IRC log for #koha, 2015-11-20

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00:04 jcamins @later tell francharb Is there a day next week that's good for you to have dinner at Byblos?
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00:43 wizzyrea Sooo. Drama on the list. That's always my favourite thing.
00:43 wizzyrea (not my favourite thing)
00:44 Francesca drama on the list?
00:48 bag yeah that really isn’t the place…  shame
00:48 wizzyrea on the koha email list
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01:00 wizzyrea who's gonna argue with PaulA now that eythian is leaving.
01:01 wizzyrea where argue = "tell him in a concise way why what he's doing is daft"
01:02 bag well eythian can still email :D
01:02 bag I hope :)
01:04 wizzyrea :)
01:05 wizzyrea I wonder why on the patron lists we don't use the standard borrower search instead of the in page one.
01:05 wizzyrea it seems just as easy (easier, even) to select borrowers from a borrower result list and add them to a list
01:05 wizzyrea than it does to use the one that's in the page.
01:06 wizzyrea every time I spend a little time in an area I find about 100 things that I want to fix >.<
01:07 bag true
01:07 bag alright time for me to run home - catch y’alls a little bit later
01:07 wizzyrea later
01:14 Francesca @later tell rangi hey I've done some stuff for jenkins and stuck it in the dashboard repository and sent you a merge request
01:14 huginn Francesca: The operation succeeded.
01:21 Francesca argh jenkins you defeat me again
01:35 rangi Francesca: will merge it now
01:35 Francesca cool
01:36 Francesca I'll set up my jenkins install to link to the main respository then when everythings working I'll let you know
01:36 rangi right, should be merged now
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01:37 Francesca cool
01:38 rangi might need to mv it to public/assets/css though
01:38 Francesca can do that
01:38 rangi otherwise i think it will 404
01:38 Francesca Yup
01:38 Francesca public/assets/css/jenkins it is
01:38 eythian wizzyrea: actually, on the latest discussion, I am 100% behind Paul A and Brooke's points, I just don't feel I have the standing to say so :)
01:39 rangi cool
01:39 Francesca though you can tell jenkins where to go to find the file
01:39 wizzyrea I figured you would be.
01:39 wizzyrea that wasn't actually the email I was thinking of ^.^
01:39 wizzyrea (I agree with him on his current point as well)
01:40 wizzyrea it was more of a general question than specific. ^.^
01:40 wizzyrea ugh this weather. Terrible!
01:40 * cait waves
01:40 wizzyrea cait: go back to bed
01:40 wahanui[…]9rdlo1_r2_400.gif
01:40 wizzyrea :)
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01:42 cait um.
01:42 wizzyrea or don't. Up to you.
01:42 cait ok :)
01:43 Francesca lol that tumbkr
01:43 Francesca tumblr
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01:51 rangi Francesca:
01:53 Francesca lol that video
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02:15 wizzyrea I just found the place to keep the Koha recipes:
02:16 wizzyrea i mean, we'd run our own of course.
02:16 wizzyrea naturall.
02:16 rangi :)
02:16 wizzyrea naturally
02:16 Francesca lol
02:16 cait :)
02:17 wizzyrea filed under "things you didn't know you needed but now desperately do"
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02:17 wizzyrea oh django. that's a thing I should know more about.
02:19 rangi it's an ok movie
02:19 rangi
02:19 wizzyrea A+
02:44 mtj hey #koha
02:44 mtj rangi: i loved your Mystikal pic  :)
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02:47 mtj hey eythian, what time(ish) you thinking re: HZ tmrw?
02:48 rangi 2pm on
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02:56 mtj ta :)
02:57 mtj rangi, one for jou  ->
02:57 rangi ahh yeah this one is good
03:00 rangi another one for you
03:09 mtj yes please  ...
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03:59 dcook @wunder syd
03:59 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Mascot, Mascot, New South Wales is 41.7°C (2:59 PM AEDT on November 20, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 10%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
03:59 dcook Yeah... that's a bit warm
04:00 BobB and its not even summer yet (:
04:01 dcook Ikr?
