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bonjour |
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morning #koha |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
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wahanui |
privet, gaetan_B |
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drojf |
meeting in 2 hours? |
| 08:11 |
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cait |
yep |
| 08:11 |
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cait |
i might be a little late |
| 08:11 |
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cait |
drojf: could you chair if I don't make it on time? |
| 08:11 |
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cait |
I have another meeting at work before the koha meeting |
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drojf |
cait: depending on UPS i have to leave the office for half an hour at an unknown time :( somebody decided to not show up as planned yesterday |
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cait |
ah |
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drojf |
i have no idea when this will be |
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cait |
so i need to find a second backup :) |
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drojf |
i can start the meeting if its not Å•ight then |
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cait |
yep please do then |
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cait |
if i am late, it should not be by much |
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drojf |
they also decided to not answer my email and you need to agree to 100 (!) pages of terms and services to choose a deliver date, wtf |
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drojf |
dear kids at home, never use UPS |
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cait |
heh |
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sophie_m |
hello #koha |
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sophie_m |
I have difficulties to find release notes of old releases of Koha. Is there a way to have a list of those ? |
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cait |
here |
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cait |
sophie_m: did you look in koha itself? |
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cait |
sophie_m: which version are you missing? |
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cait |
sophie_m: the major releases relese notes are all shipped in master, the in between bugfixes in the branches i think |
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* Oak |
waves |
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ikourmou |
hello |
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wahanui |
bonjour, ikourmou |
| 10:01 |
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cait |
hi ikourmou :) |
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cait |
it's time |
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cait |
let's get started |
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ikourmou |
@cait: is it possible to discuss KohaCon16 a little bit later? |
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huginn |
ikourmou: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
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sophie_m |
cait : we are translating all release notes for our clients. Looking into Koha implies to checkout each release. Wouldn't it be possible to have a link on the release notes page in the wiki with the old releases ? |
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cait |
maybe something for the meeting :) |
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cait |
#startmeeting General IRC meeting 6 April 2016 |
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huginn |
Meeting started Wed Apr 6 10:02:49 2016 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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huginn |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
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Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 6 April 2016) |
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huginn |
The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_6_april_2016' |
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mveron |
Hi #koha |
| 10:02 |
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cait |
#topic Introductions |
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wahanui |
#info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
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Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 6 April 2016) |
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ikourmou |
I have a meeting with the University Dean right now, but I also want to inform you on the Kohacon preparation progress |
| 10:03 |
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cait |
please introduce yourself with #info, followuing wahanui's example |
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drojf |
#info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, Germany |
| 10:03 |
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cait |
ikourmou: if we do kohacon first, would that work for you? |
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mveron |
#info Marc Véron, marc veron ag, Allschwil, Switzerland |
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drojf |
hi mveron |
| 10:03 |
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cait |
#info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
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LibraryClaire |
#info Claire Gravely, UAL, UK |
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ikourmou |
I would be glad if we could talk about it in an hour or so... |
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Oak |
#info Arslan Farooq, Islamabad, Pakistan |
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davidnind |
#info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand |
| 10:03 |
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cait |
ikourmou: i can push it to the end, but not sure it will last an hour this time :) |
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thd |
#info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 10:04 |
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cait |
mabe come back and people interested will still be around? |
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drojf |
we can make it last an hour :P |
| 10:04 |
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cait |
#link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ting_6_April_2016 |
| 10:04 |
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ikourmou |
#info Giannis Kourmoulis, AUTh, Greece |
| 10:04 |
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ikourmou |
ok, thanks. I will try to be back ASAP |
| 10:04 |
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cait |
ok :) |
| 10:05 |
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cait |
let's wait for 2 more minutes then move |
| 10:05 |
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cait |
on |
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* drojf |
throws coffee at bag |
| 10:06 |
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cait |
drojf: he won't attend - 3 am :) |
| 10:06 |
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drojf |
more coffee!1 |
| 10:07 |
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cait |
kidclamp: #info! :) |
| 10:07 |
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kidclamp |
#info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions |
| 10:07 |
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kidclamp |
morning cait |
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kidclamp |
and all |
| 10:07 |
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cait |
#topic Announcements |
| 10:07 |
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Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 6 April 2016) |
| 10:07 |
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cait |
so, any announcements? :) |
| 10:08 |
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Oak |
related to koha? |
| 10:08 |
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cait |
yes, or anything else that fits here |
| 10:09 |
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cait |
bag told me he thinks about having an ES bug sqash/test day |
| 10:09 |
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cait |
so keep an eye out for that |
| 10:09 |
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cait |
anything else? |
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wahanui |
well, anything else is just being crap |
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* drojf |
throws coffee at jajm |
| 10:10 |
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* drojf |
throws coffee all around ;) |
| 10:11 |
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cait |
aggressive germans... :) |
| 10:11 |
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cait |
ok, moving on |
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drojf |
nooo. coffee is love :) |
| 10:11 |
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cait |
#topic Update on releases |
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Topic for #koha is now Update on releases (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 6 April 2016) |
| 10:11 |
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cait |
one sec, looking for a link |
| 10:13 |
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cait |
#info Freeze dates for 16.05 have been set: Feature freeze - April 28th and Release on May 26 |
| 10:13 |
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cait |
#link http://lists.koha-community.or[…]March/042559.html |
| 10:13 |
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cait |
the queues are looking ok'ish right now |
| 10:13 |
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cait |
but there is a lot stuck in failed qa |
| 10:13 |
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cait |
