IRC log for #koha, 2016-08-16

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00:23 Francesca hi
00:23 wahanui hey, Francesca
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06:50 gaetan_B hello
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06:56 morgane hi #koha
06:56 sameeenz Hello morgane
06:57 morgane hello sameeenz :)
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07:32 LibraryClaire morning #koha
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08:22 sameeenz Good morning LibraryClaire
08:22 eythian @wunder ams
08:23 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 17.7°C (10:18 AM CEST on August 16, 2016). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
08:23 * LibraryClaire waves
08:23 eythian also, hi
08:23 LibraryClaire @wunder LCY
08:23 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 17.0°C (8:50 AM BST on August 16, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
08:23 eythian what's new, LibraryClaire?
08:23 LibraryClaire we're having a heatwave, can you tell?
08:23 eythian same here!
08:24 LibraryClaire :)
08:24 sameeenz @wunder Whangarei
08:24 huginn sameeenz: The current temperature in 51 pah road, Whangarei, New Zealand is 10.9°C (8:24 PM NZST on August 16, 2016). Conditions: . Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
08:24 sameeenz Shiieeeet.
08:25 sameeenz @wunder Gore
08:25 huginn sameeenz: Error: No such location could be found.
08:25 eythian chilly enough
08:25 eythian haha
08:25 eythian sounds about right :)
08:25 sameeenz Yeah,  not even the bot cares about Gore
08:25 eythian @wunder alexandra, nz
08:26 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Springvale, Alexandra, Clyde-Springvale, New Zealand is 2.8°C (8:25 PM NZST on August 16, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
08:26 sameeenz Brrr.
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09:01 cait @wunder Konstanz
09:01 huginn cait: The current temperature in Luisenstraße, Konstanz, Germany is 20.6°C (11:01 AM CEST on August 16, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
09:01 cait it's nice so far today - sunny but not so hot
09:05 sameeenz I could go for some of that about now.
09:09 drojf hi #koha
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09:37 LibraryClaire hello again
09:37 cait survived the meeting? :)
09:38 LibraryClaire surprise meetings are my favourite!
09:38 cait heh
09:38 LibraryClaire but yes, it was fine
09:38 cait just had one too - but it was interesting
09:38 LibraryClaire yeah, it was fine, discussing our OPAC ^^
09:38 cait coworker showed our new ILL portal :)
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09:38 LibraryClaire ooh shiny
09:39 cait very shiny - based on vufind and a national index of all union catalogs
09:39 LibraryClaire nice :D
09:42 drojf cait: where can i download the source code? :P
09:43 cait um
09:43 cait not sure
09:48 * eythian is on a strict diet of no meetings at the moment, because people keep giving me difficult deadlines and then expecting me to achieve them.
09:50 LibraryClaire today i have a moved meeting a surprise meeting and a surprise conference call
09:50 eythian (then I get to say things like "do you want me to get this done, or go to a meeting?")
09:50 eythian sounds like a varietious day!
09:50 * LibraryClaire drinks coffee
09:51 * drojf wants coffee
09:51 * drojf stares at LibraryClaire
09:51 * LibraryClaire growls
09:51 * drojf says meow
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09:56 drojf i was sure that would work
09:56 * drojf goes to make espresso and improve cat skills
09:57 LibraryClaire lol
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12:19 mveron-away Hi again #koha
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12:19 mveron @wunder Allschwil
12:19 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Holderweg, Binningen, Switzerland is 27.1°C (2:13 PM CEST on August 16, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Falling).
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12:30 tcohen ¡hola #koha!
12:30 tcohen cait: pong
12:32 LibraryClaire hi tcohen :)
12:32 tcohen Hey, LibraryClaire
12:32 wahanui LibraryClaire is the monster under my bed
12:33 * LibraryClaire pokes wahanui
12:33 wahanui ouch!
12:34 tcohen hi drojf
12:35 tcohen @later tell drojf are you going to sign the nightly packages?
