IRC log for #koha, 2015-07-20

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02:20 mtj hey #koha, does work for anyone?
02:20 mtj ie: can anyone get to #koha from there? ^
02:25 eythian mtj: it seems to fail to connect to the network, to me.
02:25 eythian it doesn't even look like it tries, really
02:28 mtj ta eythian, me too
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02:38 Francesca hey
02:42 rangi hey Francesca
02:42 wahanui I love the 11th doctor!
02:43 Francesca what sup rangi
02:45 rangi not too much, just ticking away at work
02:45 rangi how's the first day of uni?
02:47 Francesca I was back last week
02:47 Francesca but to answer your question good but extremely busy
02:48 Francesca I
02:48 Francesca oops hit enter too soon
02:49 Francesca I'm normally free on friday afternoons now so if its ok with you could I come in then just to get some stuff done and get some help if needed
02:50 rangi yeah fridays are pretty much always fine
02:50 Francesca sweet
02:50 Francesca I probably won't come this week as I have extra choir rehearsals
02:51 rangi no worries
02:51 Francesca I will be getting on to the skin soon
02:52 Francesca just gotta get everything running on mac first
02:52 Francesca I'm doing it the hard way apparently
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03:02 AmitG hi all
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03:25 Francesca sup AmitG
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04:00 AmitG hi Francesca
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04:26 eythian[…]odules-tribe.html <-- what I think we should use to join Koha systems together, or add other data sources to Koha.
04:27 rangi ohh
04:27 rangi cool
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04:28 eythian there are data safety issues, but I'm sure we can work that out.
04:28 rangi *nod*
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06:38 drojf morning #koha
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06:56 gaetan_B hello
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07:16 janPasi hi koha! anyone got an idea why we're getting a bunch of "invalid value" errors for transport cost matrix?
07:17 janPasi also the matrix doesn't get saved at all
07:20 janPasi Use of uninitialized value $value in pattern match (m//) at /home/koha/kohaclone/admin​/ line 85., referer: http://[...]/cgi-bin/koha/adm​in/
07:20 janPasi that's in the error-log
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07:37 cait good morning #koha
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07:38 marcelr hi #koha
07:38 cait hi marcelr
07:38 marcelr :)
07:39 janPasi seems that transport_cost table is empty, how is it supposed to get filled?
07:39 janPasi or how can i create it?
07:39 cait you don't need it until you are using the transport cost matrix to determine which libraires shoudl fill a hold
07:39 cait in a multibranch system
07:39 cait it's an optional feature
07:40 cait there is a system preference and a configuration page for it
07:40 janPasi that's what i'm planning to do, we need that feature
07:40 janPasi what's the system pref called?
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07:40 cait search for transport
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07:42 janPasi "use transport cost matrix" is "use", and we've tried setting them up with, but it just gives us those "invalid value" errors
07:42 janPasi and refuses to save the matrix
07:42 cait what have you tried to enter and which version are you using?
07:44 janPasi this is 3.16.04 and we just tried to set one value (30) in to test the feature
07:44 cait no error shown?
07:45 janPasi There were problems with your submission
07:45 janPasi Invalid value for Aseman kirjasto -> Jäälin kirjasto
07:45 cait hmm could you try with the english templates? just for testing?
07:45 janPasi and the same repeats for every branch-combination
07:46 janPasi cait: iäm currently using english templates
07:46 janPasi *i'm
07:46 cait hm
07:46 cait and you just entered 30?
07:46 janPasi yep
07:46 cait my test database has only a single branch so i can't test
07:47 cait is there a javascript error by chance?
07:47 cait 3.16 is pretty old by now
07:47 janPasi we have 50 branches here
07:48 cait i am teting in 3.20 and ther eit saves without any problems
07:48 cait i wonder if it could be an encoding issue - coudl you try 2 branches with no special characters?