and also a lot of nice things waiting for sign-off |
| 10:14 |
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cait |
Needs Signoff - 136, 20 bugs |
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cait |
Failed QA - 251 |
| 10:14 |
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cait |
Patch Doesn't apply - 82 |
| 10:14 |
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cait |
GBSD went well I think - thx everyone for attending! :) |
| 10:15 |
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cait |
anything else people woud like to add? |
| 10:16 |
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cait |
drojf: more coffee throwing please! |
| 10:16 |
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cait |
moving on |
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kidclamp |
:-) |
| 10:16 |
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cait |
#topic Hackfest in Berlin |
| 10:16 |
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Topic for #koha is now Hackfest in Berlin (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 6 April 2016) |
| 10:16 |
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cait |
drojf: ? |
| 10:16 |
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Oak |
white shirt here, cait! |
| 10:17 |
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drojf |
i got ~10 registrations so far and another two or three pending (of up to ~20), which is pretty cool |
| 10:17 |
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cait |
#link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]lin_Hackfest_2016 |
| 10:17 |
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drojf |
apart from that… we got the catmandu workshop, we might have a workshop or talk about ILL if atheia can join us |
| 10:17 |
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drojf |
(maybe magnuse would like to tell something about the norway part too if he can attend?) |
| 10:17 |
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cait |
#info 10 registrations so far |
| 10:17 |
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cait |
#info catmandu workshop will happen, other workshops pending |
| 10:18 |
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drojf |
i think that is it basically |
| 10:18 |
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cait |
will you advertise on the german mailing list too? |
| 10:18 |
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drojf |
yes. did not get to that yet |
| 10:18 |
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drojf |
but i will |
| 10:18 |
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thd |
Any plans to record informational presentations from HackFest? |
| 10:18 |
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cait |
I sent the link to a few people - but i think we can get to 20 easily :) |
| 10:19 |
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drojf |
i think there will be more demand than places easily |
| 10:20 |
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cait |
is 20 a super hard limit? |
| 10:21 |
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drojf |
no. there maybe be options for a few more, but not all in one room then |
| 10:21 |
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drojf |
depending on the weather there is a terrace we can use and i might talk my office mates into sharing that too |
| 10:21 |
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cait |
cool |
| 10:21 |
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drojf |
but i would look into that once it is relevant |
| 10:22 |
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cait |
yeha makes sense |
| 10:22 |
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* cait |
will be attending :) |
| 10:22 |
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drojf |
thd: you mean audio/video? that is not planned |
| 10:22 |
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drojf |
i think we got nz, usa, italy, hopefully uk and maybe norway so far. well and germany of course |
| 10:23 |
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thd |
drojf: Yes, I mean more or less impromptu introductions to something as tend to occur at hackfests. |
| 10:23 |
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cait |
drojf: netherlands? |
| 10:23 |
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drojf |
ah right, still count eythian as nz :D |
| 10:24 |
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cait |
an incomplete list canbe found here: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_is_arriving_when |
| 10:24 |
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drojf |
that is very incomplete |
| 10:24 |
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cait |
yeah, people should add themselves :) |
| 10:25 |
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cait |
i think everyone can tell... i am very excited about this event - and also about kohacon, but we will talk about that later when ikourmou is back |
| 10:25 |
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drojf |
thd: i do not really have equipment for that. if there are presentations (like slides and stuff) i guess that can be shared |
| 10:25 |
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cait |
if we take any notes/draw up something that could be shared too |
| 10:26 |
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cait |
anything else? |
| 10:26 |
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wahanui |
somebody said anything else was just being crap |
| 10:26 |
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drojf |
i think that is all |
| 10:26 |
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thd |
People seldom have anything as formal as slides for hackfest introductions to some technical issues. Anything that might ... |
| 10:26 |
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drojf |
for now |
| 10:27 |
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cait |
#chair drojf |
| 10:27 |
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huginn |
Current chairs: cait drojf |
| 10:27 |
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thd |
help with sharing useful stuff more widely would be good. |
| 10:27 |
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drojf |
thd: if people take notes and want to make them public we can put them in the wiki |
| 10:28 |
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drojf |
but i can't promise anything, it depends on the people taking part :) |
| 10:28 |
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thd |
drojf: Of course ;) |
| 10:28 |
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drojf |
i hope we got some kind of writeuo in the end to see what we have done :) |
| 10:28 |
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drojf |
writeup |
| 10:29 |
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* cait |
can try to help with that |
| 10:29 |
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drojf |
so we skip kohacon 16? |
| 10:29 |
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cait |
but maybe poke me/remind me about it |
| 10:30 |
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cait |
i think we skip kohacon16 for now and see when ikourmou comes back |
| 10:30 |
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drojf |
yep |
| 10:30 |
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cait |
moving on |
| 10:30 |
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cait |
#topic Rules for announcements to the main mailinglist |
| 10:30 |
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Topic for #koha is now Rules for announcements to the main mailinglist (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 6 April 2016) |
| 10:30 |
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drojf |
we could have done kohacon 17 ;) |
| 10:31 |
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drojf |
anyway |
| 10:31 |
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drojf |
my notes are gone |
| 10:31 |
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cait |
hm? |
| 10:31 |
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drojf |
simple question is, do we want some kind of rules for recurring announcements on the mailing list or do people not care? |
| 10:31 |
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| 10:32 |
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cait |
it seems ot have settled down a bit now |
| 10:32 |
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farooq |
hello |
| 10:32 |
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wahanui |
hola, farooq |
| 10:32 |
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drojf |
personally i think its a little much on a list with not too much traffic to have announcements for an event like every five days, as it happened lately. but that was probably the only event where that ever happened |
| 10:32 |
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farooq |
i m trying to import data.. in koha library system |
| 10:33 |
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cait |
hi farooq - we are having an irc meeting right now - can you please come back with your question in half an hour or so? |
| 10:33 |
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thd |
What kind of rules has anyone thought might be necessary or helpful. |
| 10:33 |
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drojf |
and i know i am easily annoyed by such things, basically i'd like to know if others are too or if i just filter such things when they happen |
| 10:33 |
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cait |
you can of course stay and listen in |
| 10:33 |
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ikourmou |
I'm back |
| 10:33 |
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farooq |
ok sure |
| 10:33 |
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farooq |
thank you |
| 10:33 |
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cait |
i think that case was a little annoying, but maybe don't need a rule yet |
| 10:34 |
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drojf |