12:35 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
12:35 cait ping
12:35 tcohen hi cait
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12:54 tcohen jenkins_koha: queue
12:54 jenkins_koha Build queue:
12:54 jenkins_koha - Koha_3.22.x_D8_MariaDB10.0: Build #776 is already in progress (ETA:58 min)
12:54 jenkins_koha - Koha_3.22.x_D8: Build #87 is already in progress (ETA:1 hr 33 min)
12:54 jenkins_koha - Koha_3.22.x_U14: Build #77 is already in progress (ETA:1 hr 52 min)
13:09 tcohen jenkins_koha: queue
13:09 jenkins_koha Build queue:
13:09 jenkins_koha - Koha_3.22.x_D8_MariaDB10.0: Build #776 is already in progress (ETA:43 min)
13:09 jenkins_koha - Koha_3.22.x_D8: Build #87 is already in progress (ETA:1 hr 18 min)
13:09 jenkins_koha - Koha_3.22.x_U14: Build #77 is already in progress (ETA:1 hr 37 min)
13:15 tcohen @later tell drojf I think we should koha-perldeps should pull the catmandu / ES deps for simplicity
13:15 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
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13:53 * LibraryClaire waves
13:53 * kidclamp waves
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13:54 nengard hi all
13:55 kidclamp hi nengard
13:55 nengard I've been trying to connect to the channel on my work computer, but it's not finding the channel ....
13:55 nengard wonder if htey have oftc blocked ... it's working here in the browser
13:56 tcohen hi nengard !
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13:57 nengard :)
13:57 nengard morning amyk
13:57 amyk hi nengard!!!!
13:58 nengard hehe knew you'd react that way
13:58 amyk :-)
13:58 amyk you're in koha channel yay!
14:00 drojf @wunder txl
14:00 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Rue du Capitaine Jean Maridor, Berlin, Germany is 26.1°C (3:51 PM CEST on August 16, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
14:01 nengard @wunder 78754
14:01 huginn nengard: The current temperature in North Acres, Austin, Texas is 22.6°C (8:54 AM CDT on August 16, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling). Flash Flood Watch in effect through this evening...
14:01 drojf @later tell tcohen the catmandu/ ES deps do not exist in the repo yet, so there is nothing to pull. working on it, but may take some time
14:01 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded.
14:02 tcohen I hate it :-D
14:02 drojf blame eythian :P
14:02 * tcohen knows
14:03 eythian drojf: that's your first envelope.
14:03 drojf i'm not sure what that means
14:03 eythian[…]es_n_1635781.html
14:05 drojf lol. i actually think i can solve the problem, but there are a lot of othert problems that want to be solved too
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14:05 drojf but i will use it again :P
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14:07 drojf i thought about having non-cool not-really-proper-debian-packages for the time being, but i decided that would lead to doing it properly waaay later. so i won't
14:07 eythian yeah, good plan
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14:29 tcohen @later tell mtompset I don't understand several comments you put on the code in bug 11592
14:29 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
14:31 tcohen @seen mtompset
14:31 huginn tcohen: mtompset was last seen in #koha 1 day, 21 hours, 6 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <mtompset> ^dat^day^ :)
14:34 tcohen @later tell mtompset I expected simple patches in which you passed the already retrieved records to the RecordProcessor, and kept the code as is, it got a bit messy
14:34 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
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14:40 vfernandes hi #koha
14:40 vfernandes problem installing koha 3.22 -> DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::_​warn_undetermined_driver(): This version of DBIC does not yet seem to supply a driver for your particular RDBMS and/or connection method ('Mock'). While we will attempt to continue anyway, the results are likely to be underwhelming. Please upgrade DBIC, and if this message does not go away, file a bugreport including the following info:
14:41 vfernandes anyone had this problem?
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15:03 vfernandes i'm having a problem with Koha 3.22 and MySQL queries
15:04 vfernandes one query to only get a systempreferences is too much slow comparing to Koha 3.20
15:17 gaetan_B bye
15:20 Joubu vfernandes: when did you get this error?
15:20 Joubu you should see it when running tests
15:20 Joubu and yes it's expected
15:22 vfernandes on running tests
15:23 vfernandes make test
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16:47 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15200 - t/Creators.t fails when using build-git-snapshot <[…]31c5716b3be0a7a6b>
16:48 drojf w00t ^
16:49 * drojf updates the nightly config
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16:56 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
16:56 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 31.1°C (1:55 PM ART on August 16, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Falling).