04:01 dcook It's actually quite comfy in the office
04:01 dcook I'm tempted to pop outside just to see...
04:01 dcook Although I think I walked through 40+ in 2013 while househunting and that was good enough for me
04:02 dcook I've been in +40 and -40... I figure I can justifiably complain about most weather now
04:02 dcook Well, +40 and -60
04:02 wahanui -20
04:02 BobB I would not go for a long walk dcook, and save it till home time
04:02 dcook Probably wise
04:03 dcook 30 and 20
04:03 wahanui 50
04:03 dcook hehe
04:03 BobB I can't imagine -40
04:03 Francesca @later tell rangi added more styling for jenkins and sent a merge request
04:03 huginn Francesca: The operation succeeded.
04:03 dcook -40... I shoudl look up the stats
04:04 dcook "Exposed skin can freeze in as little as 10 minutes in temperatures of -28C and below, Environment Canada says."[…]_canada_says.html
04:04 dcook I think with -40 exposed flesh freezes in about 1 minute
04:05 dcook My toe froze once... it was not a fun experience
04:05 dcook "Frostbite happens when the skin and the tissue beneath it freeze. The skin appears white and hard to the touch and the area is numb."
04:05 dcook ^
04:05 BobB last summer we sailed one day in 40 c
04:05 dcook I had a friend from Pakistan many years ago tell me that he prefered +50 over -50
04:06 dcook Mostly because +50 is much easier to deal with
04:06 dcook Cover your skin, find shade, stay hydrated
04:06 BobB guys were wasted, no-one could speak after
04:06 dcook I bet!
04:06 BobB I've never heard a sailing club so quiet in my life
04:07 dcook Not sure what my hottest sailing day would be...
04:07 dcook Probably no more than 30-35
04:07 BobB +50 can be survived
04:07 BobB by lizards, eg
04:07 dcook hehe
04:07 dcook I've survived -60
04:07 dcook It just took a lot of layers
04:07 dcook I'm thinking it'll be easier helping baby endure cold rather than heat
04:07 BobB lizards with beer
04:07 dcook Mmm beer
04:07 dcook There's an idea
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05:20 saa we wish to know whether it is possible to customize marc tags in client and opac as per itemtype
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07:48 * magnuse waves
07:49 * Francesca waves back
07:49 magnuse kia ora!
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07:50 reiveune hello
07:50 wahanui hey, reiveune
07:51 magnuse yay for i18n_l10n.pref#dateformat# needing to be translated!
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07:58 alex_a bonjour
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08:02 gaetan_B hello
08:02 wahanui hey, gaetan_B
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08:16 fridolin hie
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08:28 ashimema morning
08:39 * magnuse waves again
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10:25 * andreashm waves
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10:33 mveron Hi
10:35 andreashm hi mveron
10:36 mveron hi andreashm :-)
10:37 mveron Far back in history there existed something like C4::Dates...  It vanished some day with the kind help of Koha community and nobody heard about it since...
10:40 andreashm sweet. all done then, I guess?
10:41 mveron andreashm: Pushed yesterday :-)
10:42 mveron far as I remember. It's long time ago  :-)
10:45 magnuse mveron++
10:46 mveron everybody++ who helped...
10:47 andreashm mveron++
10:47 magnuse community++
10:47 magnuse @karma community
10:47 huginn magnuse: Karma for "community" has been increased 20 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 20.
10:47 magnuse yay!
10:47 mveron @karma everybody
10:47 huginn mveron: Karma for "everybody" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2.
10:48 mveron community++
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11:10 mveron Lunchtime!
11:10 wahanui lunchtime is a terrible time for a meeting
11:10 mveron ...but a good time for lunch...
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12:34 mveron Hi again #koha
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12:44 cait hi mveron :)
12:44 cait happy? :)
12:44 mveron hi cait :-)
12:44 mveron Yes indeed...
