning
08:13 drojf @wunder sxf
08:13 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Schoenefeld, Germany is 5.0°C (8:50 AM CET on November 23, 2016). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
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08:20 gaetan_B hello
08:29 Joubu[…]
08:29 Joubu Does someone know where are the release notes?
08:29 wahanui the release notes are in misc/release_notes
08:29 Joubu in a pdf format for instance
08:32 Joubu http://download.koha-community[…]a-16.11.00.tar.gz returns 403
08:33 Joubu @later tell wizzyrea don't know if you can do someting but http://download.koha-community[…]a-16.11.00.tar.gz returns 403
08:33 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
08:37 Joubu @later tell khall I guess you are already aware of it but the release notes have not been attached to your email
08:37 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
08:39 AndrewIsh mornin' #koha
08:40 AndrewIsh @wunder machynlleth
08:40 huginn AndrewIsh: The current temperature in Machynlleth, Machynlleth, United Kingdom is 6.2°C (8:39 AM GMT on November 23, 2016). Conditions: . Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Rising).
08:40 AndrewIsh is anyone able to point me in the direction of any docs detailing the necessary steps for creating new permissions and binding to them in the templates?
08:41 AndrewIsh we've created a db update script to add the permissions to the permissions table
08:41 AndrewIsh and added appropriate lines to koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog​/en/includes/
08:41 AndrewIsh but beyond that, i'm not sure what else to do
08:42 Joubu add it to installer/data/mysql/userpermissions.sql
08:42 Joubu that's all
08:43 Joubu you may want to this permission to existing users
08:44 Joubu if it's what you want, take a look at db rev
08:45 Joubu then to know if the logged in user has the permission, from the template you can do something like CAN_module_permission
08:45 AndrewIsh Joubu:  ah, excellent, i will, thanks :)
08:45 Joubu `git grep CAN_ **/*.tt` for the examples
08:45 AndrewIsh aha, that was going to be my next question
08:45 Joubu (a 'add' was missing in one of my previous sentence)
08:46 AndrewIsh i've been looking at those, there appears to be multiple levels to it, just looking at, it has "CAN_user_tools_view_system_logs", there's a permission called "view_system_logs", is the "user_tools" some sort of higher level?
08:48 Joubu AndrewIsh: have a look at the userflags and permissions table
08:49 Joubu there is a "module" which is the userflags.flag column (reports for instance)
08:50 Joubu then a list of permissions for this "module": permissions.code (create_reports, delete_reports for instance)
08:50 Joubu (what you said basically)
08:53 AndrewIsh ahaaaaa, right, that makes sense. so that enables you to distinguish between permissionX on different areas of the application, makes sense
08:53 AndrewIsh cool, i think i understand now, i'll go and give it a try. thanks Joubu :)
08:55 Joubu AndrewIsh: the tricky part is when you want to understand how things are going on behind the first trees you see
08:55 Joubu Have a look at borrowers.flags and C4::Auth::haspermissions, if you want to go deeper
08:56 Joubu but you should not need that for basic/normal permission checks
08:57 AndrewIsh Joubu:  indeed. i spent some time yesterday afternoon unpicking it but still couldn't figure out exactly how it worked. thanks for the pointers, i'll have a look at that table and sub, it'll be useful to know what's going on in the background :)
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09:14 magnuse bonjour alex_a and Viktor_
09:15 Viktor_ Bonjour magnuse
09:15 alex_a bonjour again magnuse :D
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09:43 eythian @wunder jordaan, ams
09:43 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Ten Kateplein, Amsterdam, Netherlands is 10.9°C (10:31 AM CET on November 23, 2016). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
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12:07 Viktor_ KohaDevbox - is it the files in the kohaclone dir I’m supposed to edit? I’m trying to learn to use kohadevbox instead of my old dev install. Got a new box up, SSH into it, cd kohaclone, new branch and edited kohaclone/koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/b​ootstrap/modules/ But when I update localhost:8080 I see no change even after clearing caches. What obvious thing am I missing?…
12:09 Viktor_ Any help appreciated - I haven’t got my sea legs with kohadevbox for sure :)
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12:11 siriom morning.
12:11 wahanui Ah, morning. The cat must be wanting breakfast.
12:12 siriom anyone want to give a poor soul a hand with a koha problem ?
12:13 Viktor_ morning siriom
12:13 siriom morning chief.
