Time Nick Message 00:51 wizzyrea ibeardslee: nobody wants to pay for the cert. 00:51 wizzyrea I already pay for the server so 00:52 wizzyrea I'd be SUPERHAPPY to set it up once I have a cert tho 00:55 eythian wizzyrea: let's encrypt is coming out soon anyway 00:55 wizzyrea yes true 01:42 eythian khall_away: Koha::Object is way underdocumented, you should explain its purpose and how it should be used in the perldoc, otherwise no one else can meaningfully use it. 02:10 * eythian wants to be on the QA team just so he can create a form reply saying "You haven't documented this. To the back of the queue!" 02:13 wizzyrea I'm... not sure I disagree with this tactic. 02:32 Francesca wizzyrea is koha going to mars? https://catalyst.net.nz/news/mars-beckons-open-source-pioneers 02:32 wizzyrea :D 02:32 Francesca if so can I come 02:32 wizzyrea hehe sure 02:32 ibeardslee I'll start a pledgeme campaign .. one way right? 02:32 wizzyrea we must make sure to put the first library on mars. 02:33 wizzyrea I love you to ibeardslee 02:33 wizzyrea too* 02:33 Francesca please make it return 02:33 wizzyrea and it must be a Koha library 02:33 Francesca we shall establish a koha library then return home victorious 02:34 Francesca cdickinson says make it part of the catalyst cloud and establish a data centre on mars 02:38 wizzyrea Isn't that what the article says? 02:39 wizzyrea also, Ford has made an open standard for integrating phones with cars. That seems... remarkably thoughtful of them. 02:40 * wizzyrea was taught that Ford stood for "Fix or repair daily" 02:40 Francesca hahahaha 02:40 eythian There was a great TAL episode about the US car industry, though focusing on GM 02:40 wizzyrea oh I used to love this american life. 02:40 wizzyrea why did I stop listening to that? 02:41 Francesca why did you? 02:41 eythian http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/561/nummi-2015 <-- this 02:41 wizzyrea oh right because I stopped driving all over northeast kansas fixing computers and soothing librarians. 02:41 Francesca you did that? 02:41 wizzyrea yep :) 02:41 Francesca cdickinson feels sorry for you 02:42 wizzyrea hehe 02:42 eythian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzQW72hk8B4 <-- wizzyrea, did you know they had a short-lived TV series 02:42 wizzyrea now that I did know 02:42 wizzyrea I think before I was smart, I bought it on iTunes. 02:43 wizzyrea smart*er 02:43 Francesca hahahaha 02:45 wizzyrea http://ministryofgifs.org/post/130175259402 02:45 Francesca ouch 02:46 Francesca cdickinson said something too rude to literally put in here so summed up he called the dog a jerk 03:12 drescot FREE EBOOKS FOR FREE PEOPLE http://spiritualwarfare666.webs.com/Satans_Library.htm 03:18 ibeardslee haven't they already popped in about that recently? 05:17 dcook @later tell barton|away left heaps of comments for you on bug 14861 05:17 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded. 05:17 dcook @later tell barton left heaps of comments for you on bug 14861 05:17 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded. 05:42 dcook I wonder how many commits this VM's git is behind.. 05:43 dcook Mmm about a year and a half's worth.. 05:43 * Francesca waves at dcook 05:43 dcook heya Francesca 05:43 wahanui is waging a war against the video driver that continues to fail on her vm 05:44 Francesca hahahahahaha 05:44 dcook Good luck with that :p 05:44 Francesca I forgot that one existed 05:44 dcook Actually... I thought that I had fixed that with my VM and now the video driver is having an issue.. 05:44 Francesca Lol we managed to fix it in the end 05:44 Francesca it was my vm 05:44 Francesca not wahanuis 05:45 dcook Mine had to do with 3D acceleration I think.. 05:45 cdickinson dcook: maybe I can help 05:45 cdickinson what hypervisor are you using? 