17:10 morgane bye #koha :)
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17:43 Tylathos i think the last comment at bug 17101 ocurse a new bug. Becaus that kind of error can be duplicated from me by editing complitly different pages. Even when im on the master branch :)
17:43 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=17101 new feature, P5 - low, ---, T.Reimann95, Needs Signoff , Confirm a question before check in
17:43 Tylathos what should i do now ^^
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18:05 kidclamp Tylathos - first I would say test and recreate the issue and ask more questions if you can't recreate
18:06 kidclamp Then either add a followup patch or amend the initial patch
18:07 Tylathos kidclamp: the bug that he found, has nothing im common with my patch. Its in a compltly other file, and could even be reproduce when i don't apply my patch. So it's a new bug right?
18:09 kidclamp ah yes, if it exists outside of your patch it can be filed as a new bug, but I think the first part applies doesn't it?
18:09 kidclamp confrimgin the hold - not your problem
18:09 kidclamp conflict of checkin msg / hold confirm msg is related I think
18:10 kidclamp bug 16942
18:10 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16942 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Confirm hold results in ugly error
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18:17 Tylathos kidclamp: yes the first parts apply to me. it's the second field.
18:22 * LibraryClaire waves
18:22 * mveron waves
18:24 mveron Tylathos: I was reading back... You are right, internal server error in Bug 17101 seems to be a different thing
18:24 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=17101 new feature, P5 - low, ---, T.Reimann95, Needs Signoff , Confirm a question before check in
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20:29 rangi morning
20:36 kidclamp morning rangi
20:40 cait morning rangi
20:42 barton bots?
20:42 wahanui
20:43 barton not the answer I was looking for.
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20:47 andreashm evening
20:51 andreashm how does Koha (and the record matching rules) handle multiple isbn:s? Like for multi volume records, where there is one isbn for the complete work and one for each part? From what I can tell if there is just one match, the other one is ignored?
20:52 andreashm Which for us has made a lot of wrong matches, as it only looks at the isbn for the complete work.
20:52 andreashm Anyone who knows?
20:55 cait andreashm: hm we have separate records in this case
20:56 cait one set record and one for each volume
20:56 cait so don't run into this probably... and we never match on isbn
20:56 andreashm cait: we have the same.
20:56 cait hm
20:57 andreashm but for now we are matching on isbn since we cannot match on 035a just yet, because of how Koha normalizes the data
20:57 cait i am not sure why it matches then - did someone add the 7xx isbn to the same index as 020?
20:57 andreashm there are multiple 020
20:57 cait and in the volume record there is the isbn of the set record in 020?
20:57 andreashm for yup
20:58 andreashm yes
20:58 andreashm I meant to say
21:00 andreashm Don't know if that is a Swedish standard or something...
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21:01 andreashm Looks quickly... seems so. Sveral 020 for multi volume.
21:01 cait we got thos ein the 8xx 7xx linking fields
21:01 cait not in 020
21:01 cait if at all
21:01 cait so they don't interfere
21:01 andreashm kind of makes sense
21:02 cait i'd say so... but that doesn't solve your problem :(
21:02 cait i wonder if you could add a match check on the record type
21:03 cait depending on how you can distinguish them
21:03 andreashm Interesting discovery with record matching is that there always seems to be the latest record (=the one with the highest biblio-nr) that gets matched, even if there are numerous records with the same 020 (or whatever is matched on)
21:03 cait we see the same in cases of doubled up 001
21:04 andreashm so the same record gets updated over and over.
21:05 andreashm makes me wonder what would happen if I go into the Stage MARC management and undo the first import of say three. Would the original record be restored, or would the latest import (=after the one I undo) still be in effect?
21:05 cait i think it restores the version before the import
21:05 cait but i haven't tested it :)
21:05 andreashm I didn't feel like testing on our production server... =)
21:05 cait could you combine the isbn match with something like bib-level?
21:06 andreashm bib-level?
21:06 wahanui bib-level is probably an example
21:06 cait that's leader pos7 as an example
21:06 andreashm humm... possibly.
21:07 cait our set records have c
21:07 cait[…]hic/bdleader.html
21:07 cait the volumes are m i think...
21:10 andreashm don't know how to set up such a matchpoint though. And I tried adding a matchpoint for title, but it doesn't matter since the isbn match doesn't depend on t. (I don't think I want to change the matching to require isbn and title for a match... might make even more duplicates)
21:19 andreashm This just makes matching on 035 all the more important for us.