12:13 Viktor_ What’s your problem? Maybe I know who knows what to do at least :)
12:14 siriom had koha running on suse 12 , upgraded to suse 13 and now searchs return weird diamonds instead of special latin chars
12:14 siriom diamond with a question mark inside instead of say "ç" or "ã"
12:15 Viktor_ Sounds like some character encoding problem that I’m not quilified to answer. I just configure it to UTF-8 wherever there is an option and hope for the best :)
12:15 siriom locale issue ? perl issue ? been banging my head on it and can t find the answer
12:15 siriom utf 8 but where ? everything does seem to be utf8
12:17 AndrewIsh Hey all. Does anyone know if it's possible to call DBIx::Class::ResultSet methods on Koha::Items objects? As per the code below:
12:17 pastebot "AndrewIsh" at pasted "my $items = Koha::Items->searc" (6 lines) at
12:17 Viktor_ siriom Only search? That narrows it a tiny bit at least. If everything is the same otherwise I’d suspect some library that Zebra uses has changed in suse
12:18 AndrewIsh Is there some magical incantation for calling dbic methods on Koha objects?
12:20 siriom great so what do i do to check / fix it ?
12:22 Viktor_ siriom Well I’m not really qualified to answer that I’m afraid :( I guess sending a question to the list might give better results. But be prepared for the answer ”Use Debian like recommended and it’ll work”.
12:22 siriom the database is fine , i just checked ...
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12:22 rsantellan good morning #koha
12:22 siriom ok , how do i sent it to the list ? im a first time user here chief.
12:22 siriom morning
12:23 AndrewIsh Viktor_:  Your devbox problem is interesting. I've been using it for about a month and was immediately able to see changes when editing files in ~/kohaclone. Have you perhaps modified your SYNC_REPO env variable?
12:25 Viktor_ siriom You have the general list and perhaps the devlist accessible from[…]ha-mailing-lists/ Just sign up and ask away. Then you’re not as dependent on catching the eye of someone at the right moment. Best of luck
12:25 AndrewIsh Viktor_:[…]content-sync_repo
12:26 Viktor_ AndrewIsh Thanks! Actually I haven’t touched SUNC_REPO. Only configured my name, email and bz login.
12:27 Viktor_ AndrewIsh Then SSH and used pico to edit (changed the ”Home” bredcrumb on a new branch just to see that it worked).
12:29 AndrewIsh Viktor_:  Interesting. I'm not sure then, that's a weird one. Sorry!
12:31 siriom signing up to the mailing list then 1 sec
12:31 Viktor_ Thanks for the help AndrewIsh - Have the feeling it’s something really obvious that will make me embarresed when I figure it out :)
12:32 * cait waves at Viktor_
12:32 cait nice to see you around :)
12:34 cait Viktor_: are you using plack or memcached?
12:34 cait restating those might make it work
12:34 cait also: are you looking at the english templates? (one of my errors often...)
12:35 Viktor_ Hi cait Nice to see you too!
12:36 Viktor_ Don’t know actually - I’m using what’s default in kohadevbox :) But you are right - it feels like a caching problem (since there is only ”en” installed)
12:36 cait we missed you
12:37 Viktor_ cait It’s nice to be back! But also very nice to see swedish libraries taking charge and establishing a network that’s now very active.
12:37 magnuse ah, looking at the swedish templates was my first guess
12:37 magnuse try "sudo service memcached restart"?
12:38 magnuse are you looking at koha from the right port?
12:38 magnuse the output that you get from "vagrant up" will say how ports are set up
12:39 magnuse often opac on 2200 and intranet on 8081, i think
12:39 Viktor_ magnuse I tried ”sudo service memcached restart”. No output and no difference.
12:39 magnuse pr opac on 2201, maybe
12:39 magnuse s/pr/or/
12:40 Viktor_ Hm. It gives me some Opac on 8080
12:40 Viktor_ Not sure it’s the right one though :) Will have to look at the output.
12:40 magnuse yeah, scroll back through the output from "vagrant up"
12:41 Viktor_ Saw that kohadevbox got a new version the other day so thought I’d give it a try. Very nice actually.
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12:41 magnuse yeah, tcohen and others have really pushed it along
12:43 druthb magnuse!
12:43 wahanui magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
12:43 magnuse druthb!
12:43 wahanui hmmm... druthb is an amazing person
12:44 * druthb gives wahanui the evil eye.
