IRC log for #koha, 2016-08-01

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02:26 dcook Hmm... can master create a new database?
02:26 dcook I suppose my kohastructure.sql might not be quite up-to-date but getting a SQL error..
02:27 dcook Oh, it might be me who created the error O_O
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02:31 dcook Oh, perhaps an error in sysprefs.sql too after all
02:35 wizzyrea dcook what version of mysql are you trying to install on?
02:35 dcook wizzyrea: It's a typo in sysprefs.sql
02:35 dcook Might have been fixed already but looking at it
02:35 dcook Missing comma
02:35 wizzyrea ok then
02:36 dcook The first one was a change to kohastructure.sql that |I made... also a missing comma :p
02:36 dcook wizzyrea: Yeah, it looks like it's fixed in master
02:36 dcook This code is just a bit behind the times
02:38 wizzyrea :) it happens
02:38 dcook Haven't worked on koha in a while..
02:38 dcook Shuldn't be right now either but just wanted to get this one thing done..
02:40 dcook Also, hi wizzyrea ^_^
02:41 wizzyrea hi :)
02:55 dcook Huzzah, just packaged libslack's daemon for openSUSE
02:55 dcook I don't know why more distros don't have it O_O
02:55 * dcook has been on a RPM packaging bende rlately
02:55 dcook bender lately*
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07:04 morgane hi #koha!
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07:44 drojf morning #koha
07:45 LibraryClaire morning #koha
07:45 LibraryClaire morning drojf
07:45 drojf hi LibraryClaire
07:45 drojf @wunder txl
07:45 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Rue du Capitaine Jean Maridor, Berlin, Germany is 16.1°C (9:35 AM CEST on August 01, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
07:46 LibraryClaire @wunder LCY
07:46 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 16.0°C (8:20 AM BST on August 01, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
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07:47 * magnuse waves
07:47 drojf hei magnuse
07:47 magnuse moin drojf!
07:47 drojf holidays over?
07:48 magnuse yup
07:48 drojf did you have a good time?
07:48 magnuse well, two weeks of work now, then a couple more weeks of holiday
07:48 magnuse oh yes!
07:48 magnuse very relaxing
07:48 drojf :)
07:49 magnuse and yourself?
07:50 LibraryClaire hi magnuse
07:52 magnuse hiya LibraryClaire
07:54 drojf magnuse: would love some holidays, not very relaxed ;)
07:55 drojf but i hope it will get more quiet now as all other people start their holidays
07:56 magnuse hehe, probably
07:56 magnuse july is the common holiday month in norway - it was very quiet
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07:59 magnuse kia ora cait!
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08:31 magnuse kia ora paul_p
08:43 * cait waves
08:44 magnuse \o/
08:49 magnuse @wunder boo
08:49 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 13.0°C (10:20 AM CEST on August 01, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady).
08:54 * LibraryClaire waves
08:55 * cait waves back
08:56 * ashimema_ ducks
08:57 * drojf jumps
08:59 cait oh
08:59 cait an ashimema! :)
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09:01 LibraryClaire hi ashimema
09:02 ashimema :)
09:02 * cait resists the urge to make a joke about rare pokemons
09:02 cait ... or maybe not quite
09:02 ashimema lol
09:02 * drojf prefers them cooked
09:02 ashimema the light at the end of the tunnel is slow growing bigger..
09:02 * cait throws a pokeball at ashimema
09:03 ashimema still a month or so off before I reach the other end and get to come back to koha.
09:03 ashimema it's been a big dark cave I for far too long :(
09:03 magnuse hang in there!
09:03 cait as long as you come back... i can't stand losing another person anytime soon
09:03 ashimema another?
09:03 ashimema have I missed someone leaving?
09:03 cait nengard and pianohacker
09:03 magnuse nengard pianohacker...
09:03 ashimema oh now..
09:03 ashimema really
09:03 magnuse well, they do say they will be around...
09:04 ashimema going to greener pastures?
09:04 cait nengard to redhat
09:04 cait not sure about pianohacker - but I know he has a new job
09:05 ashimema didn't he have a bunch of pretty big features in the works
09:09 cait bywater is still there - I think someone else will probably have to take over
09:11 magnuse pianohacker wrote in his "moving on" email to koha-devel: "taking a job with a local web application shop"
09:33 eythian @wunder ams
09:33 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 19.6°C (11:22 AM CEST on August 01, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
09:38 Joubu cait: on bug 6934 comment 94 you wrote that you got the "used only once: possible typo" warnings. You should update your qa-tools repo ;)
09:38 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6934 enhancement, P3, ---, bouzid.fergani, Signed Off , New report Cash Register Statistics
09:39 cait Joubu: thx for the hint :) will try to do that later
09:39 cait do you understand the active transactions?
09:42 Joubu cait: I have not looked at the code. I do not plan to QA it
09:42 cait aw.
