IRC log for #koha, 2015-07-13

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02:29 wizzyrea IE. I hate you.
02:29 eythian wah<TAB>....damn
02:30 eythian anyway, wahanui would have told you that dcook is an IE expert, I think.
02:30 rangi should be safe(ish) to bring it back now
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02:30 eythian wahanui: welcome back
02:30 wahanui I was trapped in a maze of twisty, turny passages, all alike.
02:31 wizzyrea I don't want anyone to have to be an IE expert. That makes me sad.
02:33 dcook ^
02:34 dcook It's a dirty job, and I don't want to do it :p
02:35 dcook wizzyrea: Why do you hate it today?
02:35 dcook Well... hate it "more"
02:35 wizzyrea general distaste.
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02:53 dcook Interesting... might have just found a security bug..
02:55 dcook Let's see what mischief I can get up to with this...
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02:58 * Francesca waves
02:58 * dcook waves
02:58 Francesca sup dcook
02:59 dcook Just found a SQL injection bug, I believe :)
02:59 Francesca cool
02:59 Francesca I just got home from uni
03:00 dcook Start of a new term?
03:00 dcook A few weeks ago that is?
03:00 Francesca just started again today
03:02 * dcook is finally figuring out Oceanic academic calendars!
03:02 dcook Actually my wife just started up uni again, so I totally cheated on that one...
03:02 Francesca hahaha nice
03:05 Francesca I really hate winter
03:06 Francesca it got really cold here and only snowed a bit in karori
03:06 dcook Certainly doesn't sound like a fun time :(
03:06 dcook @wunder syd
03:06 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 17.0°C (1:00 PM AEST on July 13, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady).
03:06 dcook I complain about the cold and it's not even that bad here
03:07 Francesca @wunder wel
03:07 huginn` Francesca: The current temperature in BeeGeeR, Welkom, South Africa is 7.2°C (5:04 AM SAST on July 13, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 26.56 in 899.3 hPa (Steady).
03:07 Francesca ok that didn't work....
03:07 Francesca @wunder wlg
03:07 huginn` Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (3:00 PM NZST on July 13, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Steady).
03:08 Francesca yay there we go
03:08 Francesca dcook: warmer where you are then
03:08 Francesca lucky
03:11 dcook :)
03:11 dcook @wunder yvr
03:11 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Burkeville, Richmond, British Columbia is 20.1°C (8:10 PM PDT on July 12, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
03:11 dcook That'd be all right about now..
03:12 dcook @wunder tpa
03:12 huginn` dcook: The current temperature in Pat Acre Estates (CodeChaser), Tampa, Florida is 25.2°C (10:57 PM EDT on July 12, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
03:12 dcook Even better :D
03:12 Francesca lucky them
03:14 Francesca My cats have just come in, found a nice patch of sunny floor and gone to sleep
03:15 Francesca the cold never bothers them
03:15 dcook Mine are little whingers. They lay right in front of the space heater :p
03:16 Francesca hahaha
03:16 Francesca mine complain as well
03:16 Francesca but theres no heater for them lie in front of
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03:17 Francesca instead they find blankets, pillows, boxes or people to sleep in/on
03:18 dcook Winter is the worst :/
03:18 Francesca def.
03:22 dcook Hmm.. looks like you can only have 100 sysprefs per page...
03:22 dcook "Only"
03:22 dcook And the paging doesn't look like it works for local use..
03:22 dcook Ick... html in the perl script..
03:23 * dcook suddenly realizes that he sounds like a total tool
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03:26 AmitG hi all
03:30 rangi hi AmitG
03:45 AmitG hi Chris
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04:40 dcook (Way past) time for chow...
04:40 * dcook wanders off
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06:22 cait morning #koha
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06:28 magnuse @wunder boo
06:28 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 14.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on July 13, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
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06:31 magnuse @wunder marseille
06:31 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille / Marignane, France is 25.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on July 13, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 23%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
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06:37 dcook rangi: Btw, today with git bz, I've tried "git bz attach -e" twice in a row, and the second time always works..
06:37 dcook So dunno what's up with the first time but it does work eventually
06:37 cait i thin he already fixed it
06:38 cait you need to pull the latest version
06:38 dcook Ahh, cool beans
06:38 dcook I'll give that a shot
06:38 * dcook tries to remember where he put it now..
