IRC log for #koha, 2015-09-30

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00:51 wizzyrea ibeardslee: nobody wants to pay for the cert.
00:51 wizzyrea I already pay for the server so
00:52 wizzyrea I'd be SUPERHAPPY to set it up once I have a cert tho
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00:55 eythian wizzyrea: let's encrypt is coming out soon anyway
00:55 wizzyrea yes true
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01:42 eythian khall_away: Koha::Object is way underdocumented, you should explain its purpose and how it should be used in the perldoc, otherwise no one else can meaningfully use it.
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02:10 * eythian wants to be on the QA team just so he can create a form reply saying "You haven't documented this. To the back of the queue!"
02:13 wizzyrea I'm... not sure I disagree with this tactic.
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02:32 Francesca wizzyrea is koha going to mars?[…]n-source-pioneers
02:32 wizzyrea :D
02:32 Francesca if so can I come
02:32 wizzyrea hehe sure
02:32 ibeardslee I'll start a pledgeme campaign .. one way right?
02:32 wizzyrea we must make sure to put the first library on mars.
02:33 wizzyrea I love you to ibeardslee
02:33 wizzyrea too*
02:33 Francesca please make it return
02:33 wizzyrea and it must be a Koha library
02:33 Francesca we shall establish a koha library then return home victorious
02:34 Francesca cdickinson says make it part of the catalyst cloud and establish a data centre on mars
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02:38 wizzyrea Isn't that what the article says?
02:39 wizzyrea also, Ford has made an open standard for integrating phones with cars. That seems... remarkably thoughtful of them.
02:40 * wizzyrea was taught that Ford stood for "Fix or repair daily"
02:40 Francesca hahahaha
02:40 eythian There was a great TAL episode about the US car industry, though focusing on GM
02:40 wizzyrea oh I used to love this american life.
02:40 wizzyrea why did I stop listening to that?
02:41 Francesca why did you?
02:41 eythian http://www.thisamericanlife.or[…]de/561/nummi-2015 <-- this
02:41 wizzyrea oh right because I stopped driving all over northeast kansas fixing computers and soothing librarians.
02:41 Francesca you did that?
02:41 wizzyrea yep :)
02:41 Francesca cdickinson feels sorry for you
02:42 wizzyrea hehe
02:42 eythian <-- wizzyrea, did you know they had a short-lived TV series
02:42 wizzyrea now that I did know
02:42 wizzyrea I think before I was smart, I bought it on iTunes.
02:43 wizzyrea smart*er
02:43 Francesca hahahaha
02:45 wizzyrea
02:45 Francesca ouch
02:46 Francesca cdickinson said something too rude to literally put in here so summed up he called the dog a jerk
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03:12 drescot FREE EBOOKS FOR FREE PEOPLE  http://spiritualwarfare666.web[…]atans_Library.htm
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03:18 ibeardslee haven't they already popped in about that recently?
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05:17 dcook @later tell barton|away left heaps of comments for you on bug 14861
05:17 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded.
05:17 dcook @later tell barton left heaps of comments for you on bug 14861
05:17 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded.
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05:42 dcook I wonder how many commits this VM's git is behind..
05:43 dcook Mmm about a year and a half's worth..
05:43 * Francesca waves at dcook
05:43 dcook heya Francesca
05:43 wahanui is waging a war against the video driver that continues to fail on her vm
05:44 Francesca hahahahahaha
05:44 dcook Good luck with that :p
05:44 Francesca I forgot that one existed
05:44 dcook Actually... I thought that I had fixed that with my VM and now the video driver is having an issue..
05:44 Francesca Lol we managed to fix it in the end
05:44 Francesca it was my vm
05:44 Francesca not wahanuis
05:45 dcook Mine had to do with 3D acceleration I think..
05:45 cdickinson dcook: maybe I can help
05:45 cdickinson what hypervisor are you using?