07:49 cait what i do is click in the field, uncheck the disabled checkbox, enter "10" and save
07:49 janPasi that's exactly what we've done here too
07:49 janPasi we have errors like this in koha-err.log:
07:49 janPasi [Mon Jul 20 10:45:20.540847 2015] [cgi:error] [pid 7762] [client] AH01215: [Mon Jul 20 10:45:20 2015] Use of uninitialized value $value in pattern match (m//) at /home/koha/kohaclone/admin​/ line 85.
07:50 cait hm can't check that here right now
07:50 cait could you try one of the public demos maybe?
07:50 janPasi got an address at hand?
07:51 cait demo?
07:51 wahanui rumour has it demo is at or[…]ha_Demo_Databases
07:51 janPasi ok, thanks :D
07:53 janPasi no-errors there and the value gets saved
07:53 cait hm so it could be 2 thing i guess... something about the data or the version
07:55 janPasi i think is pretty old, it has (c)2000-2002 katipo communications and 2010 biblibre, so not likely a version issue
07:56 janPasi unless ofcourse it's been fixed after 3.16 :D
07:57 janPasi it could be a problem with ä/ö actually
07:57 drojf if something has been fixed, it should be on the bugtracker
07:57 janPasi it seems to complain about transport pairs with one of those letters in the branch name
07:57 drojf what letters?
07:58 drojf (08:57:12) janPasi: it could be a problem with ?/? actually
07:59 drojf (maybe that is a problem on my side?)
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08:01 cait hm i think the copyright is wrong there
08:01 cait the feature is not nearly that old
08:02 cait probably bad copy and paste
08:02 cait it's from 3.10 tho
08:03 cait[…]rix-in-koha-3-10/
08:03 cait drojf: i only see question marks too :)
08:04 janPasi it was a problem with Ä
08:04 janPasi one our branch-codes has Ä in it and that seems to make the saving fail
08:04 cait it would be good to see if that is also a problem in later versions - maybe change a branchname on the demo for a test?
08:04 cait eek
08:04 cait yeah, don't use such things in branchcodes
08:04 cait branchnames can be anything, but any codes in koha should only be a-z0-9
08:04 janPasi it wasn't me! :D
08:04 janPasi i swear
08:04 cait and no spaces or underscores
08:05 cait i believe you - and it's pretty hard to change later on
08:05 cait but *shudder*
08:05 janPasi _ is ok, though
08:06 janPasi you think an underscore will be a problem later on?
08:07 janPasi maybe we should change them
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08:29 cait janPasi: i'd avoid underscores as well because of zebra - it might lead to strange search results
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09:18 drojf oh look, some tumbleweed tumbled through my inbox
09:19 cait wow
09:19 drojf i guess it's unmotivated monday for everyone
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09:49 drojf @later tell rangi the author line of the unsung heroes pdf says "chris cormack, chris"
09:49 huginn` drojf: The operation succeeded.
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10:03 gaetan_B bye!
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11:20 drojf @later tell wizzyrea any idea what options there are to translate (parts of) the website? i think it would be appropriate to have multilingual information available, but could not possibly translate all of it. would it be possible to use a fallback option for things that are not translated? does not seem to exist any longer, so i can't check what they did
11:20 huginn` drojf: The operation succeeded.
11:36 drojf @later tell wizzyrea this looks like it does what i am thinking about do you think it would be an option for the koha website?
11:36 huginn` drojf: The operation succeeded.
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12:43 tcohen morning!
12:44 tcohen hi cait
12:44 tcohen hi drojf
12:44 cait hi tcohen :)
12:44 marcelr hi tcohen
12:44 drojf hi tcohen
12:45 drojf hi marcelr
12:45 tcohen i'm back from my holiday in buenos aires
12:45 marcelr hi drojf
12:45 tcohen hi marcelr
12:48 tcohen drojf: about the video's license
12:49 jajm is there a way in Koha to store simple variables like systempreferences, but not editable by users (only by code) ?
12:49 drojf tcohen: thanks. can we put a version somewhere else too? like, not on youtube
12:49 drojf just as a file download
12:49 tcohen jajm, maybe systempreferences ?