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12:49 tcohen morning
12:56 cait morning!
12:57 wnickc morning!
12:57 magnuse morning!
13:00 tcohen can anyone sign 15218? (removing those awful non-printing chars I inadvertedly introduced in the meantimme)
13:00 tcohen with that one pushed, 3.22 is ready, just waiting for the translators!
13:01 tcohen and any major that arises of course
13:01 magnuse yeah yeah, we're translating ;-)
13:01 * magnuse has 997 strings to go
13:01 tcohen magnuse: translate + sign? maybe?
13:01 tcohen :-D
13:01 magnuse hehe
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13:09 cait bug 15318
13:09 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15318 could not be retrieved: InvalidBugId
13:09 cait bug 15218
13:09 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15218 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , (Plack) should be run in CGI mode
13:09 cait tcohen: should we take a look at the updatedatabase bug too?
13:09 tcohen cait: yes
13:10 tcohen i'll take a look now
13:10 tcohen I miss Joubu
13:13 cait me too
13:14 * tcohen thought 14101 was already poushed
13:15 magnuse bug 14101
13:15 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14101 major, P5 - low, ---, h.meissner.82, Passed QA , auto renewal is tied to 'no renewal before'
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13:16 cait it pqa yesterday
13:17 tcohen yes, I thought i pushed it late last night
13:17 tcohen I just missed to actually push my working branch
13:18 schnydszch Hi all! Is there a way to default some data in the indicators? In the MARC blibliographic framework, i see none
13:18 cait schnydszch: not currently, sorry
13:18 schnydszch ok
13:19 schnydszch the are the ones to work on if I want to have some data added?
13:20 cait i am not sure the plugins are an ideal way to do that
13:20 cait it might be better to add this to the frameworks themselves
13:21 schnydszch or javascript?
13:21 wahanui javascript is not super super evil.
13:21 schnydszch yeah that's what i'm thinking
13:21 schnydszch i just wanted to confirm before I work on this.
13:22 cait maybe jquery coud work, i haven't tried
13:24 schnydszch thanks a lot cait, I'll try with jquery
13:25 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14101: Unit tests <[…]65147a5f2a6a20ebb> / Bug 14101: Automatic renewals exactly on due date <[…]617d1ca064bc2fd62>
13:26 schnydszch in any rate, what do i look for? ;)
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13:59 magnuse "An error occurred when *updating* this patron category. Perhaps it already exists." that does not make sense, does it?
14:00 cait hm yes
14:01 cait not really
14:01 * mveron just trasnlated it to German :-)
14:01 mveron translated
14:02 ashimema nope.. doesn't make sense
14:02 mveron Yes, you can not modify a patron category and change the Category code
14:03 ashimema of course it exists.. your trying to update it ;)
14:04 ashimema so.. either it's a create and it already exists.. or it's an update and it doesn't exist.. or any numbre of other things ;)
14:05 mveron There are mor of this kind, e.g. City
14:07 schnydszch it seems I was able to with this javascript $( "input[name^='tag_650_indicator1']" ).val( "1" );   $( "input[name^='tag_650_indicator2']" ).val( "7" ); }); however when the term is added it comes back to first indicator "blank" and second indicator value = 4
14:08 mveron ...and authorized value...
14:11 cait i think the error messages are pretty standardized
14:11 cait but mveron's explanation made sense
14:11 cait ashimema: want to test soometing plack? :)
14:12 cait bug 15218
14:12 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15218 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , (Plack) should be run in CGI mode
14:12 magnuse yeah, there are a bunch like this, and i guess if you can change the category code it does make sense. thanks!
14:12 ashimema ahh.. I just broke my plack env
14:12 cait oh
14:13 mveron cait: There could be more stadardization, just something like: "An error eccurred when updating this entrry" - That would then fit fo Cities, Authorized Values and Patron categories (only one translation necessary, I guess).