05:46 Francesca hahahaha cdickinson to the rescue
05:46 Francesca he fixed mine
05:46 cdickinson if it's VirtualBox, then fixing it for Ubuntu or Debian isn't hard, just gotta know what to do
05:47 dcook cdickinson: Yeah, it's Virtualbox and Debian. I fixed it ages ago but it seems like it reverted. I almost never use this VM so I don't really care :)
05:47 Francesca he'll want to fix it now
05:47 dcook hehe
05:47 cdickinson dcook: make sure DKMS is installed, then reinstall the VirtualBox Guest Additions
05:47 Francesca he hates broken slow virtual machines
05:48 cdickinson and make sure VirtualBox is up to date as well
05:48 dcook Sorry, I meant the guest is Debian. The host is Windows.
05:48 cdickinson yep
05:49 cdickinson on the host, update VirtualBox. in the guest, install DKMS and reinstall the VirtualBox Guest Additions
05:49 dcook O_o
05:49 Francesca hahahaha
05:49 dcook Well, I'll take a look at that later :)
05:50 dcook Still only halfway through the git fetch atm..
05:50 cdickinson dcook: all good. run 'glxinfo | grep renderer' after you do it
05:50 cdickinson and see if the renderer is 'Chromium' or something like that
05:50 Francesca I might be able to take a screenshot and stick in here if that helps
05:51 cdickinson as long as it's not LLVMpipe, you're good
05:51 * dcook wonders if anyone noticed when he said that he doesn't really care in this case ;)
05:51 Francesca hahaha
05:51 cdickinson I noticed
05:51 cdickinson but I care
05:51 Francesca cdickinson is like a dog with a home
05:51 dcook haaha
05:51 dcook I like that
05:51 Francesca bone
05:51 dcook I'm the same way
05:51 Francesca if its broken he'll fix it
05:51 * dcook is the pot calling the kettle black
05:51 dcook Only reason I'm on this VM is to see why Zebra isn't working for barton
05:51 * Francesca dies laughing
05:51 Francesca oh
05:52 dcook Even though it works for me :p
05:52 cdickinson lol
05:52 Francesca can't help with that sorry
05:52 dcook I think I'm the Zebra whisperer
05:52 cdickinson you are always supportive in the weirdest of ways, Francesca
05:52 dcook Actually, the problem looks like Koha and not Zebra
05:52 cdickinson in that case, I have a question, dcook
05:52 Francesca actually kohl-community was down earlier
05:52 Francesca koha'
05:52 * Francesca facepalms
05:52 wahanui http://buikitty.files.wordpres[…]120202-094434.jpg
05:53 cdickinson dcook: have any idea how to run a Zebra server on a separate machine from the Koha instance?
05:53 cdickinson literal facepalm
05:53 wahanui cdickinson: facepalm =is= <reply>http://buikitty.files.wordpres[…]120202-094434.jpg|a tiny member of the Arecaceae family whose preference for warm, humid environments makes it a perfect choice for cultivation in the human nasal cavity.
05:53 cdickinson wahanui: facepalm is also <reply>[…]5ibpuFO/giphy.gif
05:53 wahanui okay, cdickinson.
05:54 dcook cdickinson: I haven't done it, but I'd say use tcp rather than unix sockets
05:54 Francesca cdickinson is also <reply> tech support for everyone
05:54 wahanui okay, Francesca.
05:55 cdickinson when configuring the listen segments?
05:55 cdickinson in koha-conf.xml
05:55 dcook Yep
05:55 dcook koha-conf.xml should even have the instructions inside
05:55 cdickinson I suspect doesn't
05:55 cdickinson but there was an example one in the git repo which was more helpful
05:56 dcook I really wish that I used Debian for Koha sometimes :p
05:56 dcook Being the odd one out is no fun :p
05:56 Francesca literal cdickinson
05:56 wahanui Francesca: cdickinson =is= <reply> I run windows. Don't judge me.|dirt poor most of the time|<reply> I've been awake for 30 hours. Please don't judge me.|<reply> tech support for everyone
05:56 Francesca he runs windows dcook
05:56 Francesca you're not alone
05:56 cdickinson dcook: I use Ubuntu on my Koha as a Service, though I made everything as platform-agnostic as possible
05:56 cdickinson in fact, I had to add hacks to make it work on Ubuntu >_>
05:56 Francesca and I run mac os x and ubuntu on a vm so
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05:57 dcook Hmm? Hacks to work on Ubuntu?