21:20 rangi theres a patch to add in index on that, once thats done, matching on it is pretty easy
21:23 cait ithink it is in now
21:23 cait or at least pqa
21:23 cait andreashm: hm i think it's about the scores you set?
21:23 cait i never used multiple criteria tho :(
21:24 cait i just know it should work theoetically
21:24 cait if a recorgs gains a certain score from mulitple checks it will be considered a match
21:27 cait record...
21:27 wahanui record is probably constructed before indexing
21:28 andreashm rangi: yes, and we have added an index for 035 now. But the problem is that Koha does some normalization which doesn't work with the way Zebra indexes.
21:29 andreashm Bug 15541 would take care of that though
21:29 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15541 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Failed QA , Prevent normalization during matching/import process
21:29 andreashm But its stuck in QA at the moment
21:30 andreashm cait: yeah, I know. But I'm not inclined to require score from both title and isbn to match. a simple spelling error in the title somewhere would mean no match.
21:31 cait can you explain the difference it would makeß
21:31 cait ?
21:34 andreashm cait: I could set isbn to a score of 500 and title to 500. And the threshold to 1000.
21:34 andreashm Only matching on isbn or title would not be enough for an actual match - you would need both.
21:34 cait i mean with the patch?
21:34 andreashm ah
21:34 andreashm sorry
21:36 andreashm Our 035a looks like "(LIBRIS)8029799"
21:37 andreashm Koha turns this into LIBRIS8029799
21:37 cait hm
21:38 andreashm Zebra looks at the parenthesis as something that seperates words. It searches for LIBRIS and 8029799
21:38 andreashm so no match
21:38 cait ah
21:38 cait so the different treatment of ( in indexing and normalization
21:38 andreashm yes
21:38 cait because zebra treats as space
21:38 cait ok i see
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21:40 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
21:40 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 22.6°C (6:40 PM ART on August 16, 2016). Conditions: Blowing Sand. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.63 in 1003 hPa (Rising).
21:40 andreashm @wunder sion
21:40 huginn andreashm: The current temperature in Sion, Switzerland is 20.0°C (11:00 PM CEST on August 16, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
21:41 andreashm hi tcohen btw
21:43 rangi hi tcohen
21:45 tcohen hi rangi
21:45 andreashm tcohen: I've been meaning to ask you - is there anything I need to do to test REST API bugs using Kohadevbox? I tried using Postman, but couldn't get it to work.
21:46 tcohen indeed
21:46 tcohen i've done the work so we are able to
21:46 tcohen i'm missing one step: patch kohadevbox so it sets the nightly repo from drojf
21:47 tcohen let me look at the bug number
21:48 tcohen andreashm: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=17030
21:48 huginn Bug 17030: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , Configure the REST api on packages install
21:48 tcohen adjust your setup to that patches changes
21:50 tcohen i haven't tested if koha-gitify does the job regarding the API endpoint
21:50 tcohen andreashm: are you using latest kohadevbox:master?
21:51 tcohen I use postman as well, using the CGISESSID value
21:54 tcohen am i online?
21:56 andreashm yes
21:56 andreashm sorry was away for a bit writing an email
21:57 andreashm tcohen: I think I am. Installed it last week.
21:57 andreashm So I should apply 17030 before testing?
21:59 tcohen nope
22:00 tcohen that is already applied on the nightly packages
22:00 andreashm ah ok
22:00 tcohen just saying, you could tweak your packages files
22:00 tcohen those installed from the packages
22:00 tcohen using the ones from the patch
22:01 tcohen i'll try to make drojf's nightly builds work on kohadevbox
22:01 tcohen he wasn't signing the packages, and ansible was complaining
22:01 tcohen so I didn't upstream the patch for kohadevbox
22:02 andreashm alright
22:02 andreashm thanks tcohen
22:02 tcohen i'll try to patch kohadevbox now
22:02 andreashm (great work on kohadevbox btw!)
22:02 andreashm nice
22:02 tcohen i was looking for bag first
22:02 andreashm Well, I'm off to bed.
22:03 tcohen hm, invoking him didn't work hehe
22:03 andreashm haha
22:04 andreashm Hope to be looking more at REST stuff next week or so. This week is for struggling with matching rules and writing project reports. not sure which is worse. =)
22:04 andreashm ok, bye #koha
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