12:44 magnuse or, "the nominee", as we like to call her
12:44 * druthb gives magnuse the evil eye, too
12:44 Viktor_ But at least I’m not making any really obvious mistakes then. Ports seems to be correct (8080 opac, 8081 intra)
12:47 magnuse hm, let me check what mine sets up
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12:49 pastebot "magnuse" at pasted "vagrant up" (23 lines) at
12:50 magnuse Viktor_: the two interesting lines are "80 (guest) => 2201 (host) (adapter 1)"
12:50 magnuse and "8080 (guest) => 8081 (host) (adapter 1)"
12:50 cait hm mine works on 8080 and 8081
12:51 Viktor_ magnuse Thanks. I do get the opac at 8080
12:51 magnuse weird, then :-)
12:51 magnuse i do not have an uptodate kohadevbox
12:51 magnuse maybe things were changed
12:51 Viktor_ I’m trying to break the intranet instead and we’ll se if something happens.
12:52 magnuse try "wget localhost" inside the devbox and see if you see the changes there?
12:54 Viktor_ magnuse Smart - and no I didn’t!
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13:00 magnuse ah, interesting
13:01 magnuse you're sure you saved your edit? ;-)
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13:01 Viktor_ It’s there when I open it again, and the files lists as modified by ”git status”. So I hope so :)
13:03 Viktor_ Is there a way to restart plack in kohadevbox (if it’s active). I tried koha restart —plack as the Debian packages suggest but it’s an unknown command.
13:03 rsantellan Viktor_: try with sudo koha-plack
13:04 magnuse sudo koha-plack --restart kohadev
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13:05 Viktor_ rsantellan magnuse YAY!!!!
13:05 Viktor_ I literally jumped and hit my hand on the roof just now :)
13:06 magnuse lol
13:06 Viktor_ Best day at work for a long time - thanks a lot!
13:07 rsantellan jajaja :)
13:07 magnuse jätteskönt!
13:08 Viktor_ Might go home early now before anything breaks again ;)
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14:29 * magnuse calls it a day - have fun #koha!
14:29 magnuse oh and bag++ khall++
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14:34 pastebot "drojf" at pasted "16.11 upgrade mysql error" (7 lines) at
14:34 drojf asking again, should i be concerned about this? ^
14:34 drojf there will be a few thousand people asking about it soon
14:39 eythian error 150 is a very annoying one to diagnose
14:39 eythian I've seen it a bit, with no real understanding of what was happening.
14:39 eythian but, you may well see a fair bit of it.
14:40 eythian I think it often means that making this change would break a foreign constraint, or something like that
14:40 rsantellan it could mean that or that the default values of the field is incorrect
14:41 rsantellan the best thing to do is separate the alter column and the fk creation
14:44 AndrewIsh anyone who's up to speed on Koha::Objects around? i'm trying to call ->get_column() on the return of a Koha::Items->search() call. i'm getting undef returned. looking at the AUTOLOAD sub for Koha/, i can see that get_column is one of the whitelisted methods
14:45 drojf i added it to bug 17216. i will not release a package before i get an answer :P
14:45 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=17216 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Add a new table to store authorized value categories
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14:52 oleonard Hi barton
14:52 oleonard A belated Happy Birthday to you
14:53 barton ah, thanks!
14:55 Joubu AndrewIsh: get_column should be called on a Koha::Object, not a set, right?
14:55 barton <= the 'Day after the birthday' song.
14:57 barton which spookily was the first suggestion by youtube when I started looking up Paul Simon.
14:57 oleonard Youtube knows.
14:57 AndrewIsh Joubu:  i wanting to call it on the Koha::Objects set, to get all values from a column, as in: my @barcodes = $results->get_column('barcode')->all;
14:58 barton ... it's coincidence when it comes on the radio the day after your birthday when you're making a long distance drive for thanksgiving...
14:58 oleonard Where you headed?
14:58 AndrewIsh Joubu:  it's not a whitelisted method on Koha::Objects
14:59 Joubu AndrewIsh: yes, so you need to provide tests
14:59 barton oh, that happened to me 20 years ago. I was headed for St. Louis.
14:59 khall drojf: I haven't been able to trigger that error you are getting : \
15:00 AndrewIsh Joubu:  yes, so i gather from @ashimema, i just wanted to check i wasn't missing something ;-)
15:00 Joubu nope, it's the way to go, you are just the first one to need it :)
15:00 AndrewIsh Joubu:  huzzah!
