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Joann |
hi there. |
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Joann |
Jo here from a Malaysian meeting. |
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rangi |
heya Joann |
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rangi |
how's it going? |
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Joann |
we have a question about scalability; using one koha for a big consortia |
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rangi |
yep |
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Joann |
can you remember the metrcs for turkey? |
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rangi |
1132 libraries |
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rangi |
i think 10ish servers in the cluster |
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rangi |
you can watch the talk |
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rangi |
2 secs |
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rangi |
http://www.livemedia.com/video/238239 |
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rangi |
there is a link to his slides there too |
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rangi |
ill just quickly jump through |
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rangi |
page 34 of the pdf |
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rangi |
has the infrastructure |
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rangi |
page 31 has the numbers of libraries etc |
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Joann |
thanks chirs |
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Joann |
chris:Koha supports FRBR and RDA aya |
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rangi |
RDA yes |
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rangi |
FRBR partially |
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rangi |
you can't really do FRBR with MARC |
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rangi |
its all faking it |
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dcook |
^ |
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dcook |
I keep meaning to ask questions about the Turkey set up but I keep forgetting what they are... |
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dcook |
Oh, rangi, this is just me being lazy... but are they all connected? |
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rangi |
its one koha |
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dcook |
As in... there are 1132 branches? |
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dcook |
Wow.. |
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dcook |
That would make for some interesting drop down menus |
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Joann |
I need a dmo site that can searcjh across electrob=nic resources and print |
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Joann |
niwa? |
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rangi |
yep |
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rangi |
https://library.niwa.co.nz/ |
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rangi |
thats searching across ebsco and koha |
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rangi |
but koha doesnt care know about print vs electronic |
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rangi |
you catalogue whatever |
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rangi |
hell i put pokemon in |
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rangi |
so theres nothing special about electroni |
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rangi |
c |
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rangi |
what niwa is doing is searching stuff that the library don't hold/catalogue |
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rangi |
the fact its electronic is incidental (if that makes sense) |
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Joann |
deep linking |
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Joann |
ie does koha search deep into the items? |
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rangi |
no |
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rangi |
well it does if you catalogue deep into the items |
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dcook |
deep might be a bit vague |
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rangi |
are they talking about the ebsco stuff? |
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rangi |
because that's ebsco's search doing that |
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rangi |
who knows what it is doing :) |
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rangi |
but koha searches your catalogue records, it doesnt go downloading stuff and fulltext indexing it (because that gives hideous results for a start) |
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rangi |
its not a document management system |
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dcook |
Yeah, EBSCO owns content, so they can full-text index it. |
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dcook |
But Koha just has metadata records. Not the actual data those metadata records describe. |
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dcook |
People sometimes try to cheat by copy/pasting into some of the 500 fields, but... that's not a good idea. |
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dcook |
Although in the case of tables of contents, that's OK |
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dcook |
That's part of MARC and AACR2 I think |
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rangi |
people think they want full text, until they actually try and find something |
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dcook |
Truth.. |
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dcook |
I'd love to see people doing more targeted indexing tbh. |
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dcook |
Like... having an awareness of what fields get indexed, crafting indexes that make sense for their collection and users' search behaviours |
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Joann |
ok - thansk so much for your help. |
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Joann |
its done now |
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rangi |
cool |
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Joann |
these people are so lovely; i hope they get involved on the community |
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dcook |
community++ |
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dcook |
TFW your hands feel so cold that you're not sure you can still type :p |
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dcook |
khall, are you actually there? |
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dcook |
Nvm, commented on Bugzilla :) |
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morning #koha |
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cait |
good morning #koha |
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cait |
irc meeting in 5 minutes! |
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morning |
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sprays coffee at everyone |
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shields himself with a mug, sips quietly |
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cait |
wow kidclamp! |
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wahanui |
kidclamp is the vm savior today! |
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yeah, it's early, but I made it |
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cait |
ok |
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cait |
let's start :) |
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cait |
#startmeeting Development IRC meeting 24 August 2016 |
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huginn |
Meeting started Wed Aug 24 07:01:34 2016 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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huginn |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
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Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 24 August 2016) |
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huginn |
The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_24_august_2016' |
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cait |
#topic Introductions |
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Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 24 August 2016) |
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wahanui |
#info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
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cait |
please introduce yourself with #info following wahanui's example |
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cait |
today's agenda is at |
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cait |
#link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ng_24_August_2016 |
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drojf |
#info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany |
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cait |
#info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
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kidclamp |
#info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
that's too easy |
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Joubu |
#info Jonathan Druart |
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cait |
Europe should be more awake :) |
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cait |
can we shake some more people awake? |
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khall |
#info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions |
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cait |
hm ok |
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cait |
let's moveon, maybe we have some people oversleeping |
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cait |
#topic Announcements |
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Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 24 August 2016) |
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cait |
any announcements? |
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cait |
maybe a quick question fromme |
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cait |
shoudl we try for another GBSD? |
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Joubu |
yes |
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cait |
i am not sure if people are still holidaying much everywhere |
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cait |
but mabe in 1-2 weeks |
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drojf |
don't have time for gbsd but in general, yes |
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tcohen |
#info Tomas Cohen Arazi |
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kidclamp |
yes |
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cait |
any preferences on a day? |
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khall |
can't hurt! |
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cait |
maybe friday 9th September? |
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khall |
maybe a friday? |
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kidclamp |
I like Fridays |
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tcohen |
friday |
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cait |
can we agree on the one in 2 weeks? |
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cait |
:) |
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tcohen |
+1 |
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kidclamp |
+1 |
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drojf |
i think there is a caffeine hackathon in berlin that day ;) |
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reiveune |
hello |
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wahanui |
hey, reiveune |
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cait |
#agreed Friday, 9 September will be GBSD = Global Bug Squashing Day |
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cait |
#action cait to update wiki and send info about GBSD to the mailing list |
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cait |
moving on? |
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cait |
#topic Review of coding guidelines |
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Topic for #koha is now Review of coding guidelines (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 24 August 2016) |
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cait |
no suggestions have been made |
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cait |
is there something people want to discuss? |
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cait |
i will take the quiet as a clue to move on |
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tcohen |
I would like to mention |