06:38 cait fishsoup branch
06:38 wahanui fishsoup branch is much nicer anyway.
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06:39 dcook That's what I was on already. Looks like I was behind 3 commmits
06:40 dcook Oh, I missed 'er
06:40 magnuse dcook: rangi sent an email to the list
06:40 dcook Ahh, beat that
06:40 dcook Shows me for only checking in the morning!
06:41 magnuse it is morning! ;-)
06:41 dcook :p
06:41 dcook Nearly home time, my good man!
06:42 magnuse yeah, rub it in!
06:42 dcook Lesse I have 18 minutes... what all am I supposed to fix..
06:42 dcook :p
06:42 dcook I've already had a long day!
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06:55 magnuse dcook: sign off something?
06:56 dcook Well, only 4 minutes now ;)
06:56 dcook There were a few things I was trying to remember to do
06:56 magnuse dcook: sign off something?
06:56 dcook Sent in one patch, updated another... wonder if I can rebase one in 4 minutes..
06:56 dcook magnuse :P
06:56 magnuse :-)
06:56 dcook One of these days I'll get back to testing
06:56 * dcook is going to be crazy busy for the rest of 2015 he thinks
06:56 * magnuse too
06:57 magnuse well, i hope to get back to testing
06:57 magnuse i hope things slow down a little bit after august
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07:00 dcook magnuse: me too
07:00 dcook Perhaps I can grow an extra head and an extra set of hands for the next few months :p
07:00 kivilahtio dcook: I need some REST
07:00 dcook hehe
07:00 dcook I would love some REST too
07:00 kivilahtio damn
07:00 reiveune hello
07:00 dcook salut reiveune
07:01 kivilahtio now I am refactoring permissions sytem to drive automated integration tests for the REST API :)
07:01 kivilahtio I thought I don't need to, but...
07:01 reiveune salut dcook magnuse
07:01 * dcook perks up at the sounds of automated tests and REST API
07:01 kivilahtio I have a patch already
07:01 magnuse bonjour reiveune
07:02 kivilahtio Bug 14495
07:02 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14495 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Needs Signoff , WebDriver/WebTester Factory for easy generation of Web testing UserAgents.
07:02 kivilahtio Bug 14495
07:02 kivilahtio Bug 13691 - PageObjectPattern implementation.
07:02 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13691 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Add some selenium scripts
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07:03 Joubu morning #koha
07:03 kivilahtio dcook: sorry, I havent shared the TestRunner. It runs all tests based on the Swagger2-configuration
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07:03 kivilahtio so if you add a new route, yours test sstart failing unless you provide a suroutine to test each response for the REST route
07:04 dcook :D
07:05 kivilahtio not sure if i shared one of the PageObject-pattern tests, but it goes like this
07:06 kivilahtio my $mainpage = t::lib::Page::Mainpage->new(); $mainpage->isPasswordLoginAvaila​ble()->doPasswordLogin('admin', '1234');
07:06 kivilahtio this autmatically creates two tests for you
07:06 kivilahtio and Throws an Exception if any of those subtests fails
07:06 kivilahtio anyway, gotta go coding
07:08 dcook kivilahtio++
07:08 dcook I have to go too
07:08 dcook Gotta make pizza for my wife :)
07:08 kivilahtio I just hope somebody could sign off something
07:08 kivilahtio have fun!
07:08 dcook You can always try trading signoffs with someone
07:08 kivilahtio dcook: I knoiw :)
07:08 dcook I haven't had time to test anyone's stuff but I recall doing that sometimes
07:09 dcook :)
07:09 dcook Good luck!
07:09 kivilahtio dcook: next year :)
07:09 dcook laters magnuse, reiveune
07:09 dcook Yep, 2016 might be a bit more easygoing
07:09 dcook Ciao for now
07:09 Joubu @later tell rangi "Paste not found." :)
07:09 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded.