14:13 mveron entry
14:14 cait ah it looks like khall is on it already
14:14 cait the plack patch
14:15 cait mveron: lots to translate still? ic an help in a bit
14:15 cait just trying to pass another patch first :)
14:15 mveron 4332 words left :-)
14:17 cait testing bug 14264
14:17 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14264 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Export of CSV from late orders form does only work in English
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14:24 schnydszch well anyway, after saving the record I still got the indicators 17 even though it showed 04 in the screen. The important thing is that it gave us the indicators we want. was a bug filed for this kind of enhancement "add default values in indicators"? If there is none, I'd like to file a bug enhancement. Thanks y'all! :)
14:25 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15218: (QA followup) Fix wording of comment <[…]ff3ea2525fec41949> / Bug 15218: (Plack) Make processes that rely on background jobs run in CGI mode <[…]3ffaa6b51ffa2ce69> / Bug 15215: Remove warning due to misuse of UNIVERSAL <http://git.koha-community.or
14:27 cait schnydszch: i think there are existing bugs yes
14:27 cait bug 9701
14:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9701 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Configure default indicator
14:28 cait and hmi think bug 2280 is kind of related
14:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2280 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , authorized value option for indicators doesn't work
14:29 schnydszch cait: okay i'll try to search first
14:30 magnuse 4322 words left - oh well, maybe i'll make the 3.22.1 release...
14:30 magnuse Have fun #koha!
14:30 schnydszch it seems[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9701
14:30 huginn Bug 9701: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Configure default indicator
14:31 schnydszch wow 3.22.1
14:31 schnydszch will this be release 22nd?
14:33 cait ?
14:33 cait 3.22.0 will be released in a few days
14:39 cait someone fit with mysql?
14:40 cait i wonder if the additional declarations for the varchar columns are needed?[…]ment.cgi?id=45032
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14:54 ashimema ciat. reading bug now
14:54 ashimema cait ^
14:54 cait thx!
14:54 * mveron struggles with loads of partial strings like "Changes made below will only apply to item subfields that are"
14:55 cait yeah... we need to do something about those :(
14:55 cait bolded words or links
14:58 mveron There should be something about it in coding guidlines:[…]Coding_Guidelines
14:59 ashimema[…]arset-column.html
14:59 ashimema cait..
14:59 ashimema I think your right..
14:59 cait here
14:59 ashimema we shouldn't set it on the individual fields..
14:59 cait mveron: i htink there is a bug somewhere too
14:59 ashimema by not doing so, they will fall back to the table definition.
14:59 cait ok
14:59 cait so we could remove that from the last patch then
14:59 ashimema yup
15:00 cait do the other changes look ok?
15:00 ashimema there is one assumption there on my part
15:00 ashimema other changes look good
15:00 ashimema I don't konw whether the individual columns were set as another collation before this patch..
15:00 ashimema nope..
15:00 ashimema it's a CREATE.. ignore me..
15:01 ashimema my assumption is sound.. it's a create so the table didn't exist before in the first place ;)
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15:08 cait hi khall :)
15:08 khall hi!
15:08 cait just left you a pm
15:10 cait hi gmcharlt :)
15:10 gmcharlt hi cait
15:10 cait i added you to one of the bugs with a new dependency
15:10 cait hope that's ok? and also the keyword dependency
15:11 gmcharlt that's fine
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15:26 gmcharlt tcohen: jajm: I've configured gitolite with the appropriate perms so that 3.22 can be branched when the time comes and jajm can subsequently take up the 3.22 RMain reins
15:36 jajm gmcharlt, thanks
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15:59 tcohen gmcharlt: thanks! anything you need from me for the 3.22 release packaging?
16:00 tcohen cait: around?
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16:00 gmcharlt tcohen: I'll know better in in a couple days; I'm spending the weekend figuring out what's what
16:00 tcohen ok
16:00 tcohen awesome
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16:02 xarragon So.. If I want to do a search in one of my functions in the catalogue, is there any particular API I should use?