thd: something simple like "do not repeat announcements more often than every 2 weeks" or somehting like that |
| 10:34 |
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cait |
and see if that is a repeeating thing |
| 10:35 |
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drojf |
we are not really many people today anyway, maybe i send the question to the list instead |
| 10:35 |
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thd |
Anyone announcing something every five days where the interval seems disproportionate might simply be sent a simple private reminder about being more polite on a fairly low traffic list. |
| 10:35 |
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davidnind |
I tend to filter, but I think the recent example was probably a "one off" (hopefully) |
| 10:35 |
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kidclamp |
thd +1 |
| 10:36 |
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thd |
If there has only been one incident that people can site of something without grave harm, making rules at this point would seem to be overkill. |
| 10:36 |
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drojf |
thd: i sent a reminder and got a snarky remark |
| 10:36 |
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drojf |
like "its different info now" which was not true |
| 10:36 |
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drojf |
which i found even more annoying |
| 10:36 |
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drojf |
and then they switched the person sending it |
| 10:36 |
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cait |
ok, seems there is soem tendency to not 'rule' it for now, but also that it is in fact annoying if it happens more often? |
| 10:37 |
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drojf |
the problem with filterin is, you miss the point where it is annoying for everyone |
| 10:37 |
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thd |
How 'moderated' is the Koha list currently? |
| 10:37 |
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drojf |
but i am not the list admin, so… |
| 10:38 |
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cait |
thd: to my knowledge not moderated if you are subscribed |
| 10:38 |
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drojf |
thd: i think "not". only mails that are not on the list are moderated, otherwise i don't remember any interference |
| 10:39 |
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thd |
There have been triggers for moderation in the past for too many CCs. |
| 10:39 |
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thd |
Usually examined and passed with some delay. |
| 10:39 |
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drojf |
ok so we wait and see if it happens again and leave it for now? |
| 10:39 |
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cait |
and back you up next time it happens |
| 10:40 |
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davidnind |
okay with me |
| 10:40 |
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drojf |
so, kohacon then? |
| 10:40 |
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thd |
Even a rule for this annoying incident would need some work to achieve the intended effect if people are ignoring a polite request for politeness. |
| 10:41 |
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cait |
#info wait and see if there are more repeated announcements, leaving it for now |
| 10:41 |
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cait |
yes |
| 10:41 |
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cait |
#topic KohaCon16 |
| 10:41 |
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Topic for #koha is now KohaCon16 (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 6 April 2016) |
| 10:41 |
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cait |
ikourmou: please start :) |
| 10:41 |
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drojf |
thd: if there is a rule (or at least i know there are others that think its annoying) it is easier to ask people to stop |
| 10:41 |
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drojf |
otherwise its maybe just me ;) |
| 10:41 |
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ikourmou |
ok, thanks for waiting for me! |
| 10:41 |
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ikourmou |
We have just published the program |
| 10:42 |
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ikourmou |
http://kohacon2016.lib.auth.gr/?page_id=2417 |
| 10:42 |
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drojf |
oops i think i missed the deadline for the final abstract |
| 10:42 |
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ikourmou |
we have 170 people registered already |
| 10:42 |
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cait |
#link http://kohacon2016.lib.auth.gr/?page_id=2417 |
| 10:43 |
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cait |
very cool, might be the biggest one so far |
| 10:43 |
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ikourmou |
We seem to be reaching the venue limits... |
| 10:43 |
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drojf |
how many people can get in? i thought you said ~175? |
| 10:43 |
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cait |
you might have to account for a few people not showing up - it seems that was some factor in the past |
| 10:43 |
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ikourmou |
and the registrations deadline is the 22nd of April |
| 10:43 |
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ikourmou |
yes, it's about 175 |
| 10:44 |
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drojf |
will you have a wait list once its full? |
| 10:44 |
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davidnind |
a nice "problem" to have! |
| 10:44 |
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cait |
#info deadline for registrations i April 22nd |
| 10:44 |
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drojf |
there will probably people cancellinhg |
| 10:44 |
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drojf |
*be |
| 10:45 |
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cait |
or not cancelling - from what i remember in argentina and reno some just didn't show ... so it might be ok to add a little on top |
| 10:45 |
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ikourmou |
yes, we think that even if 200 people register, we could manage |
| 10:45 |
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drojf |
yeah that is a problem with free events |
| 10:45 |
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drojf |
not everyone will be in all the time |
| 10:45 |
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ikourmou |
we don't have any particular problems on the preparation side |
| 10:46 |
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ikourmou |
I think it goes well so far |
| 10:46 |
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drojf |
what are your next actions? |
| 10:46 |
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drojf |
to obvious things seem to be covered |
| 10:46 |
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farooq |
sorry, i need some urgent solution if possible.. i m getting following error, when i try to upload .mrc file to import data in koha......... error: Upload failed -- unable to store file on server |
| 10:46 |
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ikourmou |
We are going to update the program with abstracts and bios... |
| 10:46 |
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ikourmou |
as soon as we have them |
| 10:47 |
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drojf |
ikourmou: i still have to send that |
| 10:47 |
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drojf |
will do it today |
| 10:47 |
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ikourmou |
we are communicating with our sponsors |
| 10:47 |
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drojf |
farooq: sorry, but we are in a meeting |
| 10:47 |
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ikourmou |
and try to arrange coffee breaks, meals etc |
| 10:47 |
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cait |
how is the call for sponsors going in general? |
| 10:48 |
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cait |
did your receive enough funds for the basics yet? or is there a lot missing? |
| 10:48 |
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ikourmou |
we will probably be able to cover the budget |
| 10:48 |
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cait |
#info program to be updated with abstracts and bios soon |
| 10:48 |
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farooq |
ok.. sorry for interruption... pls help me to fix it as you come back.. thank you for replying |
| 10:49 |
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cait |
ikourmou: so things are ok? |
| 10:49 |
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ikourmou |
and provide coffee breaks / lunch / etc for free |
| 10:49 |
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cait |
cool |
| 10:49 |
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ikourmou |
yes! |
| 10:49 |
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davidnind |
great |
| 10:49 |
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LibraryClaire |
:) |
| 10:50 |
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thd |
For people travelling from the US, I noted some significantly lower air fares especially on KLM in the last couple of weeks which were not available previously. [Unfortunately, while the price is reasonable for me I cannot now make the schedule commitment for travel but will work on Koha from home.] |
| 10:50 |
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ikourmou |
is there anything that you want to point out? or comment? |
| 10:51 |
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cait |
any ideas about the day trip yet? |
| 10:51 |
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ikourmou |
