Time Nick Message 00:31 TGoat hey #koha if a language pack is complete (for this instance it's Arabic) does that mean Koha is translated completely into Arabic? Both OPAC and Staff-side? The external portions that show to patron and staff as well as the data/information that populates and displays the queries/results into the results fields. 00:32 rangi most of it yes 00:32 rangi there are still a few bits untranslatable 00:32 rangi but 98% of it will be by then 00:33 rangi staff and client 00:33 rangi you can check 00:33 rangi here 00:33 rangi http://translate.koha-community.org/ar/3.22/ 00:33 rangi so the marc frameworks are translated, the opac is, all the prefs are, and the help and staff interface are too 00:34 cait i think even more like 99% these days 00:41 TGoat thanks rangi and cait.. 00:41 cait we got a lot better about translatability 00:42 TGoat for sure.. 00:42 TGoat so just to be clear that's both the information on the pages and the data as it is presented .. right? 00:43 TGoat gotta a guy with the Gates Foundation asing me some questions 00:43 dcook What does "data as it is presented" mean? 00:44 TGoat duno why I've been getting so many questions about translation lately 00:44 TGoat the data that is being queried 00:44 dcook What do you mean by "the data that is being queried"? :p 00:44 TGoat like the MARC or patron data 00:44 dcook No 00:44 dcook It won't be translated on the fly. 00:44 dcook If a MARC record is in English, it'll be displayed in English 00:45 dcook If it's in Arabic, it'll be displayed in Arabic 00:45 TGoat oh, that's what I was thinking. It has to be in the original language 00:45 dcook Database data doesn't get translated, but I believe newer versions of Koha allow for multiple languages to be stored for things 00:45 TGoat makes sense 00:46 TGoat but with google translate nowadays you never know for sure 00:46 cait not for all things.. just item types 00:46 cait but there are workarounds 00:46 dcook Google translate isn't perfect ;) 00:46 cait using jquery and the like 00:46 TGoat true that 00:46 cait very far from perfect... 00:46 dcook I once needed a system in French and English 00:46 TGoat work around cait? 00:46 dcook And they showed us the French side... it was completely wrong 00:46 dcook They said it was just a demo... but... 00:46 TGoat right.. but 00:46 dcook I left before they made the decision, so I've always wondered what happened 00:47 cait like if you want one of the opac html sysprefs be in multiple languages 00:47 TGoat saying something can be translated seems so open ended 00:47 cait you can 'switch on' the right content with css and hide the other 00:48 TGoat I feel like if you don't ask the exact quesiton then you may miss it completely 00:48 TGoat right 00:49 TGoat thanks cait and dcook. you've been very helpful! 00:49 dcook I try :). Hope it helped. 00:50 TGoat in the NAVY we had a saying, "clear as mud". you've made it less murky :) much appreciated 00:51 cait hm basicaly 00:51 cait to make things muddy again... 00:52 cait you can pretty much translate everything... having it in mulitple languages at once is a bit more difficult 00:52 dcook ^ 00:52 cait template things that won't change work well, but everything you enter into the database is harder 00:52 dcook ^ 00:53 TGoat I understand. Ever think we'll get to the poin t that it can translate into more than one? 00:53 dcook ? 00:53 cait there is a new patch to provide that for the itemtype description 00:53 cait i secretly hope someone will do authorised values next... becuase with locations and collections that would pretty much cover the OPAC 00:53 TGoat more than one language.. say a user chooses a language at login 00:54 cait doesn't have to 00:54 TGoat many folks in in the EU speak more than one langiage 00:54 cait it shoudl all swtich using the language switcher at the bottom 00:54 dcook ^ 00:54 TGoat they could choose between languages 00:54 cait we also get a lot of foreign students here 00:54 dcook Yeah, switching between languages makes sense 00:54 dcook Not having two at once though :p 00:54 cait so all our libraries provide english and german actually, some have more languages 00:54 TGoat yea, not two at once :p 00:54 cait what would be a nice addition: a preferred language setting for the patrons 00:54 dcook ^ 00:55 cait and then