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07:11 rangi salright, i fixed it already :)
07:11 rangi everytime i touch git-bz ... im suprised it doesnt break more
07:11 Joubu :)
07:12 rangi grabbing html and doing regex over it is a really fragile way to do things
07:12 rangi[…]lla3/rest/version
07:12 cait rangi++ :)
07:12 rangi[…]la3/rest/bug/8022
07:13 rangi some day ill rewrite it in perl6 and using the rest api
07:13 rangi http://bugzilla.readthedocs.or[…]i/index.html#apis
07:14 rangi http://bugzilla.readthedocs.or[…]1/attachment.html
07:14 Joubu whaou small fix, well done
07:14 rangi that seems a lot better
07:14 rangi than screen scraping ;)
07:14 cait yep
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07:15 Joubu rangi: One very useful feature of the v.5 is the ability to export a result list to csv
07:15 cait hm  I think that worked before
07:15 cait i have done it a few times :)
07:15 rangi its a lot easier now
07:15 cait cool :)
07:16 Joubu ha, didn't know
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07:16 rangi little icons across the bottom
07:16 Joubu now you have a link on the result list
07:16 rangi yep
07:16 cait quite hidden at the bottom in a text link in the past
07:16 rangi[…]a3/duplicates.cgi
07:16 rangi is interesting too
07:17 cait cool new features
07:17 AmitG @bug 14520
07:17 huginn` AmitG: Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14520 major, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, Needs Signoff , Prevent to override the existing currency code.
07:17 cait bugzilla++
07:17 rangi[…]elease-notes.html  <-- can you see that?
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07:18 magnuse rangi: yup
07:18 Joubu yep
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07:18 rangi cool, you can read more of the features there
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07:19 rangi i think the rest api would make some of the things the sandboxes do easier too
07:19 gaetan_B hello
07:19 Joubu AmitG: could you link it with the one for itemtype?
07:20 AmitG hi Joubu
07:26 AmitG Joubu it's done
07:29 rangi i think ill just make the changes in the css to switch the comments back to the previous behaviour
07:32 magnuse paperwork--
07:34 Joubu rangi: yep you should. I really don't like the "display: block" style on the quotes
07:34 Joubu they should have let this change as an option
07:34 rangi ill try something
07:38 rangi[…].cgi?id=10988#c31
07:38 huginn` Bug 10988: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, vanoudt, Signed Off , Allow login via Google OAuth2
07:38 rangi better or worse?
07:39 Joubu What's the difference? :
07:39 Joubu :)
07:39 rangi (i just removed the fixed width)
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07:40 Joubu Not a big change imo
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07:40 rangi do you still need to scroll ?
07:41 marcelr hi #koha
07:41 rangi ill try somethign else if so
07:41 Joubu rangi: yes there are still the scrollbars
07:42 rangi righto
07:42 rangi you did a shift-refresh to get the new css eh? :)
07:42 rangi if so, then ill edit it a different way
07:43 Joubu yes!
07:43 ashimema morning
07:44 rangi is it any better now?
07:44 rangi hi ashimema
07:45 Joubu don't see any changes
07:45 rangi can yuo view source
07:45 rangi and paste the url of the css
07:46 cait morning ashimema
07:46 Joubu <link href="data/assets/7aa6ea67​750936a0368541421bdcd5ee.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css">
07:46 rangi[…]05277d0702e66.css
07:46 rangi thats the problem
07:46 rangi grumble
07:47 rangi ill track down all the places to change it
07:47 Joubu .bz_comment_text span.quote {color: #65379c;white-space: pre;overflow: auto;display: block;}
07:47 magnuse hiya ashimema
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07:49 magnuse kia ora paul_p
07:49 rangi yep, there are a bunch of different css files
07:49 paul_p 'morning magnuse
07:49 paul_p 'night rangi
07:49 rangi which is why you were seeing no changes, when i was Joubu
07:49 rangi hey paul_p
07:50 Joubu rangi: different css files for the same page?
07:51 rangi yeah
07:51 rangi ive figured it out
07:51 rangi you have to edit global.css
07:51 rangi then run
07:52 rangi that creates new ones, so that any changes arent cached
07:52 * rangi tries again
07:53 Joubu oops
07:53 Joubu "Internal Server Error" :)
07:53 Joubu ha back
07:54 rangi working better now?
07:54 Joubu hum... no
07:54 Joubu I still don't see any changes
07:55 Joubu ha!
07:55 Joubu I switched to private mode and it works
07:56 rangi ahh cached css im guessing
07:56 rangi hopefully it will come right
07:57 Joubu yes, display: inline;
07:57 rangi cool
07:57 * Joubu doesn't understand why the browser didn't refresh correctly...