not something particular, justo thoughts: |
| 10:51 |
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cait |
and a general thank you to everyone involved in organizing! I |
| 10:52 |
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ikourmou |
we could visit archaeological sites |
| 10:53 |
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ikourmou |
or go for a day trip to the sea |
| 10:53 |
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ikourmou |
or a combination of both |
| 10:53 |
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cait |
:) |
| 10:53 |
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ikourmou |
we are open to suggestions though |
| 10:53 |
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cait |
i noticed there was no feedback mail for registration... but i think all is good anyway? |
| 10:53 |
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cait |
with places filling up i suddenly start to worry a little :) |
| 10:54 |
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ikourmou |
yes, we plan to do this: |
| 10:54 |
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ikourmou |
by the end of next week we will send a mail to everyone registered... |
| 10:54 |
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ikourmou |
with info about the program... |
| 10:55 |
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ikourmou |
and asking people who will not be able to make it to Thessaloniki to let us know |
| 10:55 |
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cait |
sounds good |
| 10:55 |
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ikourmou |
It's gonna be a week before deadline |
| 10:56 |
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cait |
#info an info email about the schedule will be send to people registered, also asking to let the organizers know if attending is not possible |
| 10:56 |
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ikourmou |
that's all from me :-) |
| 10:56 |
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cait |
thx ikourmou - great update |
| 10:56 |
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cait |
any more questions? |
| 10:56 |
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drojf |
no. but excited to go :) |
| 10:57 |
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LibraryClaire |
looking forward to it :) |
| 10:57 |
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cait |
yeah me too :) |
| 10:57 |
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cait |
ok, moving on? |
| 10:57 |
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drojf |
+1 |
| 10:58 |
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cait |
#topic KohaCon17 |
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cait |
current proposals can be found here: |
| 10:58 |
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cait |
#link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]haCon17_Proposals |
| 10:58 |
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cait |
currently there are 2 entries |
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cait |
oen from the philippines and one from ireland |
| 10:59 |
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cait |
is anyone here for the proposals? |
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drojf |
i think we can skip the bids until we fix a voting date? |
| 11:00 |
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drojf |
as long as there are no new ones |
| 11:00 |
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cait |
probably |
| 11:01 |
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cait |
we could also send another reminder as soon as a deadline has beens et |
| 11:01 |
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cait |
set |
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drojf |
not much going to happen before i guess |
| 11:01 |
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thd |
Have we decided to exclude a consecutive KohaCon in the same continent? |
| 11:01 |
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cait |
did we agree on a deadline yet? |
| 11:02 |
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drojf |
cait: i think we did at least vaguely in some past meeting. but i don't remember what it was |
| 11:02 |
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cait |
me neither |
| 11:02 |
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cait |
thd: also a good question |
| 11:03 |
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cait |
ther eis this page |
| 11:03 |
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cait |
#link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]onference_Bidding |
| 11:04 |
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cait |
hm nothing clear there i think, more suggestion |
| 11:04 |
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cait |
s |
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kidclamp |
gotta run |
| 11:05 |
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cait |
i think there was some agreement on not having the same continent for 2 years after the con was there |
| 11:05 |
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thd |
I remember discussing a rule and maybe voting on the principle. |
| 11:06 |
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cait |
what we coudl do is |
| 11:06 |
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cait |
- discuss a wording |
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cait |
- add it to vote on the next meeting |
| 11:06 |
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thd |
Such a rule would need an exception for a case of no bids available to satisfy the rule in a particular year. |
| 11:06 |
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cait |
true |
| 11:06 |
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cait |
but it hink with koh agrowing that could be less and less a problem |
| 11:07 |
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cait |
i would ike to have 2 places to pick from next vote |
| 11:07 |
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cait |
at least |
| 11:08 |
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thd |
I am surprised there are not more bids and more repeat bids previously unsuccessful bidders despite the work involved in hosting. |
| 11:08 |
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cait |
well i always think it's nicer to have a vote :) but there might be cases where it won't happen |
| 11:08 |
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thd |
s/previously/from previously/ |
| 11:09 |
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cait |
would someone volunteer to write something up for the next agenda? |
| 11:09 |
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cait |
or how shoudl we handle this? |
| 11:10 |
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thd |
I will try to form a coherent statement for the agenda. |
| 11:10 |
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cait |
thx htd |
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cait |
#action thd to add a coherent statement for the next agenda with the option to have the vote then on 'content rotation' |
| 11:10 |
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cait |
moving on? |
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cait |
is there someone around from the international fund? |
| 11:11 |
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drojf |
hey |
| 11:11 |
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cait |
hm? |
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drojf |
i wanted to give people a small homework |
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drojf |
regarding voting options |
| 11:11 |
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drojf |
or that will never be started |
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cait |
ok |
| 11:12 |
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drojf |
there are four basic options that i tried to outline in the wiki, based on our disussion at the last vote. it would be good to move this forward slowly without using much meeting time today. so… |
| 11:12 |
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drojf |
i propose everyone _reads_ in the wiki (link following) about the four options until next meeting and we _decide_ if we want to have seperate "maybe" and "no" options next time. that still leaves room to add more elaborated voting options if anyone feels like it, but we slowly start working on it. does that make sense? |
| 11:12 |
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thd |
A discussion on the mailing list has not happened yet. |
| 11:13 |
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drojf |
then reading that is a good start i guess? |
| 11:13 |
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thd |
I may not start that discussion but I will try to find it if someone else starts the discussion. |
| 11:13 |
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davidnind |
they look like good starting options to me, to get the ball rolling |
| 11:14 |
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drojf |
#action everyone: homework: read the four options for counting kohacon votes at https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ns#Counting_votes |
| 11:14 |
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drojf |
#action everyone: make up your mind if you want to have the option to choose between "maybe" and "no" (options 2 and 4). discuss on the mailinglist before if you like |
| 11:14 |
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cait |
i had the action all typed out... |
| 11:14 |
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drojf |
#info we will write a test about that next time |
| 11:14 |
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cait |
lol |
| 11:14 |
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drojf |
i did too |
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drojf |
:P |
| 11:14 |
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cait |
moving on ok now? |
| 11:14 |
