IRC log for #koha, 2015-11-06

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00:06 mveron Good night / daytime #koha
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02:29 Francesca @wunder wlg
02:29 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (3:00 PM NZDT on November 06, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
02:36 wizzyrea http://taiga.koha-community.or[…]koha-release-324/
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03:11 wizzyrea bug 15145
03:11 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15145 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, francescalamoore, NEW , Fix hover state on bugzilla theme header so it doesn't jump on hover
03:11 wizzyrea francesca ^
03:11 Francesca sweet
03:11 wizzyrea bug 15144
03:11 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15144 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, francescalamoore, NEW , Fix dashboard font to be Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif for all text
03:11 Francesca heh
03:11 wizzyrea :)
03:11 wizzyrea you wanted things to do ^.^
03:11 Francesca is it wrong that I'm excited to have actual bugs
03:11 Francesca I did
03:11 wizzyrea nope :)
03:11 Francesca I don't mind
03:16 mtj[…]-and-low-tax-bill
03:16 mtj interesting ^
03:17 wizzyrea whoa
03:18 mtj you couldnt make this shit up, huh..
03:18 wizzyrea for real.
03:18 northcottc Hi everyone, how do you get debug messages from the Koha::Cache and C4::Items? I've been having a hard time debugging a cache addition I'm trying to do because I can't see any of the warns I'm putting in and would really appreciate any help
03:18 wizzyrea "cost of sales" my ass.
03:20 wizzyrea you're looking in the /var/log/koha/instance/intranet-error.log?
03:20 northcottc Yes I am
03:20 wizzyrea and you don't get anything at all? not even a "something went wrong?"
03:21 northcottc Not even that.
03:21 wahanui i guess not even that is cold :)
03:21 wizzyrea oh
03:21 wizzyrea um, in C4 items we don't have use warnings or modern:perl
03:21 wizzyrea use warnings is commented out in the one I'm looking at
03:22 wizzyrea (which should be master)
03:22 northcottc I have tried using carp and uncommenting use warningsit, but haven't had much luck.
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03:24 wizzyrea hm, use Modern::Perl?
03:25 wizzyrea Carp is in the one I'm looking at
03:27 wizzyrea and Koha::Cache has both already
03:27 wizzyrea which I'm sure you knew :)
03:28 northcottc wizzyrea: But the warns I have in  Koha::Cache haven't appeared either, and I don't know why :(
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03:28 wizzyrea the only reason I know of why that happens is that you're not executing the code where the warn is
03:28 wizzyrea :/
03:29 wizzyrea (sorry the really smart people are away from their desks atm)
03:30 wizzyrea this is the vagrant box ya?
03:30 wizzyrea er, the kohadevbox
03:33 northcottc wizzyrea: yes, it is. It's really unfortunate timing too, I need to get this fixed tonight :(
03:39 jcamins Off the top of my head, Koha::Cache degrades gracefully, so if your warn is assuming that there is caching happening, and the warn isn't being called, it might be because there's no caching happening.
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06:56 indradg hi #koha
06:59 * magnuse waves
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07:06 indradg hi magnuse
07:11 * indradg scratching over staff client missing all styling after  upgrade of ancient 2.2.8
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07:13 mveron Good morning / daytime #koha
07:13 mveron @wunder Allschwil
07:13 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 10.0°C (8:00 AM CET on November 06, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Rising).
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07:16 indradg good morning mveron
07:16 mveron Hi indradg :-)
07:16 indradg @wunder Kolkata
07:16 huginn indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 32.0°C (12:20 PM IST on November 06, 2015). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
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07:17 mveron Oh, that is a little bit warmer...
07:17 indradg just a bit :P
07:17 mveron The best temperature is somewhere between...
07:18 magnuse @wunder boo
07:18 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (7:50 AM CET on November 06, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
07:19 mveron Oh, that is a little bit colder...
