IRC log for #koha, 2016-01-26

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01:29 Francesca @wunder wlg
01:29 huginn` Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 25.0°C (2:00 PM NZDT on January 26, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
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06:43 drojf morning #koha
06:45 Francesca hey
06:54 drojf hi Francesca
06:57 Francesca sup
06:57 Francesca @wunder wlg
06:57 huginn` Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 22.0°C (7:30 PM NZDT on January 26, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
06:58 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
06:58 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 8.0°C (7:50 AM CET on January 26, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
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07:53 drojf maybe that is a stupid question, but i don't know anything about google hangouts, so… how does one know where to go to watch the fundraising committe meeting in google hangouts? will google just know to open it because they spy on all things people do so they know your interests?
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07:55 reiveune hello
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07:57 alex_a bonjour
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08:33 gaetan_B hello
08:33 wahanui hello, gaetan_B
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08:36 rangi ok, sorted
08:36 rangi git config --global true
08:36 rangi (or without the --global probably works too)
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08:36 rangi ill update the wiki and email the koha-devel list
08:41 cait rangi++
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08:55 magnuse rangi++
08:56 magnuse drojf: i think there will be a link
08:56 magnuse a URI
09:00 drojf rangi++ great!
09:00 drojf magnuse: ah ok, thanks
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09:13 drojf It won't take more than (duration of presentation) 1) 10 min. 2) 20 min. 3) 30 min. 4) more 5) Option 5
09:13 drojf heh
09:14 cait for greece?
09:14 cait what topic? :)
09:14 drojf yep
09:15 drojf it's the proposal submission form. or what do you mean by topic?
09:15 cait what youwant to talk about :)
09:15 cait i was curious
09:17 drojf ah. i'm not handing in a proposal yet, i wanted to check what fields are required to do that
09:17 cait :)
09:20 cait um
09:20 cait can somene test an item specific hold from staff in 3.20.x?
09:21 cait nm
09:21 cait never mind, it's me...
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10:01 ashimema morning
10:27 SamEEE hi ashimema!
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10:44 cait @quote 123
10:44 wahanui @quote get 123
10:44 huginn` cait: I've exhausted my database of quotes
10:44 huginn` wahanui: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
10:44 wahanui ...but quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is <reply>...
11:04 SamEEE Night friends!
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11:08 drojf @later tell rangi looks like the login form for bugzilla still uses http
11:08 huginn` drojf: The operation succeeded.
11:13 drojf @later tell rangi i can only reproduce it when i log out and then log in again. firefox does not warn, but firebug does, and i was told safari does too
11:13 huginn` drojf: The operation succeeded.
11:20 drojf @later tell rangi on https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]GoAheadAndLogIn=1 its hardcoded. "<form name="login" action="[…]gzilla3/index.cgi" method="POST">"
11:20 huginn` drojf: The operation succeeded.
11:28 BobB hi cait, are you able to comment on bug 14716 ?
11:28 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14716 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, In Discussion , -- Series link fails when series title ends with semicolon preceded by space.
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11:34 drojf i hope i did not sound too demanding regarding the fork. :P
11:36 magnuse says "The current recommendation for Ubuntu is 12.04 LTS." Anyone know if that is still what we reccomend?
11:36 drojf no it's not
11:36 drojf the latest LTS, so 14…04 i think
11:36 magnuse yeah, that's what i would have thought too
11:37 drojf i wonder if we really need the debian plus the ubuntu page(s)
11:37 drojf more things to maintain
11:40 drojf i also wonder if we should use fundraising money (when we have that one day) to pay for wiki article cleaning. it's not really something we can do along the way, obviously. keeping stuff up to date or updating outdated technical stuff takes a lot of time. or we accept that a part of it is only usable for devs/insiders
11:45 drojf looking at the "switching to dom indexing" article, it took quite a few hours to find out how it actually works (because the outdated article did not help much) and rewrite it completely, so i had something i could point people to that needed to do that
11:47 drojf i would do that for other things too, but spending a day on an article to explain stuff i already know to the general public is not really something i have spare time for these days
11:47 magnuse yeah, it's hard to find the time...
11:49 cait BobB: sorry, was at lunch
11:55 cait but on the other hand... it doesn't take long and almost all of us can do it
11:55 cait so I would probably throw money at other things at first
11:56 drojf it can take quite long and it is not done now
11:56 cait i guess we will have discussions once there is moeny :)
11:56 drojf yeah that will be a lot of fun. lol
12:10 drojf Koha on Lucid using Koha packages; Koha on Ubuntu; Koha on ubuntu - git; Koha on ubuntu - packages (Arabic Video); Koha on ubuntu - packages long; Koha on ubuntu - tarball
12:10 drojf we have a lot of ubuntu documentation
12:25 cait we shouldp robably limit and sort it a bit
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13:11 misilot question what's a good limit on the number of bib records to import at once via the marc import tool?
