Time Nick Message 22:38 Francesca whatsup 22:38 Francesca morning 22:37 wizzyrea Hi Francesca :) 22:37 * Francesca waves 22:24 cait wizzyrea++ 22:17 indradg hi eythian 22:17 wahanui hello, eythian 22:17 eythian hi 22:13 indradg wizzyrea++ 22:10 cait sure thx :) 22:10 wizzyrea let me get caught up with bug updates and then I will have a look 22:09 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14524 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Result list RSS feed broken 22:09 cait wizzyrea: can you take a look at bug 14524 for 3.18 maybe? Tomas pushed it just today, but it would be nice to see it fixed 21:50 wizzyrea drojf I don't know, I'll have to look into it 21:49 wizzyrea hi 21:21 drojf good night #koha 20:22 nengard from oscon 20:22 nengard hi there 20:22 wahanui nengard is the queen of documentation. 20:22 rangi hey nengard 20:15 drojf rangi: not yet 20:15 * drojf hides the plans for the "koha hackfest and gun nuts meeting" 20:15 rangi drojf: did you get any replies to your kohacon email? 20:15 rangi true 20:12 ibeardslee also part of the reason I stopped going to kickboxing fight nights .. ring girls rather than booth babes 20:09 drojf heh 20:09 rangi good choice :) 20:08 drojf i attend such things rarely ;) 20:08 drojf oh yes i can imagine that 20:08 rangi but no where to the extent it does at same, gaming or automobile, or gun ones 20:08 drojf i don't think it is a thing in germany. at least i hope so 20:08 rangi it suprisingly happens at some of the bigger library confernces 20:07 drojf yes, a lot. thanks 20:06 rangi cool 20:06 drojf ok, i understand the background now, thanks. and no, i can hardly imagine that applying to any koha event, thankfully 20:06 rangi does that help? 20:06 rangi so it's not what people decide to wear to attend the conference, it's what companies/organisations dress people in to sell services 20:06 rangi which shouldnt arise at any of our conferences, but if it does, at least we have a clause to deal with it 20:05 rangi http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Booth_babes <-- it's to deal with this 20:04 rangi Booth staff 20:04 rangi Booth staff (including volunteers) should not use sexualized clothing/uniforms/costumes, or otherwise create a sexualized environment. 20:04 drojf bag: yes, of course. and i'm sure they will be happy to help. i will be. but i wonder what i am supposed to answer when i announce an event and refer to the code of conduct and get asked that question. i am not sure what sexualized clothing is. sexualized by the person wearing it, or the person seeing it? and so on. given that is in the section for sponsors and booth staff, that may have a background that i am not aware of 20:04 rangi drojf: its specifically referring to 20:02 rangi morning 19:39 * bag ok stepping out for a little bit 19:38 bag drojf: each of us is a judge. it is for us to judge on what we are comfortable with? If we aren’t comfortable with something then we look to conference organizers for a place to find help? 19:01 drojf first paragraph of the second version 19:00 drojf pianohacker: http://koha-community.org/about/policy/code-of-conduct/ 18:59 pianohacker drojf: wait, that's on the code of conduct? 18:34 drojf and how am i supposed to judge it if i host a hackfest 18:33 drojf in the light of recent events (there has been a discussion in germany whether girls are allowed to wear hot pants in school), i was wondering about our code of conduct. what exactly is "sexualized clothing/uniforms/costumes" and who is judging that? 18:22 drojf pianohacker: as long as your enhancements go back into the community… 18:22 drojf oh sure. it's free and open source soupware! 18:21 pianohacker drojf: sorry, I don't think you'd like if I redistributed your soup with modification 18:21 drojf not sure if i should put "make potato soup for drojf" on the bugtracker or the meeting agenda 18:19 drojf oh come on. are we a community or not? 18:18 drojf could someone cook my potato soup? that would be awesome 18:13 huginn` bag: The current temperature in Vancouver Heights, Vancouver, Washington is 24.3°C (11:13 AM PDT on July 20, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 18:13 bag @wunder pdx 18:13 huginn` tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 15.6°C (3:10 PM ART on July 20, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 26%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Falling). 