IRC log for #koha, 2016-08-18

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00:32 wizzyrea would you expect an item linked via 773o to a host item to display in the search results as available?
00:32 wizzyrea I think I would...
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07:01 morgane hi #koha !
07:02 cait morning morgane :)
07:02 morgane hello cait :)
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07:27 gaetan_B hello
07:27 wahanui hello, gaetan_B
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07:27 drojf morning #koha
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07:31 marcelr hi #koha
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07:36 fridolin hie
07:37 marcelr bonjour fridolin
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07:44 marcelr morning LibraryClaire
07:44 LibraryClaire hi marcelr :)
07:51 wizzycrayfish eythian that sounds like the best way to respond to things like that.
07:52 drojf @wunder txl
07:52 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Rue du Capitaine Jean Maridor, Berlin, Germany is 15.6°C (9:51 AM CEST on August 18, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
07:52 drojf hrmpf
07:52 LibraryClaire @wunder LCY
07:52 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 17.0°C (8:20 AM BST on August 18, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
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07:57 drojf hi marcelr and LibraryClaire
07:57 marcelr gute morgen drojf
07:57 LibraryClaire hi drojf :)
08:02 * Joubu 's laptop just died...
08:03 * drojf sends condolences :(
08:06 LibraryClaire oh no :((
08:07 eythian hi
08:07 drojf hi eythian
08:08 LibraryClaire hi eythian
08:13 marcelr goedemorgen eythian
08:15 eythian wow, I ordered something from and paid for the superfast shipping (new headphone cable for mine that's failing.) It left Swansea yesterday afternoon, and apparently went out for delivery here before 7am today. That's quite speedy.
08:16 LibraryClaire yay, Swansea...
08:16 LibraryClaire hm that's where they ship stuff from to mainland Europe?
08:16 eythian I guess. It seems that amazon also has a warehouse there.
08:17 LibraryClaire yeh they do
08:17 eythian Crymlyn Burrows specifically
08:17 LibraryClaire isn't Wales lovely
08:17 eythian I've never been :)
08:19 eythian <-- not the most inspiring looking university campus however
08:20 drojf space for imagination, i like it
08:20 LibraryClaire on the plus side, there's a tesco express...
08:20 LibraryClaire hm
08:23 * LibraryClaire goes to make coffee
08:24 * drojf waits patiently
08:24 Joubu eythian: you should go to Wales, it's beautiful (and they brew good beers)
08:24 * drojf practices the meow
08:24 drojf they have good perry too
08:24 drojf (and cider for the apple people)
08:27 drojf pear-fection. *giggles*
08:28 LibraryClaire Wales is beautiful, it just rains a fair amount
08:28 cait Joubu: ouch :(
08:32 cait hm Wales sounds like a place for me :)
08:32 drojf let's have kohacon there
08:33 drojf or a koha hiking trip
08:34 drojf the national botanic garden of wales has koha, apparently
08:34 drojf ashimema: can we have a kohacon there please? ^
08:34 cait heh
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09:50 drojf hello again
09:51 * LibraryClaire waves
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10:01 sameeenz Hey all!
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11:36 eythian wahanui: status
11:36 wahanui Since Thu Jun 16 21:59:33 2016, there have been 538 modifications and 202 questions.  I have been awake for 62 days, 13 hours, 37 minutes, 0 seconds this session, and currently reference 49163 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
11:36 drojf @karma wahanui
11:36 huginn drojf: Karma for "wahanui" has been increased 5 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 4.
11:37 drojf poor bot
11:37 wahanui i heard poor bot was probably just tired
11:37 drojf @karma
11:37 huginn drojf: Highest karma: "cait" (387), "Joubu" (345), and "tcohen" (248).  Lowest karma: "ie" (-30), "failed" (-28), and "<-" (-27).  You (drojf) are ranked 10 out of 630.
11:37 drojf ie--
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11:38 eythian <-++
11:38 eythian @karma
11:38 huginn eythian: Highest karma: "cait" (387), "Joubu" (345), and "tcohen" (248).  Lowest karma: "ie" (-31), "failed" (-28), and "<-" (-26).  You (eythian) are ranked 4 out of 630.