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16:03 xarragon I am looking at all the code for OPAC and staff searches.. and they do a lot, looping, grouping etc..
16:03 xarragon In my case I just need to search the caatlogue for an item, I guess.. I need to query all the Z3950 servers then?
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16:08 tcohen xarragon: C4::Search::SimpleSearch
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16:16 JesseM mario can you check on BriarCliff please
16:16 mario yes
16:18 mveron khall: Is that correct?    Kyle Hall (3.8 Release Maintainer; 3.14 - 3.20 QA Team Member)
16:18 khall mveron: indeed!
16:19 mveron 3.20?
16:19 wahanui 3.20 is probably rebootless patching
16:20 bag morning
16:36 gaetan_B bye
16:38 cait would pwa for chocolate...
16:39 cait pqa...
16:39 cait :)
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16:45 bag will do most anything for chocolate :)
16:46 cait yep
16:52 ashimema did someone say chocolate ?
16:53 barton bag: oh... so that's the key!
16:53 bag one of many barton
16:53 bag chili works too ;)
16:53 barton bag, I'll have to make you some of my white chilli some time. good stuff.
16:53 bag oh yeah happy birthday barton (I know early by 2 days but I’m not sure I will catch you on Sunday)
16:54 barton thanks bag!
16:58 barton o zebra gods: we have a library who uses collection codes 'CD' (city directory) and CD/DVD (what it says on the tin). I'm trying to limit a search to 'CD', but I'm getting results for CD/DVD as well.
17:01 barton There are a few issues that I've run into... 1) I don't think that it's possible to apply truncation attributes to a 'limit' the way that you would if you were searching using idx.
17:03 mveron 3786 words left to translate
17:03 barton 2) Even when I *do* use something like,rt&q=cd, I'm still getting results for CD/DVD ... I think that zebra has tokenized CD/DVD to CD and DVD...
17:03 * mveron has to run...
17:04 barton I tried,st-key&q=cd, but that returned no results.
17:04 barton any suggestions?
17:04 wahanui any suggestions are welcome.
17:04 * ashimema is listening with interest.. but unfortunately can't offer any expertise as he doesn't have it ;)
17:05 ashimema expertise in this area that is.. ;)
17:05 * barton makes an offering of chocoloate and white-chili to the zebra gods.
17:05 ashimema I think you've overtaken me on the 'understanding the magic of zebra' front these days barton..
17:06 * ashimema has been working on other projects of late.. but hopes to come back to the koha world soon.
17:06 ashimema However.. non blocking persistent apps are certainly mucho fun to work on..
17:06 barton wheeeeee!
17:08 ashimema hehe
17:08 barton ^^ strictly speaking I suppose that should have been in polyphonic sound, and not ended, but I'll spare you that.
17:12 cait barton: the role is to not use things like / in your codes
17:13 cait because that happens to make search difficult hm
17:13 cait what are you trying to do?
17:13 barton yeah, I think that's the heart of the problem.
17:14 cait joy once wrote a good blog post about this
17:14 cait don't use underscores and other fun chars...
17:14 cait if they are not using icu... maybe ,ext could help you
17:14 cait not sure ifit works with limits
17:15 barton I'll take a look for that blog post, it should help me convince the library to re-catalog their stuff.
17:16 barton I'll give ,ext a try as well, but I don't think that limits play nicely.
17:17 cait barton: it probably hidden deeply in the archives
17:17 cait with the batch edit it might not be so hard to change the collection if that makes things easier in the end
17:20 barton actually,​p=and&idx=kw&q=&limit=mc-ccode,rt%3ACD worked.
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17:35 barton cait: here's the blog post, for the sake of posterity:[…]ventions-in-koha/
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17:38 cait thx for digging that up barton
17:39 barton cait -- any idea whether CD_DVD would work as a replacement for CD/DVD?