08:07 jajm cait around ?
08:08 cait kid of
08:08 cait kind of
08:10 cait which means answers might take a bit :) what's up?
08:11 jajm hello cait, i have heard that you are the QA specialist of the VAT rewrite :)
08:12 jajm it remains only 3 signed off bugs (13321 13323 13324) and i was wondering if you have planned to look at those
08:13 jajm or if something is preventing the QA to pass
08:16 cait i had planned to look at those for ages :(
08:17 cait I will try to ask around on the qa team for some help this week
08:17 cait i wanted to check first if the branch still applies on current master, maybe you coudl check?
08:17 jajm cait, sure, i'll check that
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08:39 cait is there a trick to turn of search highlighting in the staff interface?
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08:43 magnuse cait: just disable javascript ;-)
08:43 cait heh
09:09 magnuse ooh, nice new way to do MARC: 1!*!10!*!245!*!10!*!$aAktuellt i biståndspolitiken
09:22 cait huh?
09:34 jajm cait, i rebased branch ft/bug_13323 and updated sandbox 17
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09:46 cait jajm: thx!
09:57 cait hm is it possible we broke the rss feeds for the result list?
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10:00 cait morning drojf
10:00 cait did you test the result list rss feeds by chane?
10:06 cait they don't work for me
10:06 drojf sorry, on a bus. not recently, afair
10:19 drojf git-bz gives me "413 Request Entity Too Large" now
10:21 rangi thats an old one, big patch?
10:22 cait drojf: latest fishsoup?
10:23 drojf yes. but maybe related to bus wifi. will try at home
10:24 drojf it's not a huge patch i think, i rebased the emnail encryption patch
10:24 drojf *email
10:25 cait bug 14524
10:25 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14524 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Result list RSS feed broken
10:27 drojf later #koha
10:30 Joubu Is there any easy way to know which language is selected on the interface?
10:31 Joubu It seems we need 1/ the CGI object and 2/ browse the FS
10:31 cait hmm
10:31 cait i am thinking of where we check that - maybe the code for the news?
10:31 cait but that's quite old
10:31 Joubu the $template has the info, it's good if you need to use it from the pl script, but what about the modules? :-/
10:32 cait or the code for the language chooser, as it displays the chosen language differently
10:32 Joubu yes but I need it at the module level
10:32 cait i guess there is no routine then to find out
10:34 cait lunch time
10:37 rangi thats what the browser has set as its languages
10:37 Joubu ha no
10:37 rangi not what the user has chosen
10:39 * rangi goes to bed
10:42 Joubu I don't know where the magic is, but new CGI->cookie('KohaOpacLanguage'); does the trick (???)
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11:32 xekhz hello
11:32 wahanui hola, xekhz
11:32 xekhz ppl, i need some help with my koha .. is this the the palce ?
11:32 xekhz to ask ?
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11:40 cait Joubu: that seems to make sense
11:40 cait xekhz: just ask, if someone knows they will answer
11:40 xekhz ok,
11:40 xekhz thanks,
11:41 xekhz i am using koha since version 3.08 and i had any major trouble until now.
11:44 xekhz in versio 3.20.01, when i  try to add items to create labels, in NEW BATCH, i first do a search using if i only use the search item Title or any onther in that tab it works
11:44 xekhz but when i try to search using the calendar, option ADDED ON OR AFTER DATE.
11:44 xekhz ZEBRA always returns an error
11:45 cait hm
11:46 cait waht kind of error?
11:46 cait magnuse: thx for confirming the bug
11:47 xekhz Search biblios ERROR 114 1+0  RPN @attrset Bib-1 @attr 1=32 @attr 4=5 @attr 2=4 2015-07-13
11:48 xekhz nothing is returned to koha.
11:49 cait it might be a bug, but i am not sure
11:49 cait we are ont using the labelmodule
11:50 cait you could try emailing the mailing list with your problem
11:50 cait more people reading
11:50 xekhz i will do it,
11:50 xekhz but i am not sure if my marc struture e ok.
11:51 xekhz it passes the framework test, but im afraid that i could have deleted a critical marc record related to the zebra search
11:51 cait is your normal search working?
11:51 cait in opac and staff?
11:52 xekhz yes
11:52 cait did you change the zebra configuration?
