IRC log for #koha, 2015-11-13

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00:31 TGoat hey #koha if a language pack is complete (for this instance it's Arabic) does that mean Koha is translated completely into Arabic? Both OPAC and Staff-side? The external portions that show to patron and staff as well as the data/information that populates and displays the queries/results into the results fields.
00:32 rangi most of it yes
00:32 rangi there are still a few bits untranslatable
00:32 rangi but 98% of it will be by then
00:33 rangi staff and client
00:33 rangi you can check
00:33 rangi here
00:33 rangi
00:33 rangi so the marc frameworks are translated, the opac is, all the prefs are, and the help and staff interface are too
00:34 cait i think even more like 99% these days
00:41 TGoat thanks rangi and cait..
00:41 cait we got a lot better about translatability
00:42 TGoat for sure..
00:42 TGoat so just to be clear that's both the information on the pages and the data as it is presented .. right?
00:43 TGoat gotta a guy with the Gates Foundation asing me some questions
00:43 dcook What does "data as it is presented" mean?
00:44 TGoat duno why I've been getting so many questions about translation lately
00:44 TGoat the data that is being queried
00:44 dcook What do you mean by "the data that is being queried"? :p
00:44 TGoat like the MARC or patron data
00:44 dcook No
00:44 dcook It won't be translated on the fly.
00:44 dcook If a MARC record is in English, it'll be displayed in English
00:45 dcook If it's in Arabic, it'll be displayed in Arabic
00:45 TGoat oh, that's what I was thinking. It has to be in the original language
00:45 dcook Database data doesn't get translated, but I believe newer versions of Koha allow for multiple languages to be stored for things
00:45 TGoat makes sense
00:46 TGoat but with google translate nowadays you never know for sure
00:46 cait not for all things.. just item types
00:46 cait but there are workarounds
00:46 dcook Google translate isn't perfect ;)
00:46 cait using jquery and the like
00:46 TGoat true that
00:46 cait very far from perfect...
00:46 dcook I once needed a system in French and English
00:46 TGoat work around cait?
00:46 dcook And they showed us the French side... it was completely wrong
00:46 dcook They said it was just a demo... but...
00:46 TGoat right.. but
00:46 dcook I left before they made the decision, so I've always wondered what happened
00:47 cait like if you want one of the opac html sysprefs be in multiple languages
00:47 TGoat saying something can be translated seems so open ended
00:47 cait you can 'switch on' the right content with css and hide the other
00:48 TGoat I feel like if you don't ask the exact quesiton then you may miss it completely
00:48 TGoat right
00:49 TGoat thanks cait and dcook. you've been very helpful!
00:49 dcook I try :). Hope it helped.
00:50 TGoat in the NAVY we had a saying, "clear as mud". you've made it less murky :) much appreciated
00:51 cait hm basicaly
00:51 cait to make things muddy again...
00:52 cait you can pretty much translate everything... having it in mulitple languages at once is a bit more difficult
00:52 dcook ^
00:52 cait template things that won't change work well, but everything you enter into the database is harder
00:52 dcook ^
00:53 TGoat I understand. Ever think we'll get to the poin t that it can translate into more than one?
00:53 dcook ?