11:38 drojf wahanui++
11:38 drojf @karma LibraryClaire
11:38 huginn drojf: Karma for "LibraryClaire" has been increased 6 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 6.
11:38 drojf LibraryClaire++
11:39 druthb @karma druthb
11:39 huginn druthb: Karma for "druthb" has been increased 8 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 8.
11:39 drojf druthb!
11:39 drojf if we had a counter for "druthb!" … :)
11:40 * LibraryClaire resists singing Boy George
11:41 druthb drojf!
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11:47 oleonard Hi all
11:51 druthb hi, oleonard
11:53 LibraryClaire hi oleonard
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12:52 drojf oleonard++ # fighting off marcedit questions ;)
12:53 oleonard I'm not just being a grouch, I genuinely think people could better help elsewhere!
12:53 oleonard /also/ being a grouch.
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12:56 * druthb is being a grouch also.
12:58 LibraryClaire @wunder LCY
12:58 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 25.0°C (1:50 PM BST on August 18, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
12:58 eythian @wunder ams
12:58 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 23.7°C (2:49 PM CEST on August 18, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
12:59 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
12:59 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 19.0°C (2:50 PM CEST on August 18, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
13:00 drojf who is gonna get a heatwave next week?
13:00 * drojf is
13:00 drojf yay. now that my body adjusted to autumn
13:00 eythian we're in the middle of it here right now apparently.
13:00 drojf lol
13:00 eythian you can tell because the number starts with a 2
13:00 drojf we will have > 30. they say
13:00 drojf :/
13:01 eythian shoulda visited amsterdam
13:02 drojf :(
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13:02 drojf i want to. but no time
13:02 drojf how is amsterdam in winter?
13:02 drojf probably more of a marcelr question
13:03 marcelr not that much different from north germany i guess?
13:03 drojf attractivity level medium
13:04 oleonard @wunder 45701
13:04 drojf but i guess your bike paths are cleaned from ice and snow :)
13:04 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Heatherstone, Athens, Ohio is 22.2°C (9:04 AM EDT on August 18, 2016). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
13:05 marcelr winters with ice and snow?
13:05 eythian drojf: last winter was apparently very mild so my perceptions may be coloured.
13:05 marcelr real winters?
13:05 eythian there was no ice nor snow in amsterdam
13:06 marcelr like that one in 1942?
13:06 eythian Not sure it even went below 0.
13:06 drojf ha
13:06 drojf ok
13:06 drojf then it's different from northern germany
13:06 drojf attractivity level rising
13:07 marcelr medium plus
13:07 drojf do you have a special winter drink? like glühwein or glögg?
13:07 eythian[…]msterdam/1812872/ <-- the next week actually looks a bit alright, except the rainy patches.
13:07 drojf (without cheese please)
13:07 marcelr tulips
13:07 eythian drojf: I think they just stole glühwein, at least I saw it around a bit.
13:07 eythian they drink it out of clogs though
13:08 drojf oh a way to make glühwein even worse. awesome :P
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13:09 LibraryClaire gluehwein is amazing
13:09 drojf eythian: we should have some in a windmill
13:10 eythian drojf: no, you misunderstand. The clogs are made of cheese!
13:10 drojf LibraryClaire: if by amazing you mean tons of headache
13:10 eythian And are worn in windmills!
13:10 eythian Something something tulips!
13:10 LibraryClaire drojf: I've not had that problem with it :D
13:10 drojf clogs made from cheese. that's were the käsefuß was invented. i see
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13:11 drojf LibraryClaire: it's usually cheap wine and cheap booze. at least if you go to a christmas market around here. may have been different in southern germany
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13:12 drojf (or where your glühwein experience comes from)
13:13 eythian It was pretty cheap plonk in the christmas markets here too
13:14 eythian When I moved into my apartment in December, there was an olieballen truck parked on a nearby corner. I was sad when it vanished in January, I didn't realise it wasn't a permanent fixture.
13:15 drojf heh
13:16 eythian but, pepernoten are back in the supermarkets already, so maybe the olieballen truck will be unseasonably early too.