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cait |
ah |
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fridolin |
hie |
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tcohen |
I've been looking at REST-related patches the last couple days |
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tcohen |
and while not finished, there will be need for coding guidelines for the swagger files |
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cait |
#info tcohen is working on the REST-related patches and suggests adding coding guidelines for the swagger files |
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tcohen |
maybe this should be discussed on another meeting of course |
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cait |
can you detail a bit? |
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cait |
like give an example? |
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tcohen |
i'm abit asleep still |
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tcohen |
the original swagger file was about to get bigger and bigger |
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cait |
ok, so maybe we shoud just keep it in mind and add to next meeting? |
| 07:12 |
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khall |
tcohen: that's ok, I think kidclamp and I are too ; ) |
| 07:12 |
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tcohen |
and there are patches on the queue that propose splitting |
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tcohen |
the file into pieces |
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tcohen |
I like the schema they are proposing |
| 07:12 |
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tcohen |
but as there hasn't been much attention on them |
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kidclamp |
bug 15126 |
| 07:12 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15126 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , RESTÂ API: Use newer version of Swagger2 |
| 07:12 |
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tcohen |
I'd like to promote it to a dev meeting |
| 07:12 |
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kidclamp |
bug 16699 |
| 07:12 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16699 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Swagger: Split parameters and paths, and specify required permissions for resource |
| 07:13 |
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tcohen |
so people can give their opinions |
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cait |
maybe good to send to the mailing list too before the next meeting |
| 07:13 |
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cait |
so people get time to look into it |
| 07:13 |
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tcohen |
good idea, I can send that email |
| 07:14 |
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cait |
#action tcohen to send an email to the list about 'splitting the swagger files' - bug 16699 |
| 07:14 |
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cait |
ok, let's move on - more REST |
| 07:14 |
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tcohen |
yeah, I need to REST :-P |
| 07:15 |
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cait |
#topic General development discussion |
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Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 24 August 2016) |
| 07:15 |
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cait |
hope people are not grumpy with me - I added questions about 2 topics I have stumbled on/being thinking about |
| 07:16 |
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cait |
so the first is: Is the REST API optional or mandatory (when you install Koha) |
| 07:16 |
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cait |
triggered was this by kidclamp's patch on bug 8030 |
| 07:16 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8030 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Change pickup location of a hold from patron record |
| 07:16 |
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cait |
and the fact that it was not working for me - as my REST stuff doesn't appear to be configured correctly yet |
| 07:16 |
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cait |
is there a general consensus about this kind of patch that we shoudl be using the API in the GUI already? |
| 07:17 |
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cait |
and if we do that, is it production ready? (secure, installs nicely, etc)? |
| 07:17 |
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cait |
one thing i noticed is that mojo etc. is still optional in PerlDependencies.pm |
| 07:17 |
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tcohen |
the REST api code has been deployed into users' installs since it was introduced |
| 07:18 |
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tcohen |
the original patches enabled it only on tarball/git installs |
| 07:18 |
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tcohen |
because the package's apache configuration files hadn't been tweaked |
| 07:19 |
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* tcohen |
re-reads the questions |
| 07:20 |
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drojf |
cait: what reasons could there be to keep it optional? |
| 07:20 |
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drojf |
(as far as it is tested, secure etc) |
| 07:20 |
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cait |
if it doesn't install well out of the box - it's not documented to activate (woudl be one reason for me) |
| 07:20 |
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Joubu |
if it's not ready yet |
| 07:20 |
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cait |
becuase the patch from kidclamp will put it in the middle of Koha so people will stumble upon it if it doesn't work :) |
| 07:20 |
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fredericd |
#info Frédéric Demians |
| 07:20 |
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khall |
cait: imo it's ready and necessary |
| 07:20 |
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cait |
or if there are security concerns - like permission problems |
| 07:21 |
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khall |
with a few more tweaks |
| 07:21 |
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cait |
i am not against it - hope that's clear |
| 07:21 |
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cait |
i'd just like us to be on the same page |
| 07:21 |
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Joubu |
The problem we have is that it's not ready yet and we'd like to use it from Koha |
| 07:21 |
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cait |
and look out for potential problems in production use |
| 07:21 |
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cait |
like fixing PerlDependencies etc. |
| 07:22 |
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cait |
ok, 2 different opinions |
| 07:22 |
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cait |
Joubu: can you tell what's missing in your eyes right now? |
| 07:22 |
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drojf |
FYI i have reverted bug 17030 from 16.05.03 for the debian package, because we lacked permission settings and it (if i got it right) allowed holds to be placed by everyone |
| 07:22 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17030 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , Configure the REST api on packages install |
| 07:22 |
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cait |
one more questio maybe woudl be about backporting REST API work to the stable releases atm |
| 07:22 |
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Joubu |
I have no idea, just repeating what I heard |
| 07:22 |
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cait |
if we say we will have it ready for 16.11 - but atm things are changing too much or so |
| 07:23 |
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Joubu |
but permission is a blocker |
| 07:23 |
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cait |
it's a mighty API.. which is cool, but also has me a little worried |
| 07:23 |
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cait |
:) |
| 07:23 |
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kidclamp |
bug 14868 |
| 07:23 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14868 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, larit, Needs Signoff , REST API: Swagger2-driven permission checking |
| 07:23 |
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tcohen |
I have an idea of what is missing |
| 07:24 |
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tcohen |
some love :-D |
| 07:24 |
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khall |
tcohen: can you summarize? |
| 07:24 |
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khall |
; ) |
| 07:24 |
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drojf |
lol |
| 07:24 |
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tcohen |
a simple search for REST on BZ |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
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tcohen |
will show that people have invested lots of time in two things |
| 07:25 |
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tcohen |
1) create a good basis for defining endpoints and handling permissions seemlessly, using state-of-the-art technologies |
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tcohen |
I'm talking about having the API fully documented with a Swagger 2.0 spec |
| 07:25 |
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tcohen |
and the bug kidclamp mentioned |
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tcohen |
is the most important piece |
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Joubu |
IMO we need a list of people willing to be involved in the maintenance of the REST API |
| 07:26 |
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tcohen |
2) there are lots of bugs introducing new endpoints |
| 07:26 |
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cait |
#info lots of REST related patches on bugzilla, focusing mostly on 2 things: 1) permission handling and documentation, 2) adding new endpoints |
| 07:26 |
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tcohen |
from a first look, we can notice people are writing endpoints so the UI can be fully rendered using the REST api |
| 07:27 |
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tcohen |
"need a dropdown with the list of branches? here's an endpoint" |
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tcohen |
etc |
| 07:27 |
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khall |
api devs++ |
| 07:27 |
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cait |
the problem is we need people testing them - and we shoudl be careful about permissions/prefs taken into account/terminology :) |
| 07:27 |
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kidclamp |
Joubu: why do we need a specific list for maintaining this above other things? |
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tcohen |
cait: I agree |
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cait |
kidclamp: i think he meant people dedicated to look after it |
| 07:28 |
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Joubu |
currently there are patches, but just few people are involved |
| 07:28 |
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cait |
the patches get stuck right now - not a lot of experts |
| 07:28 |
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Joubu |
I'd like to know who is going to write/test/qa these patches |
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Joubu |
and who will fix bugs |
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cait |
I don't feel ready to test/qa - I'd like to learn - either online sometime or maybe in marseille |
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drojf |
somebody should do a dev intro in marseille |
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drojf |
volunteers? :P |
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tcohen |
I'd like to clarify something |
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Joubu |
(I've asked the same question on the ML but did not get answer from the involved people) |
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tcohen |
most functionality comes from the Koha::* classes |
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tcohen |
the mighty REST api is just a layer on top of that |
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tcohen |
routing calls to the right classes |
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Joubu |
s/is/must be |
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khall |
agreed! |
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tcohen |
which now has a rudimentary permission layer |
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tcohen |