11:52 xekhz no,
11:52 xekhz never touched zebra conf
11:52 cait ah, one think you can check: on the about page - system information
11:52 cait if there are any warns or errors showing there
11:53 xekhz no wornings
11:53 xekhz warnings...
11:53 wahanui warnings are nothing to worry about.
11:53 xekhz and no errors
11:53 cait wahanui: is a bot, don't let him irritate you
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11:54 xekhz ok
11:55 cait you could also file a bug
11:55 cait bugs?
11:55 wahanui bugs is http://devopsreactions.tumblr.[…]ter-a-new-release
11:55 cait hm that was not the link i was lookign for :)
11:55 cait is the one
11:58 xekhz thanks
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12:21 magnuse ¡hola tcohen!
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12:21 cait hola tcohen
12:24 tcohen hi fellows
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12:48 marcelr hola tcohen
12:48 marcelr nice introduction :)
12:49 marcelr holds
12:49 marcelr wahanui
12:49 wahanui yes, marcelr?
12:49 tcohen hola marcelr
12:49 marcelr holds
12:49 tcohen holds?
12:49 wahanui rumour has it holds is fun :)
12:49 marcelr holds are terrible
12:50 cait holds?
12:50 wahanui holds is fun :)
12:50 cait holds?
12:50 wahanui i think holds is fun :)
12:50 cait holds?
12:50 wahanui holds is fun :)
12:50 cait holds?
12:50 wahanui holds is fun :)
12:50 cait hah
12:50 cait i taught you differently!
12:50 cait hold?
12:50 wahanui i think hold is complete
12:50 marcelr wahanui forget holds
12:50 wahanui marcelr: I forgot holds
12:50 cait forget hold
12:50 wahanui cait: I forgot hold
12:50 marcelr holds?
12:50 cait holds are made to sell more aspirin
12:50 cait holds?
12:50 wahanui holds are made to sell more aspirin
12:51 marcelr cait++
12:51 cait and a full inbox after vacation has a similar effect :)
12:51 tcohen marcelr: thanks for the kind welcome message :D
12:51 marcelr heh
12:52 marcelr tochen i even left out what are you doing here  LOL
12:53 tcohen heh
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12:54 nengard_afk morning all
12:56 marcelr hi nengard
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13:06 magnuse ¡hola nengard!
13:06 nengard hiya marcelr and magnuse
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13:25 xekhz bug reported
13:25 xekhz thanks for the help
13:28 xekhz[…]_bug.cgi?id=14527
13:28 huginn` Bug 14527: normal, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , zebra error 114 when searching for items added before or after a specific date
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13:34 cait xekhz: thx for reporting
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13:50 drojf hi #koha
13:52 magnuse @wunder boo
13:52 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 17.0°C (3:20 PM CEST on July 13, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
13:53 xekhz @wunder boo
13:53 huginn` xekhz: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 17.0°C (3:20 PM CEST on July 13, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
13:53 xekhz @wunder lisbon
13:53 huginn` xekhz: Error: No such location could be found.
13:53 xekhz @wunder london
13:53 huginn` xekhz: Error: No such location could be found.
13:54 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
13:54 huginn` drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 20.0°C (3:50 PM CEST on July 13, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
13:55 drojf warm, but almost dark
13:55 xekhz @wunder lisbon, portugal
13:55 huginn` xekhz: Error: No such location could be found.
13:55 xekhz baaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
13:55 drojf heh
13:56 drojf the weather thingy is a little weird
13:56 xekhz @wunder  portugal
13:56 huginn` xekhz: Error: No such location could be found.
13:57 drojf @wunder lisboa
13:57 huginn` drojf: Error: No such location could be found.
13:57 drojf well
13:57 drojf doesn#t exist, sorry ;)
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13:57 magnuse @wunder lisboa, portugal
13:57 huginn` magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
13:57 magnuse @wunder lisabon, portugal
13:57 huginn` magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
13:57 magnuse @wunder lisbon, portugal
13:57 huginn` magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
13:57 magnuse huh?
13:58 drojf where does the weather data come from?