18:13 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 18:08 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 23.0°C (7:50 PM CEST on July 20, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 18:08 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 18:07 cait :) 18:07 tcohen ah, i'm still catching up with being back to the office it seems 18:07 cait tcohen: wrong time, 8 pm here :) 18:01 huginn` tcohen: The operation succeeded. 18:01 tcohen @later tell matts i need your feedback regarding your discharge patch 18:01 tcohen matts_away: around? 17:25 drojf later #koha 17:23 drojf cait: i hope you enjoy my translation email :P 17:20 * cait waves 17:10 AmitG heya cait, bag 16:58 tcohen qqqhi bag 16:56 cait hi bag 16:56 wahanui que tal, bag 16:56 bag tcohen: HI THERE 16:56 bag cait: HI 15:01 reiveune bye 15:01 reiveune mibye 14:55 fridolin sseeeee u 14:41 geek_cl thanks ! ;) 14:41 geek_cl as always ;) 14:41 tcohen geek_cl: i'm glad to help 14:37 geek_cl Ok tomas, i will consider that 14:36 * tcohen just failed 13022 14:36 tcohen khall_away: I'm sorry 14:35 tcohen (any of Koha's page heh) 14:35 tcohen a page that makes lots of db queries 14:34 tcohen the page should be meaningful I guess 14:34 tcohen just pick a page, nytprof it, with local vs. remote db server 14:34 tcohen introduced by moving to a remote DB server 14:33 tcohen you want to measure the added latency 14:31 geek_cl ok, we get the database to a remote server,now we need to measure the new behavior to have done with this division. 14:29 geek_cl http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Profiling_with_Devel::NYTProf 14:29 tcohen you can do it in spanish, of course 14:29 tcohen geek_cl: i used nytprof to measure the time it takes a page and find bottlenecks 14:29 geek_cl (with my bad english ) :D 14:28 geek_cl one minute, i will try to explaint the context 14:28 wahanui well, performance is a non-issue with it these days, computer are plain good at encryption ;) 14:28 tcohen performance? 14:28 geek_cl apache+mysql basically 14:28 tcohen the question itself is vague 14:28 geek_cl not like, top, du, free and etc 14:27 tcohen what do you want to measure? 14:27 geek_cl yes, but focus on the answer of the entire koha env system, i mean answer by apache, the responses from mysql 14:27 tcohen that's a measure 14:26 tcohen :-P 14:26 tcohen du --si -s koha_env/ 14:22 geek_cl ? 14:22 geek_cl any idea how to measure the Koha enviroment ' 14:22 geek_cl Hi #koha ! 14:13 talljoy morning! 14:13 tcohen morning talljoy khall_away 14:11 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12137: DBRev 3.21.00.015 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ee6dced5617acb6132299f8de521c4bb38b501ea> / Bug 12137: Use Koha.Preference to access pref value <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f8abcf3e8e44d04fde81083575662f401dce438c> / Bug 12137: followup sort index by value <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=984f051adc64a298b9970e 14:00 huginn` tcohen: Joubu was last seen in #koha 3 days, 20 hours, and 56 seconds ago: <Joubu> I will be off for the next 2 weeks, see you! 14:00 tcohen @seen Joubu 13:50 drojf german word of the day:Zeitschriftenabonnementstatistik 13:38 drojf well, it will be in the source code probably :) but that is not where the library will go to find that out 13:37 drojf i think my first question would be, what data is actually collected from my library. i do not see that documented anywhere 13:36 jajm the website certainly needs some work 13:35 drojf (also i do not see how you can get an idea of that from the data on the website) 13:35 drojf btw i think that "On this way they will concentrate on features used by most people." from the rfc is problematic. maybe some features are used less, because they would need more attention, not less? 13:33 drojf i mean, as a library, i would wonder what goals are there behind hea. display some graphs on a website? not very convincing 13:32 drojf jajm: i mean raw data. i don't really know what all is collected, but if you want libraries to take part, you should consider making it open data officially. and maybe find use cases beyond displaying it on the website 13:29 jajm drojf, you can access the data here