05:46 Francesca hahahaha cdickinson to the rescue 05:46 Francesca he fixed mine 05:46 cdickinson if it's VirtualBox, then fixing it for Ubuntu or Debian isn't hard, just gotta know what to do 05:47 dcook cdickinson: Yeah, it's Virtualbox and Debian. I fixed it ages ago but it seems like it reverted. I almost never use this VM so I don't really care :) 05:47 Francesca he'll want to fix it now 05:47 dcook hehe 05:47 cdickinson dcook: make sure DKMS is installed, then reinstall the VirtualBox Guest Additions 05:47 Francesca he hates broken slow virtual machines 05:48 cdickinson and make sure VirtualBox is up to date as well 05:48 dcook Sorry, I meant the guest is Debian. The host is Windows. 05:48 cdickinson yep 05:49 cdickinson on the host, update VirtualBox. in the guest, install DKMS and reinstall the VirtualBox Guest Additions 05:49 dcook O_o 05:49 Francesca hahahaha 05:49 dcook Well, I'll take a look at that later :) 05:50 dcook Still only halfway through the git fetch atm.. 05:50 cdickinson dcook: all good. run 'glxinfo | grep renderer' after you do it 05:50 cdickinson and see if the renderer is 'Chromium' or something like that 05:50 Francesca I might be able to take a screenshot and stick in here if that helps 05:51 cdickinson as long as it's not LLVMpipe, you're good 05:51 * dcook wonders if anyone noticed when he said that he doesn't really care in this case ;) 05:51 Francesca hahaha 05:51 cdickinson I noticed 05:51 cdickinson but I care 05:51 Francesca cdickinson is like a dog with a home 05:51 dcook haaha 05:51 dcook I like that 05:51 Francesca bone 05:51 dcook I'm the same way 05:51 Francesca if its broken he'll fix it 05:51 * dcook is the pot calling the kettle black 05:51 dcook Only reason I'm on this VM is to see why Zebra isn't working for barton 05:51 * Francesca dies laughing 05:51 Francesca oh 05:52 dcook Even though it works for me :p 05:52 cdickinson lol 05:52 Francesca can't help with that sorry 05:52 dcook I think I'm the Zebra whisperer 05:52 cdickinson you are always supportive in the weirdest of ways, Francesca 05:52 dcook Actually, the problem looks like Koha and not Zebra 05:52 cdickinson in that case, I have a question, dcook 05:52 Francesca actually kohl-community was down earlier 05:52 Francesca koha' 05:52 * Francesca facepalms 05:52 wahanui http://buikitty.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/20120202-094434.jpg 05:53 cdickinson dcook: have any idea how to run a Zebra server on a separate machine from the Koha instance? 05:53 cdickinson literal facepalm 05:53 wahanui cdickinson: facepalm =is= <reply>http://buikitty.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/20120202-094434.jpg|a tiny member of the Arecaceae family whose preference for warm, humid environments makes it a perfect choice for cultivation in the human nasal cavity. 05:53 cdickinson wahanui: facepalm is also <reply> http://media1.giphy.com/media/6OWIl75ibpuFO/giphy.gif 05:53 wahanui okay, cdickinson. 05:54 dcook cdickinson: I haven't done it, but I'd say use tcp rather than unix sockets 05:54 Francesca cdickinson is also <reply> tech support for everyone 05:54 wahanui okay, Francesca. 05:55 cdickinson when configuring the listen segments? 05:55 cdickinson in koha-conf.xml 05:55 dcook Yep 05:55 dcook koha-conf.xml should even have the instructions inside 05:55 cdickinson I suspect koha-conf-site.xml.in doesn't 05:55 cdickinson but there was an example one in the git repo which was more helpful 05:56 dcook I really wish that I used Debian for Koha sometimes :p 05:56 dcook Being the odd one out is no fun :p 05:56 Francesca literal cdickinson 05:56 wahanui Francesca: cdickinson =is= <reply> I run windows. Don't judge me.|dirt poor most of the time|<reply> I've been awake for 30 hours. Please don't judge me.|<reply> tech support for everyone 05:56 Francesca he runs windows dcook 05:56 Francesca you're not alone 05:56 cdickinson dcook: I use Ubuntu on my Koha as a Service, though I made everything as platform-agnostic as possible 05:56 cdickinson in fact, I had to add hacks to make it work on Ubuntu >_> 05:56 Francesca and I run mac os x and ubuntu on a vm so 05:57 dcook Hmm? Hacks to work on Ubuntu? 05:57 dcook That's... surprising 05:57 dcook I have Koha running on Ubuntu on AWS without any hacks me thinks 05:57 dcook Or do you mean for your "as a Service" stuff specifically? 