05:57 dcook That's... surprising
05:57 dcook I have Koha running on Ubuntu on AWS without any hacks me thinks
05:57 dcook Or do you mean for your "as a Service" stuff specifically?
05:57 cdickinson in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, libapache2-mod-itk has a dumb bug that stops it configuring if the default MPM is configured
05:58 Francesca cdickinson can we show him your webpage
05:58 cdickinson had to work around that in my Koha Puppet module in order to get it to work
05:58 Francesca for your project
05:58 dcook Really?
05:58 wahanui Really is more trouble than she's worth.
05:58 dcook I mean
05:58 cdickinson yep
05:58 dcook I know about *mod-itk
05:58 dcook I managed it with Chef all right
05:58 dcook I probably have the recipe around somewhere..
05:58 * Francesca slow claps
05:58 cdickinson wait a minute
05:58 Francesca I see what you did there
05:58 cdickinson I actually branched the official Apache Puppet module in order to fix that
05:59 dcook Ahhhh, I gotcha now
05:59 dcook Puppet calls them modules?
05:59 dcook Some of the recipes for Chef out there aren't so great..
05:59 dcook AWS's Chef modules are crap as well..
05:59 dcook err recipes
06:00 cdickinson modules are user-written, and let you install things like Apache
06:00 * dcook really is an Ansible convert these days
06:00 cdickinson and yes, some of them are not so great
06:00 dcook The AWS ones have to do with namespace conflicts unfortunately...
06:00 dcook I think they might fix it eventually
06:00 dcook Man this is slow..
06:00 cdickinson lol
06:00 cdickinson configuration management
06:01 cdickinson basically, a good idea
06:01 cdickinson but when did it become something that causes you nightmares
06:01 pastebot "dcook" at pasted "Ubuntu and Apache 2.4" (16 lines) at
06:02 dcook When AWS re-uses common names for their own whacky recipes..
06:02 dcook cdickinson: That's all I did in Chef to get around that libapache2-mod-itk issue
06:02 dcook I think..
06:02 cdickinson ouch
06:02 cdickinson dcook: one sec, I'll post mine
06:04 * Francesca is writing another essay about cats
06:05 pastebot "cdickinson" at pasted "Apache Puppet Module hack" (27 lines) at
06:06 cdickinson basically, since the event MPM always gets installed no matter how much I told it not to, I got rid of the configuration files after package install
06:07 dcook That certainly seems hacky
06:07 dcook Why not just unload it using the Apache commands?
06:07 cdickinson a solution like yours would have been nice, but the Apache Puppet module doesn't have an 'ensure' parameter, which would do the same sort of thing
06:07 * dcook has never used Puppet
06:08 cdickinson dcook: I could, but that would be worse, because then I'd have to run an extra command to make sure it would need to be run in the first place
06:08 dcook "make sure it would need to be run in the first place"?
06:08 cdickinson when you define a resource in Puppet, it has to only make the change if it needs to
06:08 cdickinson for command executions, you need to define this yourself
06:08 dcook Right
06:08 dcook Ack phone
06:09 cdickinson they wouldn't accept this upstream, I think
06:09 cdickinson but I don't really agree with how the module is designed, anyway
06:10 dcook Hmm I think I might understand..
06:10 dcook So with Chef, I was preloading an Apache recipe from... I can't remember who
06:10 dcook But after that was run, then I did the unloading/loading as required with no fuss
06:11 cdickinson yeah
06:11 cdickinson I might be able to do it in a nicer way
06:11 dcook Can't remember if it does checking itself or not..
06:11 dcook Ah right... there was also an apache_module resource
06:11 cdickinson can just get it to uninstall the event MPM package, instead of just removing the files
06:11 cdickinson I would try it, but this works
06:11 dcook Still don't get why you can't  just disable it :p
06:12 dcook How is this Git still stuck at 61%..