http://hea.koha-community.org/ 13:29 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12352: Patron modification request page: Add link to patron record <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d49cba287e46b4c1e6656f9ec2c1867bfd633016> / Bug 14524: Don't escape query_cgi with uri <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ff280e01f4927d3860ec3d607e8d3be310dd358b> / Bug 14494: Add some unit tests too for CalcDateDue <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=ko 13:29 drojf also, can i (or anyone, or the libraries) access the data and play with it? 13:28 drojf so that libraries can have a reason to actively opt in 13:27 drojf jajm: i think there should be more information about -what kind of information is provided -provided to whom -what is the background. 13:26 cait sorry, need to fix something now - have only 25 mins left before i have to run to my bus ) 13:26 cait would have to talk to our expert what is ok and needed 13:26 cait not sure - i haven't had time yet to look into this 13:26 jajm cait, how could we fix that ? 13:25 cait i know... 13:25 cait yeah i know 13:25 drojf like google, where they all want to be listed ;) 13:24 cait i guess one of the problems for us would be privacy - because the biblibre server can store all the ip addresses of the koha servers 13:23 drojf what advantages does a library have from hea? 13:23 cait hm, blog post, newsletter, about page? 13:21 jajm I understand... so... any other idea to encourage using this feature ? :) 13:17 drojf people like me :) 13:15 cait i know it's meant well... but such things can be pretty annoying to some people 13:15 drojf it sounds a bit like an anti-feature to me 13:12 jajm cait, it can be a simple line under the "XXX pending approval", not very intrusive I think, but still visible 13:09 cait but i'd not worry so much about people editing it - the whatdidyoumean is also stored as a pref (see local use) 13:08 cait I am not totally sold on the idea of such pop-ups to be honest 13:07 jajm not something we want to be editable 13:06 jajm cait, there's already a system preference for that, my first question was about storing the last time we showed the message (in case of "Remind me later" click) 13:04 cait to avoid 20 libraries getting scared ;) 13:04 cait so a prf would be handy 13:04 cait jajm: because i'd like to turn that off for our customers after updating 13:03 cait jajm: yeah, but i think it sounds like suggesting it a lot :) and i think a pref then - why would you not let them change it? 13:03 tcohen yeha 13:03 drojf peer pressure, good idea ;) 13:02 tcohen i think we should both ask her about it 13:01 drojf ok, then we should wait for that 13:00 tcohen she wanted to make one, removing the kohacon part 13:00 jajm cait, we can make something discreet :) and also we're afraid that nobody will be using this feature if not suggested 12:59 drojf or, will be 12:59 drojf oh there is a remake? 12:59 drojf maybe we could do a smaller webm to stream file at least 12:59 tcohen i was waiting for liz's remake of the film (shorter version) 12:59 tcohen drojf: just let me know what you need from me 12:58 drojf tcohen: great! maybe we can put it on the website, don't know if that would be a traffic problem though. i already @latered wizzyrea with something else so i'll postpone that ;) but its good the file is still available 12:57 tcohen well, she didn't, but is monday, we are allowed to make no sense 12:57 tcohen jajm: I'd use a local syspref, as cait said 12:55 cait to have that by default 12:55 cait it sounds a bit aggressive 12:55 cait hm 12:54 jajm cait, we want to display a message at intranet front page saying "Hea is disabled. Do you want to enable it ?" "Yes" "No (dont show again)" "Remind me later" 12:54 tcohen it is 364MB 12:54 tcohen drojf: i've just found a 720p version (not the 1080p original file, but might work) 12:52 drojf i wish i had that button as an option for everything 12:52 cait jajm: oh, sorry, in which context? 12:52 tcohen oh 12:51 cait tcohen: on local use tab they are all :) 12:51 jajm cait, to display a question with a button "remind me later" 12:51 tcohen I was thinking systempreferences are only available for editing iif they are explicitly listed in the yaml file 12:51 tcohen jajm: yes, I think cait's question is the best way to go 12:50 tcohen no worries 12:50 drojf tcohen: oh yes forgot about that :(( 12:50 jajm tcohen, system prefrences are meant to be editable by user, right ? 