13:58 magnuse @wunder lisbon
13:58 huginn` magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
13:58 magnuse, i *think*
13:59 magnuse @wunder lppt
13:59 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Lisbon, Portugal is 26.0°C (2:30 PM WEST on July 13, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
14:00 xekhz @wunder  lpbj
14:00 huginn` xekhz: The current temperature in Beja, Portugal is 30.0°C (2:00 PM WEST on July 13, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 33%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
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14:55 Joubu barton: sorry, my answer was a bit too short to be complete :-/ You were not ambiguous
14:56 cait Joubu++ thx!
14:59 barton Joubu++
15:01 cait imine was for the rss patch :)
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15:06 Joubu yes, we need it to be backported quite quickly, I think the bug exists in all version now :-/
15:06 Joubu I did not test
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15:07 reiveune bye
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15:22 cait Joubu: still around?
15:22 Joubu yep
15:22 cait bug 13943
15:22 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13943 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Cancelling the deletion process of an item deletes item anyway
15:22 cait i think there is some confusion there
15:22 cait i think it's not browser specific
15:22 cait but related to the results browser
15:23 cait could you try - search results - detail page (with results browser showing up) - edit items - delete
15:23 cait ?
15:24 Joubu "although in my case the problem was with Chrome and IE while it worked in Firefox."
15:24 cait it happens for our customers in firefox
15:25 cait they showed me while screen sharing
15:25 cait by the way i told you
15:25 Joubu ha
15:25 cait it#s totally reproducable, i just did it in firefox
15:25 Joubu weird, I tried that 10min ago
15:25 cait don't use the edit items link from the results page
15:26 Joubu it didn't work, but it has worked now!
15:26 cait go detail > edit items
15:26 cait i will write what i did on the bug
15:26 Joubu it's exactly what I did 10min ago :)
15:26 Joubu that's a bit... irritating
15:27 cait one of those bugs that are really ugly
15:27 cait with the result browser showing (on the edit item screen!) i can reproduce it pretty well
15:28 pianohacker hallo
15:28 Joubu cait: but you do you click on delete if you don't want to delete it? :p
15:29 Joubu s/you/why
15:29 cait the library says the links are too close
15:29 Joubu that's true
15:29 cait so they might misclick
15:29 cait and honestly... if i had had this happen in a demo... people would get pretty worried
15:31 Joubu ctrl+q!
15:31 cait huh?
15:31 cait no matter what you say, i will still say it's an evil bug
15:33 cait ;)
15:38 Joubu My browser is possessed!!!
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15:44 Joubu cait: what's the usefulness of the "edit item" and "delete item" links when you click on the table,
15:44 Joubu ?
15:45 pianohacker Joubu: for when the table gets wide and you have to scroll to get back to the links on the left
15:46 Joubu pianohacker: good point, thanks
15:47 pianohacker Joubu: I was a bit confused by it when I first discovered it too, but the test data we use often results in much narrower tables :)
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16:31 gaetan_B bye
17:03 Joubu tcohen: I didn't find any typo "KOHA" on your website, I am not sure you will be listed!
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17:21 tcohen Joubu: hahah
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19:52 rangi morning
19:52 nengard hola rangi
19:57 rangi ah ha my cunning plan worked
19:58 nengard ??
19:58 liw rangi, that's the best kind of cunning plan
19:58 rangi h2 is answering even more mail now :)
19:58 nengard oh! hehe
19:58 pianohacker hahaha
19:58 nengard tricky tricky
19:59 pianohacker rangi: while I hate to ambush someone first thing in the morning, could I ask you a brief translation questin?
19:59 pianohacker *question
20:00 rangi go for it, i may not know the answer, its been 5 or so years since i last looked at that stuff
20:00 rangi but fire away
20:01 pianohacker okay, fair. Was going off my memory of you being involved in translation
20:02 pianohacker rangi: is there any kind of documentation of the sorts of strings (parameterized or otherwise) that spits out? I may have to do some heavy digging in the translation code to fix bug 4503, and I'm trying to preserve parity
20:02 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4503 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, NEW , Javascript files in js directory are not translated
20:02 pianohacker and while I'll of course verify that it spits out a similar POT the code is obscure enough that I'm not sure what's needed and what's by cosmic accident
20:02 rangi hhmmm i dont know of any, bgkriegel might know, he has been working on that i think?