07:19 mveron Hi magnuse :-)
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07:39 fridolin hie thereee
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07:47 magnuse hiya mveron saiful Viktor fridolin reiveune
07:47 reiveune hello
07:48 * Viktor waves
07:48 mveron Hi everybody! What a bright day!
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07:58 gaetan_B hello
07:58 wahanui bonjour, gaetan_B
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08:24 Amit_Gupta hi indradg
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08:25 Amit_Gupta heya alex_a
08:25 indradg Hi Amit_Gupta
08:25 alex_a hello Amit_Gupta
08:26 * mveron waves
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08:27 mveron 4 bugs left to so for C4::Dates removal / 2 for qa
08:27 putti Hi!
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08:30 putti mveron, talking about bug 14954 ?
08:30 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14954 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Remove C4::Dates from holiday related files in folder tools
08:30 mveron Hi putti
08:30 putti is there 3 more similar bugs?
08:31 mveron Search for "Remove C4::Dates"
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08:32 mveron It is 14946, 14954, 14960, 14969
08:33 mveron drojf is working / signoffing on 14969 at them moment
08:33 putti okay
08:37 mveron :-)
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08:48 putti mveron, misc/cronjobs/ is using still C4::Dates, line 84
08:49 putti bug 14960
08:49 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14960 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, j.kylmala, Needs Signoff , Remove C4::Dates from files in misc/cronjobs
08:49 mveron putti: Thanks for testing. I will have a look at it. Other things OK?
08:50 putti mveron, not sure yet! I Just got started with the code review
08:51 mveron Ok, I'll wait before I do follow-ups.
08:51 Francesca hi
08:54 putti mveron, in there wasn't any other dependencies to c4::Dates than the $today variable + it's dependencies.. but now let me look the other files
08:54 mveron putti: OK :-)
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08:58 mveron Great, drojf is sign-offing 14969, putti is sig-noffing 14960... Remaining C4::Dates removal to sign-off are 14954 and 14946...
08:59 Francesca sig-noffing lol
09:00 mveron :-)
09:01 * mveron needs some more espresso
09:05 putti mveron, why the sub parse_letter got into this remove C4::Dates patch? O.o
09:05 mveron putti: Let me see...
09:06 drojf mveron: and mtompsett is listed for 14946 in trello
09:07 mveron putti: It seems that it came in when I amended to make the patch apply. Maybe I mitaked somehow.
09:08 putti Alright :P
09:08 mveron drojf: Oh yes, indeed... Remains14954...
09:09 * mveron ...mistaked.. Should put his glasses... or buy new ones...
09:15 Francesca wahanui coffee
09:15 wahanui[…]images/coffee.jpg
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09:23 * andreashm waves
09:23 * cait waves
09:25 * cait will be travelling without computer this weekend, so no more qa before sunday night i am afraid
09:26 drojf travelling without computer? you are weird
09:29 mveron cait: Gute Reise!
09:35 Joubu Good morning
09:35 wahanui the only good morning is a dead one
09:42 Francesca lol wahanui
09:48 mveron Hi Joubu :-)
09:48 * mveron is back from a quadruple espresso...
09:49 Francesca lol feeling more awake now mveron?
09:50 mveron Francesca: Yes, a little bit...
10:00 Joubu fyi 3.18.12 is buggy, don't update
10:02 Joubu ok forget that, not critical
10:02 drojf Joubu: what is the problem?
10:02 wahanui
10:03 drojf thanks wahanui, that was helpful
10:03 Joubu drojf: bug 14820 c8
10:03 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14820 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , SMSSendUsername and SMSSendPassword are not listed in the system preferences
10:18 cait drojf: a family thing... they won't let me use it anyway
10:20 cait Joubu: that explains the mail to the mailing list
10:20 Joubu cait: I have answered
10:21 cait Joubu++
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10:25 cait hi Traumatan
10:25 Traumatan hey
10:31 cait Joubu: if you have a second, could you maybe take a look at the last comment on bug 12224? i am not sure about the test question
10:31 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12224 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, j.kylmala, Failed QA , Allow easy printing of patron check-in slip
10:31 cait i'd love to see that move
10:34 Joubu commented
10:35 drojf cait: sounds scary :D
10:36 cait Joubu++ i asked the right person! :)
10:36 cait drojf: hm?