which is about to get steroids with bug |
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tcohen |
bug 14868 |
| 07:31 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14868 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, larit, Needs Signoff , REST API: Swagger2-driven permission checking |
| 07:32 |
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tcohen |
what the guys do in that patches |
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tcohen |
is letting us declare the needed permissions, on the swagger file |
| 07:33 |
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tcohen |
so the API now will also provide more documentation, and a permission check schema |
| 07:33 |
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tcohen |
that makes code simpler too |
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tcohen |
I think we definitely need a workshop on this |
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kidclamp |
so for now we need people leading, but should be community maintainable without difficulty is what I hear tcohen |
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tcohen |
we need to make interested parties get involved |
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tcohen |
i'm not sure why they aren't |
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tcohen |
but I don't see the REST api as a complicated piece of code |
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tcohen |
maybe the V1.pm could get complicated with the permission checking layer |
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tcohen |
but look at this |
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tcohen |
http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4aa0782e8;hb=HEAD |
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tcohen |
if you remove the permission checking from that code |
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tcohen |
(because it is moved somewhere else by the mentioned patch) |
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tcohen |
you just have a couple calls to Koha::* libs |
| 07:39 |
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cait |
could it be a good idea to say no backports for now until we have sorted those base patches? |
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khall |
that is just lovely ; ) |
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tcohen |
even the permission check lines are… what you'd expect |
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Joubu |
I'd even say no push to master |
| 07:40 |
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cait |
hm why not? |
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khall |
um, how do you propose we handle it then Joubu? |
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Joubu |
I meant to push of patches using the REST API |
| 07:41 |
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Joubu |
no the patches of the REST API |
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khall |
Joubu: I understand now, you mean don't push new endpoint patches until we get these mechanics fixing patches in place, right? |
| 07:41 |
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kidclamp |
block them with 14868, they all depend on that and can't be pushed until after |
| 07:42 |
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tcohen |
I agree we need some level of completeness before we make the decision to allow the REST to be used from the UI |
| 07:42 |
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Joubu |
I was thinking about bug 8030 (sorry kidclamp) |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8030 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Change pickup location of a hold from patron record |
| 07:42 |
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tcohen |
Joubu refers to patches that USE the endpoints |
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kidclamp |
that was what I meant, make it depends on the necessary infrastrcuture bugs |
| 07:43 |
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khall |
yes, that's sensible |
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cait |
cool |
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Joubu |
tcohen: since you looked at the patch deeper than me, could you send an email to summarise the situation? |
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tcohen |
alright |
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cait |
#idea don't backport REST API patches atm, until infrastructure is sorted out |
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tcohen |
I think I already volunteered for that |
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cait |
#idea make new patches using REST in the GUI depend on the infrastructure bugs, especially bug 14868 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14868 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, larit, Needs Signoff , REST API: Swagger2-driven permission checking |
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* cait |
is glad about the discussion |
| 07:45 |
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tcohen |
I think only 16.05 has got the REST api on packages |
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tcohen |
and fredericd is aware of the issues that prevent it to be enabled by default |
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cait |
can i add another question? |
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drojf |
if 14868 is not backported to 16.05 i think 17030 should be reverted |
| 07:47 |
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drojf |
fredericd: what do you think? |
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cait |
I taked to fredericd yesterday about the pending bad fines bug |
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tcohen |
that's fredericd's call, but yes |
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cait |
he said maybe he could do an additional earlier release |
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cait |
once we got that in |
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cait |
we coudl also use it to fix that |
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fredericd |
I agree with drojf. 17030 should be reverted |
| 07:48 |
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fredericd |
From now, I will skip any REST related patch |
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tcohen |
fredericd: we could patch /holds too |
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tcohen |
but it seems the real solution is so close :-D |
| 07:51 |
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tcohen |
I wrote a POC for bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=16815 |
| 07:51 |
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huginn |
Bug 16815: critical, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, ASSIGNED , API routes to list, create, update, delete holds need permissions |
| 07:53 |
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fredericd |
Without modifying Apache conf, is it possible to exploit hold security flaw? |
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tcohen |
the /api endpoint shouldn't be available without tweaking the apache files |
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drojf |
there is no way to reach the api if it's not in apache |
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cait |
hm with a package install probably? tcohen? |
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drojf |
(i hope) |
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cait |
i thought it auto-activated |
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cait |
on 16.05? |
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drojf |
cait: i reverted 17030 before i built the package. so no |
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fredericd |
reverting 7030 will fix that in 16.05 |
| 07:54 |
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cait |
ah ok |
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cait |
bug 17030 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17030 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , Configure the REST api on packages install |
| 07:54 |
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cait |
i thought that was in - so that's where i got confused |
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drojf |
thanks to tcohen for pointing that out btw |
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fredericd |
tcohen++ |
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eythian |
hi |
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tcohen |
hi eythian |
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cait |
ok, another question from me? :) |
| 07:56 |
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tcohen |
yes |
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cait |
one of the patches, i will find the bug in a moment, adds the ability to see your own checkouts/renew your own mateirals |
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cait |
this doesn't require any permission |
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cait |
so if the api is there, anyone can use it - without the library knowing |
| 07:57 |
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cait |
it gives me a bit of a headache to be honest - i'd like to know how others see it |
| 07:57 |
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eythian |
sounds like an awful idea |
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cait |
that's my feeling, but so far i feel a bit lonely/paranoid .) |
| 07:58 |
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cait |
i'd like it better if you coud get for aexample an api key |
| 07:58 |
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cait |
that the library can revoke |
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tcohen |
cait: if I understand correctly |
| 07:58 |
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tcohen |
you mean that there's a bug proposing a REST endpoint, which implements it wrong? |
| 07:58 |
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cait |
bug 13895 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13895 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Add API routes for checkouts retrieval and renewal |
| 07:58 |
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khall |
cait: it should require either 1) your login has the necessary permissions to view / modify checkouts or 2) the checkouts are your own ( for viewing ) |
| 07:58 |
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cait |
it requires a login |
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cait |
but you can't control use |
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cait |
it mimicks what you can do with an opac access |
| 07:59 |
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eythian |
ah |
| 07:59 |
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eythian |
not so awful then |
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tcohen |
if you can do it in the OPAC right now, there's no difference |
| 07:59 |
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cait |
but for me... API is a different level of complexitiy |
| 08:00 |
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cait |
there is also ths bit as part of the big patch: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]ment.cgi?id=54766 |
| 08:00 |
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khall |
cait: why do you think that? Giving patrons the ability to access their data via the api is a *good* thing! |
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tcohen |
cait: suppose you have a button in the OPAC, which allows logged users to renew stuff |
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cait |
fully automated access... not seeing any hints the library might have added - maybe getting around limitations only implemented in the templates... |
| 08:01 |
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tcohen |
anyone can point the browser to the .pl with the right arguments |
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drojf |
if they are only in the templates then that is a bug now |
| 08:01 |
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cait |
true |
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tcohen |
and renew their stuff without using 'our' button |
| 08:01 |
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drojf |
if we want to have an API |
| 08:01 |
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drojf |
or we can't have one :P |
| 08:02 |
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tcohen |
the API is just a way to organize things |
| 08:02 |
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kidclamp |
if your patrons are bold enough to research and use the API directly you should get them signing off on bugs :-) |
| 08:02 |
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drojf |
