IRC log for #koha, 2016-07-05

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01:50 jcamins @later tell wizzyrea Boil watermelon long enough, and it will taste like candied sweet potato. It's very peculiar.
01:50 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
01:53 wizzyrea that sounds interesting
01:53 wizzyrea what compelled you to find this out?
01:54 jcamins Watermelon was inexpensive.
01:54 wizzyrea but why boil it?
01:54 jcamins Watermelon syrup for cookies!
01:54 jcamins Naturally. Why else? :P
01:54 wizzyrea hehe
01:55 wizzyrea my first reaction was
01:55 wizzyrea "naturally!"
01:55 wizzyrea o/*HIGHFIVE*\o
01:55 jcamins o/
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06:09 alex_a bonjour
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06:40 gaetan_B hello
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07:54 LibraryClaire morning #koha
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08:28 LibraryClaire @wunder LCY
08:28 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 18.0°C (9:20 AM BST on July 05, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
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08:36 atheia G'morning!
08:38 LibraryClaire morning atheia :)
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09:21 asgeirr After having created at MARC framework, is there any way I can make this my preferred framework? When I copy catalogue via Z39.50, the default framework is chosen unless I actively choose to use my new framework
09:33 drojf asgeirr: you can choose a framework when you hit the right side of the import via z39.50 button
09:34 drojf asgeirr: if you want to change the behaviour of the import button itself, you could probably do that with jquery
09:34 drojf i don't think there is a syspref to set it (may be wrong)
09:49 drojf is it just me, or is it not possible to delete intranetuserjs? it does not want to save if i clear the field
09:50 asgeirr drojf, thanks for your reply. I know I can choose it from the dropdown. I was wondering if there was any way it would be preferred without making the cataloguer make this choice every time.
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10:18 drojf asgeirr: you can do that with jquery. if there is an easier way i don't know it
10:24 pastebot "drojf" at pasted "asgeirr: change default z3950 import server" (12 lines) at
10:25 drojf asgeirr: something like that ^ there are probably several ways to do it
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11:15 drojf hi again
11:17 eythian hi drojf
11:17 eythian @wunder ams
11:17 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 16.3°C (1:13 PM CEST on July 05, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
11:18 eythian It's official, summer was on Sunday
11:18 drojf lol
11:18 drojf was it good?
11:18 eythian I was at a beer festival, so yeah
11:18 drojf great timing!
11:18 drojf "2016 i spent all summer at a beer festival" is a cool thing to say
11:19 eythian yep, it looked a bit risky a few days out.
11:19 eythian haha
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11:21 drojf rangi protected his twitter account. bad luck for lurkers without a proper account :/
11:21 drojf now i miss all the secrets
11:47 LibraryClaire @wunder LCY
11:47 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 19.0°C (12:20 PM BST on July 05, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
11:47 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
11:47 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 25.0°C (1:20 PM CEST on July 05, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling).
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11:54 oleonard Hi #koha
11:55 druthb Hi, oleonard.
11:55 drojf druthb!
11:55 drojf hi oleonard
11:55 druthb drojf! :D
11:56 druthb @wunder 77098
11:56 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Montrose (Mandell Place), Houston, Texas is 27.7°C (6:53 AM CDT on July 05, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect until 8 PM CDT this evening...
11:56 LibraryClaire hi oleonard
11:57 * oleonard wishes druthb happy air conditioning today
11:58 druthb :)  Gonna be toasty here.  With the humidity, it'll feel like up near 110F by mid-afternoon.
11:58 oleonard We had a rainy Fourth yesterday, but I'll take that over blazing hot any time
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11:59 druthb yeah.  It was wicked hot here, all weekend.
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12:26 oleonard When the $Price template plugin is used, should the currency symbol be displayed?
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12:56 tcohen hola #koha
12:57 drojf hi tcohen
12:58 tcohen hey drojf
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13:22 * tcohen hopes US friends had great time on their independence day holiday
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13:31 mveron Good afternoon / daytime #koha
13:50 drojf hi mveron
13:50 mveron hi drojf
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14:10 mveron @later tell Joubu : Test plan of Bug 16849 needs clarification (should a restriction prevent discharges?)
14:10 huginn mveron: The operation succeeded.
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15:19 bag morning
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16:25 TGoat hey #koha - can anyone tell me if a library currently using RFID can use the RFID UID in place of a barcode for an item? The library I'm speaking with doesn't want to use or create barcodes anymore and would like to consolidate down to just the RFID UID and not worry about adding barcodes anymore
16:26 druthb I would think so, TGoat, if the readers can handle that and treat 'em as if they were barcodes.