12:50 cait jajm: what's the use case? 12:50 tcohen drojf: will ask the authors, I think I have a version somewhere, the problem is i lost lots of things on my stolen laptop 12:49 tcohen jajm, maybe systempreferences ? 12:49 drojf just as a file download 12:49 drojf tcohen: thanks. can we put a version somewhere else too? like, not on youtube 12:49 jajm is there a way in Koha to store simple variables like systempreferences, but not editable by users (only by code) ? 12:48 tcohen drojf: about the video's license https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2797468 12:45 tcohen hi marcelr 12:45 marcelr hi drojf 12:45 tcohen i'm back from my holiday in buenos aires 12:45 drojf hi marcelr 12:44 drojf hi tcohen 12:44 marcelr hi tcohen 12:44 cait hi tcohen :) 12:44 tcohen hi drojf 12:44 tcohen hi cait 12:43 tcohen morning! 11:36 huginn` drojf: The operation succeeded. 11:36 drojf @later tell wizzyrea this looks like it does what i am thinking about https://wordpress.org/plugins/polylang/ do you think it would be an option for the koha website? 11:20 huginn` drojf: The operation succeeded. 11:20 drojf @later tell wizzyrea any idea what options there are to translate (parts of) the website? i think it would be appropriate to have multilingual information available, but could not possibly translate all of it. would it be possible to use a fallback option for things that are not translated? es.koha-community.org does not seem to exist any longer, so i can't check what they did 10:03 gaetan_B bye! 09:49 huginn` drojf: The operation succeeded. 09:49 drojf @later tell rangi the author line of the unsung heroes pdf says "chris cormack, chris" 09:19 drojf i guess it's unmotivated monday for everyone 09:19 cait wow 09:18 drojf oh look, some tumbleweed tumbled through my inbox 08:29 cait janPasi: i'd avoid underscores as well because of zebra - it might lead to strange search results 08:09 fridolin hie there 08:07 janPasi maybe we should change them 08:06 janPasi you think an underscore will be a problem later on? 08:05 janPasi _ is ok, though 08:05 cait but *shudder* 08:05 cait i believe you - and it's pretty hard to change later on 08:04 cait and no spaces or underscores 08:04 janPasi i swear 08:04 janPasi it wasn't me! :D 08:04 cait branchnames can be anything, but any codes in koha should only be a-z0-9 08:04 cait yeah, don't use such things in branchcodes 08:04 cait eek 08:04 cait it would be good to see if that is also a problem in later versions - maybe change a branchname on the demo for a test? 08:04 janPasi one our branch-codes has Ä in it and that seems to make the saving fail 08:04 janPasi it was a problem with Ä 08:03 cait drojf: i only see question marks too :) 08:03 cait http://bywatersolutions.com/2013/02/13/transport-cost-matrix-in-koha-3-10/ 08:02 cait it's from 3.10 tho 08:02 cait probably bad copy and paste 08:01 cait the feature is not nearly that old 08:01 cait hm i think the copyright is wrong there 07:59 drojf (maybe that is a problem on my side?) 07:58 drojf (08:57:12) janPasi: it could be a problem with ?/? actually 07:57 drojf what letters? 07:57 janPasi it seems to complain about transport pairs with one of those letters in the branch name 07:57 drojf if something has been fixed, it should be on the bugtracker 07:57 janPasi it could be a problem with ä/ö actually 07:56 janPasi unless ofcourse it's been fixed after 3.16 :D 07:55 janPasi i think transport-cost-matrix.pl is pretty old, it has (c)2000-2002 katipo communications and 2010 biblibre, so not likely a version issue 07:53 cait hm so it could be 2 thing i guess... something about the data or the version 07:53 janPasi no-errors there and the value gets saved 07:51 janPasi ok, thanks :D 07:51 wahanui rumour has it demo is at http://koha-community.org/demo/ or http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Demo_Databases 07:51 cait demo? 07:50 janPasi got an address at hand? 07:50 cait could you try one of the public demos maybe? 07:50 cait hm can't check that here right now 07:49 janPasi [Mon Jul 20 10:45:20.540847 2015] [cgi:error] [pid 7762] [client 10.76.90.9:49034] AH01215: [Mon Jul 20 10:45:20 2015] transport-cost-matrix.pl: Use of uninitialized value $value in pattern match (m//) at /home/koha/kohaclone/admin/transport-cost-matrix.pl line 85. 