12:50 tcohen drojf: will ask the authors, I think I have a version somewhere, the problem is i lost lots of things on my stolen laptop
12:50 cait jajm: what's the use case?
12:50 jajm tcohen, system prefrences are meant to be editable by user, right ?
12:50 drojf tcohen: oh yes forgot about that :((
12:50 tcohen no worries
12:51 tcohen jajm: yes, I think cait's question is the best way to go
12:51 tcohen I was thinking systempreferences are only available for editing iif they are explicitly listed in the yaml file
12:51 jajm cait, to display a question with a button "remind me later"
12:51 cait tcohen: on local use tab they are all :)
12:52 tcohen oh
12:52 cait jajm: oh, sorry, in which context?
12:52 drojf i wish i had that button as an option for everything
12:54 tcohen drojf: i've just found a 720p version (not the 1080p original file, but might work)
12:54 tcohen it is 364MB
12:54 jajm cait, we want to display a message at intranet front page saying "Hea is disabled. Do you want to enable it ?" "Yes" "No (dont show again)" "Remind me later"
12:55 cait hm
12:55 cait it sounds a bit aggressive
12:55 cait to have that by default
12:57 tcohen jajm: I'd use a local syspref, as cait said
12:57 tcohen well, she didn't, but is monday, we are allowed to make no sense
12:58 drojf tcohen: great! maybe we can put it on the website, don't know if that would be a traffic problem though. i already @latered wizzyrea with something else so i'll postpone that ;) but its good the file is still available
12:59 tcohen drojf: just let me know what you need from me
12:59 tcohen i was waiting for liz's remake of the film (shorter version)
12:59 drojf maybe we could do a smaller webm to stream file at least
12:59 drojf oh there is a remake?
12:59 drojf or, will be
13:00 jajm cait, we can make something discreet :) and also we're afraid that nobody will be using this feature if not suggested
13:00 tcohen she wanted to make one, removing the kohacon part
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13:01 drojf ok, then we should wait for that
13:02 tcohen i think we should both ask her about it
13:03 drojf peer pressure, good idea ;)
13:03 tcohen yeha
13:03 cait jajm: yeah, but i think it sounds like suggesting it a lot :) and i think a pref then - why would you not let them change it?
13:04 cait jajm: because i'd like to turn that off for our customers after updating
13:04 cait so a prf would be handy
13:04 cait to avoid 20 libraries getting scared ;)
13:06 jajm cait, there's already a system preference for that, my first question was about storing the last time we showed the message (in case of "Remind me later" click)
13:07 jajm not something we want to be editable
13:08 cait I am not totally sold on the idea of such pop-ups to be honest
13:09 cait but i'd not worry so much about people editing it - the whatdidyoumean is also stored as a pref (see local use)
13:12 jajm cait, it can be a simple line under the "XXX pending approval", not very intrusive I think, but still visible
13:15 drojf it sounds a bit like an anti-feature to me
13:15 cait i know it's meant well... but such things can be pretty annoying to some people
13:17 drojf people like me :)
13:21 jajm I understand... so... any other idea to encourage using this feature ? :)
13:23 cait hm, blog post, newsletter, about page?
13:23 drojf what advantages does a library have from hea?
13:24 cait i guess one of the problems for us would be privacy - because the biblibre server can store all the ip addresses of the koha servers
13:25 drojf like google, where they all want to be listed ;)
13:25 cait yeah i know
13:25 cait i know...
13:26 jajm cait, how could we fix that ?
13:26 cait not sure - i haven't had time yet to look into this
13:26 cait would have to talk to our expert what is ok and needed
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13:26 cait sorry, need to fix something now - have only 25 mins left before i have to run to my bus )
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13:27 drojf jajm: i think there should be more information about -what kind of information is provided -provided to whom -what is the background.
13:28 drojf so that libraries can have a reason to actively opt in
13:29 drojf also, can i (or anyone, or the libraries) access the data and play with it?