06:12 cdickinson ah
06:12 dcook 1.5 years worth of commits... boo
06:12 cdickinson lol
06:12 cdickinson I can't just disable it because the resource in this module doesn't have any method of doing that
06:12 cdickinson the resource that handles the MPMs
06:12 dcook Ahh, that would be annoying
06:12 cdickinson basically, if you define an MPM resource in Puppet, you want it installed
06:12 cdickinson and that's it
06:13 cdickinson I can change it so that you can do that, but that's a major change
06:13 cdickinson it's usually done with an 'ensure' parameter, which controls the state of the resource
06:14 cdickinson generally, if you do it in one thing, you should do it for everything, though
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06:15 cdickinphone Blue careened
06:15 cdickinphone Screened*
06:15 cdickinphone Really should adjust that Overclock
06:16 mtj[…]e-Versioning.html
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06:48 ashimema morning
06:49 dcook afternoon ashimema :)
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06:54 reiveune hello
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07:00 Francesca evening ashimema, reiveune
07:00 reiveune hi Francesca
07:00 Francesca sup
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07:03 alex_a bonjour
07:03 wahanui hola, alex_a
07:04 dcook 84%..
07:04 dcook That's 23% in roughly 1 hour..
07:04 Francesca 84%?
07:04 wahanui 0.84
07:04 dcook Still fetching :p
07:04 Francesca how long has that been going on for
07:04 dcook I'm guessing about 1.5 hours?
07:04 Francesca wow
07:04 cdickinson sounds like a RAID rebuild or something
07:05 Francesca RAID?
07:05 cdickinson Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks
07:05 cdickinson basically, a group of hard drives working together
07:05 Francesca oh ok
07:05 cdickinson to provide faster and more redundant storage
07:05 dcook Yeah I'm not sure why it's taking forever
07:06 dcook But I think it's about time I head home
07:06 cdickinson rebuilding RAID arrays can take forevahhh
07:06 * Francesca thinks that dcook should check his driver
07:06 * dcook glares at Francesca
07:06 * Francesca cowers in fear
07:07 dcook :p
07:07 dcook 88%...
07:07 Francesca so close yet so far
07:07 dcook Indeed!
07:07 liw estimated to rebuild a RAID is MTBF+1 day
07:08 Francesca ugh
07:08 Francesca thats ages
07:10 dcook Done :)
07:10 dcook So considerably less than a RAID build :)
07:10 Francesca yay finally!
07:10 dcook 3561 commits behind
07:10 cdickinson pretty much
07:10 cdickinson lol liw
07:10 Francesca Home time for you now?
07:10 dcook Mmm... I'm going to pull a cdickinson and keep poking
07:10 dcook My wife doesn't get done work for a while so I still have a bit of time to shop and cook
07:10 * dcook is super husband
07:11 * cdickinson is not a husband
07:11 cdickinson but I feel helpful
07:11 dcook Missing dependencies... *sigh*
07:11 * dcook hopes this goes faster
07:11 * Francesca hopes that cdickinson is not a husband
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07:12 Francesca that would be awkward
07:12 cdickinson yep, for sure
07:12 dcook ?
07:12 Francesca heh sorry
07:12 Francesca hard to explain
07:12 dcook Interesting..
07:12 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
07:12 Francesca actually that sums it up pretty well
07:13 cdickinson hard to explain? or interesting?
07:13 cdickinson or both?
07:13 wahanui both is best :)
07:13 dcook Oooh this is the first time I've had to update config files for a package install... neato
07:13 dcook Now I'm curious :p
07:14 Francesca cdickinson if a question comes you're answering
07:15 cdickinson alright
07:15 Francesca I'm not tech support
07:15 dcook Woohoo. Install done.
07:15 Francesca also essay
07:15 * Francesca sighs
07:15 Francesca yay!
07:15 dcook Bah.. so many steps..
07:15 dcook Shouldn't this have autoupgraded..
07:15 Francesca hahahahaha
07:15 wahanui it has been said that hahahahaha is there someone else we should ask?
07:15 Francesca poke it with a stick
07:15 dcook Oh wait.. git install
07:16 dcook Bah..
07:17 dcook So what questions were there?
07:17 Francesca wahanui bah is bah humbug
07:17 wahanui OK, Francesca.
07:17 cdickinson you tell me, dcook
07:18 dcook cdickinson, you sound like wahanui now :p
07:18 Francesca lol
07:18 Francesca oh god
07:18 Francesca be cdickinson
07:18 wahanui theres a sub-reddit for that
07:18 Francesca now wahanui sounds like cdickinson
07:18 cdickinson wahanui: be cdickinson is also wahanui
07:18 wahanui okay, cdickinson.