07:49 janPasi we have errors like this in koha-err.log: 07:49 janPasi that's exactly what we've done here too 07:49 cait what i do is click in the field, uncheck the disabled checkbox, enter "10" and save 07:48 cait i wonder if it could be an encoding issue - coudl you try 2 branches with no special characters? 07:48 cait i am teting in 3.20 and ther eit saves without any problems 07:47 janPasi we have 50 branches here 07:47 cait 3.16 is pretty old by now 07:47 cait is there a javascript error by chance? 07:46 cait my test database has only a single branch so i can't test 07:46 janPasi yep 07:46 cait and you just entered 30? 07:46 cait hm 07:46 janPasi *i'm 07:46 janPasi cait: iäm currently using english templates 07:45 janPasi and the same repeats for every branch-combination 07:45 cait hmm could you try with the english templates? just for testing? 07:45 janPasi Invalid value for Aseman kirjasto -> Jäälin kirjasto 07:45 janPasi There were problems with your submission 07:44 cait no error shown? 07:44 janPasi this is 3.16.04 and we just tried to set one value (30) in transport-cost-matrix.pl to test the feature 07:42 cait what have you tried to enter and which version are you using? 07:42 janPasi and refuses to save the matrix 07:42 janPasi "use transport cost matrix" is "use", and we've tried setting them up with transport-cost-matrix.pl, but it just gives us those "invalid value" errors 07:40 cait search for transport 07:40 janPasi what's the system pref called? 07:40 janPasi that's what i'm planning to do, we need that feature 07:40 cait there is a system preference and a configuration page for it 07:39 cait it's an optional feature 07:39 cait in a multibranch system 07:39 cait you don't need it until you are using the transport cost matrix to determine which libraires shoudl fill a hold 07:39 janPasi or how can i create it? 07:39 janPasi seems that transport_cost table is empty, how is it supposed to get filled? 07:38 marcelr :) 07:38 cait hi marcelr 07:38 marcelr hi #koha 07:37 cait good morning #koha 07:20 janPasi that's in the error-log 07:20 janPasi transport-cost-matrix.pl: Use of uninitialized value $value in pattern match (m//) at /home/koha/kohaclone/admin/transport-cost-matrix.pl line 85., referer: http://[...]/cgi-bin/koha/admin/transport-cost-matrix.pl? 07:17 janPasi also the matrix doesn't get saved at all 07:16 janPasi hi koha! anyone got an idea why we're getting a bunch of "invalid value" errors for transport cost matrix? 07:09 jajm hello 06:58 alex_a hello 06:56 wahanui hello, gaetan_B 06:56 gaetan_B hello 06:43 reiveune hello 06:38 drojf morning #koha 04:28 rangi *nod* 04:28 eythian there are data safety issues, but I'm sure we can work that out. 04:27 rangi cool 04:27 rangi ohh 04:26 eythian https://www.elastic.co/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/1.6/modules-tribe.html <-- what I think we should use to join Koha systems together, or add other data sources to Koha. 04:01 * Francesca waves at aleisha 04:00 AmitG hi Francesca 03:25 Francesca sup AmitG 03:02 AmitG hi all 02:52 Francesca I'm doing it the hard way apparently 02:52 Francesca just gotta get everything running on mac first 02:51 Francesca I will be getting on to the skin soon 02:51 rangi no worries 02:50 Francesca I probably won't come this week as I have extra choir rehearsals 02:50 Francesca sweet 02:50 rangi yeah fridays are pretty much always fine 02:49 Francesca I'm normally free on friday afternoons now so if its ok with you could I come in then just to get some stuff done and get some help if needed 02:48 Francesca oops hit enter too soon 02:48 Francesca I 02:47 Francesca but to answer your question good but extremely busy 02:47 Francesca I was back last week 02:45 rangi how's the first day of uni? 02:45 rangi not too much, just ticking away at work 02:43 Francesca what sup rangi 02:42 wahanui I love the 11th doctor! 02:42 rangi hey Francesca 02:38 Francesca hey 02:28 mtj ta eythian, me too 02:25 eythian it doesn't even look like it tries, really 02:25 eythian mtj: it seems to fail to connect to the network, to me. 02:20 mtj ie: can anyone get to #koha from there? ^ 02:20 mtj hey #koha, does http://webchat.oftc.net work for anyone?