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15:01 Joubu AndrewIsh: it's preferable to whitelist it on a separate bug
15:01 drojf khall: got it on two upgrades from 16.05 :/
15:01 AndrewIsh Joubu:  yep, makes sense
15:03 khall drojf: ack!
15:03 khall Joubu: did you see what drojf posted? I can't get the error to happen : \
15:03 Joubu drojf: I will be on it soon
15:03 Joubu khall: ^ :)
15:04 khall thanks Joubu!
15:04 drojf thanks Joubu and khall
15:05 LibraryClaire gotta run - literally
15:05 LibraryClaire laters #koha
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15:11 Joubu drojf: how do you get this error?
15:12 drojf Joubu: by upgrading a 16.05 package install to 16.11
15:12 Joubu So I should get it updating an old DB, right?
15:12 drojf yes
15:12 Joubu let me test
15:12 drojf i have not tried a new install. but i got this on two different systems
15:15 Joubu drojf: ok don't get it, but I know what I think
15:16 Joubu It cannot add the constraint on marc_subfield_structure
15:17 Joubu select count(*) from marc_subfield_structure where authorised_value not in (select distinct(authorised_value) from authorised_value_categories)
15:17 Joubu drojf: ^
15:19 Joubu 13171             UPDATE marc_subfield_structure SET authorised_value = NULL WHERE authorised_value = ';';
15:19 Joubu this looks definitely wrong
15:19 Joubu ='' instead of =';'
15:21 drojf sorry grabbed a coffee
15:21 Joubu f**** nopaste vi mode
15:21 Joubu I guess you have some marc_subfield_structure.authorised_value="" which have not been set to NULL
15:21 Joubu because of the wrong query
15:21 drojf i get 0 for that select query. in case you wanted me to run it
15:22 Joubu and can you retry the whole upgrade after modiying l. 13171 with WHERE authorised_value = ""; # instead of =";"
15:23 Joubu =';';
15:23 Joubu well, you got it
15:23 drojf ah yes that looks odd
15:29 Joubu drojf, khall: I have attached a followup on 17216, I am 99% sure it comes from this typo, but I'd like to get drojf confirmation because to see it pushed
15:30 Joubu s/because/before
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15:31 drojf Joubu: can't roll back the whole db atm to try, but running it manually makes the update affect 23646 rows instead of 0
15:31 drojf which i guess is a good thing ;)
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15:35 Joubu drojf: and so you should be able to add the FK
15:38 khall thanks Joubu!
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15:48 drojf Joubu: makes sense. i'll roll a package with it and leave feedback on the bug. thanks!
15:57 bag morning
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17:12 reiveune bye
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17:44 jc_ Hi, my library is using Koha 3.18, and i'm just wondering if newer versions have the tag 264 included yet
17:53 cait jc_: you can catalog using 264 and it will be searchable and show up in the result lst and on the detail pages
17:59 cait kf
17:59 jc_ cait: but it's not in the marc framework?
18:00 cait i am not sure 3.18 can do all that yet
18:00 cait it's old by now
18:00 cait 16.11 was released yesterday -  3.20, 2.22, 16.05, 16.11 - 2 years
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19:21 rangi morning
19:23 drojf hi rangi
19:26 oleonard Hi rangi
19:38 LibraryClaire hi rangi
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20:47 wizzyrea @later tell joubu I don't routinely manage that but I will have a look. Hopefully someone else has sorted you out by now.
20:47 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
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22:16 drojf evening
22:16 bag afternoon
22:16 wahanui afternoon is good
22:18 * cait waves
22:18 drojf hi bag and cait
22:21 drojf hmpf the nightly build server ran out of disk space. apparently upgrading two pbuilder images to jessie made the difference. lol
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22:42 wizzyrea rangi++ for fixing the 16.11 download links
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22:59 wizzyrea @later tell joubu rangi sorted the download links thanks for pointing out that problem
22:59 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
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23:32 wizzyrea this page on the website, I poked it and out came an entire hive of bees.
23:33 drojf wizzyrea: that's how the web works
23:33 * wizzyrea cries
23:34 dcook O_O
23:34 dcook Thanks for your email drojf :)
23:34 dcook Bees are one of the few things that I just... nope
23:34 dcook I can handle snakes more than bees
23:35 dcook Spiders more than bees
23:35 drojf you can have all the spiders
23:35 drojf bees are nice!