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drojf |
yep |
| 11:14 |
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thd |
Evaluation of the relative merits of voting options requires more than merely reading the options. |
| 11:15 |
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cait |
#topic International Koha Fund - Draft Rules for THT Grants Committee |
| 11:15 |
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| 11:15 |
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thd |
Some of those options are especially vulnerable to strategic voting. |
| 11:15 |
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drojf |
thd: anything that has to happen _before_ reading it? |
| 11:15 |
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cait |
#info scheduled to be discussed today and voted on next meeting |
| 11:15 |
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cait |
#link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Fundraising |
| 11:15 |
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drojf |
thd: if no, i would still see this as the starting point, otherwise we will do nothing |
| 11:16 |
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thd |
drojf++ |
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cait |
I actually did my homework there and have some comments - but i can send them as an email if people want to |
| 11:16 |
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drojf |
nobody around? |
| 11:16 |
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cait |
doesn't seem like it :( |
| 11:16 |
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drojf |
i think we were to discuss today and vote next meeting? |
| 11:17 |
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cait |
yes, what i said above |
| 11:17 |
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drojf |
i'd like to hear the comments, but we lack a discussion partner taht is involved in the process then |
| 11:17 |
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cait |
i can be quick |
| 11:17 |
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cait |
1e Any one library, organisation or company (including a Listed Koha Support Company) may have only one principal, employee or contractor serve on the Committee at any given time. |
| 11:17 |
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cait |
i had to look up some of the words, so i hope i understood i all right |
| 11:18 |
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cait |
in this one i wonder about contractor |
| 11:18 |
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cait |
because the koha support companies and libraries contract /subcontract... |
| 11:18 |
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cait |
the definition is not clear to me |
| 11:19 |
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drojf |
good point |
| 11:19 |
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wahanui |
I know! The blade went right through that child! |
| 11:19 |
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drojf |
that should probably be defined in a clear way |
| 11:20 |
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cait |
in 3a it mentions 'proposals are invited in the current quarter' but the meetings are 'at least 2 times per year' - maybe a mismatch from a change at some point? |
| 11:21 |
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drojf |
good catch. seems to me like a revision error too |
| 11:21 |
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cait |
hm and in 3j is a reference to 3h that should be 3i - so that#s more of a typo |
| 11:22 |
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cait |
i think also an error that came from adding another paragraph in between |
| 11:22 |
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cait |
so i think the most debatable comment i have is about 'contractor' definition |
| 11:23 |
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cait |
becuase would that mean a library and it's support company can not have a representative at the same timeß |
| 11:23 |
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drojf |
this is how i understand it |
| 11:23 |
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cait |
or if one company uses development from another - woudl that be a contractor etc |
| 11:23 |
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drojf |
which means a library with several contractors could keep everyone out of it :P |
| 11:23 |
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cait |
it might be on purpose or a bad pick as a term in the koha context :) |
| 11:23 |
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cait |
nice trick heh |
| 11:24 |
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cait |
does anyone want to add something? |
| 11:24 |
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thd |
Would the conflict of interest rule against lobbying prevent people from advocating outside of deliberations for some reasonable idea? Would some qualification of what is meant by lobbying be better? |
| 11:24 |
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cait |
sorry, not sure i udnerstand |
| 11:26 |
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thd |
If a particular party has an interest in some outcome in which they may have an interest and would be necessarily barred from discussion and voting ... |
| 11:26 |
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cait |
is that 3? Whenever a member has a financial or personal interest in any matter coming before the Committee, the affected person shall a) fully disclose the nature of the interest and b) withdraw from discussion, lobbying, and voting on the matter unless a majority of disinterested members vote that it is in the best interest of the Fund to allow it. The minutes of meetings at which such votes are taken shall record such disclosures, abstentions or rational |
| 11:27 |
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cait |
i think they left an option there with the majority of disinterested members |
| 11:27 |
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thd |
should the same party also be barred from giving information advocating the merits of the idea. |
| 11:27 |
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thd |
Yes article 3. |
| 11:27 |
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cait |
hm there is also 2e: |
| 11:27 |
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cait |
2e Any member of the Committee who may receive financial benefit if a proposal is accepted must recuse themselves from voting on that proposal. Furthermore, they may receive no more opportunity to advocate for that proposal than any other proposer. |
| 11:28 |
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cait |
maybe there is a slight mismatch there between not receiving more time than others and 'withdraw totally' ? |
| 11:28 |
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thd |
2e clarifies. Thank you cait. ;) |
| 11:29 |
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drojf |
cait: thd: since nobody is available of the people in charge, would you send the concerns to the list? if we are supposed to vote in may we have to talk about it before. or do we wait for the committee to start a discussion on the list? |
| 11:29 |
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drojf |
(which i guess won't happen) |
| 11:30 |
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cait |
#action Koha Fund Fundraising Committee members - review full logs for discussion of the proposed document |
| 11:30 |
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thd |
Withdraw totally should conflict with 2e. Maybe that could be explicitly stated to not be the case in 3. |
| 11:30 |
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cait |
drojf: i can send a link to the discussion here |
| 11:30 |
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drojf |
excellent idea |
| 11:31 |
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cait |
@action cait to send a link to the fundraising discussion to the list |
| 11:31 |
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huginn |
cait: I suck |
| 11:31 |
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cait |
#action cait to send a link to the fundraising discussion to the list |
| 11:31 |
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cait |
i'd like to skip the next topic for today |
| 11:31 |
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cait |
an dmove on to setting a new date |
| 11:31 |
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drojf |
what is that? |
| 11:31 |
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wahanui |
i think that is the bueaty of the plugins :) |
| 11:32 |
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drojf |
the brainstorming? |
| 11:32 |
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cait |
brainstomring about sign offs |
| 11:32 |
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drojf |
personally, i doubt that there will ever be much brainstorming about this at the end of a general irc meeting. i propose to either move this to one of the mailing lists or form a group of people that try to come up with ideas outside of the meeting |
| 11:32 |
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drojf |
my brain is not storming after 1,5 to 2 hours of meeting, how about yours? |
| 11:32 |
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cait |
will you send an email to the mailing list? |
| 11:33 |
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cait |
yeah, the meetings tend to get a little too long recently |
| 11:33 |
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drojf |
the big one or the debv one? |
| 11:33 |
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cait |
#topic Brainstorming about sign-offs |
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| 11:33 |
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drojf |
i'd say dev |
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cait |
#info drojf to send an email to the mailing lists to move discussion there |