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13:15 drojf i checked all koha subdomains for https and spammed all people running them. i hope i won't get killed
13:17 drojf i did spare rangi because we already talked about it. and wizzyrea deserves a honourable mention because the main website is https only already. thanks :)
13:18 drojf anyway everybody running stuff for the community deserves a big thank you :)
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13:27 tcohen morning
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13:49 cait hi tcohen
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13:53 lds hello
13:53 wahanui salut, lds
13:54 lds tcohen: hello thomas
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14:00 tcohen hi cait
14:02 tcohen hi lds
14:04 lds tcohen: you have time for me in an hour?
14:06 tcohen what for?
14:07 lds tcohen: for jenkins migration
14:07 tcohen sure
14:07 lds thanks
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14:16 cait tsks at pianohacker :P
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14:50 tcohen git  bz broken?
14:51 nengard tcohen[…]91987051282042880
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15:14 tcohen kohadevbox:ansible updated to https bz
15:21 cait :)
15:21 tcohen fixed a bug for newer debian 8 images too
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16:17 gmcharlt the wiki is now HTTPS-only; please ping me if you see anything amis
16:17 cait gmcharlt++ :)
16:17 cait very cool
16:18 cait looking good from here
16:19 drojf gmcharlt++
16:19 drojf so i am a successful spammer :P
16:19 cait heh
16:22 gmcharlt also, is HTTPS-only
16:22 gmcharlt and now supports HTTPS, but is not yet HTTPS-only
16:22 drojf awesome! thanks!
16:23 gmcharlt I plan to make it so, but after confirming whether apt tools can handle the redirect
16:23 drojf when you put a ! after awesome, you don't have to pay for it. ha!
16:24 cait :)
16:24 cait gmcharlt++ again - more sites :)
16:28 tcohen gmcharlt: they can, i've noticed problems with root certificates once
16:28 drojf what is (or was) it is in the list in the wiki, but not in the detailed list of who maintains what. and it is not available
16:28 tcohen so we need to check debian/ubuntu has the ca and root cert installed
16:28 cait contribs was never moved from the liblime servers i think
16:29 cait and not picked up by someone
16:29 drojf ok so there was a contribs.k* but never on
16:29 cait it hosted some additional things - i remember a few documents from there
16:29 gmcharlt tcohen: drojf: works for me, but I don't think we can mandate it
16:29 cait i think so
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16:30 drojf ok then i delete it from the wiki now
16:30 cait someone might still have a copy of the contents, not sure
16:30 gmcharlt because the apt-transport-https package must be installed first to use https apt repositories, at least on wheezy
16:31 drojf gmcharlt: yes we probably making that https-only is not a nice move then
16:31 drojf that "we" should not be there
16:31 gmcharlt yeah, I'm not doing it, as I prefer not to have the whole world knocking on my door tomorrow morning ;)
16:31 drojf its funny that is not a standard module in debian then
16:32 drojf lol
16:32 cbrannon Got a question for the room.  You know how you can create a dropdown list of items in a Koha report by doing something like i.homebranch=<<Library|branches>>, where branches creates that dropdown list?  Is there a list of these lists that can be used in reports somewhere?
16:32 gmcharlt drojf: it looks like the reasoning is that apt does enough on its own to verify the validity of packages, and that a HTTPS is not required for that prupose
16:33 drojf gmcharlt: given that apt uses gpg keys that is probably true. or at least was back in the days when certificates were expensive
16:35 drojf i can still use the wiki without https
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16:36 drojf ah i see. it redirects when you open the main url, but does not if you open an article directly
16:36 gmcharlt ah, I shall fix that then
16:36 drojf which may be due to the funny setup of mediawiki. not sure if mine does that right
16:36 gmcharlt and yeah, it's mediawki thing
16:38 gmcharlt drojf: fixed
16:40 drojf works for me, thanks gmcharlt!
16:48 drojf the apt-transport-https package is not standard in jessie either, just tried
16:51 * drojf heads home
17:27 cait @later tell cbrannon the reports lists codes are documented on the help page i think - it shoudl work for all authorized values, branches and itemtypes
17:27 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded.
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18:44 cait khall: i like bug 15675 :)
18:44 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15675 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add issue_id column to accountlines and use it for updating fines
18:44 khall thanks! it's my first part of the accounts rewrite rewrite!