10:36 Joubu cait: he just needs to rebase, the problem is fixed in master
10:36 drojf the family thing :P
10:38 cait drojf: aah, they just expect me to talk to them i guess ;)
10:39 drojf good luck ;)
10:41 drojf later #koha
10:44 Joubu @later tell pianohacker do you know if someone's still using misc/maintenance/
10:44 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
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11:21 * mveron is called to lunch
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11:24 drojf ok so mojolicious- and swagger-things are pushed now and i have to finally learn what that is?
11:25 cait guess so ;)
11:26 drojf if we will actually use it, i think i can do that ;) it was not really obvious to me what of all the things mentioned regarding the api would actually be used and did not bother to check everything ;)
11:31 Joubu yes we have it but without any guidelines to use it from Koha...
11:31 drojf that sounds like it should be fixed… soon
11:35 cait have a nice weekend all
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11:42 drojf is "test prediction pattern" really supposed to start with the first issue publication date, not the subscription start date?
11:42 drojf in the serials module
11:42 drojf i would expect it to predict the pattern for what i am actually going to receive
11:43 drojf or i misinterpret the meaning of first issue publication date
11:44 drojf looks like there are two related bugs in bz
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11:59 drojf can i add "see also" in bz? i thought i had seen that before, but i only have "depends on" and "blocks", both don't really apply
12:01 mveron-away drojf: Top right, below "Ignore Bug Mail"?
12:02 drojf ah, yes. thanks! i would have expected that on the other side with the rest. to small for me to see :D thanks
12:02 drojf mveron++
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12:15 * mveron waves back
12:16 * magnuse waves too
12:16 andreashm hi mveron, magnuse
12:16 mveron :-)
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12:18 tcohen morning
12:19 mveron Hi tcohen :-)
12:21 magnuse tcohen!
12:21 wahanui tcohen is 122
12:21 magnuse uh huh?
12:22 andreashm hi tcohen
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12:27 magnuse tcohen is 123 according to the current history.txt
12:29 mveron Joubu: About Bug 14985 - Are the changes to C4/VirtualShelves/ obsolete?
12:29 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14985 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Remove C4::Dates from 6 files in folder C4/*.pm
12:29 Joubu yes
12:30 drojf putti: did you take over bug 14960 as assignee by accident? you should only do that if you are doing the patches, not if you are testing them :)
12:30 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14960 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, j.kylmala, Needs Signoff , Remove C4::Dates from files in misc/cronjobs
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13:00 andreashm .
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13:07 fridolin tcohen: bonjour
13:07 tcohen hi frido!
13:07 fridolin tcohen: you wanted me for Bug 15142
13:07 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15142 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, NEW , Titles facet does not work in UNIMARC
13:07 tcohen ah, yes
13:08 fridolin i have seen your last message
13:08 fridolin indeed, config is also wrong with GRS1 indexing :D
13:08 tcohen i supposed
13:08 fridolin maybe it is a only-MARC21 feat ?
13:08 fridolin any UNIMARC specialist ?
13:08 tcohen frido, i'm not sure why it is wrong
13:09 fridolin #MarcWars
13:09 fridolin :)
13:09 tcohen why you say...
13:09 fridolin tcohen: ah, simple facet will use su-ut index
13:09 fridolin su-ut => Subject
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13:09 tcohen try applying the biblio-indexdefs-zebra.xsl (unimarc) to a marcxml with any of those fields
13:10 tcohen you will notice that no matter what indexes you have defined
13:10 tcohen the "facets" indexed are populated
13:10 fridolin oki
13:10 tcohen you will see <z:index name="su-ut:0">value<...