13:16 eythian I can hope.
13:20 marcelr eythian: zijn ook de kluts kwijt
13:20 marcelr btw: oliebollen please
13:21 eythian marcelr: I'm sure you say that every year when you start hearing christmas music in September :)
13:21 eythian err, bollen, ja
13:22 drojf what is the difference between bollen and ballen?
13:22 eythian one is spelt right
13:22 drojf i remember gehaktballen. or is that only in belgium?
13:22 drojf i think i have seen it there
13:23 drojf[…]ex-in-de-egmonden
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13:24 eythian I think bal is more like ball, bol is more like sphere, or something along those lines.
13:27 marcelr drojf it is indeed gehaktbal and oliebol; as well as oliedom en amsterdam :)
13:28 drojf marcelr: is it a vowel harmony thing?
13:28 marcelr let sing it
13:28 drojf lol
13:29 marcelr appelflap
13:29 eythian appelflap met appelsap
13:29 marcelr no
13:29 marcelr btw appelbol
13:30 eythian heh
13:30 marcelr google it
13:30 wahanui
13:31 eythian why am I not surprised.
13:31 marcelr and bamibal
13:31 eythian Unsurprisingly, the only articles on wikipedia about it are in nederlands   and polski.
13:31 marcelr eythian: de bollen are always sweet and de ballen are not ;)
13:32 eythian important to know :)
13:32 drojf ha
13:32 drojf interesting
13:32 wahanui interesting is, like, sometimes good and sometimes bad
13:32 marcelr have to go
13:33 eythian also, bitterballen will burn your mouth out of your head
13:34 drojf why?
13:34 eythian they're basically deep-fryed nuclear material, as far as I can tell.
13:35 eythian deep-fried in the sun, that is.
13:35 drojf lol
13:35 eythian like, inside the sun
13:35 drojf ok i thought chili burn like, not temperature
13:35 eythian no, temperature.
13:35 drojf you could wait until they are colder… but that may be against the law
13:35 eythian I think about 3,000° is the standard serving temperature.
13:36 drojf served on lead plates?
13:36 eythian no, you see, they're surrounded by a layer of insulation.
13:36 eythian probably asbestos or something similarly fireproof
13:36 drojf ah. lead
13:36 drojf lol
13:36 drojf they do like deep frying stuff
13:37 eythian yep
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13:53 oleonard Don't anyone challenge my country's supremacy in the realm of deep frying everything[…]airground-6798288
13:57 LibraryClaire oh my word
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13:58 LibraryClaire I hear rumours of the deep fried mars bar in Scotland, but have never seen one. I have friends who claim they've had them
13:59 Joubu I tested that!
13:59 Joubu (well, just a quarter)
13:59 LibraryClaire oooh :D
14:00 LibraryClaire was it... nice?
14:00 Joubu not really
14:00 LibraryClaire lol
14:00 Joubu too heavy
14:00 Joubu (not a surprise :))
14:00 LibraryClaire I imagine it to be some kind of molten caramel sugar death snack
14:02 Joubu I think my brain decided to forget this tasting moment
14:02 LibraryClaire hahaha
14:03 LibraryClaire probably safest
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14:35 eythian LibraryClaire: we had them in NZ too. I did half of one once.
14:35 LibraryClaire eythian: good effort
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14:40 tcohen drojf?
14:40 wahanui drojf is from Germany and developing Koha on a raspberry pi!
14:40 tcohen are you going to sign the nightly repo?
14:40 tcohen or should I workaround it in kohadevbox?
14:41 drojf tcohen: no plans to do that
14:41 tcohen alright
14:41 drojf i could only use a key without passphrase. i dont see much win
14:41 tcohen besides making life easier for the kohadevbox maintainer?