18:44 cait as we want to switch to the new dateformat... i was kind of grumpy about just that thing
18:44 cait a goodfirst step :)
18:45 cait storing the due date in the description did never seem like a good idea
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19:27 rangi morning
19:28 cait morning
19:28 rangi drojf: ill look into that login form issue now
19:29 drojf rangi: cool, thanks! and good morning :)
19:31 rangi interesting if you do it it from here
19:32 rangi  with the js .. its https
19:32 rangi if you go to the page itself, without js
19:32 drojf yes, i have seen that. it only happens when you log out there and in again
19:32 rangi it's http
19:32 rangi yeah
19:32 drojf yes or that
19:32 drojf its really odd
19:32 rangi yup
19:33 rangi i bet its a config variable i can change
19:33 rangi 2 secs ill try to find it
19:33 drojf i did not see it myself. somebody complained to me about having no https on bz and then immediately found that too
19:33 drojf after i said its fixed
19:33 rangi heh
19:33 drojf good tester :D
19:34 rangi try that
19:35 drojf no warning in firebug anymore
19:36 drojf tried the url directly, no warning either
19:36 drojf i mean https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]GoAheadAndLogIn=1
19:36 rangi sweet
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19:36 drojf thanks
19:38 drojf i think we have 5 https subdomains now. cool
19:40 rangi ill do some more as time permits, I think all the ones with logins now eh?
19:41 cait pretty good progress for a day :) from 1 to 5
19:41 drojf yeah that would be cool. it's awesome the wiki is https only now. translate would be nice too
19:41 rangi ah yep
19:41 huginn` New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7241] circulation action logs record biblionumber instead of item number <https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7241>
19:41 cait hm i think translte is in argentina somewhere?
19:41 rangi might want to ping bernardo
19:41 drojf i spammed/friendly reminded everyone
19:41 rangi he looks after that
19:41 drojf e got an email :)
19:42 drojf onyl you got none because we talked about it anyway
19:42 drojf *only
19:43 drojf in the end i found the list of all domains… it's on the main wiki page so i did not find it with a search haha
19:43 drojf search in mediawiki sucks
19:43 rangi it really does
19:44 drojf i think it splits everything at " ". try finding a part of a word, nope
19:45 rangi in theory, we could index it with elasticsearch or something else, and search that, but that would be just more procrastinating so I don't have to write presentations
19:45 drojf lol yeah
19:45 cait heh
19:45 drojf speaking of which… what is the estimated time frage for ES in koha?
19:45 drojf frame even
19:46 cait there is a branch on the main repo now - I think
19:46 bag 10 days ago :)
19:46 bag heh
19:46 drojf or, is 3.24 an option or probably not?
19:46 bag I think it is a very viable option for 3.24
19:46 cait but we need to get working on it :)
19:47 drojf ok so the catalyst branch obsolete?
19:47 drojf or are those synced in some way?
19:47 rangi they are currently the same
19:47 drojf (meaning, can i keep that vm or do i redo everything ^^)
19:48 drojf ok cool
19:48 rangi the catalyst branch was rebased on top of master, then that was pushed
19:48 rangi to
19:48 rangi because it was rebased, you'll probably need to do a fresh checkout anyway
19:49 drojf yeah, makes sense
19:50 bag and it has some koha-conf changes so that would need to be run too (iirc)
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20:01 drojf oh look, its redirect http to https day :D
20:01 * drojf giggles
20:01 rangi heh
20:01 rangi just answering that now
20:01 drojf ok then i won't :)
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20:09 bag @seen tcohen
20:09 huginn` bag: tcohen was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 40 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <tcohen> so we need to check debian/ubuntu has the ca and root cert installed
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20:20 rangi drojf: that make sense as an email?
20:26 drojf rangi: i wonder if they use the same (sub)domain and two different ports, so they would need 443 for opac and 8443 (or whatever) for staff? but the mail was only about intranet
20:27 rangi hmm true
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20:42 eythian Welcome back
20:42 wahanui I was trapped in a maze of twisty, turny passages, all alike.
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21:15 Francesca good morning
21:15 wahanui well, it's morning somewhere, yes
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21:32 kidclamp hey cbrannon
21:32 wahanui cbrannon is attempting to setup a test box for Koha.  I am in debian and use "git clone git:// kohaclone", but I get a connection refused error.  Any ideas what I am doing wrong?  FYI, I've never used debian before today.
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22:50 nengard @later tell drojf did you see https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=14168
22:50 huginn` nengard: The operation succeeded.
22:50 huginn` Bug 14168: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , enhance streaming cataloging to include youtube
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23:23 dcook Interesting reading: Reading about MARC and how it's defined
23:23 * dcook facepalm
23:23 wahanui http://buikitty.files.wordpres[…]120202-094434.jpg
23:23 dcook
23:24 dcook 2.1. The MARC 21 formats are communication formats, primarily designed to provide specifications for the exchange of bibliographic and related information between systems. They are widely used in a variety of exchange and processing environments. As communication formats, they do not mandate internal storage or display formats to be used by individual systems.
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23:28 bag @later tell magnuse HI THERE
23:28 huginn` bag: The operation succeeded.
23:28 bag happy birthday trea
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