17:40 * barton has no idea how zebra does tokenization.
17:41 cait nope
17:41 cait CDDVD
17:41 cait i'd use
17:41 barton k.
17:41 cait because _ is also a space i think - tokenized
17:41 barton yeah. that makes sense (in some strange universe :-)
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18:19 cait hm bug 15226
18:19 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15226 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Broken link in staff client for files attached to records
18:19 cait not good
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20:20 tcohen hwy
20:22 wnickc hwy not?
20:26 tcohen how nkwos
20:27 wnickc lol
20:27 wnickc nicely done
20:34 wnickc male/female/none are hard coded as sex options?
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20:54 cait secret language?
20:55 tcohen on
20:55 tcohen wnickc: it should be gender
20:56 nengard tcohen do you happen to know about[…]_bug.cgi?id=13590
20:56 huginn Bug 13590: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add ability to charge fines at start of charge period
20:56 nengard khall is gone for the day
20:56 nengard I'm writing it up in the manual
20:57 nengard does this mean that it can charge on day 1 instead of day 7?
20:57 nengard I thought that's what the charging interval did
20:59 nengard or cait cause you qa'd it
20:59 nengard :)
21:00 cait hm let me give an example
21:00 cait the before:
21:00 cait grace period 2 days, fine interval 7 ... first fine: 7 days after due date
21:00 cait it would always take one fine interval, before hte first fine could be charged
21:00 cait so if you didn't charge 'daily' fines, that would be a little weir
21:01 cait d
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21:01 cait now with the new setting and the same values:
21:01 cait first fine after 2 days grace period, second fine after another 7
21:01 cait it charges at the "beginning of the interval" - when before it would always start charging"at the end of the interval" only
21:02 nengard okay ... i think i get it
21:02 cait the change will be most visibly when you use charging intervals != 1
21:02 nengard someone might want to proof the manual :) hehe
21:02 cait i am very excited about that one actually... because a weekly fine interval is our usual
21:03 nengard cool!!
21:03 cait and that means the students automatically always get a week of grace period at least... quite annoying
21:03 cait well... libraries would like to be a bit more strict and flexible there:)
21:08 nengard cait[…]fdc0df03d3e493f87
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21:39 barton cait, you pointed me to a bug that was pushed the other day for instance specific index config files... I can't seem to find that again.
21:40 cait ah, i send it to the mailing list
21:40 barton yeah, I'm looking there now.
21:40 cait i had spotted it when working on the release notes one sec
21:41 barton there it is![…]_bug.cgi?id=12216
21:41 huginn Bug 12216: enhancement, P4, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to Master , One should be able to override zebra configuration on a per instance basis
21:42 cait heh now i found it too :)
21:55 barton heybywater this made it in to 3.22: Bug 12216
21:55 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12216 enhancement, P4, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to Master , One should be able to override zebra configuration on a per instance basis
21:56 nengard thanks barton but wrong channel :) hehe
21:56 barton wuups!
21:56 bag thanks birthday boy barton
21:56 bag :D
21:58 barton :-D
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22:11 tcohen barton: sure it did ;-)
22:11 tcohen should we enable the zebra indexer daemon by deafult?
22:12 tcohen nto urse
22:18 barton tcohen: you woldn't happen to know if this would fix the issues that gitify has with custom indexes?
22:18 tcohen it should
22:19 tcohen because you put your custom files on the instance's dir
22:19 tcohen it depends on the problems you face
22:19 tcohen (of course)
22:19 barton naturally.
22:21 barton That would be huge for me... we have most of our dev enviornments gitified, which is awesome for everything *except* zebra.
22:22 tcohen that's the whole point with that patches
22:22 tcohen just try them
22:22 tcohen :-D
22:22 barton tru dat.
22:22 * barton puts that on the list for Monday :-)
22:37 bag tcohen: SO happy for the plackiness
22:37 bag @tcohen++
22:37 huginn bag: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
22:37 cait gah no drojf
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