14:41 tcohen :-P
14:41 drojf and atm no time to play with them
14:41 drojf if you need it, i can do it. but not very soon
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14:42 mveron Hi #koha
14:43 tcohen drojf, I can just use a shell command with --force if needed, just prefered a cleaner solution
14:43 LibraryClaire hi mveron :)
14:43 mveron hi LibraryClaire :-)
14:43 * mveron waves to cait and drojf
14:43 liw LibraryClaire, when I tried a 1/4 deep fried Mars bar in Edinburgh, it tasted like fish (they fried in the same oil as fish and chips)
14:44 LibraryClaire liw: niiiiiiiiice... :/
14:45 * cait waves
14:46 drojf liw: that sounds interesting
14:47 liw drojf, I sign my apt repo on my laptop (with reprepro), then publish that via rsync to the actual server, in case that helps
14:48 drojf liw: that is what i do with the official packages. but the nightlies are done nightly (heh) and i won't sign three packages every morning
14:49 drojf the automation part is less cool when it is unautomated ;)
14:49 liw drojf, :)
14:58 tcohen drojf, I managed to make it work in a kohser way
14:58 drojf tcohen: like how?
14:59 tcohen like this:
14:59 drojf ah. nice. did not know that works
15:00 * tcohen wasn't confident about the apt_repository ansible's module
15:00 tcohen but it just puts whatever value you give a variable
15:01 tcohen here:
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15:01 tcohen sorry
15:01 tcohen anyway, kohadevbox is now ready
15:02 tcohen using nightly packages
15:11 drojf tcohen: nice. and the additional patches are not necessary anymore, they are in master now
15:11 drojf so it's a true nightly ;)
15:11 * tcohen is ware ;-)
15:13 tcohen btw, awesome work with the nightly packages
15:14 drojf it was fun, but took much longer than it should have :P
15:27 drojf later #koha
15:28 morgane bye #koha
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15:40 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16615: Update OPACSearchForTitleIn to access via https <[…]4e954ecd2977b89b8> / Bug 16615: Follow up - missed a spot <[…]6a29e140a945f967d> / Bug 16615: Open Library API fails for full-site-SSL <
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15:50 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16955: Do not clear from cache when adding a new framework <[…]a8b5b0f01c368a634> / Bug 16996: (follow-up) Do not explode if mandatory fields are missing <[…]4e852e967a2187ba0> / Bug 16996: Do not explode if mandatory fields are missing <http://git.koha-c
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15:54 nitc We are trying to setup KOHA with remote db.
15:56 nitc We are trying to setup KOHA with remote db. In the koha wiki, for debian we are asked to create /etc/mysql/my.cnf but there are no such instructions for ubuntu. Please help.
16:00 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 17117: Patron personal details not displayed unless branch update request is... <[…]286a26035bb3ef640> / Bug 17124: Fix tests in DecreaseLoanHighHolds.t <[…]f13e933d15a31e20e> / Bug 17097: [QA Follow-up] Exit after redirect <
16:01 gaetan_B bye
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16:06 kidclamp nice catch on bug 16834 Joubu - I was looking all over and missed that
16:06 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16834 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Changing the "Set Inventory Date to" date doesn't do anything, date last seen always defaults to current date.
16:07 Joubu kidclamp: yes, it was tricky!
16:10 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 17107 - Add ident and Identifier-standard to known indexes <[…]2544c271a1e1ab616> / Bug 17095: (bug 16849 follow-up) Fix regression if patron does not exist <[…]ae6f0e0ecb36bc789> / Bug 17009: Speed up the framework duplication <http://git.koha-community.
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16:20 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 17106 - DataTables patron search defaulting to 'starts_with' - doc <[…]d02b858cd697a57d6> / Bug 16741 - Remove dead code "sub itemissues" from C4/ <[…]cba681bd5f0f1cd95> / Bug 17100: Restore previous logic <
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16:35 Joubu khall: bug 16686 comment 34, are you sure it was 16272?
16:35 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16686 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Fix "Item in transit from since" in Holds tab
16:35 khall Joubu: haven't submitted the followup yet
16:35 Joubu khall: heh ok :)
16:36 Joubu I was trying to recreate the failure, but it worked for me
16:37 khall Joubu: ok, it's up
16:39 Joubu khall: Are you sure about the bug number?
16:39 Joubu 16272?
16:39 khall Bug 16272 [QA Followup] - Indexer fails on indexing temparary testing records
16:39 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16272 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Transform checkout from on-site checkout to regular checkout
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16:42 Joubu khall: t/db_dependent/Koha/Items.t is not added by 16272
16:42 oleonard khall: Can you show me an example of where Koha::Biblio->subtitles is used?