be able to send them a notice in the preferred language 00:55 dcook We could do more with "locale" for sure 00:55 cait we can't do that right now 00:55 TGoat that would be nice 00:55 dcook A lot of Java-based things I've seen allow you to have a string in lots of different languages 00:55 dcook And you use a locale to choose between them 00:56 TGoat cool.. thanks 00:56 dcook And the code just uses a pointer to whatever string that locale is set to 00:56 dcook Could do the same thing with a database rather than xml files 00:56 dcook Database is probably better at it tbh 00:56 dcook TGoat: no worries 00:56 dcook cait++ 00:56 dcook For being a master at all the things :D 00:56 TGoat @cait++ 00:57 huginn TGoat: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 00:57 TGoat @dcook++ 00:57 cait lol 00:57 huginn TGoat: I suck 00:57 dcook hehe 00:57 cait translations are obviously something i have to deal with :) 00:57 TGoat you guys are all awesome! 00:57 dcook translations are something I'm grateful to other people for 00:57 dcook While I could probably do an OK job of French, there's no way I could provide translations for our Arabic clients 00:57 TGoat roger that 00:57 wahanui aye aye cap'n 00:57 TGoat that's what Im dealing with.. Arabic 00:58 dcook I wish I could read it :/ 00:58 dcook Once upon a time, I thought about studying it 00:58 cait yeah that has an additioanl difficulty 00:58 cait for being an RTL script 00:58 TGoat it looks ike it belongs in a painting 00:58 dcook Used to work in a library that had some Arabic collections.. taught myself numbers 1-10 then forgot them.. 00:58 dcook (so much for Arabic numerals..) 00:59 cait i think some other scripts even more so 00:59 TGoat I went to Dubai and Abu Dhabi this year and it was awesome. if you have the chance go 00:59 cait hm sanskrit? 00:59 dcook sanskrit is intimidating for sure 00:59 cait but so pretty 00:59 dcook Agreed 00:59 dcook Don't know about its direction.. 00:59 dcook Hebrew is right to left too I think 01:00 cait yeah i think currently we onyl have arabic and hebrew 01:00 TGoat I have as hebrew library that is asking questions too.. you guys are hitting all my sweet spots 01:00 dcook Don't know anything about Hebrew myself 01:00 cait hm I think hebrew was not very complete as a translation last time i checked 01:01 cait but they could fix that :) 01:01 cait the effect is similar as for arabic - with the mirroring effect in the gui 01:02 cait i should sleep :) 01:02 cait bye all 01:02 TGoat nite 01:04 TGoat leaving for the gym with the wife. thanks again dcook. 01:08 * Francesca waves 01:16 Francesca @wunder wlg 01:16 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (2:00 PM NZDT on November 13, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). 05:32 mveron @wunder Allschwil 05:32 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Grenchen, Switzerland is 6.0°C (6:20 AM CET on November 13, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). 05:46 mveron Bye #koha 07:49 reiveune hello 07:58 Joubu good morning #koha 08:01 Amit_Gupta hi joubu 08:02 gaetan_B hello 08:03 alex_a bonjour 08:14 Amit_Gupta hello gaetan__B 08:20 * magnuse waves 09:15 * cait waves 09:35 * andreashm waves 09:37 Joubu cait: what do you think of bug 14259, should we continue to maintain non-xslt views? 09:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14259 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Signed Off , OPAC system preference BiblioDefaultView is ignored 09:37 * andreashm imported our database to my Kohadevbox yesterday. About a million records or so. Now I'm reindexing zebra.... and can actually see it working, line by line. Oh my, this is going to take a while. =) 09:41 atheia morning! 09:50 cait morning atheia :) 09:51 cait Thx Joubu :) 09:52 * atheia waves 09:58 magnuse Joubu: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#DEPR1:_non-XSLT_search_results_and_bib_display_templates_deprecated : "Consequently, the non-XSLT option is now deprecated and it will not be maintained." 09:59 Joubu thanks magnuse 10:18 ashimema kill all reference to non-xslt everywhere :) 10:18 ashimema has been deprecated long enough now me thinks ;) 10:19 * ashimema is in cruel dictator mode today ;) 10:20 * ashimema needs more tea 10:31 xarragon I have trouble creating a complex, linked dataset with test::builder, the dumped output differs from my input, I am probably chaining it together incorrectly. Can anybody spot the error? http://39650b7456cbbba6.paste.se/ 10:31 June Hello 10:32 June is there any web services to retrieve the item information by using Barcode number? 