20:03 pianohacker okay. Haven't been able to get in touch with him
20:04 pianohacker Thanks regardless, there's so many levels of nesting that I'm still figuring out where everything goes
20:04 rangi ahh, next time you see tcohen
20:04 drojf pianohacker: can you add context support while you're in there? :P
20:04 rangi he often sits near bgkriegel at work
20:05 rangi ask him to poke him for you :)
20:05 pianohacker rangi: he's running away from my emails about this too :)
20:05 pianohacker drojf: context support?
20:05 rangi hehe
20:06 rangi[…]b-rescue-a-kitten
20:06 drojf pianohacker: you can have context for translations. somehow. for disambiguation
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20:06 rangi tldr; ryan adams  is in nz for a tour
20:07 drojf i want to do that eventually, but i remember it was all twisted mazes in there so i was happy i found my way out again ;)
20:07 rangi he saw a cat in a cemetery, and the biggest twitter orchestrated rescue ever took place, its neat ;)
20:08 rangi drojf/pianohacker im wondering if what we want to do is leave that code alone, and investigate doing the po files a whole different way
20:08 pianohacker drojf: dear lord yes. Do you have any more info? That sounds interesting
20:08 pianohacker rangi: depends what you mean
20:08 drojf rangi: probably 1000x easier :D
20:08 drojf pianohacker: i think i have some notes somewhere. will have a look tomorrow
20:08 rangi im thinking using js
20:08 pianohacker I was probably going for the same workflow but was gonna have to toss most of the code
20:09 rangi you switch the site to translation mode
20:09 rangi and you can click on stuff
20:09 pianohacker rangi: on-demand client-side translation?
20:09 rangi and translate it, and it gets written back somewhere
20:09 pianohacker I think I remember this conversation
20:09 rangi which then you can submit somehow upstream
20:09 rangi i havent fully formed this idea ;)
20:10 pianohacker hmm... while that helps with the filling in of .pot's (.po's without translations? Is that right?), there's still the other two steps of generating the .pot's and applying the translated .po's
20:10 rangi yeah
20:11 drojf kivilahtio said it would be very easy to do. some time ago, before he did a lot of other things ;)
20:11 rangi everyone says that
20:11 pianohacker ... kivi has a habit of saying things will be easy ;)
20:11 rangi until they start
20:12 pianohacker rangi: does have a good translation workflow?
20:12 rangi
20:13 rangi naw, they dont do any translation
20:13 pianohacker was curious if you had a maori version
20:14 rangi[…]/lib/Locale/  I wonder if that doc is any help?
20:15 pianohacker rangi: yeah, thanks
20:15 rangi thats whats doing the reading/writing .. then all the really confusing stuff is in the C4::Tmpl* modules
20:17 pianohacker rangi: yeah, the problem is the crazy interaction and nesting... translate create calls tmpl_process calls LangInstaller calls xgettext calls tmpltokenizer calls ttparser...
20:17 rangi yeah, i get lost in there
20:17 pianohacker I always wondered why .pref translation was glommed on the side of LangInstaller and I'm quickly figuring it out
20:18 rangi i feel like it has to be being made more complicated than it needs to be
20:19 pianohacker I very much agree
20:19 pianohacker I think about 20% of the complexity is there because we're trying to automagically translate .tt's rather than doing anything more explicit
20:20 rangi *nod*
20:21 pianohacker and actually rangi, that was another question you might have some perspective on; does the current workflow (leaving aside the awkwardness of translating at a distance in a .po editor vs. something like what you mentioned)
20:21 pianohacker work well for translators?
20:23 drojf there is not much about the process that i would describe as "working well"
20:24 rangi it works decently well for the translators themselves
20:24 rangi we have one of the most translated projects
20:24 rangi and certainly one of the biggest amount to translate
20:24 rangi and it's solid
20:25 rangi its not often we build broken templates out of it
20:25 rangi but it is overly complex
20:25 rangi (for the developers)
20:25 rangi the main problem for the translators is context ... which is the problem when doing any translation
20:26 rangi (my dad is a licensed translator and interpreter :))
20:26 pianohacker (oh, cool!)
20:27 drojf regarding context[…]ode/Contexts.html
20:27 drojf also bug 11285
20:27 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11285 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Vocabulary disambiguation
20:28 pianohacker drojf: ah, so vaaaaaguely like what the .pref .po files do?
20:29 drojf pianohacker: not sure how the pref po files are done
20:30 pianohacker I very much want to solve the pain point of untranslatable .js files, but are there any other headaches for development that you all can think of (besides contexts)?