| 11:33 |
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drojf |
i can send an email |
| 11:33 |
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drojf |
hey i had not volunteered yet :P |
| 11:34 |
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cait |
#info will be removed from next meeting's agenda, until someone wants to add it back for discussing some concrete ideas |
| 11:34 |
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cait |
too late |
| 11:34 |
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cait |
#topic Next meeting |
| 11:34 |
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cait |
Wednesday, 4th May? |
| 11:34 |
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drojf |
how does 4 may 2016 sound? time was 10 UTC today, would be… 20 UTC next time? |
| 11:34 |
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cait |
+1 |
| 11:35 |
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drojf |
+1 |
| 11:35 |
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drojf |
heh |
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mveron |
+1 |
| 11:35 |
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davidnind |
4th May sounds good (April 10:00 UTC, March 20:00 UTC, February 10:00 UTC ) |
| 11:35 |
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cait |
#agreed Next meeting will be 4 May 2016, 20 UTC |
| 11:35 |
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cait |
thx :) |
| 11:35 |
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cait |
thx everyone for attending! |
| 11:35 |
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thd |
+1 |
| 11:35 |
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cait |
#endmeeting |
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huginn |
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huginn |
Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-04-06-10.02.html |
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huginn |
Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]6-04-06-10.02.txt |
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huginn |
Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]06-10.02.log.html |
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drojf |
cait++ |
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mveron |
cait++ |
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davidnind |
cait++ |
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LibraryClaire |
cait++ |
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thd |
cait+++ # in case you do not have enough ;) |
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thd |
#ME sleeps at last ... |
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* thd |
sleeps at last ... |
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drojf |
sleeping would be nice |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
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nengard |
morning oleonard |
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tcohen |
morning! |
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drojf |
hola other parts of the world |
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* LibraryClaire |
waves |
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tcohen |
hi LibraryClaire drojf |
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tcohen |
drojf: did u succeed with your LE patches? |
| 12:41 |
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drojf |
tcohen: moving some stuff to koha-letsencrypt to make it work for new and existing installations and the renewal cronjob is pending. i wrote most of it but have not tested it |
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drojf |
also they announced to move the client to EFF and rename it, i am not sure what to make out of that now |
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drojf |
but they changed the limits to 20 certs per 7 days (from 5), which is pretty good for us |
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drojf |
it better be in the next version of koha or i'll look stupid with my kohacon talk ;) |
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tcohen |
hehe |
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tcohen |
lets test it then! |
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cait |
you know the deadlines - test it! |
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drojf |
what is up on the bugtracker now can be tested now. what is missing is mostly moving stuff around, the functionality will not change drastically |
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oleonard |
Have item search results never shown data in the 'collection' column? I've looked back through 3.18.x. |
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oleonard |
Oh, I'm expecting "collection" to mean ccode, but it looks like it actually means biblioitems.collectiontitle. I have no idea what that is. |
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oleonard |
A UNIMARC thing? |
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wahanui |
a unimarc thing is probably somewhat incomplete from the look of it |
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cait |
oleonard: might be series |
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cait |
but mislabelled then |
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tcohen |
drojf: I'd say my patches enabling the indexer by default are worth |
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tcohen |
bug 16190 and bug 15113 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16190 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Enable the indexer daemon by default |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15113 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-rebuild-zebra should check USE_INDEXER_DAEMON and skip if enabled |
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tcohen |
let users rejoice Koha's capabilities that remain hidden |
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Joubu |
tcohen: did not you notice an issue with syspref cache when upgrading yesterday or today? |
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Joubu |
I had to restart memcached, I always got the installer |
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tcohen |
Joubu: i didn't |
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tcohen |
i got a couple internal server error pages |
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Joubu |
did you upgrade?:) |
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tcohen |
until i upgraded and restarted plack |
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Joubu |
ha yes, the problem only appears if you execute updatedatabase.pl via the commandline |
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tcohen |
we should exclude KOHA::Version from the cache |
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tcohen |
Joubu: i cannot reproduce the Members.t failure on jenkins |
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Joubu |
tcohen: I don't think it's an issue. |
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benjamin |
tcohen/Joubu: we might have run into caching issues too regarding sysprefs |
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Joubu |
benjamin: on master? |
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benjamin |
on 3.22.05 the sysprefs language and opaclanguage shifted on every page reload... on 3.22.03 they didnt. Haven't tried on master |
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MichaelKuhn |
Hello, in https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=737 I have seen some people worked on the possibility to show the location of a book on a map of the library, but nothing has come out of it so far. Has anyone tried an individual solution? |
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huginn |
Bug 737: enhancement, P2, ---, magnus, NEW , Map of library in search system |
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Joubu |
benjamin: It certainly comes from 11998. Please open a bug report and link it to 11998 if you have steps to reproduce the issue |
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benjamin |
Joubu: I suspected that, yes. I see there are some caching patches waiting for signoff, should I look into them as well? bug 16105 f.ex? or please tell if there are others pertinent for 3.24 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16105 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Cache::Memory is loaded even if memcache is used |
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Joubu |
benjamin: I'd need more info to know where it could come from (plack or not, memcache or not) |
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Joubu |
and what you meant by "shifted" |
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benjamin |
Joubu: it certainly is 11988, which came in 3.22.5. By "shifted", I mean, with more than two languages, eg. nb-NO and en, every reload of a page shifts the language syspref from one to the other. Interesting feature ;) I will look more into it and see if is |
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benjamin |
...repeatable |
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Joubu |
that's scary! |
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Joubu |
but really I don't see how it could be possible :) |
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Joubu |
looking forward to see the bug report |
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tcohen |
random_behaviour++ |
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* oleonard |
balances a stapler on his head |
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* tcohen |
jumps from one desk to the other repeatedkly |
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oleonard |
Did I hear that there was some way to find out if a particular file is affected by pending patches? |
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tcohen |
Joubu: what do u want to pass 14598? |
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tcohen |
splitter |
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wahanui |