10:33 cait ashimema: it's regression if we kick it out now 10:33 cait ashimema: some features only work with it 10:34 June I can only retrieve by ID with this link http://127.0.0.1/cgi-bin/koha/ilsdi.pl?service=GetRecords&id=1 10:34 * ashimema thinks that's also a good excuse to remove unused features ;) 10:34 ashimema In all seriousness, I'd like to see if HEA can say whether anyone is using non-xslt and those features we'de be deprecating ;) 10:34 cait the feature is not that old 10:34 cait one for highlighting your own branch or something 10:34 xarragon I must be doing something really stupid because not even the branch code gets set corretcly it seems 10:35 ashimema what feature is it then? 10:35 cait sec 10:35 cait bug 2619 10:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2619 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Turning on XSLTResultsDisplay preference turns off item detail display 10:35 cait bug 12561 - look at the depends ons 10:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12561 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Omnibus: Deprecate non-XSLT detail and result views 10:36 cait HighlightOwnItemsOnOpac and OpacPopupAuthosSearch for sure 10:36 cait there is also a report from gaetan somewhere about it being much slower that we didn't really investigate yet 10:36 cait but that's why the deprecating /kicking out came to a halt basically 10:37 ashimema sounds mean.. but I would suggest those people actually using such feature should take some more responsability for replicating them when we wish to deprecate old code ;) 10:37 ashimema XSLT is deffo much slower.. 10:37 xarragon Okay, do not look at my code. Must be basic PEBKAC error, not even a 'hello world' style dataset is buitl correcly. 10:37 ashimema it's the price for the flexability it brings.. and using XML.. yuk 10:38 cait but much more complete too... the old display is quite ugly. i think we could probably remove the detail page 10:38 cait the problems are in the result list 10:39 * ashimema woudl eventually like to replace xslt with somthing a bit more lightweight.. but there is allot preventing that at the moment ;) 10:39 ashimema there is an alarming amount of logic in those templates 10:40 ashimema but yeah.. we really aught to get feature parity and then nuke non-xslt for now 10:50 drojf hi #koha 11:16 Joubu fridolin: how can I test bug 14078? 11:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14078 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Signed Off , converting from ISO5426 is not complete 11:18 fridolin Joubu: there is a sample of records 11:18 fridolin in iso2709 format 11:18 Joubu fridolin: yes but on master I don't see any encoding issue 11:20 Joubu Could someone test something with 3.22beta + Plack? 11:21 Joubu I get "Upload status: Failed" when I try to stage records :-/ 11:24 fridolin Joubu: mmh i'll retest 11:24 Joubu fridolin: I get the upload error without your patch 11:24 fridolin Joubu: did you untar ? 11:24 fridolin (2c question) 11:25 Joubu fridolin: I manage to import the records, that's not the problem. I don't get any encoding issues, withtout your patch 11:25 Joubu So I won't be able to confirm your patch fixes something 11:32 fridolin Joubu: i provide en example in th eBZ 11:35 fridolin Joubu: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14078#c13 11:35 huginn 04Bug 14078: normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Signed Off , converting from ISO5426 is not complete 11:35 fridolin Joubu: i reproduce the effet of my path in uptodate master 11:35 Joubu ok thanks 11:42 fridolin Joubu: thanks to you for testing 8-) 12:09 Joubu @later tell rangi please have a look at the splitter cronjob please, it's completely out of sync again 12:09 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 12:09 Joubu @later tell rangi please have a look at the splitter cronjob please, it's completely out of sync again 12:09 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 12:09 Joubu oops :) 12:19 tcohen morning 