00:53 cait there is a new patch to provide that for the itemtype description
00:53 cait i secretly hope someone will do authorised values next... becuase with locations and collections that would pretty much cover the OPAC
00:53 TGoat more than one language.. say a user chooses a language at login
00:54 cait doesn't have to
00:54 TGoat many folks in in the EU speak more than one langiage
00:54 cait it shoudl all swtich using the language switcher at the bottom
00:54 dcook ^
00:54 TGoat they could choose between languages
00:54 cait we also get a lot of foreign students here
00:54 dcook Yeah, switching between languages makes sense
00:54 dcook Not having two at once though :p
00:54 cait so all our libraries provide english and german actually, some have more languages
00:54 TGoat yea, not two at once :p
00:54 cait what would be a nice addition: a preferred language setting for the patrons
00:54 dcook ^
00:55 cait and then be able to send them a notice in the preferred language
00:55 dcook We could do more with "locale" for sure
00:55 cait we can't do that right now
00:55 TGoat that would be nice
00:55 dcook A lot of Java-based things I've seen allow you to have a string in lots of different languages
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00:55 dcook And you use a locale to choose between them
00:56 TGoat cool.. thanks
00:56 dcook And the code just uses a pointer to whatever string that locale is set to
00:56 dcook Could do the same thing with a database rather than xml files
00:56 dcook Database is probably better at it tbh
00:56 dcook TGoat: no worries
00:56 dcook cait++
00:56 dcook For being a master at all the things :D
00:56 TGoat @cait++
00:57 huginn TGoat: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
00:57 TGoat @dcook++
00:57 cait lol
00:57 huginn TGoat: I suck
00:57 dcook hehe
00:57 cait translations are obviously something i have to deal with :)
00:57 TGoat you guys are all awesome!
00:57 dcook translations are something I'm grateful to other people for
00:57 dcook While I could probably do an OK job of French, there's no way I could provide translations for our Arabic clients
00:57 TGoat roger that
00:57 wahanui aye aye cap'n
00:57 TGoat that's what Im dealing with.. Arabic
00:58 dcook I wish I could read it :/
00:58 dcook Once upon a time, I thought about studying it
00:58 cait yeah that has an additioanl difficulty
00:58 cait for being an RTL script
00:58 TGoat it looks ike it belongs in a painting
00:58 dcook Used to work in a library that had some Arabic collections.. taught myself numbers 1-10 then forgot them..
00:58 dcook (so much for Arabic numerals..)
00:59 cait i think some other scripts even more so
00:59 TGoat I went to Dubai and Abu Dhabi this year and it was awesome. if you have the chance go
00:59 cait hm sanskrit?
00:59 dcook sanskrit is intimidating for sure
00:59 cait but so pretty
00:59 dcook Agreed
00:59 dcook Don't know about its direction..
00:59 dcook Hebrew is right to left too I think
01:00 cait yeah i think currently we onyl have arabic and hebrew
01:00 TGoat I have as hebrew library that is asking questions too.. you guys are hitting all my sweet spots
01:00 dcook Don't know anything about Hebrew myself
01:00 cait hm I think hebrew was not very complete as a translation last time i checked
01:01 cait but they could fix that :)
01:01 cait the effect is similar as for arabic - with the mirroring effect in the gui
01:02 cait i should sleep :)
01:02 cait bye all
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01:02 TGoat nite
01:04 TGoat leaving for the gym with the wife. thanks again dcook.
01:08 * Francesca waves
01:16 Francesca @wunder wlg
01:16 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (2:00 PM NZDT on November 13, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady).
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05:32 mveron @wunder Allschwil
05:32 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Grenchen, Switzerland is 6.0°C (6:20 AM CET on November 13, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady).
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07:49 reiveune hello
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07:58 Joubu good morning #koha
08:01 Amit_Gupta hi joubu
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08:02 gaetan_B hello
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08:03 alex_a bonjour
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08:20 * magnuse waves
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09:37 Joubu cait: what do you think of bug 14259, should we continue to maintain non-xslt views?
09:37 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14259 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Signed Off , OPAC system preference BiblioDefaultView is ignored
09:37 * andreashm imported our database to my Kohadevbox yesterday. About a million records or so. Now I'm reindexing zebra.... and can actually see it working, line by line. Oh my, this is going to take a while. =)
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09:41 atheia morning!
09:50 cait morning atheia :)
09:51 cait Thx Joubu :)
09:52 * atheia waves
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09:58 magnuse Joubu:[…]plates_deprecated : "Consequently, the non-XSLT option is now deprecated and it will not be maintained."