05:57 cdickinson in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, libapache2-mod-itk has a dumb bug that stops it configuring if the default MPM is configured 05:58 Francesca cdickinson can we show him your webpage 05:58 cdickinson had to work around that in my Koha Puppet module in order to get it to work 05:58 Francesca for your project 05:58 dcook Really? 05:58 wahanui Really is more trouble than she's worth. 05:58 dcook I mean 05:58 cdickinson yep 05:58 dcook I know about *mod-itk 05:58 dcook I managed it with Chef all right 05:58 dcook I probably have the recipe around somewhere.. 05:58 * Francesca slow claps 05:58 cdickinson wait a minute 05:58 Francesca I see what you did there 05:58 cdickinson I actually branched the official Apache Puppet module in order to fix that 05:59 dcook Ahhhh, I gotcha now 05:59 dcook Puppet calls them modules? 05:59 dcook Some of the recipes for Chef out there aren't so great.. 05:59 dcook AWS's Chef modules are crap as well.. 05:59 dcook err recipes 06:00 cdickinson modules are user-written, and let you install things like Apache 06:00 * dcook really is an Ansible convert these days 06:00 cdickinson and yes, some of them are not so great 06:00 dcook The AWS ones have to do with namespace conflicts unfortunately... 06:00 dcook I think they might fix it eventually 06:00 dcook Man this is slow.. 06:00 cdickinson lol 06:00 cdickinson configuration management 06:01 cdickinson basically, a good idea 06:01 cdickinson but when did it become something that causes you nightmares 06:01 pastebot "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Ubuntu and Apache 2.4" (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/85 06:02 dcook When AWS re-uses common names for their own whacky recipes.. 06:02 dcook cdickinson: That's all I did in Chef to get around that libapache2-mod-itk issue 06:02 dcook I think.. 06:02 cdickinson ouch 06:02 cdickinson dcook: one sec, I'll post mine 06:04 * Francesca is writing another essay about cats 06:05 pastebot "cdickinson" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Apache Puppet Module hack" (27 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/86 06:06 cdickinson basically, since the event MPM always gets installed no matter how much I told it not to, I got rid of the configuration files after package install 06:07 dcook That certainly seems hacky 06:07 dcook Why not just unload it using the Apache commands? 06:07 cdickinson a solution like yours would have been nice, but the Apache Puppet module doesn't have an 'ensure' parameter, which would do the same sort of thing 06:07 * dcook has never used Puppet 06:08 cdickinson dcook: I could, but that would be worse, because then I'd have to run an extra command to make sure it would need to be run in the first place 06:08 dcook "make sure it would need to be run in the first place"? 06:08 cdickinson when you define a resource in Puppet, it has to only make the change if it needs to 06:08 cdickinson for command executions, you need to define this yourself 06:08 dcook Right 06:08 dcook Ack phone 06:09 cdickinson they wouldn't accept this upstream, I think 06:09 cdickinson but I don't really agree with how the module is designed, anyway 06:10 dcook Hmm I think I might understand.. 06:10 dcook So with Chef, I was preloading an Apache recipe from... I can't remember who 06:10 dcook But after that was run, then I did the unloading/loading as required with no fuss 06:11 cdickinson yeah 06:11 cdickinson I might be able to do it in a nicer way 06:11 dcook Can't remember if it does checking itself or not.. 06:11 dcook Ah right... there was also an apache_module resource 06:11 cdickinson can just get it to uninstall the event MPM package, instead of just removing the files 06:11 cdickinson I would try it, but this works 06:11 dcook Still don't get why you can't just disable it :p 06:12 dcook How is this Git still stuck at 61%.. 