IRC log for #koha, 2016-08-15

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00:14 jcamins Also broiling the zucchini.
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00:52 BobB hi wizzyrea
00:54 BobB @later tell wizzyrea :at the link to the 16.05 manual is returning 404
00:54 huginn BobB: The operation succeeded.
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00:59 wizzyrea BobB: what is the correct URL? That stuff is managed by bernardo
00:59 wizzyrea and actually near as I can tell the manual for 16 isn't there at all
01:00 wizzyrea nengard would have been the one who updated that page.
01:00 wizzyrea BobB
01:01 bob_ ok, so I go to
01:01 wizzyrea yeah, that http://translate.koha-communit[…]/en/html-desktop/
01:02 wizzyrea doesn't exist
01:02 bob_ and click the link to the 16.05 manual
01:02 wizzyrea and translate is run by bernardo
01:02 bob_ and get a 404
01:02 bob_ but the url you give resolves for me
01:02 wizzyrea yep, it's not on translate
01:02 wizzyrea it's on manual
01:02 wizzyrea that's the mirror link
01:02 wizzyrea something is funky with the translate copy
01:02 bob_ ah ok
01:03 wizzyrea just trying to get you to the info you needed :)
01:03 wizzyrea i'm not sure exactly what needs to happen on translate
01:04 bob_ i'll email bernardo if you like?
01:06 wizzyrea that's probably best, I kinda don't want to touch it until I know what the URL actually *is*
01:06 wizzyrea cuz if he just puts it there it'll come right by itself :)
01:07 wizzyrea or, if we need to come up with a different workflow or idk what
01:10 bob_ done
01:11 bob_ thx wizzyrea
01:12 wizzyrea yep nw
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05:49 The1TheyCallSam Hi, guys -- trying out the Koha IRC for the first time!
05:52 The1TheyCallSam I'm a fairly new Koha user (currently on 3.14, but planning to upgrade to latest version soon), and while I've been better familiarizing myself with resources out there, I'm still not bridging the gaps in my knowledge on one particular issue...
05:53 cait hi :)
05:54 The1TheyCallSam The issue I'm having is with patron logins, both for our OPAC in general, and for our Self-Checkout procedure for an off-site collection (for which there is currently a link on our Library homepage):
05:55 cait in 3.14?
05:56 cait just asking cause there aredifferences
05:56 cait waht's the issue?
05:58 cait hm your link is a more modern version - but strangely I can't see the exact version in the source
05:58 The1TheyCallSam Our students do not know how to login to the OPAC (and because I'm still fairly new in my job, neither do I); I am able to login with my admin. Koha (back-end) login info, as are my other staff members, but the students' login info still vexes one at our Library has really ever addressed this since we jumped on the Koha wagon, and my predecessor didn't communicate to me how usernames and passwords are generated.
05:59 cait hm
05:59 cait if you are not using some external thing like ldap or cas, the way you log into koha is either:
05:59 cait - username + password
05:59 cait - cardnumber + password
06:00 cait passwords are stored encrypted, so there is no way for you to tell what it has been set to
06:00 cait you can use the patron import to set passwords - but once the password is stored, there is no way to findout again what it was
06:01 cait oh and normal uers don't need any permissions, only staff users do
06:01 The1TheyCallSam This makes sense...I am thinking it has something to do with importing our currently enrolled students into the system via "batch delete" / "batch patron modification" (which we do at the beginning of every semester), but I am unsure...
06:03 cait take a look at the import patrons tool
06:03 cait it works with csv files
06:03 The1TheyCallSam I need to be able to demonstrate to students at the off-site facility can successfully checkout materials to themselves...
06:03 The1TheyCallSam Ok, looking now -- one sec.
06:03 cait you can create a user or set a users passwords from the patron account
06:04 cait so I think a demonstration should not be a problem
06:04 bob_ hi cait
06:05 cait hi bob_
06:05 bob_ The1TheyCallSam, you need a staff user for the self check module
06:05 bob_ to log in to it effectively
06:05 bob_ then each student uses their own credentials to borrow
06:06 bob_ its covered in the manual
06:06 The1TheyCallSam AH...