12:19 * ashimema is about to submit his first pull request on DBIx::Class.. wish me luck 12:20 ashimema s/me/him/ - bad us of tense 12:20 ashimema s/us/use/ 12:20 * ashimema gives up 12:21 atheia ^^ 12:22 Joubu tcohen: I get a very weird behavior with the stage import tools under Plack. With a kohadevbox:ansible box, it "works", I can upload the file (just the first step, not the records import) 12:22 Joubu but with my "local dev" install, it does not, I get "upload status: failed" 12:23 Joubu I have switched my $fh = $upload->{fh}; to my $fh = open '<', $filename; and it now works 12:23 Joubu I remember I already encounter this error before but I don't manage to find the patch 12:23 Joubu Does it remember something to you? 12:23 Joubu (did you already drink your cup of tea?) 12:23 tcohen i don't remember that 12:24 tcohen i haven't, i'm about to get a coffee 12:24 tcohen and start working on that bug too 12:24 Joubu Actually I was not on it, but discover it working on qaing something else 12:24 tcohen as i see it, the problem is in BackgroundJob 12:26 tcohen people have tried commenting uncommenting lines that close the STDOUT filehandle to notify apache it should leave the background process alone (seems buggy, not sure how that would work on nginx or other software) 12:26 andreashm sigh. I'm rebuilding zebra but my computer turned off, and now I cant restart the process as it seems to be locked. is there a way of continuing the halfway reindex? or if not, how can I clear the lock? 12:27 andreashm I tried deleting the var/lock/koha folder but got denied because of permissions 12:27 tcohen /var/run/koha... 12:30 Joubu and got a "check permission" error on upload.pl under plack, but everything works fine without plack 12:34 Joubu ok plack was not running using the right user... 12:34 andreashm thanks tcohen 12:34 * Joubu runs and hides 12:35 tcohen Joubu: :-P 12:37 tcohen #koha: remember that (regarding plack) we are testing the integration of it into the packages, using Starman to control the process. This means that it is important to test using the debian/templates/plack.psgi file, AND the debian/scripts/koha-plack script 12:37 tcohen both can/should be patched if we find issues on them 12:38 Joubu tcohen: and if we don't know how to fix a specific issue? :p 12:38 tcohen do you pray? regularly? 12:49 cait back 13:10 Joubu tcohen: Bug 15032: Make sure the filehandle is not close on background mode 13:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15032 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Plack testing -- Stage MARC records for import -- Internal Server Error/Stalled Staged Import 13:10 Joubu that's the patch I was thinking about 13:10 Joubu tcohen: Bug 15032: Make sure the filehandle is not close on background mode 13:10 Joubu that's the patch I was thinking about 13:10 wahanui i already had it that way, Joubu. 13:10 tcohen yeah, I remembered 13:46 cait khall: around? 13:46 cait i got a holds question... 13:48 cait hm no khall... that's unfortunate 14:16 cait hm jcamins maybe? 14:19 Joubu tcohen: see last patch on bug 14915 14:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14915 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Use Font Awesome instead of Glyphicons for the staff intranet 14:20 tcohen thanks Joubu 14:23 Joubu tcohen: and I confirm that everything explodes when Crypt::GCrypt is not installed 14:23 Joubu bug 15182 14:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15182 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , make test fails immediately on 3.22.00-beta due to missing Crypt::GCrypt which is optional 14:24 tcohen Joubu: solution? make it mandatory? 14:24 Joubu tcohen: certainly caused by Bug 15151: Avoid DB access to load C4::Members 14:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15151 blocker, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , t/Circulation_barcodedecode.t fails if no DB present 14:25 tcohen Joubu: I'm sure that's the reason 14:25 Joubu confirmed, I have reverted it and it works 14:25 Joubu erk 14:25 Joubu fix something and it explodes somewhere else... 14:26 Joubu We could around the require with an evel 14:26 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14915: (follow-up) [FA 4.4] (QA followup) Replace fa-hold with fa-sticky-note-o <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0c33f1d1e6481562c5898afb1289fe8a946e4d7a> 14:26 Joubu I am it's a very dirty solution, but it works... 