16:42 Joubu oleonard: Koha/ @subtitles = $biblio->subtitles();
16:43 Joubu sorry, it's the pod :-/
16:43 Joubu but it's how it's used: my $biblio = Koha::Biblio->find(42); my $subtitles = $biblio->subtitles;
16:44 oleonard Looks like it's not actually used anywhere yet?
16:45 Joubu in one test: t/db_dependent/Koha/BiblioUtils.t
16:46 Joubu oleonard: it's used in templates
16:47 Joubu opac-user: [% FOREACH subtitl IN RESERVE.biblio.subtitle %]
16:47 Joubu +s!
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16:58 Joubu FYI: I applied 16686 and 16272 without your QA followup and the tests pass
16:59 Joubu khall: ^
16:59 Joubu have to run, see you tomorrow #koha
16:59 khall k
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17:10 nitc hi
17:10 wahanui kia ora, nitc
17:11 nitc hi
17:11 nitc How do I run the indexer manually?
17:16 nitc When I try to run the, I get this error:
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17:58 oleonard nitc: How did you install Koha?
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18:25 drojf evening
18:33 cait hello
18:33 wahanui hola, cait
18:36 drojf hi cait
19:03 * kidclamp *clamp* *clamp*
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19:16 cait clamp?
19:21 kidclamp was just being silly
19:21 kidclamp (and meant to be in #bywater :-) )
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19:27 * andreashm waves
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19:57 barton jessem: I just called Monica back one more time -- drumroll please.... rt 37054
19:57 barton oops, wrong channel.
19:58 JesseM :D
20:00 cait :)
20:06 bag @seen oleonard
20:06 huginn bag: oleonard was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 7 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <oleonard> nitc: How did you install Koha?
20:10 andreashm cait: yet another question for you - for automatic renewals, if we set the "no renewal before" to 0, will it then renew at the last day of the loan period? Or will it simply not work?
20:10 cait hm
20:11 cait i dunno )
20:11 cait what i would test maybe - if you set it to 0 without automatic, can you renew?
20:11 cait then i'd probably say it should work that way... but only one way to make entirely sure
20:12 andreashm because we have set that. and our automatic renewals are not working. looking for possible problems.
20:13 andreashm but I'll check your suggestion! thanks
20:17 cait maybe also check bugzilla
20:20 andreashm looking now actually
20:20 cait if you use ALL at the beginning of your search term you can se older closed bugs too
20:21 cait i know there was some discussion about date calculation somewhere
20:22 andreashm ok thanks
20:37 andreashm cait: bug 14101 seem to indicate that a zero in no renewals before should work.
20:37 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14101 major, P5 - low, ---, h.meissner.82, CLOSED FIXED, auto renewal is tied to 'no renewal before'
20:38 cait hm really not sure then
20:38 andreashm I'll look for other issues then
20:38 cait HN
20:38 cait HM
20:38 cait other thought
20:38 cait are there fines on the items that don't get renewed?
20:39 cait are your cronjobs running in the right sequence?
20:39 cait i have a long standing bug for that somewhere... auto renew - fines - overdue notices
20:39 cait if fines runs before auto renew a fine could block the renewal dpeending on your other configuration
20:40 drojf bug 11144
20:40 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11144 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, In Discussion , Fix sequence of cronjobs: automatic renewal - fines - overdue notices
20:47 andreashm ciat: yes, I saw that bug too. Not sure about the sequence of cronjobs. will ask.
20:49 andreashm cait I meant. =)
20:54 andreashm as always, thanks for your help.
20:54 andreashm cait++
20:54 cait yw
20:54 cait was it the sequence?
20:58 andreashm idunno
20:58 andreashm hope so.
20:59 andreashm will probably get an answer tomorrow
20:59 andreashm Hm. Bug 17058
20:59 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=17058 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Automatic renewals broken when BorrowerRenewalPeriodBase is set to current day
20:59 andreashm Is this only for 3..22?
21:03 andreashm (As indicated in Version)
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