07:19 cdickinson be cdickinson
07:19 wahanui Francesca's BRAAAAAAAIN!
07:19 Francesca wahanui you are also cdickinson
07:19 wahanui okay, Francesca.
07:19 cdickinson <wahanui> Francesca's BRAAAAAAAIN! <--- what the
07:19 Francesca oh my god I just lost it
07:19 Francesca I think it was set to your braaaaaaain
07:19 dcook Muahaha
07:20 dcook I got it working
07:20 Francesca dunno why or how my name got in there though
07:20 Francesca yay!
07:20 Francesca nice and fast now?
07:20 cdickinson someone has ideas, Francesca
07:20 Francesca duh duh duuuuuuuh
07:20 Francesca dcook: well done, have a beer
07:20 cdickinson passing the question baton over to you, Francesca
07:20 dcook Although this doesn't explain why barton was having problem..
07:20 Francesca @bartender dcook
07:20 cdickinson gotta step out for a while
07:20 * huginn fills a pint glass with Maredsous 8, and sends it sliding down the bar to dcook (
07:20 cdickinson be back soon
07:20 Francesca bye
07:21 Francesca @wunder elg
07:21 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in El Golea, Algeria is 21.0°C (8:00 AM CET on September 30, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
07:21 Francesca oops
07:21 Francesca @wunder wlg
07:21 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (8:00 PM NZDT on September 30, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
07:23 dcook Yikes... something didn't go well in master on my vm..
07:23 dcook Allowed me to create a record without required fields... yikes
07:24 Francesca argh more work
07:24 dcook Well, it might just be IceWeasel..
07:25 Francesca IceWeasel??
07:25 wahanui IceWeasel is probably pretty much firefox without the non-free bits
07:25 Francesca oh
07:25 Francesca thanks wahanui, botsnack cookie
07:25 dcook Actually, I guess I'm using Chromium
07:25 Francesca ah
07:32 dcook Ok, I think mystery solved
07:32 dcook I think barton was editing the wrong file..
07:33 * dcook goes home after leaving a million bugzilla comments
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07:33 dcook @later tell barton I think you may have been editing the wrong file. See the bug report for details.
07:33 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded.
07:35 * Francesca waves goodbye to dcook if he hasn't already left
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07:39 gaetan_B hello
07:42 cait hi all :)
07:56 Francesca heya
07:57 cdickinson alright, I'm back
08:26 cait cdickinson: what time is it in nz right now? i think it's now 11 hours apart or so from us?
08:26 cdickinson cait: it's 9:25pm
08:26 cdickinson daylight savings just changed on Sunday morning
08:26 cait ah yeah
08:26 cait it's 10:25 am here
08:27 cdickinson your day is just starting
08:27 cdickinson enjoy
08:27 cait true, but time is still going by to fast already :)
08:28 cdickinson not enough time to do the work you have?
08:28 cdickinson that's how it feels for me
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08:49 Francesca night all
08:49 wahanui goodnight Francesca. You'll be back.
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09:34 cait so quiet...
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09:45 magnuse cait: hush...
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10:43 darrensampson im trying to import a csv of my catalog taken from another system and cannot find how to import this in to Koha?
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11:12 magnuse @later tell darrensampson you can't import bibliographic records as svc into koha, you have to transform them into MARC records first
11:12 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.
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11:58 Malumfashee is there anyone online to help?
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12:25 jajm jcamins around ?
12:26 jcamins Not for Koha-related things.
12:26 jcamins Why?
12:26 jajm i have a koha-related question :)
12:27 jajm i just want to know if you plan to work on bug 7419
12:27 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Failed QA , Add authority deduplication script
12:28 jcamins Probably not.
12:30 jajm jcamins, i never managed to get your script working, could you try to answer my last comment, when you have time ?
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12:31 jcamins Any is not configured in UNIMARC, it looks like.