09:59 Joubu thanks magnuse
10:18 ashimema kill all reference to non-xslt everywhere :)
10:18 ashimema has been deprecated long enough now me thinks ;)
10:19 * ashimema is in cruel dictator mode today ;)
10:20 * ashimema needs more tea
10:31 xarragon I have trouble creating a complex, linked dataset with test::builder, the dumped output differs from my input, I am probably chaining it together incorrectly. Can anybody spot the error?
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10:31 June Hello
10:32 June is there any web services to retrieve the item information by using Barcode number?
10:33 cait ashimema: it's regression if we kick it out now
10:33 cait ashimema: some features only work with it
10:34 June I can only retrieve by ID with this link[…]e=GetRecords&id=1
10:34 * ashimema thinks that's also a good excuse to remove unused features ;)
10:34 ashimema In all seriousness, I'd like to see if HEA can say whether anyone is using non-xslt and those features we'de be deprecating ;)
10:34 cait the feature is not that old
10:34 cait one for highlighting your own branch or something
10:34 xarragon I must be doing something really stupid because not even the branch code gets set corretcly it seems
10:35 ashimema what feature is it then?
10:35 cait sec
10:35 cait bug 2619
10:35 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2619 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Turning on XSLTResultsDisplay preference turns off item detail display
10:35 cait bug 12561 - look at the depends ons
10:35 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12561 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Omnibus: Deprecate non-XSLT detail and result views
10:36 cait HighlightOwnItemsOnOpac and OpacPopupAuthosSearch for sure
10:36 cait there is also a report from gaetan somewhere about it being much slower that we didn't really investigate yet
10:36 cait but that's why the deprecating /kicking out came to a halt basically
10:37 ashimema sounds mean.. but I would suggest those people actually using such feature should take some more responsability for replicating them when we wish to deprecate old code ;)
10:37 ashimema XSLT is deffo much slower..
10:37 xarragon Okay, do not look at my code. Must be basic PEBKAC error, not even a 'hello world' style dataset is buitl correcly.
10:37 ashimema it's the price for the flexability it brings.. and using XML.. yuk
10:38 cait but much more complete too... the old display is quite ugly. i think we could probably remove the detail page
10:38 cait the problems are in the result list
10:39 * ashimema woudl eventually like to replace xslt with somthing a bit more lightweight.. but there is allot preventing that at the moment ;)
10:39 ashimema there is an alarming amount of logic in those templates
10:40 ashimema but yeah.. we really aught to get feature parity and then nuke non-xslt for now
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10:50 drojf hi #koha
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11:16 Joubu fridolin: how can I test bug 14078?
11:17 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14078 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Signed Off , converting from ISO5426 is not complete
11:18 fridolin Joubu: there is a sample of records
11:18 fridolin in iso2709 format
11:18 Joubu fridolin: yes but on master I don't see any encoding issue
11:20 Joubu Could someone test something with 3.22beta + Plack?
11:21 Joubu I get "Upload status: Failed" when I try to stage records :-/
11:24 fridolin Joubu: mmh i'll retest
11:24 Joubu fridolin: I get the upload error without your patch
11:24 fridolin Joubu: did you untar ?