06:06 cait ahyeah that's true
06:06 The1TheyCallSam Thank you, bob_
06:06 cait and there is a specific permission it will need
06:06 cait in newer versions
06:06 The1TheyCallSam That may be what was stumping me...
06:07 cait self_checkout                                  Perform self checkout at the OPAC. It should be used for the patron matching the AutoSelfCheckID
06:09 cait that's the permission
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06:18 The1TheyCallSam Ok, cait -- I think I've found it:  it looks like the circulation preference this refers to (when I perform a search  for "self checkout" in global system preferences) is: AutoSelfCheckAllowed  AutoSelfCheckID  AutoSelfCheckPass
06:19 cait that's if you want the self check user to automatically log in
06:22 The1TheyCallSam Hmmm...ultimately I want them to user THEIR username and password, so that our ILS keeps track of exactly who is borrowing those materials...
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06:27 The1TheyCallSam My problem is still that I'm not sure what the username and password IS.  Last week, I tried many combinations with a couple of students, trying every possibility of what it could be / should be...I even tried editing one student's OPAC login, and had him create a new password, but that didn't seem to work, either...
06:33 The1TheyCallSam I think maybe I just wigged out because of the initial requirement of a STAFF login for this self-checkout thing:  thus, even the students' legitimate username / password wasn't being recognized...
06:33 The1TheyCallSam I'll keep tinkering.  Thanks for your help, all!
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07:31 marcelr hi #koha
07:33 cait hi marcelr
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07:38 LibraryClaire morning #koha
07:38 * cait waves
07:38 LibraryClaire hi cait :)
07:38 LibraryClaire @wunder LCY
07:38 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 17.0°C (8:20 AM BST on August 15, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
07:39 drojf morning #koha
07:39 LibraryClaire hi drojf
07:40 drojf hi LibraryClaire
07:40 drojf @wunder txl
07:40 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Rue du Capitaine Jean Maridor, Berlin, Germany is 15.7°C (9:31 AM CEST on August 15, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
07:40 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
07:40 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 17.0°C (9:20 AM CEST on August 15, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
07:58 eythian @wunder ams
07:58 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 19.3°C (9:53 AM CEST on August 15, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
08:06 cait marcelr: are you taking on the rest api patches?
08:06 marcelr how so?
08:12 cait just htought i saw you commenting on one .)
08:13 marcelr yeah, that is true but not the same as taking all patches
08:14 marcelr i am curious if we see some more reactions on the dev ml btw
08:14 cait I am not ready to test api patches yet - i hope i can learn some things in Marseille
08:21 cait just saw your email to koha-devel - good questions
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11:39 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
11:39 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 19.0°C (1:20 PM CEST on August 15, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
11:42 LibraryClaire @wunder LCY
11:43 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 22.0°C (12:20 PM BST on August 15, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
11:43 eythian @wunder ams
11:43 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 20.8°C (1:42 PM CEST on August 15, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
11:43 eythian it's almost like it's pretending summer wasn't cancelled
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11:43 drojf autumn last week, almost 30° on saturday, back to autumn now
11:44 drojf i don't like surprise summer day in between
11:47 LibraryClaire we were told it would go back to 30 again tomorrow or wednesday, dunno if that's true though
11:47 drojf eeek
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12:00 eythian it isn't going to happen here, that's for sure.
12:03 drojf forecast says no. it also says one digit temperatures during the night. eeek
12:03 drojf i don't need that much autumn
12:04 cait sun here
12:04 cait @wunder Konstanz
12:04 huginn cait: The current temperature in Luisenstraße, Konstanz, Germany is 24.4°C (2:03 PM CEST on August 15, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
12:04 drojf südstaaten
12:05 cait pf )
12:05 drojf :P
12:09 LibraryClaire :)
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12:14 drojf hi mveron
12:16 mveron Hi drojf :-)
12:16 mveron @wunder Allschwil
12:16 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Holderweg, Binningen, Switzerland is 27.4°C (2:12 PM CEST on August 15, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Falling).
12:18 * LibraryClaire waves
12:19 * mveron waves
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12:36 cait hm is it possible that koha normlizes isbn unasked for?
12:36 cait like... removing hyphens?