12:35 jajm it would be strange... but i will check that
12:35 jajm thanks
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15:19 nitz0 @tea
15:19 huginn nitz0: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
15:20 nitz0 @sortinghat
15:20 huginn Hmm... nitz0... Let me see now... GRYFFINDOR!
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15:44 reiveune bye
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15:56 cait @sortinghat
15:56 huginn Hmm... cait... Let me see now... SLYTHERIN!
15:56 cait ugh
16:00 cait @sortinghat
16:00 huginn Hmm... cait... Let me see now... GRYFFINDOR!
16:09 nitz0 haha
16:10 druthb @sortinghat
16:10 huginn Hmm... druthb... Let me see now... RAVENCLAW!
16:10 druthb :/
16:11 * druthb files a Bugzilla against the Hat, as she's clearly a Hufflepuff.
16:12 cait huh
16:12 cait why is the only reference to OPACFineNoRenewals i can find in the database in the updatedatabase and release notes? :(
16:13 cait oh, whitespace
16:13 wahanui whitespace is[…]patches-with-git/
16:13 * cait nods
16:13 cait the hat is clearly malfunctioning
16:14 druthb It figured it out on second try for you, tho
16:14 cait hm not sure
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16:29 drojf evening
16:29 drojf eythian++
16:30 cait hi drojf
16:30 cait slept in?
16:30 cait :)
16:30 drojf cait: heh. i wish. slept little, got a flu
16:31 cait ew
16:31 drojf i hope i can instantly kill it
16:31 drojf no time for that
16:32 cait i am glad you are far far away from me right now :)
16:33 drojf did you see the rvk-visual thing on inetbib?
16:33 cait nope?
16:33 wahanui somebody said nope was
16:34 cait i am waiding through rda docs...
16:34 cait wading even
16:34 drojf oh that sounds like fun
16:34 cait hmpf
16:34 drojf can you explain it to me when you are done? :)
16:34 cait not sure
16:34 cait but it starts here...
16:34 cait they are swtiching the union catalog during the weekend
16:34 cait so coming monday the libraries are allowed to catalog in RDA
16:35 cait and then beginning next year it's going to be mandatory
16:35 drojf oh, already? waah
16:35 cait waah.
16:35 drojf can't we pretend it is not there until it goes away? :)
16:35 cait i don't think so
16:36 drojf :(
16:36 drojf not fair
16:36 cait there are some rda sample records on our website -but they have some bugs. i can let you know when they get updated
16:36 drojf great!
16:36 cait they already fixed some things - so waiting for a newer version :)
16:37 cait @marc 264
16:37 huginn cait: unknown tag 264
16:37 drojf heh
16:37 drojf good bot
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16:41 * cait tries to see how the publisher ifnormation gets into the cart
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16:47 cait looking at this... it shouldn't even work now
16:49 magnuse rda--
16:50 magnuse lipstick on a very old and sick pig...
17:02 cait it will give us big big problems
17:02 cait mostly the 260/264 is pretty horrible
17:02 jcamins cait: MARC causing problems?
17:02 cait sssh don't tell anyone
17:02 cait bug 10306
17:02 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10306 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Publication information can only be mapped to either 260 or 264 (RDA)
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17:04 cait i currently have no ide how to fix this
17:04 cait any constructive ideas welcome
17:04 pianohacker ohhh this is where the major practice of always getting mappings from the default framework bites us in the butt :/
17:05 cait yep
17:05 cait we already have a big unimarc/marc21 issue with copyrightdate and publicationyear
17:05 jcamins cait: does "eradicate MARC like enemies of the dalek" count as a constructive idea?
17:05 cait but this makes it entirely worse
17:05 cait jcamins: nope.
17:06 cait pianohacker: seriously... i need to find a way to fix this
17:06 cait or 'we' do
17:06 pianohacker ... I think the only thing you can really do is have a separate framework and make everything that looks for mappings pass the framework code, cait
17:06 cait ... so good ideas are very welcome
17:06 * jcamins rocks back and forth, dalek-like and says "EX-TER-MIN-ATE EX-TER-MIN-ATE."