13:29 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12352: Patron modification request page: Add link to patron record <[…]ec2c1867bfd633016> / Bug 14524: Don't escape query_cgi with uri <[…]07e8d3be310dd358b> / Bug 14494: Add some unit tests too for CalcDateDue <
13:29 jajm drojf, you can access the data here
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13:32 drojf jajm: i mean raw data. i don't really know what all is collected, but if you want libraries to take part, you should consider making it open data officially. and maybe find use cases beyond displaying it on the website
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13:33 drojf i mean, as a library, i would wonder what goals are there behind hea. display some graphs on a website? not very convincing
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13:35 drojf btw i think that "On this way they will concentrate on features used by most people." from the rfc is problematic. maybe some features are used less, because they would need more attention, not less?
13:35 drojf (also i do not see how you can get an idea of that from the data on the website)
13:36 jajm the website certainly needs some work
13:37 drojf i think my first question would be, what data is actually collected from my library. i do not see that documented anywhere
13:38 drojf well, it will be in the source code probably :) but that is not where the library will go to find that out
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13:50 drojf german word of the day:Zeitschriftenabonnementstatistik
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14:00 huginn` tcohen: Joubu was last seen in #koha 3 days, 20 hours, and 56 seconds ago: <Joubu> I will be off for the next 2 weeks, see you!
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14:11 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12137: DBRev <[…]de521c4bb38b501ea> / Bug 12137: Use Koha.Preference to access pref value <[…]575662f401dce438c> / Bug 12137: followup sort index by value <[…]51adc64a298b9970e
14:13 tcohen morning talljoy khall_away
14:13 talljoy morning!
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14:22 geek_cl Hi #koha !
14:22 geek_cl any idea how to measure the Koha enviroment '
14:22 geek_cl ?
14:26 tcohen du --si -s koha_env/
14:26 tcohen :-P
14:27 tcohen that's a measure
14:27 geek_cl yes, but focus on the answer of the entire koha env system, i mean answer by apache, the responses from mysql
14:27 tcohen what do you want to measure?
14:28 geek_cl not like, top, du, free and etc
14:28 tcohen the question itself is vague
14:28 geek_cl apache+mysql basically
14:28 tcohen performance?
14:28 wahanui well, performance is a non-issue with it these days, computer are plain good at encryption ;)
14:28 geek_cl one minute, i will try to explaint the context
14:29 geek_cl (with my bad english ) :D
14:29 tcohen geek_cl: i used nytprof to measure the time it takes a page and find bottlenecks
14:29 tcohen you can do it in spanish, of course
14:29 geek_cl[…]th_Devel::NYTProf
14:31 geek_cl ok, we get the database to a remote server,now we need to measure the new behavior to have done with this division.
14:33 tcohen you want to measure the added latency
14:34 tcohen introduced by moving to a remote DB server
14:34 tcohen just pick a page, nytprof it, with local vs. remote db server
14:34 tcohen the page should be meaningful I guess
14:35 tcohen a page that makes lots of db queries
14:35 tcohen (any of Koha's page heh)
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14:36 tcohen khall_away: I'm sorry
14:36 * tcohen just failed 13022
14:37 geek_cl Ok tomas, i will consider that
14:41 tcohen geek_cl: i'm glad to help
14:41 geek_cl as always ;)
14:41 geek_cl thanks ! ;)
14:55 fridolin sseeeee u
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15:01 reiveune bye
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16:56 bag cait: HI
16:56 bag tcohen: HI THERE
16:56 wahanui que tal, bag
16:56 cait hi bag
16:58 tcohen qqqhi bag
17:10 AmitG heya cait, bag
17:20 * cait waves
17:23 drojf cait: i hope you enjoy my translation email :P
17:25 drojf later #koha
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18:01 tcohen matts_away: around?
18:01 tcohen @later tell matts i need your feedback regarding your discharge patch
18:01 huginn` tcohen: The operation succeeded.
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18:07 cait tcohen: wrong time, 8 pm here :)
18:07 tcohen ah, i'm still catching up with being back to the office it seems
18:07 cait :)
18:08 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
18:08 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 23.0°C (7:50 PM CEST on July 20, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
18:13 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
18:13 huginn` tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 15.6°C (3:10 PM ART on July 20, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 26%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Falling).