splitter is cool |
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tcohen |
oleonard: http://splitter.koha-community.org/ |
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Joubu |
want to? why would I want to that? |
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tcohen |
damn idiomatic issues |
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tcohen |
what prevents 14598 to be passed QA? |
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Joubu |
see comments 63-65 |
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Joubu |
(same as the last 4x you asked me:p) |
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tcohen |
Joubu: :-P |
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tcohen |
63: ready |
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tcohen |
64-65: you want it to read the deleted{biblio|items} tables too? |
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tcohen |
what behaviour would you expect it the sysadmin cleaned those tables? |
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Joubu |
It was 2 months ago, I don't remember the question so I won't understand the answer |
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tcohen |
(you mentioned some warnings during upgrade it the items where delented) |
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Joubu |
anyway, answer comment 64&65 and I will have a look again |
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Joubu |
Usually I don't look at bug reports when I asked for something and did not get an answer. It's a general rule |
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tcohen |
boo |
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Joubu |
tcohen: with 14598 and without a global fix for 15599, all our test files will produce lot of warnings |
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tcohen |
14598 is not tied to 15599 to me |
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Joubu |
14598 generates the warnings |
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tcohen |
i respect that you think so, but i dont agree, maybe kyle should've just fixed the warnings issue for 14598 only |
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tcohen |
i went beyond that |
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tcohen |
i'll take a look at the global problem you mention, don't worry |
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tcohen |
right now i reproduced your warning during upgrade, and am fixing it |
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Joubu |
iirc the warnings do not appear before 14598, so I don't understand "maybe kyle should've just fixed the warnings issue for 14598 only" |
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tcohen |
i didn't notice the fix introduced problems on the tests, i'm on it right now |
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* cait |
is confused but shares Joubu's rule |
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cait |
well i try to... sometimes i get soft... or fail it to get it out of my queue :P |
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tcohen |
we need to fix the bug, the fact that our tests create bad scenarios and need to be fixed should not block the bugfix |
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tcohen |
i'll try to work on that, though |
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tcohen |
i will just flood your inboxes too :-P |
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tcohen |
Joubu: how can i test the new warnings nightmare? |
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tcohen |
prove t/db_dependent/ ? |
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Joubu |
t/db_dependent/Items/* I guess |
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Joubu |
t/db_dependent/Items* even |
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tcohen |
thanks |
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tcohen |
Joubu: I see |
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tcohen |
those are silent for me, but there are several others |
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tcohen |
the problem is that tests are not correctly coded |
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tcohen |
and I don't think there can be a global solution |
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reiveune |
bye |
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oleonard |
Hi pianohacker |
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pianohacker |
hello hello |
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oleonard |
pianohacker: Re: Your required fields question, HTML5 "required" attribute is the minimum. A JS layer is a good second layer. |
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oleonard |
This are both IMHO, since there's no official rule. |
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oleonard |
pianohacker: I recommend looking at the markup of admin/cities.pl?op=add_form for a simple example. |
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pianohacker |
oleonard: okay, makes sense. Thanks. I'll throw together a quick patch to fix the EDI thing if you're not poking at it |
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oleonard |
pianohacker: I submitted a patch yesterday with a bunch of template changes |
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oleonard |
...but without changes to required fields |
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oleonard |
Bug 16206 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16206 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Corrections to templates related new EDI feature |
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pianohacker |
I'll make sure it's based on that |
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bag |
morning |
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oleonard |
Hi bag |
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cait |
oleonard: i noticed a lot of Edifact Messages yesterday |
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cait |
wondering if that shoudl be EDIFACT messages? |
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oleonard |
As far as I can tell, yes |
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cait |
.. and with that i run away t have dinner :) |
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cait |
have a nice evening #koha :) - will probabl be back later |
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oleonard |
y |
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* oleonard |
reminds himself, Focus! |
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* geek_cl |
still fighting with Koha performance :-/ |
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Joubu |
tcohen: did you mean t/db_dependent/Members.t pass on D7?? |
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drojf |
later #koha |
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oleonard |
Bye #koha |
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cait |
huh |
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cait |
i have problems with the wiki - especially adding a new page for the next meeting |
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cait |
does this link work? https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_2016&action=edit |
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cait |
hi kidclamp |
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kidclamp |
hi cait |
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cait |
could you try something for me? |
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kidclamp |
sure |
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cait |
can you try the red link on this page? https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Meetings |
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cait |
i have difficulties adding the page for the next agenda |
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kidclamp |
there is currently no text in thispage |
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cait |
can you add it? there should be en edit link |
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cait |
i can't |
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cait |
keeps timing out :( |
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kidclamp |
yes |
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cait |
weird |
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kidclamp |
can edit |
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kidclamp |
https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]meting_4_May_2016 |
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cait |
still loading.... |
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kidclamp |
oh, I edited the talk |
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kidclamp |
can;t get in to main page |
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kidclamp |
you are right, borked |
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rangi |
i can |
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kidclamp |
the wiki knows better than to mess with rangi |
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rangi |
hmm actually that feels like disk space issues |
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cait |
so should ask gmcharlt to take a look? |
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rangi |
yup, i forget who else has shell |
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gmcharlt |
seems advisible |
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cait |
hi gmcharlt :) |
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cait |
i didn't want to summon you if it was just me |
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gmcharlt |
disk space isn't an issue |
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cait |
editing the old agenda worked fine, then it started when wanted to add the new page |
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cait |
gmcharlt: on another note - lots of dicussion on the funds fundraising... proposal in today's meeting |