09:42 cait it seems we have vacation time and things are slow in general
09:43 cait I was wondering if we shoudl try for a qa sprint/gbsd... but not sure there are people :)
09:57 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16573 - DBRev <[…]550d5fde2221f5d94> / Bug 16573: Define virtualshelves.created_on as datetime for existing installs <[…]c9ab65b1e6cf69c5b> / Bug 16573: change created_on type - atomic update <;
10:05 Joubu could someone confirm that there is a bug when uninstalling a koha plugin?
10:19 Joubu @later tell tcohen D8 is failing because of Sereal missing. But wait for the second patch of bug 16715 (we need libsereal-decoder-perl and libsereal-encoder-perl instead)
10:19 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
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10:24 Joubu cait: do you want to have another look at 11360?
10:31 drojf @wunder txl
10:31 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Rue du Capitaine Jean Maridor, Berlin, Germany is 22.5°C (12:30 PM CEST on August 01, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
10:46 cait bug 11360
10:46 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11360 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Disable barcode field and submit button when a hold is found
10:46 cait Joubu: if you wnat to pass it that's ok for me - otherwise i can take a look
10:47 cait sorry, was at lunch
10:57 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15397 - Pay selected does not works as expected <[…]127b9906930d46353>
11:30 magnuse Joubu++ for qa'ing bug 5456
11:30 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5456 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Passed QA , Create a link to
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11:46 oleonard Hi #koha
11:46 cait hi oleonard
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11:47 magnuse hi oleonard and meliss
11:48 meliss hi magnuse!
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11:48 marcelr hi #koha
11:50 * LibraryClaire waves
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12:15 oleonard Man, what is it with the Bugzilla spam this weekend?
12:16 drojf oleonard: hm?
12:16 drojf fake comments?
12:16 drojf or people working? :P
12:16 oleonard Spam bug reports
12:17 cait i tried to hide them
12:17 drojf oh :/
12:17 oleonard 16998, 16999, 16997, 17002
12:17 oleonard cait++
12:17 cait as best as i could - set the comments private and changed the titles
12:17 cait hope i caught them all
12:17 drojf no need to register on bz to post?
12:17 cait they do register ig uess
12:17 cait same problem we had on the wiki
12:18 cait @later tell rangi can you block in bugzilla?
12:18 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
12:23 Joubu luckily they did not get 17000!
12:23 cait heh :)
12:23 cait bug 17000
12:23 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=17000 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Patron Modification log access permission
12:23 cait valid
12:24 cait btw - can someone take another look at the patron modification bug?
12:24 cait Joubu: i got problems installing Sereal and was told you were working on something, do you ahve the bug number by chance?
12:26 Joubu cait: last patch of bug 16715
12:26 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16715 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Signed Off , Koha::Cache - Use Sereal for serialization
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12:26 cait aah
12:26 cait i missed that - will try to test it :)
12:26 cait my immedaite solution to the problem was testing with the Sereal patch reverted out *hides*
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12:43 tcohen buen día #koha
12:43 drojf hola tcohen
12:43 tcohen hi drojf
12:43 LibraryClaire hi tcohen
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12:44 tcohen hi Joubu
12:45 Joubu tcohen: o/
12:45 tcohen \o
12:45 magnuse o/
12:45 drojf \o/
12:46 drojf if we stop working on koha, we could be awesome airport staff
12:47 drojf or a dance group
12:47 LibraryClaire like the village people?
12:48 * LibraryClaire waves arms around
12:48 magnuse ~o~
12:49 LibraryClaire :D
12:49 * drojf grabs fake mustache
12:51 tcohen hehehe
12:57 cait lol
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14:03 oleonard khall: Bug 16310 says "pushed to master" but it doesn't look like it really was.
14:03 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16310 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove the use of "onclick" from audio alerts template
14:03 khall oleonard: I'll check on that, maybe I was asleep at the wheel ; )
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14:16 drojf koha 15.5?
14:16 oleonard The number is correct in the body of the message. It's just a typo.
14:16 drojf ah ok
14:28 drojf why does OPACBaseURL want http(s) and staffClientBaseURL doesn't?
14:32 tcohen both should be split into proto (http/https) and base URL
14:32 cait hm not sure about splitting
14:32 cait might bemore confusing to people
14:34 drojf it's not gonna get more confusing than what we have now
14:34 drojf because it#s not consistent
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14:38 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16310 - Remove the use of "onclick" from audio alerts template <[…]3cf9e328a3cdce38d>
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15:13 morgane bye
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15:28 drojf how is the release team generated for the release notes? it seems to show the recent packaging manager (myself), but the last generation of bug wranglers (including myself). that's a little weird
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15:43 Joubu drojf: see[…]ols.git;a=summary
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16:00 cait hm ithink it#s some kind of include file
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16:54 oleonard On the list of authorized values you may not know you can use because it's not loaded by default: MANUAL_INV
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18:07 eythian drojf: oh, if you want a fun project, I always wanted to turn the release notes into debian changelog
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20:23 rangi morning
20:24 rangi cait: i can delete the user, there is no block thing though
20:24 cait maybe delete?