11:24 fridolin (2c question)
11:25 Joubu fridolin: I manage to import the records, that's not the problem. I don't get any encoding issues, withtout your patch
11:25 Joubu So I won't be able to confirm your patch fixes something
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11:32 fridolin Joubu: i provide en example in th eBZ
11:35 fridolin Joubu:[…].cgi?id=14078#c13
11:35 huginn Bug 14078: normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Signed Off , converting from ISO5426 is not complete
11:35 fridolin Joubu: i reproduce the effet of my path in uptodate master
11:35 Joubu ok thanks
11:42 fridolin Joubu: thanks to you for testing 8-)
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12:09 Joubu @later tell rangi please have a look at the splitter cronjob please, it's completely out of sync again
12:09 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
12:09 Joubu @later tell rangi please have a look at the splitter cronjob please, it's completely out of sync again
12:09 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
12:09 Joubu oops :)
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12:19 tcohen morning
12:19 * ashimema is about to submit his first pull request on DBIx::Class.. wish me luck
12:20 ashimema s/me/him/ - bad us of tense
12:20 ashimema s/us/use/
12:20 * ashimema gives up
12:21 atheia ^^
12:22 Joubu tcohen: I get a very weird behavior with the stage import tools under Plack. With a kohadevbox:ansible box, it "works", I can upload the file (just the first step, not the records import)
12:22 Joubu but with my "local dev" install, it does not, I get "upload status: failed"
12:23 Joubu I have switched my $fh = $upload->{fh}; to my $fh = open '<', $filename; and it now works
12:23 Joubu I remember I already encounter this error before but I don't manage to find the patch
12:23 Joubu Does it remember something to you?
12:23 Joubu (did you already drink your cup of tea?)
12:23 tcohen i don't remember that
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12:24 tcohen i haven't, i'm about to get a coffee
12:24 tcohen and start working on that bug too
12:24 Joubu Actually I was not on it, but discover it working on qaing something else
12:24 tcohen as i see it, the problem is in BackgroundJob
12:26 tcohen people have tried commenting uncommenting lines that close the STDOUT filehandle to notify apache it should leave the background process alone (seems buggy, not sure how that would work on nginx or other software)
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12:26 andreashm sigh. I'm rebuilding zebra but my computer turned off, and now I cant restart the process as it seems to be locked. is there a way of continuing the halfway reindex? or if not, how can I clear the lock?
12:27 andreashm I tried deleting the var/lock/koha folder but got denied because of permissions
12:27 tcohen /var/run/koha...
12:30 Joubu and got a "check permission" error on under plack, but everything works fine without plack
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12:34 Joubu ok plack was not running using the right user...
12:34 andreashm thanks tcohen
12:34 * Joubu runs and hides
12:35 tcohen Joubu: :-P
12:37 tcohen #koha: remember that (regarding plack) we are testing the integration of it into the packages, using Starman to control the process. This means that it is important to test using the debian/templates/plack.psgi file, AND the debian/scripts/koha-plack script
12:37 tcohen both can/should be patched if we find issues on them
12:38 Joubu tcohen: and if we don't know how to fix a specific issue? :p
12:38 tcohen do you pray? regularly?
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12:49 cait back
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13:10 Joubu tcohen:     Bug 15032: Make sure the filehandle is not close on background mode
13:10 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15032 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Plack testing -- Stage MARC records for import -- Internal Server Error/Stalled Staged Import
13:10 Joubu that's the patch I was thinking about
13:10 Joubu tcohen:     Bug 15032: Make sure the filehandle is not close on background mode
13:10 Joubu that's the patch I was thinking about
13:10 wahanui i already had it that way, Joubu.
13:10 tcohen yeah, I remembered
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13:46 cait khall: around?
13:46 cait i got a holds question...
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13:48 cait hm no khall... that's unfortunate
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14:16 cait hm jcamins maybe?
14:19 Joubu tcohen: see last patch on bug 14915
14:19 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14915 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Use Font Awesome instead of Glyphicons for the staff intranet
14:20 tcohen thanks Joubu
14:23 Joubu tcohen: and I confirm that everything explodes when Crypt::GCrypt is not installed
14:23 Joubu bug 15182
14:23 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15182 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , make test fails immediately on 3.22.00-beta due to missing Crypt::GCrypt which is optional
14:24 tcohen Joubu: solution? make it mandatory?
14:24 Joubu tcohen: certainly caused by     Bug 15151: Avoid DB access to load C4::Members
14:24 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15151 blocker, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , t/Circulation_barcodedecode.t fails if no DB present
14:25 tcohen Joubu: I'm sure that's the reason
14:25 Joubu confirmed, I have reverted it and it works
14:25 Joubu erk
14:25 Joubu fix something and it explodes somewhere else...