06:12 cdickinson ah 06:12 dcook 1.5 years worth of commits... boo 06:12 cdickinson lol 06:12 cdickinson I can't just disable it because the resource in this module doesn't have any method of doing that 06:12 cdickinson the resource that handles the MPMs 06:12 dcook Ahh, that would be annoying 06:12 cdickinson basically, if you define an MPM resource in Puppet, you want it installed 06:12 cdickinson and that's it 06:13 cdickinson I can change it so that you can do that, but that's a major change 06:13 cdickinson it's usually done with an 'ensure' parameter, which controls the state of the resource 06:14 cdickinson generally, if you do it in one thing, you should do it for everything, though 06:15 cdickinphone Blue careened 06:15 cdickinphone Screened* 06:15 cdickinphone Really should adjust that Overclock 06:16 mtj http://joabj.com/Writing/Tech/Dev/1509-Software-Versioning.html 06:48 ashimema morning 06:49 dcook afternoon ashimema :) 06:54 reiveune hello 07:00 Francesca evening ashimema, reiveune 07:00 reiveune hi Francesca 07:00 Francesca sup 07:03 alex_a bonjour 07:03 wahanui hola, alex_a 07:04 dcook 84%.. 07:04 dcook That's 23% in roughly 1 hour.. 07:04 Francesca 84%? 07:04 wahanui 0.84 07:04 dcook Still fetching :p 07:04 Francesca how long has that been going on for 07:04 dcook I'm guessing about 1.5 hours? 07:04 Francesca wow 07:04 cdickinson sounds like a RAID rebuild or something 07:05 Francesca RAID? 07:05 cdickinson Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks 07:05 cdickinson basically, a group of hard drives working together 07:05 Francesca oh ok 07:05 cdickinson to provide faster and more redundant storage 07:05 dcook Yeah I'm not sure why it's taking forever 07:06 dcook But I think it's about time I head home 07:06 cdickinson rebuilding RAID arrays can take forevahhh 07:06 * Francesca thinks that dcook should check his driver 07:06 * dcook glares at Francesca 07:06 * Francesca cowers in fear 07:07 dcook :p 07:07 dcook 88%... 07:07 Francesca so close yet so far 07:07 dcook Indeed! 07:07 liw estimated to rebuild a RAID is MTBF+1 day 07:08 Francesca ugh 07:08 Francesca thats ages 07:10 dcook Done :) 07:10 dcook So considerably less than a RAID build :) 07:10 Francesca yay finally! 07:10 dcook 3561 commits behind 07:10 cdickinson pretty much 07:10 cdickinson lol liw 07:10 Francesca Home time for you now? 07:10 dcook Mmm... I'm going to pull a cdickinson and keep poking 07:10 dcook My wife doesn't get done work for a while so I still have a bit of time to shop and cook 07:10 * dcook is super husband 07:11 * cdickinson is not a husband 07:11 cdickinson but I feel helpful 07:11 dcook Missing dependencies... *sigh* 07:11 * dcook hopes this goes faster 07:11 * Francesca hopes that cdickinson is not a husband 07:12 Francesca that would be awkward 07:12 cdickinson yep, for sure 07:12 dcook ? 07:12 Francesca heh sorry 07:12 Francesca hard to explain 07:12 dcook Interesting.. 07:12 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 07:12 Francesca actually that sums it up pretty well 07:13 cdickinson hard to explain? or interesting? 07:13 cdickinson or both? 07:13 wahanui both is best :) 07:13 dcook Oooh this is the first time I've had to update config files for a package install... neato 07:13 dcook Now I'm curious :p 07:14 Francesca cdickinson if a question comes you're answering 07:15 cdickinson alright 07:15 Francesca I'm not tech support 07:15 dcook Woohoo. Install done. 07:15 Francesca also essay 07:15 * Francesca sighs 07:15 Francesca yay! 07:15 dcook Bah.. so many steps.. 07:15 dcook Shouldn't this have autoupgraded.. 07:15 Francesca hahahahaha 07:15 wahanui it has been said that hahahahaha is there someone else we should ask? 07:15 Francesca poke it with a stick 07:15 dcook Oh wait.. git install 07:16 dcook Bah.. 07:17 dcook So what questions were there? 07:17 Francesca wahanui bah is bah humbug 07:17 wahanui OK, Francesca. 07:17 cdickinson you tell me, dcook 07:18 dcook cdickinson, you sound like wahanui now :p 07:18 Francesca lol 07:18 Francesca oh god 07:18 Francesca be cdickinson 07:18 wahanui theres a sub-reddit for that 07:18 Francesca now wahanui sounds like cdickinson 07:18 cdickinson wahanui: be cdickinson is also wahanui 07:18 wahanui okay, cdickinson. 07:19 cdickinson be cdickinson 07:19 wahanui Francesca's BRAAAAAAAIN! 07:19 Francesca wahanui you are also cdickinson 07:19 wahanui okay, Francesca. 