20:25 rangi i have to find and delete all comments and bugs and stuff etc before i can do that too
20:25 rangi do you have a list of bugs?
20:26 rangi nvm found them
20:26 cait should all have Spam as a atitle
20:30 rangi gone
20:33 cait thx!
20:33 cait rangi++
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21:32 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
21:32 mtompset @later tell mveron Thanks for 16978 signoff. Find a side bug. :(
21:32 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded.
21:33 mtompset I have an issue I'd like someone else to confirm. Anyone got time for a quick 5 minute check?
21:34 pastebot "mtompset" at pasted "Serious permissions bug!" (10 lines) at
21:35 cait i think we need a native speaker on bug 13796 to resolve a wording question
21:35 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13796 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Alert in OPAC when renewing an item with a rental charge
21:38 mtompset The problem is when you are dealing with something which is going to hit multiple translations with variable values, you really want multiple language speakers' input.
21:39 mtompset It's a really piece of ugly but necessary output.
21:39 mtompset ugly in the sense of "how do you format this information?"
21:39 mtompset Greetings, cait. :)
21:40 cait i think the translation will be ok
21:40 cait we get placeholders to move around in any case - mveron takes care of that
21:40 mtompset Do you have time to run those steps I suggested in my paste above, cait? It's really quick.
21:41 cait finishing something else first
21:41 cait i can try then
21:41 mtompset Okay.
21:41 mtompset Thank you. :)
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21:54 cait mtompset: i tried with updatecharges
21:54 cait it#s behaving correctly
21:54 mtompset but then why is my display blank the second time I go back into set permissions?
21:54 cait check updatecharges - save - uncheck reamining permissions  - save - open again - resave - all good
21:55 cait maybe it#s specific to the reports?
21:55 mtompset home -> patron -> {chose Admin, Koha}
21:55 cait something not quite right with the database?
21:55 mtompset -- no it isn't.
21:55 mtompset -- that's a possibility.
21:55 mtompset I'll dump and force a fresh install.
21:55 mtompset then recheck.
21:55 wizzyrea devbox?
21:55 wahanui rumour has it devbox is great for getting going quickly
21:56 wizzyrea there was a bug in older devboxes that caused permissions to be dumb
21:58 mtompset No, not devbox.
21:58 mtompset full git clone.
21:58 mtompset but perhaps same solution?
21:59 mtompset Nope... same problem.
21:59 mtompset log in with the system user, go to Koha Admin (since I choose all sample files)
21:59 wizzyrea cait: re 7520 idk why I feel weird about a public report
21:59 mtompset set permissions, because none of them are set...
21:59 mtompset chose circulate.
22:00 mtompset all set... come back in ... it's okay.
22:00 mtompset uncheck one of them.
22:00 mtompset save, come back in... nothing is set.
22:00 wizzyrea maybe because you'd always have to know the number and/or a librarian could accidentally delete it?
22:00 wizzyrea are they saved in the database?
22:00 mtompset Yes.
22:00 mtompset Full Sample Data.
22:00 wizzyrea so the display is wrong?
22:01 wizzyrea errors in the js console?
22:01 mtompset Let me chck.
22:01 wizzyrea (though I bet if you clicked save now, the perms you set would be blanked out)
22:02 wizzyrea plack?
22:02 wahanui Plack is a FastCGI thingy that works with Koha. See for more information.
22:02 mtompset no errors in the js console.
22:02 mtompset wizzyrea: I don't know how to set up place.
22:03 mtompset plack.
22:03 wizzyrea that rules that out :)
22:03 mtompset This is an ANCIENT.... full git
22:03 wizzyrea are you checked out on master or a particular bug?
22:03 wizzyrea do you have a pristine master branch?
22:04 mtompset 16978... good idea... let's try this against master.
22:04 * mtompset shouts, "RESET IT ALLLLL!"
22:05 wizzyrea :) I keep a clean master branch for this reason hehe
22:05 mtompset huge git pull on my master branch.
22:05 wizzyrea O.O
22:06 mtompset 23MB.
22:06 mtompset C4/Accounts? Mmm... we'll see.
22:07 cait i tink that's about money
22:07 cait accountlines
22:07 wahanui accountlines is, like, the table
22:08 mtompset okay... nothing looks like it... anyways... doing webinstall now...
22:09 mtompset nope... same problem.
22:09 mtompset I choose to uncheck "forced_checkout" this time.
22:10 mtompset how many tables do you have in your DB? I have 181.