heh |
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tcohen |
hahaha |
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cait |
ok, so paranoid :) |
| 08:03 |
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tcohen |
we should have good logging facilities |
| 08:03 |
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khall |
even better, it means that Koha can be integrated into other apps |
| 08:03 |
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tcohen |
for example, we could have a special 'api' interface |
| 08:03 |
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cait |
other sofware seem to require something like an api key - so youwould know hwo uses your api |
| 08:03 |
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khall |
tcohen: good idea |
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drojf |
folio will be so happy |
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drojf |
:P |
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drojf |
or, ebsco |
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tcohen |
or my customer's student's management system |
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khall |
drojf: good point, the api will make folio integration much simpler |
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* ashimema_ |
hints at OAUth |
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ashimema_ |
OAuth.. even |
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khall |
lol |
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ashimema_ |
that's it's entire reason for being |
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tcohen |
cait: the api-key stuff if for system<->system integration |
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tcohen |
right now, the API only implements cookie-based auth |
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* ashimema |
disappears again before he slates our api implementation ;) |
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kidclamp |
I think cait in the end patrons shouldn't be able to do anything via API they can't do via the opac, so it shouldn't be any different |
| 08:06 |
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tcohen |
with the same restrictions |
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cait |
ok |
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cait |
i will log that :) |
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tcohen |
that's why it is important that people get involved |
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tcohen |
people that know Koha a lot |
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tcohen |
can I give another example |
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ashimema |
proper access control would take into account.. who's data your trying to chance, who's trying to change it and what application is doing the change on behalf of the person |
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drojf |
tcohen: doing the workshop in marseille? :P |
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cait |
#info patrons will be able to use the REST API to do, what they can do in the OPAC, but not more |
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cait |
#chair drojf |
| 08:07 |
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huginn |
Current chairs: cait drojf |
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cait |
phone |
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drojf |
err i only had one coffee |
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ashimema |
i.e the cookie or token your using for authentication should include those three details |
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cait |
#chair tcohen |
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huginn |
Current chairs: cait drojf tcohen |
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ashimema |
so for the koha case |
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tcohen |
cait: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]ment.cgi?id=54767 |
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ashimema |
the cookie you get when you log in to the opac says.. |
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ashimema |
I'm person X, using interface 'OPAC'. |
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ashimema |
(which defaults to limiting them to only chaning person x's data and limits them to opac only actions. |
| 08:09 |
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ashimema |
when you login to the staff client the cookie says |
| 08:09 |
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ashimema |
I'm Person X, Using interface 'Staff'.. |
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ashimema |
then any actions you undertake on Person Y may or may not be permissible because your aware of what person c is allowed to do under the 'staff' interface. |
| 08:10 |
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tcohen |
ashimema: we are missing the interface data I think |
| 08:10 |
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drojf |
person x? :P |
| 08:10 |
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ashimema |
in the OAuth world.. your efectively just adding more 'interfaces' and letting the person involved choose what that interface is allowed to do on thier behalf with their login |
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ashimema |
i.e |
| 08:11 |
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ashimema |
Person X logs in to Koha, then grant Interface Z privileges to undate their username. |
| 08:11 |
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ashimema |
When person X then logs into Interface Z, the system knows that all Interface Z is allowed to do is change the username. |
| 08:12 |
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ashimema |
(or rather.. the system knows all that interface Z is allowed to do is change the username).. |
| 08:12 |
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ashimema |
the interface can optionally look that up or not.. |
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drojf |
so a user would allow an android app to log in and show account details. like a twitter app or something |
| 08:12 |
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ashimema |
but form the api security perspective.. Interface Z will never be allowed to do more than change the username |
| 08:12 |
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tcohen |
ashimema: are you attending Marseille? |
| 08:12 |
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ashimema |
I am |
| 08:12 |
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ashimema |
though I still need to book my train and hotel |
| 08:12 |
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tcohen |
so the "workshop" thing is dealed with |
| 08:12 |
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tcohen |
:-P |
| 08:13 |
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ashimema |
? |
| 08:13 |
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tcohen |
you need to talk about REST and Swagger |
| 08:13 |
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ashimema |
haha.. sure |
| 08:13 |
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tcohen |
*dealt* |
| 08:13 |
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tcohen |
cait: are you back? |
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* ashimema |
hints it's changed it's name lately.. it's no longer 'Swagger', it's 'OpenAPI'.. |
| 08:14 |
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tcohen |
yeha, I noticed yesterday |
| 08:14 |
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drojf |
cool, nore confusion |
| 08:14 |
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drojf |
more |
| 08:14 |
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drojf |
are we done with REST discussion? |
| 08:14 |
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tcohen |
I want to clear cait's fears, and encourage her to get involved in reviewing some REST stuff |
| 08:14 |
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ashimema |
ooh.. |
| 08:14 |
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ashimema |
I didn't realise we were in a meeting.. |
| 08:14 |
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ashimema |
apologies for that diversion then ;) |
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drojf |
ashimema: good contributions though |
| 08:15 |
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ashimema |
#info Martin Renvoize - PTFS Europe |
| 08:15 |
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ashimema |
lol |
| 08:15 |
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tcohen |
so I need to explain this https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]ment.cgi?id=54767 |
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* ashimema |
should put meetings in the diary and set alarms.. lots of alarms |
| 08:16 |
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tcohen |
I need a couple hours of sleep |
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drojf |
tcohen: do we wait or do you want to do it later maybe? |
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drojf |
no idea how long she will be on the phone |
| 08:17 |
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* ashimema |
will read that lot probably late this evening.. too much to do today already :( |
| 08:17 |
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tcohen |
i just want to make a point |
| 08:17 |
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tcohen |
anyone can look at that 'swagger' file |
| 08:17 |
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tcohen |
and review permissions that are required for each endpoint/action |
| 08:17 |
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ashimema |
indeed they can |
| 08:17 |
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tcohen |
specially people like cait, that know Koha's business with lots of detail |
| 08:17 |
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ashimema |
that's a good thing in my opinion |
| 08:18 |
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tcohen |
there's no need to engage in the technical part of the problem |
| 08:19 |
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drojf |
#info REST api permissions can be reviewed in file, see https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]ment.cgi?id=54767 |
| 08:19 |
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tcohen |
so, our product owner can review it and with a simple reading and notice issues |
| 08:19 |
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tcohen |
the code of course should respect those definitions hhe |
| 08:20 |
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drojf |
i assume that finishes the api permission part for now? |
| 08:20 |
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* tcohen |
goes to sleep |
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tcohen |
yes |
| 08:20 |
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tcohen |
later #koha |
| 08:20 |
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kidclamp |
bye tcohen |
| 08:20 |
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drojf |
ok. then if there is nothing more for the REST api i would mov eon |
| 08:20 |
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drojf |
night tcohen |
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kidclamp |
agreed |
| 08:20 |
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drojf |
#topic Highlight easy to test bugs for beginners |
| 08:20 |
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Topic for #koha is now Highlight easy to test bugs for beginners (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 24 August 2016) |
| 08:20 |
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drojf |
we had that last time on the agenda and nobody knew what to say about it |
| 08:20 |
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kidclamp |
This was something cait and I discussed a while back |
| 08:20 |
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drojf |
kidclamp: was it yours? |
| 08:21 |
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kidclamp |
yes |
| 08:21 |
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drojf |
ah cool, can you explain |
| 08:21 |
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drojf |
? |
| 08:21 |
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kidclamp |
It seems that often when people want toget involved they want to know easy bugs to sign off/test |
| 08:22 |
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kidclamp |
It would be easy enough to either use the 'Academy' keyword all year round, or have a new keyword tomark beginner bugs |
| 08:22 |
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kidclamp |
complexity is sort of helpful there, but isn't always filled out and sometimes a single patch is complex but depends on complicated things |
| 08:22 |