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14:26 Joubu We could around the require with an evel
14:26 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14915: (follow-up) [FA 4.4] (QA followup) Replace fa-hold with fa-sticky-note-o <[…]b1289fe8a946e4d7a>
14:26 Joubu I am it's a very dirty solution, but it works...
14:26 Joubu sure*
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14:36 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15079: Batch Delete Records Error <[…]d7e60c376cfe87983> / Bug 14985: dbms expects a iso formatted date <[…]bcb91f00bd92b4be4> / Bug 14985: Simplify the date management in AddReserve <[…]mitdiff;h=7aabe91
14:41 Joubu tcohen, khall, ashimema: please have a look at the patch on bug 15182
14:41 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15182 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , make test fails immediately on 3.22.00-beta due to missing Crypt::GCrypt which is optional
14:41 tcohen thanks for the quick patch Joubu
14:41 tcohen Joubu++
14:42 andreashm humm, there's no way to style the text (bullet lists, headings, bold/italics) in Bugzilla, right?
14:43 andreashm I believe my wall of text will be hard to read...
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14:44 Joubu andreashm: - or * for the bullets :)
14:44 andreashm joubu: yeah, I'm adding * now. Still, it makes it kind of hard to read. not even tabs is supported...
14:45 magnuse have fun #koha!
14:47 andreashm bye
14:54 andreashm ok, wall of text saved on bug 10662
14:54 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10662 new feature, P3, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Build OAI-PMH Harvesting Client
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14:55 cait khall: ... ping!
14:56 andreashm for those who want to spend the rest of friday afternoon reading OAI feedback. =)
14:56 andreashm cait: holds questions?
14:57 cait i wanted to discuss something with him
14:58 cait i will try another time :)
14:59 andreashm not here for discussions friday afternoon? bah! =)
14:59 andreashm although it's not afternoon yet for him. oh well...
15:00 * andreashm should probably go home soon. brain melt.
15:01 cait :)
15:03 Joubu tcohen: another bug fix on bug 14544
15:03 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14544 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Move the list related code to Koha::Virtualshelves
15:06 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15058: Update German web installer sample files for 3.22 <[…]d264f1f465bf42235> / Bug 15178: Update of Italian web installer .sql files for 3.22 <[…]26e4876d93abac175>
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15:07 andreashm woot! bug 15165
15:07 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15165 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, Needs Signoff , REST API routes to list, edit and pay borrower's accountlines
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15:48 andreashm bye #koha
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15:55 Joubu nengard: Hi! Do you have more detail to give us on bug 15071?
15:55 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15071 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , red color on check outs
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15:59 pianohacker Joubu: I just poked her
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16:01 nengard pianohacker, is actually sitting across the table from me :)
16:04 Joubu nengard: did you see my question? :)
16:05 reiveune bye
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16:05 nengard Joubu, I updated the ticket
16:06 Joubu nengard: thanks!
16:11 cait Joubu++
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16:21 bag morning
16:34 Joubu I think bug 14795 is a critical one for 3.20.x, please test
16:34 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14795 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Batch record modification tool removes framework code
16:54 Joubu Have a good week-end #koha!
17:12 tcohen bye Joubu uuuuu
17:14 cait bye Joubu :)
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17:28 gaetan_B bye
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18:44 trasheagle Hello!
18:45 trasheagle Can anyone help me form some HTTP API urls?
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19:15 trasheagle Does anyone have experience using the /svc HTTP API?
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19:24 trasheagle Is anyone out there?
20:20 xarragon Hmm, when writing database tests with test_builder, is there recommended way to handle when errors are raised?
20:21 xarragon Because a lot of time the tests aborts before the transaction rollback code at the end runs and thi polliutes the database with junk
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22:20 xarragon Ah, ok, it does it automatically, existing tests was simply not cleaning up properly.
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23:05 Francesca hello
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