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rangi |
hmm there goes my theory then |
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cait |
still not working for me - i will wait and write the email |
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cait |
homework from today's meeting |
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gmcharlt |
cait: try again now |
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cait |
onit |
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gmcharlt |
looks like a bug in the SelectCategory extension, which I've disabled for now |
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ccordova |
hi, i have problem in my koha 3.22.5 this log see : http://paste.koha-community.org/398 |
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cait |
much better :) |
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cait |
aah |
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cait |
thx a lot for the quick help :) |
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gmcharlt |
yw |
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rangi |
ccordova: is the machine out of memory? id take a look at top |
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ccordova |
rangi : this is memory http://snag.gy/ugelu.jpg |
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ccordova |
is very slow for search 18 seg for search |
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* andreashm |
waves |
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cait |
hi andreashm :) |
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rangi |
ccordova: hmm i'd try (on your test server) enabling plack |
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andreashm |
hi cait |
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rangi |
and make sure caching is switched on |
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rangi |
also |
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ccordova |
not plack is disabled |
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rangi |
yes, i mean try it with plack enabled on your test server, to see if that is faster |
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ccordova |
it's server in production |
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rangi |
yes |
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rangi |
but you have a test server right? |
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ccordova |
if I've had, but not change, only a couple of seconds less. |
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andreashm |
I know I've asked this a bunch of times, but really - what is the difference between CCODE and LOC? Are they interchangeable or do they affect different parts of the system? |
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rangi |
not interchangebale |
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* andreashm |
is asking because we are having a discussion about which one to use for our locations. |
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rangi |
well they could be, if you mess around with the marc frameworks |
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rangi |
CCODE is collection code |
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rangi |
you can switch to searching by it instead of itemtypes |
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rangi |
i wouldn't use it for location, id use LOC (which is for location :)) |
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andreashm |
rangi: yes I know. but there is a library here that is using ccode for locations, and it seems to work fine. |
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cait |
hm not only instead |
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cait |
you can have all three to search on |
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andreashm |
so the difference is maninly searching options? |
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rangi |
just because you can, doesn't mean you should |
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rangi |
:) |
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andreashm |
hehe |
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cait |
andreashm: what speaks against using loc for locations? :) |
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cait |
i'd say the difference is in the display in the item mostly LOC displays below the library - if it's home or holding you can confiugre using prefs. collection has its own column |
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cait |
you can both use for advanced search |
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cait |
one difference i can think of is maybe that you can use collections for branch transfer limits |
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andreashm |
cit: not sure. I'm not there to discuss. but I would guess the look on item (an own column or not) |
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andreashm |
a, home or holdings branch setting affects loc and not ccode? |
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cait |
hm there is a separate one |
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cait |
sec |
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cait |
OpacLocationBranchToDisplayShelving |
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cait |
there is also a cart feature tied to location |
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andreashm |
cait: oh, thanks. we're not using the opac though. |
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cait |
ok |
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cait |
InProcessingToShelvingCart ReturnToShelvingCart NewItemsDefaultLocation |
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andreashm |
thanks |
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cait |
so maybe branch transfer limits if you use those and the cart feature would make a difference |
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andreashm |
yes, very good to know. |
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cait |
BranchTransferLimitsType |
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andreashm |
anything specific for LOC similarly? |
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andreashm |
that using ccode wouldn't do/affect? |
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cait |
can't think of anything apart from the cart right now |
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cait |
course reserves can change both i think |
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andreashm |
cait: interesting, thanks. |
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andreashm |
seems to me that they are somewhat interchangeable after all, except some minor functionality. =) |
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rangi |
this is true |
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rangi |
but so is pretty much every field in MARC ;) |
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rangi |
i think putting location in the location subfield make sense .. that may be a NZ thing though :) |
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andreashm |
depends what one means with location, I guess. |
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andreashm |
oh, so much ambiguity |
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andreashm |
=) |
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rangi |
yup |
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pianohacker |
we've seen folks use the word location to mean between 4 and 5 different things |
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pianohacker |
occasionally within the same conversation |
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gmcharlt |
“When I use a word,†Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.†|
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gmcharlt |
pianohacker: I hope this clarifies things immensely ;) |
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pianohacker |
oh, by far... |
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andreashm |
yes, very. |
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andreashm |
Now I got that damn Humpty Dumpty song on my head. |
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andreashm |
thanks gmcharlt! =) |
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gmcharlt |
andreashm: I think you just revenged yourself on me |
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gmcharlt |
I had not been thinking of that song... BUT I AM NOW!!! |
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gmcharlt |
:) |
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andreashm |
haha |
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* cait |
is glad she doesn't know the song |
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andreashm |
cait: now go straight to youtube! |
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cait |
nope nope nope |
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cait |
i don't want to dream about humpty dumpty |
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cait |
cool 135 needs sign off |
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cait |
that's the lowest in a while i think |
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bag |
yeah |
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cait |
community++ :) |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16215: Missing closing quote in checkout template <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c5abdb642bfa72d6e> |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 16171 - Show many media in html5media tabs <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e9d1bd19c8b9bff47> / Bug 16184 - Report bor_issues_top shows incorrect number of rows <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0d4f28356707e9e7c> / Bug 16214: Fix typo 'To.jon' -> 'To.json' <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]?p=koha.git;a=com |
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