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drojf |
i think we should use a new one maybe |
| 08:23 |
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khall |
we could also have a "testing complexity" pulldown in addition to "patch complexity" |
| 08:23 |
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drojf |
that sounds nice, but does BZ allow that? |
| 08:23 |
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drojf |
no idea how the config works |
| 08:24 |
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kidclamp |
'testing complexity' is a bit more complicated I think - is it complex to rquire setting up 50 users and branches and checking out a bunch of items, or just tedious :-) |
| 08:24 |
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drojf |
that might be even better than a tag |
| 08:24 |
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khall |
kidclamp: I would just call that tedious ; ) |
| 08:24 |
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drojf |
kidclamp: we should have a sample db that just has a bit of everything |
| 08:24 |
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khall |
digging a ditch is not complex, but it is tedious |
| 08:25 |
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Joubu |
drojf: we have the sandbox DB already |
| 08:25 |
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drojf |
but i agree, it's not compley |
| 08:25 |
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kidclamp |
but asking a volunteer to dig a ditch may not encourage him to return ;-) |
| 08:25 |
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drojf |
Joubu: but they don't have active checkouts and holds and acq data and stuff, do they? |
| 08:26 |
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khall |
ok, first two settings are "Simple" and "Simple but tedious" ; ) |
| 08:26 |
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drojf |
lol |
| 08:26 |
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kidclamp |
I'll support that |
| 08:26 |
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Joubu |
drojf: no indeed |
| 08:26 |
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Joubu |
nobody will test these ones... |
| 08:27 |
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cait |
sorry, reading back now |
| 08:27 |
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drojf |
khall: i would call that… extra…something. making it a good thing people will learn more about koha :P "simple - special experience" |
| 08:27 |
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khall |
drojf: love it! |
| 08:27 |
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kidclamp |
much better |
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drojf |
ok then somebody needs to talk to rangi asking about the testing complexity thing? if that is an option it looks like we all are in favour of it? |
| 08:29 |
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kidclamp |
+1 |
| 08:29 |
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drojf |
#idea instead of a keyword, add "testing complexity" to BZ |
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* cait |
gives up on reading back fast enough |
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kidclamp |
so will developers etc. agree to look for the 'omg complex!' bugs |
| 08:30 |
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cait |
any questions or so? |
| 08:30 |
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drojf |
no |
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cait |
@later tell tcohen - i want to get involved, will you sit down with me to teach the basics? ;) |
| 08:31 |
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khall |
heh |
| 08:31 |
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huginn |
cait: The operation succeeded. |
| 08:31 |
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drojf |
cait: i info'd what tcohen wants you to look at |
| 08:31 |
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drojf |
regarding api permissions |
| 08:31 |
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kidclamp |
because that is one downside to complexity - complex bugs exist and need attention |
| 08:31 |
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kidclamp |
or do we only makr easy ones |
| 08:31 |
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drojf |
kidclamp: the complexity is already there without the label. i think devs know that ;) |
| 08:32 |
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cait |
currently there is lots of scary stuff in needs sign-off |
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khall |
I think another testing complexity setting should be "Needs command line access" |
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cait |
it would be good to get some devs in there for signing off too |
| 08:32 |
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khall |
aka can't be tested in a sandbox |
| 08:32 |
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cait |
so we can make easy ones esier to spot... but we also need people to help out with complex stuff |
| 08:32 |
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drojf |
but it helps newbies if they can find easier ones |
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kidclamp |
"testable on sandbox" as well |
| 08:32 |
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cait |
yep agreed |
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cait |
maybe 'system architecture' |
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cait |
? |
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drojf |
but testable on sandbox and easy or hard are different categories |
| 08:33 |
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drojf |
that should probably be an extra thing |
| 08:33 |
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drojf |
or we will have a lot of options in that box |
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cait |
maybe keywords woudl be easier |
| 08:33 |
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cait |
because you can have multiple |
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kidclamp |
I think don't have 'hard' or 'complex' just mark the simpler ones |
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drojf |
if we want to use the BZ api (eg a sandbox could check for the sandbox tastability), it should be separated |
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drojf |
testability |
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drojf |
tasty too |
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kidclamp |
yummy sand |
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khall |
kidclamp: I'm inclined to agree with you, that's less likely to scare people away from "hard to test" patches |
| 08:35 |
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cait |
sandbox_ready keyword? |
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drojf |
just sandbox |
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drojf |
or nosandbox, like i did with nowheezy |
| 08:36 |
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drojf |
it will be less to tag |
| 08:36 |
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drojf |
i guess |
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kidclamp |
I also wouldn't discourage use of 'Academy' year round still, there are those bugs that are very educational to testers - if we mark one right after academy and it isn't dealt with by next academy, probably still relevant? |
| 08:36 |
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khall |
yeah, I think nosandbox makes the most sense |
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kidclamp |
I would argue the other, mark the sandboxable so you can find those if you use one |
| 08:37 |
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kidclamp |
if you want to use a sandbox unmarked and nosandbox are equal |
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cait |
drojf: will you talk to rangi about adding the keywords? |
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drojf |
khall: nosandbox is something devs would have to add when they add the patch. sandbox could be something people add when actively looking for easy bugs to mark |
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khall |
so should we stick with "Academy" as the easy tag, and add the keyword "nosandbox" and "educational" ( aka tedious ) |
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kidclamp |
'sandbox' mark makes it stand out |
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kidclamp |
drojf +1 |
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drojf |
so maybe sandbox makes more sense in this context |
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khall |
drojf: ok. I was just assuming most patches are sandbox testable |
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cait |
i think sandbox, nosandbox (so both can be marked when you see it) , but not totally sold on educational |
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cait |
Avademy for easy is ok for me |
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drojf |
khall: yes me too, i just thought about the workflow right now |
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khall |
works for me! |
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cait |
drojf: are you volunteering? or kidclamp? |
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drojf |
i don't know if the academy is happy if the academy tag is used for everyone, because that will make it impossible for them to claim a few bugs when the academy actually happens |
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drojf |
"claim" |
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kidclamp |
don't they usually call out for people to mark bugs around that time? |
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khall |
drojf: true, maybe tis better to just create a new less special keyword |
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drojf |
easy, beginner, newbie |
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drojf |
something like that |
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kidclamp |
I am happy for it to be a new keyword - I just wanted a keyword and a complexity :-) |
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kidclamp |
if we were going complexity route |
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cait |
new_kewyword+1 |
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khall |
kidclamp: can you propose a list of complexities? |
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drojf |
cait: i volunteer kidclamp because it is his topic :P |
| 08:41 |
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kidclamp |
yes, for next meeting - can be a general meeting discussion I think |
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cait |
#action kidclamp to talk to rangi about adding new keywords as discussed in the meeting to indicate easy bugs for beginners and testing complexity |
| 08:42 |
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cait |
ah |
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cait |
or next meeting |
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cait |
#action kidclamp ... or make a suggestion for the next meeting |
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kidclamp |
I will talk to rangi before |
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cait |
sounds good |
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kidclamp |
and then make suggestion |
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cait |
are we ok to move to action items from last meeting? |
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cait |
we are running late today :) |
| 08:43 |
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kidclamp |
yes. move ahead |
| 08:43 |
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cait |
#topic Updates from the QA team |
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Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 24 August 2016) |
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cait |
no updates from me - please look at critical bugs, link on the agenda |
| 08:43 |
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cait |
Joubu: ? |
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Joubu |
nothing new |
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cait |
sorting bug 17135 fast would be bood |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17135 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Fine for the previous overdue may get overwritten by the next one |
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cait |
good |
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cait |
it's a problem in the stable version |
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Joubu |
you are 3 on it, so decided to stay away from it. Do you need help? |
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cait |