07:19 cdickinson <wahanui> Francesca's BRAAAAAAAIN! <--- what the 07:19 Francesca oh my god I just lost it 07:19 Francesca I think it was set to your braaaaaaain 07:19 dcook Muahaha 07:20 dcook I got it working 07:20 Francesca dunno why or how my name got in there though 07:20 Francesca yay! 07:20 Francesca nice and fast now? 07:20 cdickinson someone has ideas, Francesca 07:20 Francesca duh duh duuuuuuuh 07:20 Francesca dcook: well done, have a beer 07:20 cdickinson passing the question baton over to you, Francesca 07:20 dcook Although this doesn't explain why barton was having problem.. 07:20 Francesca @bartender dcook 07:20 cdickinson gotta step out for a while 07:20 * huginn fills a pint glass with Maredsous 8, and sends it sliding down the bar to dcook (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/222/2508/) 07:20 cdickinson be back soon 07:20 Francesca bye 07:21 Francesca @wunder elg 07:21 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in El Golea, Algeria is 21.0°C (8:00 AM CET on September 30, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 07:21 Francesca oops 07:21 Francesca @wunder wlg 07:21 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (8:00 PM NZDT on September 30, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady). 07:23 dcook Yikes... something didn't go well in master on my vm.. 07:23 dcook Allowed me to create a record without required fields... yikes 07:24 Francesca argh more work 07:24 dcook Well, it might just be IceWeasel.. 07:25 Francesca IceWeasel?? 07:25 wahanui IceWeasel is probably pretty much firefox without the non-free bits 07:25 Francesca oh 07:25 Francesca thanks wahanui, botsnack cookie 07:25 dcook Actually, I guess I'm using Chromium 07:25 Francesca ah 07:32 dcook Ok, I think mystery solved 07:32 dcook I think barton was editing the wrong file.. 07:33 * dcook goes home after leaving a million bugzilla comments 07:33 dcook @later tell barton I think you may have been editing the wrong ccl.properties file. See the bug report for details. 07:33 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded. 07:35 * Francesca waves goodbye to dcook if he hasn't already left 07:39 gaetan_B hello 07:42 cait hi all :) 07:56 Francesca heya 07:57 cdickinson alright, I'm back 08:26 cait cdickinson: what time is it in nz right now? i think it's now 11 hours apart or so from us? 08:26 cdickinson cait: it's 9:25pm 08:26 cdickinson daylight savings just changed on Sunday morning 08:26 cait ah yeah 08:26 cait it's 10:25 am here 08:27 cdickinson your day is just starting 08:27 cdickinson enjoy 08:27 cait true, but time is still going by to fast already :) 08:28 cdickinson not enough time to do the work you have? 08:28 cdickinson that's how it feels for me 08:49 Francesca night all 08:49 wahanui goodnight Francesca. You'll be back. 09:34 cait so quiet... 09:45 magnuse cait: hush... 10:43 darrensampson im trying to import a csv of my catalog taken from another system and cannot find how to import this in to Koha? 11:12 magnuse @later tell darrensampson you can't import bibliographic records as svc into koha, you have to transform them into MARC records first 11:12 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded. 11:39 misilot . 11:58 Malumfashee is there anyone online to help? 12:25 jajm jcamins around ? 12:26 jcamins Not for Koha-related things. 12:26 jcamins Why? 12:26 jajm i have a koha-related question :) 12:27 jajm i just want to know if you plan to work on bug 7419 12:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Failed QA , Add authority deduplication script 12:28 jcamins Probably not. 12:30 jajm jcamins, i never managed to get your script working, could you try to answer my last comment, when you have time ? 12:31 jcamins Any is not configured in UNIMARC, it looks like. 12:35 jajm it would be strange... but i will check that 12:35 jajm thanks 15:19 nitz0 @tea 15:19 huginn nitz0: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 15:20 nitz0 @sortinghat 15:20 huginn Hmm... nitz0... Let me see now... GRYFFINDOR! 15:44 reiveune bye 15:56 cait @sortinghat 15:56 huginn Hmm... cait... Let me see now... SLYTHERIN! 