23:35 drojf unless you poke and stuff :D
23:35 dcook hehe
23:35 dcook Honey is pretty great
23:36 dcook And bees do sound nice
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23:37 drojf i am not sure but i think i am quite happy that spiders don't have a sound
23:37 cait bees are prettier than spiders
23:37 dcook drojf: I was just thinking about that
23:38 * dcook doesn't miss finding spiders in his towels after showers in Vancouver..
23:38 dcook Or walking into spider webs in the garden at my old place...
23:38 dcook Spider web in the face in Australia is a bit terrifying
23:39 drojf a friend of mine has been to australia and nope
23:39 drojf not going there
23:39 drojf ever
23:39 drojf :D
23:40 drojf "this picture shows 75187 spiders, but they are not that huge and usually stay on their corners"
23:40 drojf *in
23:41 dcook hehe
23:41 dcook It's actually not that bad overall
23:41 dcook I think I've only seen maybe two deadly spiders, and they stayed in their corners indeed
23:41 dcook Neither was in my house either
23:41 dcook I've seen more pretty birds than deadly things : )
23:41 dcook Of course, I'm a city dweller >_>
23:42 dcook Oh, we also have deadly crocadiles
23:42 dcook[…]staying-safe.html
23:42 dcook "Bringing a boat? Saltwater crocodiles can attack people in boats - the smaller the boat the greater the risk. - See more at:[…]-safe.html#sthash.yRXrMOSJ.dpuf"
23:43 drojf so you walk around and think "oh look there is that crazy huge spider but i know it is not deadly so i don't care at all"?
23:43 dcook Pretty much
23:43 dcook The bigger the spider, the nicer they probably are
23:43 dcook The little ones are the really awful ones I think
23:43 drojf i live in an area where spiders are just disgusting for being spiders, i don't expect anything to be deadly, but it creeps me out  :P
23:43 dcook So if I see a big one, I encourage it to eat all the bugs :3
23:43 dcook Yeah, that was me in Canada
23:43 dcook I think the only deadly things there are bears, wolves, cougars, and moose
23:44 dcook Not that you usually have to worry about moose
23:44 dcook Well deer can be deadly too... people think they're so cute
23:44 dcook But a big buck could destroy a human
23:44 dcook Actually, I think even the deadly Australian spiders haven't killed anyone in decades
23:44 dcook Although a little girl was killed by a snake a few months ago I think :(
23:45 drojf i blame spiders
23:45 dcook February
23:45 dcook "The Eastern brown snake is responsible for around 60% of deaths caused by snakebite in Australia." O_O
23:45 dcook But really it's not that bad. When I moved here, I figured most people don't die from spiders and snakes, so I'll probably be fine
23:45 dcook Oh, we also have sharks..
23:46 dcook Sharks, snakes, spiders
23:46 drojf not sure if i want to know the numbers of *weirdanimal*-bites in general
23:46 dcook hehe
23:46 dcook Probably not
23:46 dcook In Canada, I used to think that we pretended that it wasn't insanely cold outside
23:46 dcook In Australia, I think we pretend that it's not insanely dangerous in some areas
23:46 drojf cold > spiders
23:47 * dcook thumbs up
23:47 drojf in fact, cold kills spiders
23:47 dcook I do miss how there were no bugs in the cold
23:47 drojf unless, very furry spiders
23:47 dcook hehe
23:47 dcook Spiders in parkas..
23:47 drojf lol
23:47 jcamins drojf: mutant ice spiders are more dangerous than other spiders.
23:48 jcamins They're found only in Canada.
23:48 jcamins Ask anyone.
23:48 drojf thanks jcamins very helpful reminder. i think i might just stay up for a little longer to forget about that picture before i start dreaming
23:48 jcamins You're welcome!
23:48 jcamins :D
23:48 jcamins Now, here's a question: where are my cocoa nibs?
23:49 drojf you know that there is no possible answer that does not involve the belly of a spider at this point
23:50 cait ew
23:50 cait where did the bees go?
23:51 dcook sorry :p
23:54 dcook For all Google's money and power, they sure make it hard to give useful feedback for bugs..
23:55 jcamins Here's the problem: I'm not sure I have any cacao nibs.
23:55 dcook jcamins: That's probably where they are then
23:58 jcamins dcook: no, I'm not saying "I don't think I have any cacao nibs," I'm saying "I have absolutely no idea whether I have cacao nibs."
23:58 jcamins I found charoli.
23:58 Francesca joined #koha
23:59 jcamins Ha! I did have!
23:59 jcamins And I found them.

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