17:06 cait it will at least affect all export formats that are not marc and all displays we built without looking at the marc record... so practically everywhere but result list and detail page :(
17:07 pianohacker cait: yup :/
17:07 cait i am not sure if extending the koha-to-marc-mappings is the way to go
17:07 pianohacker wahanui: marc is <action>rocks back and forth, dalek-like and says "EX-TER-MIN-ATE EX-TER-MIN-ATE."
17:07 wahanui ...but marc is the standard that isn't|<reply>|<reply>The MARC specs live at - abandon hope all ye who enter here.|
17:07 pianohacker wahanui: marc is also <action>rocks back and forth, dalek-like and says "EX-TER-MIN-ATE EX-TER-MIN-ATE."
17:07 wahanui okay, pianohacker.
17:07 cait but on the other hand... it could allow for non marc stuff mappings too in the future? :)
17:07 jcamins marc?
17:07 wahanui marc is the standard that isn't
17:08 jcamins marc?
17:08 wahanui marc is probably the standard that isn't
17:08 jcamins marc?
17:08 wahanui marc is
17:08 jcamins marc?
17:08 * wahanui rocks back and forth, dalek-like and says "EX-TER-MIN-ATE EX-TER-MIN-ATE."
17:08 cait marc?
17:08 wahanui The MARC specs live at - abandon hope all ye who enter here.
17:08 jcamins Nice!
17:08 jcamins I didn't know you could do that.
17:08 cait pianohacker: but ... that's huge
17:08 cait pianohacker: we might need a quicker fix to just have things at least working somewhoe?
17:08 cait or maybe it would be the fastest solution... just no idea how to do it
17:09 pianohacker cait: :/ we already handle a lot of this stuff with piecemeal hardcoded hacks
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17:09 pianohacker like how we fetch eans/upcs/isbns
17:09 cait we do a bit of stuff for publicationyear/copyrightyear - but haven't found much else
17:10 pianohacker cait: plus there's, you know, C4/
17:10 cait maybe something for the dev meeting
17:10 pianohacker which is a different bucket of crazy
17:10 cait heh
17:10 pianohacker yeah, I'd say so
17:10 cait but that's not affected here i think
17:10 cait not even part of the mappings
17:10 pianohacker no, thank god
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17:10 pianohacker there are no mappings... it's alllllll hardcoded
17:10 cait well..y eah
17:10 cait but at least in a central place ;)
17:11 pianohacker *shiver* I guess :)
17:11 cait i will try to send an email today or tomorrow about the bug... maybe someone has a good idea how to solve it
17:12 pianohacker cait: as someone not as familiar with the cataloging side of this, can you do something as simple as checking for RDA info first then falling back to MARC21?
17:12 cait heh
17:12 cait marc21 is the format
17:12 cait rda is the cataloguing rules
17:13 pianohacker that falls under the category of "piecemeal hack," not "proper boil-the-ocean solution," but...
17:13 cait replacing rak for us and i think aacr2 for you
17:13 cait it's both still in marc... until bibframe
17:13 pianohacker cait: wasn't quite sure whether to say aacr2 or marc21 (or usmarc)
17:13 pianohacker they all get a bit jumbled on occasion :)
17:13 cait i know that our union catalog puts rda in 040$e - but i am nto sure if that is a general thing
17:14 cait but you can fall back i think, like look for 264 first (which would only appear in an rda record) and then fall back to 260
17:14 pianohacker okay, yeah
17:14 cait the problem is
17:14 cait hm
17:14 cait everytime we look up data in the database fields like here
17:15 cait GetBiblioData
17:15 cait[…]1bced32dab2b#l774
17:16 cait ... so koha-to-marc-mappings... hm.
17:16 cait i am not sure where in the code it happens yet, somewhere during import?
17:19 cait TransformMarcToKoha
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18:43 charles_ Is there documentation on how to mock database transaction in unit tests with the new schema->resultset ?
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20:22 * Francesca waves
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21:33 eythian hi
21:33 wahanui privet, eythian
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22:22 Francesca @wunder wlg
22:22 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on October 01, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
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22:36 cait @wunder Konstanz
22:36 huginn cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 9.7°C (12:36 AM CEST on October 01, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
22:36 Francesca wow its actually colder where you are
22:38 eythian it is also after midnight there :)
22:38 wahanui okay, eythian.
22:38 eythian hush wahanui
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