22:10 mtompset use koha_library;
22:10 mtompset show tables;
22:12 mtompset wizzyrea? cait?
22:13 wizzyrea hm
22:13 wizzyrea 181
22:14 mtompset okay... so my fresh install is not failing in that regard.
22:14 mtompset (drop database koha_library; create database koha_library; quit; -- then run web install steps full sample data)
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22:15 * mtompset takes 15-20 minute break to pick up brother from work.
22:16 cait here is some javascrit at work on that page
22:16 cait maybe something there
22:22 wizzyrea I just used your steps mtompset, it works for me
22:22 wizzyrea do you have anything in your intranetuserjs?
22:34 mtompset Okay... back...
22:34 mtompset No, it's a blank DB.
22:34 mtompset drop database, create database, run web install.
22:36 mtompset I'm going to screen cast this...
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22:42 wizzyrea just for kicks
22:42 wizzyrea have you cleared your cache/cookies lately?
22:43 wizzyrea and/or cleared memcached if you are using it
22:43 wizzyrea (but I bet you are not)
22:48 mtompset oh get this...
22:48 mtompset You are not going to believe the cause.
22:48 mtompset Something stupidly obvious.
22:48 wizzyrea oh I probably will :)
22:48 wizzyrea go on then
22:48 mtompset mixed checks don't work for a SYSTEM USER.
22:49 wizzyrea oh like the koha admin?
22:49 mtompset exactly.
22:49 wizzyrea haha
22:49 wizzyrea that's not super obvious
22:49 mtompset But if I superlibrarian one...
22:49 wizzyrea but that is why we discourage that
22:49 wizzyrea lol
22:49 mtompset and then log in as that person...
22:49 mtompset all is good.
22:49 wizzyrea excellent. :)
22:50 mtompset But now I want to know why mixed doesn't work for system users. :P
22:51 cait =
22:51 cait ?
22:51 rangi becayse you are never ever ever supposed to use that user
22:51 rangi except to make a real one
22:51 rangi it says it right there :)
22:51 cait that user has no permissions to be set - that's wh i am confused
22:51 cait there i sno patron account
22:51 cait ah... being one to add the permisions
22:51 cait i should sleep :)
22:52 cait night all
22:52 wahanui goodnight cait. You'll be back.
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22:52 mtompset True, rangi... but sometimes laziness bites you in the butt. :)
22:53 mtompset But if setting permissions works for setting the superlibrarian or other full permission blocks, why don't the granular permissions work.
22:54 mtompset plus... I was just trying to understand the permission system, so I could write the necessary SQL query for bug 16978
22:54 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16978 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Failed QA , Add delete reports user permission
22:54 wizzyrea i mean you're welcome to go down that rabbit hole but I suspect if you went about fixing it you'd get pushback
22:54 wizzyrea because making it work encourages people to use it
22:55 wizzyrea and people shouldn't use it
22:55 wizzyrea and we haven't come up with a great solution to the problem yet.
22:55 wizzyrea the problem being "give a user to a newly installed koha that works out of the box"
22:56 wizzyrea but a new user is dependent on lots of stuff, like borrower categories and branchcodes
22:56 wizzyrea some of which are not installed when Koha is.
22:57 wizzyrea (by default, on purpose)
22:57 mtompset Right, I know.
22:57 mtompset Perhaps we should purposefully prevent it?
22:57 mtompset system user can only set superlibrarian?
22:57 wizzyrea we put a huge warning on the home page :)
22:58 mtompset wizzyrea: yes, but no one reads. *sheesh* :P
22:58 wizzyrea ^.^
22:58 wizzyrea if you're going to do that
22:58 wizzyrea we should also check for things like "you don't have a branch defined, do that here"
22:58 wizzyrea and "you don't have borrower categories. Do that here"
22:59 mtompset Scope control. :P
22:59 wizzyrea in fact, we should just make an extension to the installer, where if someone doesn't select the optional branches and borrower categories, we prompt them to create some at install time.
22:59 mtompset Just a massive yellow warning here and only allow superlibrarian would be sufficient for this screen. :P
22:59 wizzyrea yeah but that's not acutally solving the problem :P
23:00 mtompset Then we should actually prompt for the first super librarian user....
23:00 mtompset AND all that other stuff you mentioned.
23:00 wizzyrea yep, if we made some kind of extension to the installer, we could just have them add a user then.
23:00 wizzyrea which I think is probably ideal.
23:00 wizzyrea oh and create your first circ rule.
23:01 mtompset Who says we do circulation? :P
23:01 wizzyrea onboarding, that's what it's called.
23:01 wizzyrea you can set it all to 0 if you want!
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23:40 mtompset the permissions system... *cringe* But I think I figured out the MySQL I need. :)
23:55 wizzyrea Why do we have database files that are mandatory, but able to be not installed. So confusing.
23:56 dcook :D

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