13:10 fridolin yep
13:10 tcohen i'm not saying the definition is correct
13:10 fridolin it is build with 5xx
13:11 tcohen only that facets vs. search indexes don't need to match
13:11 fridolin but in koha the link will try to search on Subject
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13:14 fridolin Koha search limit uses the index no ?
13:14 fridolin I try to test on a 3.18
13:16 fridolin tcohen: i confirm, it doe not work
13:16 fridolin I have a UNIMARC + DOM with use_zebra_facets on 1
13:18 barton @seen ashimema
13:18 huginn barton: ashimema was last seen in #koha 1 day, 20 hours, 25 minutes, and 1 second ago: <ashimema> even
13:31 drojf whats the name of the koha statistics thing with the external server?
13:34 mveron
13:35 mveron Administration preferences -> Share anonymous usage statistics
13:38 tcohen #koha: bug 15150 is a blocker for building the packages
13:38 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15150 blocker, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , t/ tests should pass if Test::DBIx::Class is not available
13:38 tcohen please take a look if you have a minute
13:39 mveron drojf: Or do you mean Piwik for your own statistics?
13:39 drojf i meant hea
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13:51 ashimema sorry barton, been bashing bugs in DBIx::Class::DeploymentHandler and Mojolicious::Plugin::Swagger2 the past few days so havn't had a chacne to look at that bug yet.
13:51 ashimema will try to take a look over lunch
13:53 barton thanks ashimema!
13:57 tcohen oh fuck
13:58 barton ??
13:59 tcohen if ( C4::Context->preference('NorwegianPatronDBEnable') && C4::Context->preference('NorwegianPatronDBEnable') == 1 ) {
13:59 tcohen load Koha::NorwegianPatronDB, qw( NLUpdateHashedPIN NLEncryptPIN NLSync );
13:59 tcohen }
13:59 tcohen it requires DB access... to skip loading the lib (99% of the times)
13:59 barton ick.
13:59 tcohen it took me a while
14:00 tcohen to track it down
14:00 tcohen for bug 15151
14:00 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15151 blocker, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , t/Circulation_barcodedecode.t fails if no DB present
14:00 tcohen shouldn't we just require Koha::NorwegianPatronDB ?
14:00 barton oh, so that's a *good* 'oh fuck' :-)
14:01 barton in a manner of speaking.
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14:05 tcohen any norwegian around? :-D
14:05 andreashm_away you mean magnuse? =)
14:06 tcohen magnuse:
14:06 magnuse huh?
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14:08 pastebot "tcohen" at pasted "magnuse: we need to get rid of this" (4 lines) at
14:11 drojf do we have big university libraries with koha other than in france?
14:12 andreashm soon
14:12 andreashm =)
14:12 misilot what's *big* ?
14:12 tcohen drojf: what do u call big?
14:12 drojf heh :) that is great but does not help
14:12 tcohen i work for a 100K students university
14:12 drojf tcohen: ah right you giot a university :)
14:13 tcohen and have 3 customers that are universities
14:13 drojf i would call that big, yes
14:13 * andreashm too
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14:14 misilot guess a 10k student population (on campus / online) isn't that big in comparison for a university
14:14 andreashm tcohen: is that 100k in the database or students at the univ per semester?
14:15 tcohen that's the students that sign for courses at the beggining of the year, and have "some activity"
14:15 tcohen if we don't filter like that, the count is ~120k
14:17 magnuse tcohen: i think i did it like that so that everyone shouldn't have to install SOAP::Lite etc
14:17 andreashm around the same size as us then. we have 60-70k per semester
14:17 magnuse if there is a better way, that is fine by me
14:18 magnuse now i gotta run off and start dinner - visitors coming!
14:18 pastebot "tcohen" at pasted "magnuse: would this work?" (43 lines) at
14:19 mveron putti: I changed Bug 14060 following your comments from today morning - ready again to sign-off :-)
14:19 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14060 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Remove readonly on date inputs
14:19 mveron sorry, mistaked with the bug number...