18:13 bag @wunder pdx
18:13 huginn` bag: The current temperature in Vancouver Heights, Vancouver, Washington is 24.3°C (11:13 AM PDT on July 20, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
18:18 drojf could someone cook my potato soup? that would be awesome
18:19 drojf oh come on. are we a community or not?
18:21 drojf not sure if i should put "make potato soup for drojf" on the bugtracker or the meeting agenda
18:21 pianohacker drojf: sorry, I don't think you'd like if I redistributed your soup with modification
18:22 drojf oh sure. it's free and open source soupware!
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18:22 drojf pianohacker: as long as your enhancements go back into the community…
18:33 drojf in the light of recent events (there has been a discussion in germany whether girls are allowed to wear hot pants in school), i was wondering about our code of conduct. what exactly is "sexualized clothing/uniforms/costumes" and who is judging that?
18:34 drojf and how am i supposed to judge it if i host a hackfest
18:59 pianohacker drojf: wait, that's on the code of conduct?
19:00 drojf pianohacker:[…]/code-of-conduct/
19:01 drojf first paragraph of the second version
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19:38 bag drojf: each of us is a judge.  it is for us to judge on what we are comfortable with?  If we aren’t comfortable with something then we look to conference organizers for a place to find help?
19:39 * bag ok stepping out for a little bit
20:02 rangi morning
20:04 rangi drojf: its specifically referring to
20:04 drojf bag: yes, of course. and i'm sure they will be happy to help. i will be. but i wonder what i am supposed to answer when i announce an event and refer to the code of conduct and get asked that question. i am not sure what sexualized clothing is. sexualized by the person wearing it, or the person seeing it? and so on. given that is in the section for sponsors and booth staff, that may have a background that i am not aware of
20:04 rangi Booth staff (including volunteers) should not use sexualized clothing/uniforms/costumes, or otherwise create a sexualized environment.
20:04 rangi Booth staff
20:05 rangi  <-- it's to deal with this
20:06 rangi which shouldnt arise at any of our conferences, but if it does, at least we have a clause to deal with it
20:06 rangi so it's not what people decide to wear to attend the conference, it's what companies/organisations dress people in to sell services
20:06 rangi does that help?
20:06 drojf ok, i understand the background now, thanks. and no, i can hardly imagine that applying to any koha event, thankfully
20:06 rangi cool
20:07 drojf yes, a lot. thanks
20:08 rangi it suprisingly happens at some of the bigger library confernces
20:08 drojf i don't think it is a thing in germany. at least i hope so
20:08 rangi but no where to the extent it does at same, gaming or automobile, or gun ones
20:08 drojf oh yes i can imagine that
20:08 drojf i attend such things rarely ;)
20:09 rangi good choice :)
20:09 drojf heh
20:12 ibeardslee also part of the reason I stopped going to kickboxing fight nights .. ring girls rather than booth babes
20:15 rangi true
20:15 rangi drojf: did you get any replies to your kohacon email?
20:15 * drojf hides the plans for the "koha hackfest and gun nuts meeting"
20:15 drojf rangi: not yet
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20:22 rangi hey nengard
20:22 wahanui nengard is the queen of documentation.
20:22 nengard hi there
20:22 nengard from oscon
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21:21 drojf good night #koha
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21:49 wizzyrea hi
21:50 wizzyrea drojf I don't know, I'll have to look into it
22:09 cait wizzyrea: can you take a look at bug 14524 for 3.18 maybe? Tomas pushed it just today, but it would be nice to see it fixed
22:09 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14524 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Result list RSS feed broken
22:10 wizzyrea let me get caught up with bug updates and then I will have a look
22:10 cait sure thx :)
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22:13 indradg wizzyrea++
22:17 eythian hi
22:17 wahanui hello, eythian
22:17 indradg hi eythian
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22:24 cait wizzyrea++
22:37 * Francesca waves
22:37 wizzyrea Hi Francesca :)
22:38 Francesca morning
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