15:56 cait ugh 16:00 cait @sortinghat 16:00 huginn Hmm... cait... Let me see now... GRYFFINDOR! 16:09 nitz0 haha 16:10 druthb @sortinghat 16:10 huginn Hmm... druthb... Let me see now... RAVENCLAW! 16:10 druthb :/ 16:11 * druthb files a Bugzilla against the Hat, as she's clearly a Hufflepuff. 16:12 cait huh 16:12 cait why is the only reference to OPACFineNoRenewals i can find in the database in the updatedatabase and release notes? :( 16:13 cait oh, whitespace 16:13 wahanui whitespace is http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2011/12/15/fixing-whitespace-when-apply-patches-with-git/ 16:13 * cait nods 16:13 cait the hat is clearly malfunctioning 16:14 druthb It figured it out on second try for you, tho 16:14 cait hm not sure 16:29 drojf evening 16:29 drojf eythian++ 16:30 cait hi drojf 16:30 cait slept in? 16:30 cait :) 16:30 drojf cait: heh. i wish. slept little, got a flu 16:31 cait ew 16:31 drojf i hope i can instantly kill it 16:31 drojf no time for that 16:32 cait i am glad you are far far away from me right now :) 16:33 drojf did you see the rvk-visual thing on inetbib? 16:33 cait nope? 16:33 wahanui somebody said nope was http://i.imgur.com/flFgB.gif 16:34 cait i am waiding through rda docs... 16:34 cait wading even 16:34 drojf oh that sounds like fun 16:34 cait hmpf 16:34 drojf can you explain it to me when you are done? :) 16:34 cait not sure 16:34 cait but it starts here... 16:34 cait they are swtiching the union catalog during the weekend 16:34 cait so coming monday the libraries are allowed to catalog in RDA 16:35 cait and then beginning next year it's going to be mandatory 16:35 drojf oh, already? waah 16:35 cait waah. 16:35 drojf can't we pretend it is not there until it goes away? :) 16:35 cait i don't think so 16:36 drojf :( 16:36 drojf not fair 16:36 cait there are some rda sample records on our website -but they have some bugs. i can let you know when they get updated 16:36 drojf great! 16:36 cait they already fixed some things - so waiting for a newer version :) 16:37 cait @marc 264 16:37 huginn cait: unknown tag 264 16:37 drojf heh 16:37 drojf good bot 16:41 * cait tries to see how the publisher ifnormation gets into the cart 16:47 cait looking at this... it shouldn't even work now 16:49 magnuse rda-- 16:50 magnuse lipstick on a very old and sick pig... 17:02 cait it will give us big big problems 17:02 cait mostly the 260/264 is pretty horrible 17:02 jcamins cait: MARC causing problems? 17:02 cait sssh don't tell anyone 17:02 cait bug 10306 17:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10306 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Publication information can only be mapped to either 260 or 264 (RDA) 17:04 cait i currently have no ide how to fix this 17:04 cait any constructive ideas welcome 17:04 pianohacker ohhh this is where the major practice of always getting mappings from the default framework bites us in the butt :/ 17:05 cait yep 17:05 cait we already have a big unimarc/marc21 issue with copyrightdate and publicationyear 17:05 jcamins cait: does "eradicate MARC like enemies of the dalek" count as a constructive idea? 17:05 cait but this makes it entirely worse 17:05 cait jcamins: nope. 17:06 cait pianohacker: seriously... i need to find a way to fix this 17:06 cait or 'we' do 17:06 pianohacker ... I think the only thing you can really do is have a separate framework and make everything that looks for mappings pass the framework code, cait 17:06 cait ... so good ideas are very welcome 17:06 * jcamins rocks back and forth, dalek-like and says "EX-TER-MIN-ATE EX-TER-MIN-ATE." 17:06 cait it will at least affect all export formats that are not marc and all displays we built without looking at the marc record... so practically everywhere but result list and detail page :( 17:07 pianohacker cait: yup :/ 17:07 cait i am not sure if extending the koha-to-marc-mappings is the way to go 17:07 pianohacker wahanui: marc is <action>rocks back and forth, dalek-like and says "EX-TER-MIN-ATE EX-TER-MIN-ATE." 17:07 wahanui ...but marc is the standard that isn't|<reply>http://marc-must-die.info|<reply>The MARC specs live at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ - abandon hope all ye who enter here.