14:19 mveron Bug 14960
14:19 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14960 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Remove C4::Dates from files in misc/cronjobs
14:20 * mveron should finally put his glasses... And take another quadruple espresso...
14:26 andreashm time to go home. bye #koha
14:27 putti drojf, I took over it for testing. But now I know that in the future i won't do so when only testing :)
14:29 putti mveron++
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14:36 mveron kitoos, putti  :-)
14:37 mveron putti++
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15:00 mveron Joubu++  Bug 15146
15:00 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15146 trivial, P5 - low, ---, veron, Passed QA , Format date of birth on patrons requesting modification page
15:14 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15130: useless unitialization warnings when updating authorities <[…]548613e1b7f5794a3> / Bug 14632: (QA followup) Restore missing "Delete batch" button. <[…]c5eafbb01b176d984> / Bug 14632: Fix alert message for single item batch <http://git.koha-communit
15:19 xarragon Hmm, so is there a way to distinguish between empty strings and undef's/null with the output from CGI?
15:19 xarragon Or do i have to do that manually, converting empty strings to undef?
15:23 * mveron will be back in about 6 hours...
15:24 Joubu xarragon: I don't understand the question, what are you trying to do?
15:24 Joubu $query->param('empty') and  $query->param('do_no_exist') will both return an empty string
15:25 xarragon Ok, but the manual says: "If the parameter does not exist at all, then param() will return undef in a scalar context, and the empty list in a list context."
15:26 xarragon
15:28 xarragon But that is not the issue I am having.. I have a dropdown with a set of values or 'All', represented by an empty string/value. When not set, it defaults to all and I get an empty string. However, my code assumes an unset parameter to be undef.
15:29 xarragon So either I need to make CGI return undef, convert it or have my code accept an empty string as a null value.
15:29 Joubu xarragon: yes sorry, I have tested correctly. Seemed weird
15:30 xarragon Well I am basically just curious what the "best practice" is for building a form where controls can have a null value.
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15:33 Joubu xarragon: $value = undef if $value and $value eq q||
15:34 Joubu but you will have to deal with under vs empty string. Why don't you behave undef and empty string similarly?
15:34 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15150: Make t/ tests skip if Test::DBIx::Class absent <[…]f5ba1f4110476290a>
15:47 drojf what package am i missing for Test::DBIx::Class?
15:54 drojf it's not libdbicx-testdatabase-perl. is it not available in wheezy maybe? i can't seem to find anything
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16:22 putti How can I have a notice witch is in the state waiting?
16:22 putti witch*
16:23 putti which*
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16:56 reiveune bye
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17:04 gaetan_B bye
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17:21 tcohen back
17:23 drojf hi tcohen
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17:28 drojf all C4::Dates patches signed off apart from the one putti was working on
17:29 tcohen yay!
17:29 tcohen koha++
17:38 * drojf heads home
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18:17 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14202: Unexpected parameter for in <[…]022cc3eae6a8b8bf7> / Bug 11431: (QA followup) remove diags <[…]4bccbb15007ecb4ed> / Bug 15146: Format date of birth on patrons requesting modification page <http://git.koha-commu
18:17 tcohen qa?
18:17 wahanui qa is Quality Assurance?
18:17 tcohen ashimema or marcelr?
18:18 tcohen needs someone to qa 15151
18:18 tcohen so we can build the master packages
18:19 tcohen (for the beta ;-))
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18:47 ashimema on it
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18:57 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14878: (QA followup) Remove useless diag <[…]b5e50f66288c474b0> / Bug 14878: Tests - Create the branchcodes when needed <[…]f9d63bb531067da36>
19:00 ashimema done.. looks good
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21:39 mveron Back from BuchBasel (Book festival) and...
21:40 mveron yay! all but one C4:Dates removal bugs signed-off!
21:40 mveron Koha++
22:01 mveron Good night / daytime everybody
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