16:26 TGoat thank you druthb!
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17:58 kidclamp sql access
17:59 kidclamp stupid mouse drift
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18:53 tcohen anyone to talk about logging?
18:55 nengard logging is good ;)
18:55 tcohen it seems to me that every place we log stuff
18:55 tcohen we log (on the info field) the old thing
18:55 tcohen so, logging happens before the action takes place
18:55 * kidclamp only dresses like a lumberjack, is not a logger
18:56 tcohen on logging holds
18:56 tcohen does it hold'
18:56 tcohen ?
18:56 tcohen :-D
18:58 nengard hmmmm
18:59 nengard that's a good question ...
18:59 nengard I kind of wish it logged the before and the after on all logs
18:59 nengard but for holds - the before is 'not on hold' so what are you logging?
18:59 nengard for patrons we log 'adding'
18:59 nengard and for catlaoging and items too
18:59 tcohen nengard:
18:59 tcohen in that case, you would log the creation
18:59 nengard we log the addition of an item - so could it be the addition of a hold
18:59 tcohen that's not the case i'm thinking of
19:00 kidclamp what case tcohen?
19:00 tcohen i was looking at ModReserve
19:00 tcohen which (of course) modifies a reserve
19:00 nengard oh
19:00 nengard hmmm
19:00 tcohen you pass several params, what to change
19:00 nengard again i'd like to see the old and the new - i want to know that it used to be pick up at library b and now it's pick up at library a
19:01 tcohen ok
19:01 kidclamp I think you'd have to log the whole thing (or all the fields it can affect) or log the hold as is and all parameters passed in
19:02 pianohacker diff is easy to calculate for a basic hashref, that would be great for the logs
19:02 tcohen ModBiblio puts something like BEFORE=>
19:02 tcohen pianohacker++
19:03 tcohen do we have some lib for that already?
19:07 pianohacker hmm
19:09 tcohen how does the import diff work?
19:18 barton tcohen:
19:20 tcohen the import does it using a js lib
19:20 barton oh nevermind, that's doing a 'qx'
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19:26 pianohacker yeah
19:26 tcohen DBIx should have something
19:26 tcohen it knows the dirty values
19:26 pianohacker tcohen: hashref could be as simple as %new{grep {$old{$_} ne $new{$_}} keys %new}
19:27 tcohen -.-
19:29 pianohacker whaaaat
19:29 pianohacker don't perl at me in that tone of voice
19:31 tcohen hahahaa
19:42 barton my new goal in life is to get pianhacker to say that to me.
19:42 barton *pianohacker.
19:43 pianohacker oh, I have confidence you'll find a way
19:43 * barton would be even more impressed if -.- was valid perl.
19:45 pianohacker in perl 6 everything can find a waaaay
19:45 pianohacker concatenates the set difference of two strings or some nonsense
19:45 tcohen hahahahahahahaha
19:47 * tcohen leaves the oneliner as plan b, tries Text::Diff for now
19:58 tcohen later #koha
20:03 agoforth I'm working on migrating a library from a different ILS to Koha and I want to migrate the current fines and the checkout history for each patron. Is there a way to do that through the "official" import methods (like the "Import patrons" tool), or should I just write some Perl and/or SQL to insert them into the database?
20:04 pianohacker I don't think there's an official method for fines or checkout history... DB insertion is your best bet
20:04 pianohacker agoforth: one thing; if you're inserting into old_issues, you'll need to reset auto_increment on the issues table
20:08 agoforth What should it be reset to?
20:09 agoforth You mean reset the auto-increment counter on issue_id to 1?
20:13 agoforth As an alternative strategy, would it make sense to call AddIssue() and AddReturn() for each checkout and let Koha handle the details of the database?
20:13 pianohacker agoforth: too many moving parts for too little benefits
20:14 pianohacker agoforth: reset it to whatever the highest issue_id is in old_issues, plus 1
20:14 agoforth Okay, that makes sense.
20:17 agoforth Are there any other tables or gotchas I need to be aware of, or can I just insert into accountlines for the fines and issues and old_issues for the current and historical checkouts?
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20:34 eythian You can just add, it's how I always did it. The structure can get fiddly but isn't terrible.
20:55 agoforth Cool, thanks a lot for your help pianohacker and eythian. I appreciate it.
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