|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi-ZIOmB6EM... 17:07 pianohacker wahanui: marc is also <action>rocks back and forth, dalek-like and says "EX-TER-MIN-ATE EX-TER-MIN-ATE." 17:07 wahanui okay, pianohacker. 17:07 cait but on the other hand... it could allow for non marc stuff mappings too in the future? :) 17:07 jcamins marc? 17:07 wahanui marc is the standard that isn't 17:08 jcamins marc? 17:08 wahanui marc is probably the standard that isn't 17:08 jcamins marc? 17:08 wahanui marc is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi-ZIOmB6EM 17:08 jcamins marc? 17:08 * wahanui rocks back and forth, dalek-like and says "EX-TER-MIN-ATE EX-TER-MIN-ATE." 17:08 cait marc? 17:08 wahanui The MARC specs live at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ - abandon hope all ye who enter here. 17:08 jcamins Nice! 17:08 jcamins I didn't know you could do that. 17:08 cait pianohacker: but ... that's huge 17:08 cait pianohacker: we might need a quicker fix to just have things at least working somewhoe? 17:08 cait or maybe it would be the fastest solution... just no idea how to do it 17:09 pianohacker cait: :/ we already handle a lot of this stuff with piecemeal hardcoded hacks 17:09 pianohacker like how we fetch eans/upcs/isbns 17:09 cait we do a bit of stuff for publicationyear/copyrightyear - but haven't found much else 17:10 pianohacker cait: plus there's, you know, C4/AuthoritiesMarc.pm 17:10 cait maybe something for the dev meeting 17:10 pianohacker which is a different bucket of crazy 17:10 cait heh 17:10 pianohacker yeah, I'd say so 17:10 cait but that's not affected here i think 17:10 cait not even part of the mappings 17:10 pianohacker no, thank god 17:10 pianohacker there are no mappings... it's alllllll hardcoded 17:10 cait well..y eah 17:10 cait but at least in a central place ;) 17:11 pianohacker *shiver* I guess :) 17:11 cait i will try to send an email today or tomorrow about the bug... maybe someone has a good idea how to solve it 17:12 pianohacker cait: as someone not as familiar with the cataloging side of this, can you do something as simple as checking for RDA info first then falling back to MARC21? 17:12 cait heh 17:12 cait marc21 is the format 17:12 cait rda is the cataloguing rules 17:13 pianohacker that falls under the category of "piecemeal hack," not "proper boil-the-ocean solution," but... 17:13 cait replacing rak for us and i think aacr2 for you 17:13 cait it's both still in marc... until bibframe 17:13 pianohacker cait: wasn't quite sure whether to say aacr2 or marc21 (or usmarc) 17:13 pianohacker they all get a bit jumbled on occasion :) 17:13 cait i know that our union catalog puts rda in 040$e - but i am nto sure if that is a general thing 17:14 cait but you can fall back i think, like look for 264 first (which would only appear in an rda record) and then fall back to 260 17:14 pianohacker okay, yeah 17:14 cait the problem is 17:14 cait hm 17:14 cait everytime we look up data in the database fields like here 17:15 cait GetBiblioData 17:15 cait http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=C4/Biblio.pm;hb=3007208c70274a2bab326bc3ccf31bced32dab2b#l774 17:16 cait ... so koha-to-marc-mappings... hm. 17:16 cait i am not sure where in the code it happens yet, somewhere during import? 17:19 cait TransformMarcToKoha 18:43 charles_ Is there documentation on how to mock database transaction in unit tests with the new schema->resultset ? 20:22 * Francesca waves 21:33 eythian hi 21:33 wahanui privet, eythian 22:22 Francesca @wunder wlg 22:22 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on October 01, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 22:36 cait @wunder Konstanz 22:36 huginn cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 9.7°C (12:36 AM CEST on October 01, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). 22:36 Francesca wow its actually colder where you are 22:38 eythian it is also after midnight there :) 22:38 wahanui okay, eythian. 22:38 eythian hush wahanui