12:36 cait *sighs* on importing with staged tools? or bulkmarkimport?
12:39 kidclamp anything is possible cait
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12:42 drojf later #koha
12:42 LibraryClaire o/
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12:46 kidclamp Hi LibraryClaire
12:46 kidclamp Hi tcohen
12:47 LibraryClaire hi kidclamp :)
12:47 kidclamp Did Joubu talk to you about plack/memcached tcohen?
12:49 tcohen morning everyone
12:49 LibraryClaire hi tcohen
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12:55 cait --nocleanisbn in bulkmarkimport
12:55 cait so yes... it was Koha
12:56 cait per default it will kill your hyphens if you don't tellt he script to not do that
12:56 tcohen hi kidclamp, more specifically?
12:56 cait kidclamp: see above
12:56 tcohen is anyone aware of recent changes in ISBN handling?
12:56 cait what's the question?
12:56 wahanui the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?"
12:56 eythian oh, wednesday is one of the warm days here, and I have to spend two hours on a boat that afternoon. Oh well.
12:56 cait i just found out Koha eats hyphens :)
12:57 tcohen recently, Search.t started failing
12:57 * tcohen is lazy this morning, but could bisect it
12:57 kidclamp tcohen: it seems that 'koha-plack --start' doesn't get the ENV needed for memcache
12:57 kidclamp works fine
12:57 tcohen ah
12:57 cait tcohen: you need to be more specific
12:57 tcohen *that*
12:58 tcohen just a sec cait
12:58 tcohen http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]21___GRS_1__620_/
13:01 tcohen kidclamp: is anyone working on plack.psgi?
13:02 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
13:02 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 17.8°C (9:55 AM ART on August 15, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Rising).
13:04 kidclamp not that I know of tcohen
13:07 jcamins eythian: Wednesday it's supposed to go up to 24º for you. For comparison...
13:07 jcamins @wunder 11375
13:07 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Forest Hills, New York, New York is 27.1°C (9:07 AM EDT on August 15, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1021 hPa (Rising). Heat advisory in effect from noon today to 8 PM EDT this evening...
13:08 eythian jcamins: that sounds too warm to go on a boat. You should get a better climate.
13:09 jcamins eythian: agreed.
13:10 tcohen #koha I'm worried failing tests are accumulating
13:10 Joubu tcohen: which ones?
13:10 wahanui which ones are lighztning talks?
13:11 Joubu I had a look this morning: 1 is going to be fixed (patch somewhere), and 2 others are related to Jenkins
13:12 marcelr thx mveron++
13:12 mveron Graag gedaan :-)
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13:15 Joubu tcohen:
13:15 Joubu Reserves.t => 16942
13:15 Joubu DecreaseLoanHighHolds.t => 17124
13:15 Joubu t/db_dependent/Holds/RevertWaitingStatus.t => 16942
13:16 Joubu tcohen: The 3 www fail with "Can't connect to koha_master:8080"
13:17 Joubu Letters.t pass for me
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13:26 marcelr Joubu: did you see DataTables Reinitialize warnings before bug 15285 (see also 17125 for 3.22) ?
13:26 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15285 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Upgrade DataTables to 1.10.10 or later
13:27 Joubu marcelr: yes I usually see it when I wrote bad code :)
13:28 kidclamp lol
13:28 marcelr hm i am seeing in a 3.22 test version
13:29 marcelr mveron: you did it !
13:29 marcelr bug 17110
13:29 Joubu marcelr: I cannot test right now (in the middle of something), but I will try in a few min
13:29 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=17110 enhancement, P5 - low, ---,, Signed Off , Lower CSRF expiry in Koha::Token
13:30 marcelr thx Joubu
13:34 kidclamp one
13:34 kidclamp oops
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14:17 Tylathos Hey folks
14:20 oleonard Hi #koha
14:20 LibraryClaire hi tylathos
14:20 LibraryClaire hi oleopard
14:35 * oleonard boggles at the request on the mailing list to be able to use a Koha demo for months at a time
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14:41 Tylathos oleonard i think i should subscribe to the mailing lists of koha :P
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14:53 * cait waves
14:54 Tylathos Hey cait :9
14:56 * LibraryClaire waves
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17:05 eythian wizzyrea: "Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure is the first film in the unexpectedly successful, and still one hundred percent canonical, if sadly short-lived, American reboot of Doctor Who."