I thin the missing piece now is a database update |
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cait |
to clean up |
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cait |
FU double ups a hopefully last time |
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cait |
and a set of eyes probably doesn't hurt - i didn't have time for testing |
| 08:46 |
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cait |
the patch set is on bug 14390 actually |
| 08:46 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14390 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Fine not updated from 'FU' to 'F' on renewal |
| 08:46 |
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Joubu |
ok will have a look at the updatedb |
| 08:46 |
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cait |
moving on |
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cait |
#topic Actions from last meeting |
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Topic for #koha is now Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 24 August 2016) |
| 08:47 |
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cait |
bag to add a note to the next release notes - I got on idea what that was about! |
| 08:47 |
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cait |
http://meetings.koha-community[…]-07-13-14.08.html |
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cait |
Joubu is going to check if some performance testing can be included in the qa scripts (launch a series of tests and compare diff) Joubu to ask on the mailing list about which namespace scheme should be used for the 'export things' |
| 08:47 |
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drojf |
deprecation of wheezy i think |
| 08:47 |
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cait |
did we come to a conclusion about the export scheme? |
| 08:47 |
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khall |
Joubu: we may want to rerun the FU to F cleanup from bug 15675. Just keep that under your hat ( https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]48471&action=diff ) |
| 08:48 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15675 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, RESOLVED FIXED, Add issue_id column to accountlines and use it for updating fines |
| 08:48 |
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Joubu |
the namespace "discussion" is on http://lists.koha-community.or[…]-July/042845.html |
| 08:48 |
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Joubu |
khall: k! |
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cait |
#info namespace discussion is on http://lists.koha-community.or[…]-July/042845.html |
| 08:48 |
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Joubu |
I have started the benchmarks for QA tools: http://lists.koha-community.or[…]-July/042844.html |
| 08:48 |
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Joubu |
but need feedback |
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cait |
#info Start for benchmarks for QA tools: http://lists.koha-community.or[…]-July/042844.html Please comment! |
| 08:49 |
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cait |
khall to add new benchmark rule to the coding guidelines |
| 08:49 |
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Joubu |
and I think I have provided the list of bug numbers waiting for QA (search for "Move stuffs to Koha namespace" and related) |
| 08:49 |
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cait |
khall volunteers to focus on rewrite patches for QA |
| 08:49 |
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cait |
khall to provide a proof of concept for using React in Koha |
| 08:49 |
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cait |
khall to add react/angular and frontend build to to next agenda ;) |
| 08:49 |
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khall |
cait: I believe I did that in PERL24 |
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cait |
thre were lots of action items |
| 08:50 |
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cait |
ok thx khall |
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khall |
cait: that could use some discussion. |
| 08:50 |
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cait |
which oneß |
| 08:50 |
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cait |
? |
| 08:50 |
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khall |
React stuff |
| 08:51 |
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cait |
#info PERL24 was added after the last meeting: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ove_their_effects |
| 08:51 |
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cait |
can we talk about it next dev meeting? |
| 08:51 |
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khall |
basically, many new js libraries ( like react ) require transpiling which means we need to use a tool like gulp to convert the React js files into regular js files |
| 08:51 |
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khall |
I don't think it's a big deal, but I wanted to bring it up. |
| 08:52 |
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cait |
i thin that might be related to owen's action item? |
| 08:52 |
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cait |
oleonard to start a mailing list thread about the frontend build tool ? |
| 08:52 |
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khall |
Most importantly, that requires developers to use npm |
| 08:52 |
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khall |
cait: yes, same thing basically |
| 08:52 |
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cait |
can you please add this to the next agenda? |
| 08:53 |
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cait |
#action khall to add react and related topics to next dev meeting agenda |
| 08:53 |
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cait |
;) |
| 08:53 |
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khall |
can do! I think we will end up using gulp most likely |
| 08:53 |
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cait |
i think Joubu has made a list of bugs available in his summaries |
| 08:53 |
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cait |
let's seet date and time for the next meeting |
| 08:53 |
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khall |
the big note is that we already make developers use node/npm for dealing with opac css via less |
| 08:54 |
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cait |
#topic Set time of next meeting |
| 08:54 |
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Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 24 August 2016) |
| 08:54 |
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khall |
so there's already precedent for needing/using node/npm as a Koha developer |
| 08:54 |
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cait |
September 28? |
| 08:54 |
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cait |
21 utc? |
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wahanui |
21 utc is fine and might be better for local time adjustments. |
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kidclamp |
I like 21 UTC |
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Joubu |
it's always too late for everybody |
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Joubu |
unless kidclamp |
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cait |
and nz |
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kidclamp |
:-) |
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cait |
I thought we ere nice to europe this time |
| 08:56 |
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cait |
so could try being nice to others... :) |
| 08:56 |
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cait |
argentina shoudl be better too |
| 08:56 |
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khall |
yeah |
| 08:56 |
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cait |
is that an ok? |
| 08:56 |
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Joubu |
k |
| 08:56 |
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cait |
#agreed Next meeting will take place on September 28, 21 UTC |
| 08:56 |
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cait |
thx a lot |
| 08:56 |
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cait |
#endmeeting |
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Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the #koha IRC chat | Code of conduct - https://koha-community.org/abo[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
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huginn |
Meeting ended Wed Aug 24 08:56:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 08:56 |
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huginn |
Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-08-24-07.01.html |
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huginn |
Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]6-08-24-07.01.txt |
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huginn |
Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]24-07.01.log.html |
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cait |
phew |
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kidclamp |
cait++ |
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cait |
have to make the next phone call now... but first some water |
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drojf |
so much for a short morning meeting. i almost starved to death |
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kidclamp |
heh |
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* kidclamp |
ponders going to work or going to sleep |
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kidclamp |
night all |
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wahanui |
goodnight kidclamp. You'll be back. |
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drojf |
later #koha |
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* khall |
will power through ; ) |
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cait |
thx all for attending :) |
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LibraryClaire |
morning #koha |
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khall |
mornin! |
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marcelr |
hi #koha |
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marcelr |
missed a dev meeting apparently |
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drojf |
hi marcelr |
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marcelr |
hi drojf |
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drojf |
yep |
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drojf |
best europe time :P |
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eythian |
hi marcelr |
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marcelr |
hi eythian |
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marcelr |
drojf: yeah and even then.. |
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eythian |
I suppose you were at the beach rather than the meeting? |
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eythian |
@wunder ams |
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huginn |
eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 28.9°C (1:29 PM CEST on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
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marcelr |
:) |
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marcelr |
i should be now.. |
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marcelr |
Joubu: I wanted to finalize bug 14390 now; are you looking at that dbrev discussion ? |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14390 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Fine not updated from 'FU' to 'F' on renewal |
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marcelr |
or khall perhaps? |
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eythian |
$res_prod{addresses}[0]{longitude} = $prod->latitude; <-- good work, yesterday me. |
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Joubu |
marcelr: I started but... to many comments, I gave up |
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marcelr |
ok I will return to it; I think it is only a hypothetical discussion |
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marcelr |
cait around btw? |
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khall |
marcelr: agreed. I think we should rerun the db update from 15675 as part of it, just to be safe. but I think other than that it's all good ( https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]48471&action=diff ) |
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marcelr |
khall: I even doubt that you need to run the dbrev in connection to this report |
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marcelr |
two FU records will be very very rare |
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khall |
marcelr: I think your most certainly correct. I'm just being extra cautious ; ) |