14:26 Joubu sure* 14:36 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15079: Batch Delete Records Error <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=706a31b50d52ef1ba48c568d7e60c376cfe87983> / Bug 14985: dbms expects a iso formatted date <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=918038904553ecd8572006abcb91f00bd92b4be4> / Bug 14985: Simplify the date management in AddReserve <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7aabe91 14:41 Joubu tcohen, khall, ashimema: please have a look at the patch on bug 15182 14:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15182 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , make test fails immediately on 3.22.00-beta due to missing Crypt::GCrypt which is optional 14:41 tcohen thanks for the quick patch Joubu 14:41 tcohen Joubu++ 14:42 andreashm humm, there's no way to style the text (bullet lists, headings, bold/italics) in Bugzilla, right? 14:43 andreashm I believe my wall of text will be hard to read... 14:44 Joubu andreashm: - or * for the bullets :) 14:44 andreashm joubu: yeah, I'm adding * now. Still, it makes it kind of hard to read. not even tabs is supported... 14:45 magnuse have fun #koha! 14:47 andreashm bye 14:54 andreashm ok, wall of text saved on bug 10662 14:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10662 new feature, P3, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Build OAI-PMH Harvesting Client 14:55 cait khall: ... ping! 14:56 andreashm for those who want to spend the rest of friday afternoon reading OAI feedback. =) 14:56 andreashm cait: holds questions? 14:57 cait i wanted to discuss something with him 14:58 cait i will try another time :) 14:59 andreashm not here for discussions friday afternoon? bah! =) 14:59 andreashm although it's not afternoon yet for him. oh well... 15:00 * andreashm should probably go home soon. brain melt. 15:01 cait :) 15:03 Joubu tcohen: another bug fix on bug 14544 15:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14544 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Move the list related code to Koha::Virtualshelves 15:06 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15058: Update German web installer sample files for 3.22 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3866d9bb82d44529a055c72d264f1f465bf42235> / Bug 15178: Update of Italian web installer .sql files for 3.22 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4fda4d60c1fb3b8f644a74326e4876d93abac175> 15:07 andreashm woot! bug 15165 15:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15165 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, Needs Signoff , REST API routes to list, edit and pay borrower's accountlines 15:48 andreashm bye #koha 15:55 Joubu nengard: Hi! Do you have more detail to give us on bug 15071? 15:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15071 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , red color on check outs 15:59 pianohacker Joubu: I just poked her 16:01 nengard pianohacker, is actually sitting across the table from me :) 16:04 Joubu nengard: did you see my question? :) 16:05 reiveune bye 16:05 nengard Joubu, I updated the ticket 16:06 Joubu nengard: thanks! 16:11 cait Joubu++ 16:21 bag morning 16:34 Joubu I think bug 14795 is a critical one for 3.20.x, please test 16:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14795 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Batch record modification tool removes framework code 16:54 Joubu Have a good week-end #koha! 17:12 tcohen bye Joubu uuuuu 17:14 cait bye Joubu :) 17:28 gaetan_B bye 18:44 trasheagle Hello! 18:45 trasheagle Can anyone help me form some HTTP API urls? 19:15 trasheagle Does anyone have experience using the /svc HTTP API? 19:24 trasheagle Is anyone out there? 20:20 xarragon Hmm, when writing database tests with test_builder, is there recommended way to handle when errors are raised? 20:21 xarragon Because a lot of time the tests aborts before the transaction rollback code at the end runs and thi polliutes the database with junk 22:20 xarragon Ah, ok, it does it automatically, existing tests was simply not cleaning up properly. 23:05 Francesca hello