17:07 Dyrcona heh
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17:44 circ-user-2Javc email send overduce configuration ?
17:45 circ-user-2Javc i have koha setup on VPS with ip address
17:45 circ-user-2Javc its possible to configure email send ? since we dont have domain
17:51 liw drojf, did your ITP bug get filed OK?
17:53 drojf liw: it did.[…]rt.cgi?bug=834363 i guess i should make friends with the perl team and only summon you in case they are mean to me ;)
17:55 drojf circ-user-2Javc: koha does not send emails by itself. it uses the MTA (mail transfer agent) of your system. i'm sure there are configurations that will work. but there are a lot of MTA options and settings, and i can't assist with that
17:56 circ-user-2Javc ok
17:56 circ-user-2Javc any idea how to configure
17:57 drojf you have to choose an MTA before you configure it
17:57 drojf options are things like postfix, sendmail, exim4 … and probably a lot more
17:57 drojf and they all have individual configuration
17:58 drojf there is nullmailer which promises easy ending via an existing email address, but i have never made it work
18:01 kidclamp at least for my dev sites I use these instructions which work pretty well. I do not vouch for their use in production:[…]ces%20from%20Koha
18:04 circ-user-2Javc thank for this
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18:35 Tylathos_ bye #koha
18:49 cait hm the jquery site exploded
18:50 cait some of the last changes have strange results
18:50 cait jquery reports library?
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18:58 cait https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]17037&oldid=17036
18:58 cait i am not good with the wiki - is there a way to undo without undoing all of today's changes?
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19:11 andreashm hi all
19:41 aliki hi there, if anyone has to recommend me any bug to check (librarianwise)...
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20:04 cait hi aliki :)
20:05 cait let me have a look
20:06 cait bug 17101 maybe?
20:06 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=17101 new feature, P5 - low, ---, T.Reimann95, Needs Signoff , Confirm a question before check in
20:07 cait it's a  new option for the return message you can define for the item type
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20:09 cait bug 16874
20:09 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16874 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aleishaamohia, Needs Signoff , Making serials collections actions buttons
20:09 cait bug 14668
20:09 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14668 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, charles.farmer, Needs Signoff , Show serial enumeration in the patron's opac checkout summary
20:14 aliki many thanks cait, I'll take a look at your recommendations ;)
20:15 cait if there is a problem... you know where to find us :)
20:17 cait aliki: bug 16967 and 17014 maybe too - oleonard writes good test plans usually
20:17 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16967 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Remove the use of "onclick" from serial frequency and numbering management
20:18 aliki Yeah, I might need your help, cause it's been a long time
20:18 aliki great, thanks
20:18 * cait will stop now :)
20:49 cait @later tell tcohen ping :)
20:49 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
21:07 rangi morning
21:07 liw druthb_away, aye, the perl team is your  best next port of call :) they're nice people
21:08 wizzyrea hi
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23:35 oleonard Hi all
23:37 sameeenz hai!
23:39 wizzyrea hi oleonard
23:39 wizzyrea you are visiting late :D
23:39 oleonard Hi wizzyrea. Yeah, need to put in a little more time on the clock.
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23:40 dcook heya oleonard
23:40 wahanui oleonard is, like, not really here.  He said so.  He did
23:40 dcook 7:40pm isn't *that* late :p
23:40 oleonard Late for me to be here though :)
23:41 dcook Good to see you in any case!
23:41 oleonard Why are we tweeting about ILS privacy? Did someone do something rotten again?
23:42 rangi ill message ya ;)
23:43 wizzyrea ell ohh ell
23:44 dcook oh my... cc this person in!
23:45 sameeenz Also me, plz.
23:47 jcamins We're tweeting about ILS privacy? Oh dear.
23:47 oleonard I miss all o' y'all Oceanians.
23:47 oleonard Just sayin'.
23:47 wizzyrea :)
23:51 dcook :D
23:51 dcook We miss you too!
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