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marcelr |
the bug changed F back to FU but did not create two FUs |
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khall |
marcelr: I won't bother adding that db update to the bug, but I will if you change your mind ; ) |
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marcelr |
just thinking a few mins about a print warning or so |
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marcelr |
thx for feedback |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15023: (followup) Remove warnings <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d06786eda82b46cba> / Bug 15023: Allow patron anonymize/bulk delete tool to be limited by branch <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0f261ecc3280b6aa5> |
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oleonard |
Hi all |
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drojf |
olé onard! |
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marcelr |
hi oleonard |
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cait |
marcelr: around now, you too? |
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marcelr |
yeah cait i do not understand your problem about two FU recs |
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marcelr |
i think it is just hypothetical |
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marcelr |
the bug itself does not create two recs |
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LibraryClaire |
@wunder LCY |
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huginn |
LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 29.0°C (12:50 PM BST on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
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oleonard |
Thanks to those in my time zone who dragged themselves out of bed for the dev meeting today |
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* oleonard |
was not so dedicated |
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oleonard |
Ah, so it will be React that finally gets gulp onto the table as a build tool. :| |
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oleonard |
:P |
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marcelr |
khall and cait: What about moving a dbrev to a new report and test it on its own now? The code change could go in |
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cait |
i think jacek's cases might be caused by something else then - not good, but yep |
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cait |
oleonard: we will need you next time i think - gulp??? |
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cait |
ah jacek just added another comment |
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cait |
i think he is right - there is a different clean up to be done |
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marcelr |
cait khall: bug 14390 is in the RM queue |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14390 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Fine not updated from 'FU' to 'F' on renewal |
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cait |
marcelr: thx |
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marcelr |
some reports.. |
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marcelr |
holds or fines always fun |
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cait |
yeah |
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cait |
if you like that kind of fun... |
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marcelr |
hmm |
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marcelr |
programming is somewhat addictive |
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* LibraryClaire |
melts |
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drojf |
@wunder berlin, germany |
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drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 27.0°C (2:50 PM CEST on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). |
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eythian |
@wunder ams |
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eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 29.3°C (3:02 PM CEST on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
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eythian |
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LibraryClaire |
@wunder LCY |
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huginn |
LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 30.0°C (1:50 PM BST on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
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drojf |
i win |
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LibraryClaire |
our office is always about 5 degrees hotter, it's like a greenhouse in the afternoon |
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drojf |
you should grow stuff |
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eythian |
it's apparently 26 in my apartment at the moment :/ |
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LibraryClaire |
lovely |
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LibraryClaire |
my brain just melted out my ear and ran away |
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LibraryClaire |
I don't blame it |
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I should buy a fan tomorrow. |
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@wunder Konstanz |
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cait: The current temperature in Luisenstraße, Konstanz, Germany is 27.4°C (3:12 PM CEST on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
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cait |
... bearable here |
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@wunder Marseille |
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huginn |
sophie_m: The current temperature in Lotissement le Pitalugue, Vitrolles, France is 32.5°C (3:15 PM CEST on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
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oleonard |
Ouch |
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druthb |
@wunder 77098 |
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huginn |
druthb: The current temperature in Montrose, Houston, Texas is 29.5°C (8:21 AM CDT on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
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druthb |
'bout right. Nice and soupy |
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LibraryClaire |
aw, I just looked at the time in Marseille and thought it was later than it was. How disappointing. |
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druthb |
Expected high today around 37 or 38, high humidity, chance of a popup shower this afternoon. Welcome to the tropics. |
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oleonard |
You gotta think that lots of people in Texas must have really good reasons for living in Texas other than the because it is Texas. |
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druthb |
*snort* |
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druthb |
If I hadn't landed a job at cPanel, I would not be here. Not because of the heat, but because it's Redneckistan in so many ways. |
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druthb |
Houston is *marginally* better than the rest of the state in that respect, though...well, you've seen my Facebook feed. |
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phred_ |
Don't forget Austin! |
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druthb |
Austin is pretty chill; I've had no major trouble when I've been there. West of that, though, is a No-go zone for this girl. |
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druthb |
Houston's 11.5-month motorcycling season is a nice feature.. we get ice about once every two years, hurricanes about every 5-8 years. :) |
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phred_ |
I miss Molly Ivins. Some of the joy went out of Texas when she died. |
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druthb |
Indeed. One of the greats. |
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mveron-away |
Hi #koha |
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mveron |
@wunder Allschwil |
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mveron: The current temperature in Holderweg, Binningen, Switzerland is 28.4°C (4:03 PM CEST on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Falling). |
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LibraryClaire |
hi mveron |
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mveron |
LibraryClaire: It seems that you signed off Bug 17183, but you did not switch the status :-) |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17183 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aleishaamohia, Signed Off , Koha News 'delete selected' function doesn't check if anything has been selected |
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mveron |
...and hi .-) |
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mveron |
:-) |
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LibraryClaire |
orly |
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LibraryClaire |
wait what? |
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wahanui |
is Godot coming? |
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LibraryClaire |
it shows signed off for me? |
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mveron |
Now it does... |
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LibraryClaire |
I blame the heat |
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* mveron |
sends some ice cream |
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marcelr |
hi mveron |
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LibraryClaire |
:D |
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marcelr |
thx for the ice |
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mveron |
daag marcelr |
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marcelr |
@later tell tcohen any thoughts about bug 17159 |
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huginn |
marcelr: The operation succeeded. |
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drojf |
@wunder berlin, germany |
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drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 28.0°C (4:20 PM CEST on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Falling). |
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LibraryClaire |
@wunder LCY |
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LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 31.0°C (3:20 PM BST on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
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aroussos |
hi all |
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drojf |
later #koha |
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eythian |
@wunder ams |
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huginn |
eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 30.9°C (4:32 PM CEST on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
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* kidclamp |
waves |
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aroussos |
so, I submitted my first bug report today (https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]bug.cgi?id=17185) |
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huginn |
Bug 17185: trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Staff client shows "Lists that include this title:" even if item is not in a list |
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marcelr |
aroussos++ welcome |
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kidclamp |
aroussos++ |
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marcelr |
if you are ready, change status to Needs Signoff |
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aroussos |
hi marcelr, kidclamp |
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aroussos |
marcelr: thanks |
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marcelr |
ok aroussos |
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marcelr |
you should actually better use xslt |
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marcelr |
non-xlst will be deprecated one day .. |
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aroussos |
thanks for the sign-off, marcelr |
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marcelr |
:) |
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marcelr |
Joubu or cait will do a fast qa ? |
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aroussos |
I thought the XSLT system preferences were only for MARC21 setups? (we are using UNIMARC) |
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cait |
aroussos: there are xslt views for all supported marc flavours |
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kidclamp |
done marcelr |
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kidclamp |
(cause you beat me to sign off) |
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marcelr |
kidclamp++ just forgot you |
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cait |
i am not sure how nice the unimarc one is - i think a lot of libraries seem to use custom ones |
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kidclamp |
no worries |
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marcelr |
but now i will not anymore :) |
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kidclamp |
heh, it is wierd that xslt doesn't seem to have the 'lists that include this' that would be a neat enough addition - it also only lists public lists, not user's private lists |
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kidclamp |
rabbit holes |
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marcelr |
just an inside fork |
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marcelr |
not the only one |
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marcelr |
htg |
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cait |
hm ok i got a question - not sure someone has an answer |
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cait |
isbd punctuation and authorities |
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cait |
if you use authorities - would you put the isbd punctuation into the authority itself? |
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cait |
so that it gets copied over when you use the plugin? because it's not possible to change $a in the cataloguing editor |
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reiveune |
bye |
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morgane |
à demain |
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eythian |
Too hot |
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New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14390: [Follow-up] Only update FU record in UpdateFine <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]10b41e4504a70afb9> / Bug 14390: [QA Follow-up] UpdateFine should be passed a hash <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9b0ee5d40f896155b> / Bug 14390 [QA Followup] - Fix warning <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]web/?p=koha.git;a |
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hi #koha |
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liw |
@wunder manchester |
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huginn |
liw: Error: No such location could be found. |
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liw |
@wunder manchester, uk |
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liw: The current temperature in Manchester, United Kingdom is 20.0°C (5:50 PM BST on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
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LibraryClaire |
@wunder Guildford, uk |
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LibraryClaire: The current temperature in Chilworth, Chilworth, United Kingdom is 28.7°C (6:13 PM BST on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
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druthb |
@wunder 77098 |
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druthb: The current temperature in Montrose, Houston, Texas is 35.0°C (1:06 PM CDT on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa (Rising). |
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oleonard |
@wunder 45701 |
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huginn |
oleonard: Error: timed out |
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oleonard |
I broke the weather. |
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phred_ |
@wunder 20010 |
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phred_: The current temperature in heliosmonroe, Washington, District of Columbia is 29.8°C (2:27 PM EDT on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024 hPa (Falling). |
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oleonard |
@wunder 45701 |
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oleonard |
Oh no my zip code is gone |
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phred_ |
just what kind of weather are you having there that's so confidential? Wait a minute--you pobably can't tell us, can you? |
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kidclamp |
What about by name? |
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oleonard |
The space-time continuum has been altered and my zip code no longer exists. Now I regret all those mortgage payments. |
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huginn |
oleonard: The current temperature in Heatherstone, Athens, Ohio is 28.8°C (2:29 PM EDT on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
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oleonard |
Someone went back in time and stepped on the wrong insect. |
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phred_ |
You mean DC has better weather than you do right now? Shocking! |
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phred_ |
Not sure if this is strange, obvious, or impossible: On the OPAC admin config page, there are blocks on the left, center, and right that you can fill with HTML. (all right, that's obvious) Can I have Koha display files that are on a different server?--i.e., instead of putting the contents of foo.html put in a command that tells Koha to go out and fetch the file from server Z and display its contents in html? |
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oleonard |
phred_: I think the only way that would be possible would be with <iframe> |
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phred_ |
Hmmmm. Thanks. Now you've given me something else to look up. <g> |
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phred_ |
(looks up iframe) Easier than I thought. It just might work. |
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rangi |
morning |
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liw |
hi, rangi |
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cait1 |
morning liw, kidclamp and rangi |
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kidclamp |
hiya cait1 |
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* LibraryClaire |
waves |
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cait1 |
:) |
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wizzyrea |
hi |
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wahanui |
hey, wizzyrea |
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eythian |
hey, wizzyrea |
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wahanui |
it has been said that wizzyrea is so dumb at rewrite rules |
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wizzyrea |
still true |
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wizzyrea |
maybe slightly less true than it used to be but still mostly true |
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rangi |
hey eythian |
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wahanui |
hmmm... eythian is Time's Person of the Year for 2006. |
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wizzyrea |
hi eythian what ya been up to? |
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eythian |
It was very hot today so I sat outside and had some beers. |
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wizzyrea |
I want to go to there. |
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eythian |
Like, 31° hot. |
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wizzyrea |
that's way too hot. |
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eythian |
Yep |
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wizzyrea |
nvm I take it back. I want it to be ~22 and sit outside and have beers. |
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eythian |
Tomorrow will be too apparently. |
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eythian |
Yeah that's be nice. Down to 24 now. |
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wizzyrea |
oh that's not terrible |
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eythian |
Well, soon it's sleep time, so I'd rather cooler. |
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wizzyrea |
have you had anything especially fun to do at work lately? |
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eythian |
Had a big project that I had to have done by about today, then heard this afternoon it's being delayed by a few weeks. That was unfun. |
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wizzyrea |
ugh seriously |
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eythian |
Which wasn't what you asked 🙂 |
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wizzyrea |
well opposites count too |
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eythian |
This contributed to leaving early today though |
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eythian |
You saw my last museum post I take it? That was a fun one. |
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wizzyrea |
yeah I did! I am impressed that such a museum exists |
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eythian |
It's awesome |
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wizzyrea |
I suspect the mental states of visitors to amsterdam probably are compatible with it, generally. Lol. |
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Yep🙂 |
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tcohen |
hi |
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wizzyrea |
hi tcohen |
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wizzyrea |
what's the next museum on the list eythian |
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tcohen |
hi wizzyrea eythian |
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cait1 |
@wunder konstanz |
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cait1: The current temperature in Luisenstraße, Konstanz, Germany is 21.7°C (11:37 PM CEST on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). |
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wizzyrea |
hi cait1 |
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wizzyrea |
confetti? |
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wahanui |
o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
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* cait1 |
waves :) |
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eythian |
wizzyrea: either the fashion museum (if I can find it), or the film museum probably. |
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wizzyrea |
ooo |
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eythian |
I looked up the fashion museum a while ago, but found it might not exist. Need to look more. |
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@wunder ams |
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eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 24.7°C (11:39 PM CEST on August 24, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
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just realised there's a "museum of bags and purses" |
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eythian |
Ug |
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wizzyrea |
in amsterdam |
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eythian |
Tassenmuseum |
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eythian |
It's near work. |
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wizzyrea |
heheheh! |
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wizzyrea |
I like how equal opportunity you are in your museum visiting |
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wizzyrea |
i mean, alphabetical kind of enforces that. |
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wizzyrea |
>.> |
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wizzyrea |
but it's fun anyway |
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wizzyrea |
have you skipped any? |
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eythian |
Yeah, that's the idea |
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eythian |
I've skipped one that is open by appointment on Mondays between 1 and 3 (or something.) |
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eythian |
And one that's not really a museum at all, just an exhibition place |
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eythian |
And a couple that were transferred elsewhere that I'll get to later |
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wizzyrea |
all good reasons to skip |
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eythian |
I think so 🙂 |
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eythian |
wizzyrea: amusingly, the erotic museum was far and away the most read of all the museum posts, and everyone looked at the larger pictures. |
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heh |
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hehe |
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dcook |
scrollback |
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* dcook |
is impressed by how committed eythian is to museum visits |
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