20:30 pianohacker drojf: example: msgid "acquisitions.pref#AcqEnableFiles# Do"
20:30 pianohacker msgstr "Do"
20:31 drojf ah that thing. it shows up in translations from time to time when people don't know it has to be deleted in the translated version ;)
20:35 pianohacker drojf: it seems like a hacky version of what you're talking about
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20:42 pianohacker drojf: do you know how that context thing is supposed to show up in the .po?
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21:39 drojf pianohacker: afaik it will have multiple entries in the po file, one for each context
21:40 rangi[…]20707787778195457
21:41 pianohacker kk
21:41 pianohacker rangi: that twitter cat rescue is adorable
21:42 rangi pianohacker: it's pretty neat eh
21:43 * cait waves
21:43 pianohacker drojf: now that I've read up on it, I'm not sure why whoever did the .pref thing didn't use it. In a rush, wasn't properly exposed in pootle, ...?
21:43 drojf i wish i could scroll to the next page in storify
21:43 pianohacker hi cait?
21:43 pianohacker hi cait!
21:43 cait hi pianohacker?!
21:44 cait pianohacker: what are you talking about? :)
21:44 pianohacker cait: fixing bug 4503
21:44 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4503 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, NEW , Javascript files in js directory are not translated
21:44 rangi drojf: yeah, endless scroll is kinda annoying
21:44 cait pianohacker: the po file for pref keeps the strings together to make it possible to translate the sentences to make sense
21:44 cait i think it avoids one entry for multiple 'words' intently
21:45 pianohacker cait: ah, that makes sense. Easier than parameterizing them
21:45 drojf rangi: especially if it does not work. i think i allowed a gazillion domains now but it still does not work :/
21:45 drojf or at least it pretends there is more, but does not load
21:45 cait hm yeah... having one entry each with placeholders would be another way - but was probably harder? dunno
21:46 drojf pianohacker: it's probably a little bit of all of that
21:46 pianohacker cait: yeah, harder code
21:46 cait i was glad someoen did make them translatable ;)
21:46 pianohacker yeah, I know...
21:47 pianohacker That was the last thing on the to-do list and undergrad got in the way ;)
21:47 cait heh
21:48 pianohacker but since the general consensus I've reached with rangi and drojf is that the translation workflow is acceptable but the code is crazy, I'm gonna basically rewrite the translation extraction/application code
21:48 pianohacker and post a test plan that allows verification that the generated .po's/templates are basically identical
21:49 cait hm you shoudl get in contact with bgkriegel i think - translation manager then :)
21:49 pianohacker cait: he's avoiding my emails and laters
21:50 pianohacker he can comment on the patch :P
21:53 cait he is not in chat often
21:56 drojf awww kitty rescue (damn storify finally worked)
22:02 drojf TIL koha 3.20 works on redhat 6.6
22:04 pianohacker "works"
22:06 drojf looks less crazy than what i remember i had to do on opensuse when i did my first koha installation[…]dhat_Enterprise_6
22:07 pianohacker heh, the tiny Koha library I used to administrate was on Arch
22:07 pianohacker that was entertainingly crazy
22:07 drojf hehe
22:12 drojf oh my. german tv station buys welsh tv series "hinterland" (which is a german word), and calls it "Inspector Mathias – Mord in Wales" (murder in wales). because it would have been to easy to just once keep the original title
22:12 drojf *too
22:14 drojf i wish they would have to use po files, that would end all the translation and dubbing madness forever
22:14 pianohacker heh, the tv stations?
22:14 drojf yup
22:15 drojf ugh it's late. :/ good night #koha
22:15 pianohacker bye fjord
22:19 eythian hi
22:19 wahanui niihau, eythian
22:20 pianohacker hi eythian
22:21 pianohacker oh! hey eythian. I'm looking at some pretty serious open heart surgery on the translation stuff (originally to fix bug 4503), are there any issues as far as the packages go that I could fix while it's on the table?
22:21 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4503 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, NEW , Javascript files in js directory are not translated
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22:22 eythian pianohacker: probably not, it really just uses the regular koha translation method wrapped up with a pretty bow.
22:22 pianohacker okay, cool. and the misc/translator/translate script is pretty decent... it's just the guts hidden inside that are messy
22:25 eythian yeah :)
22:26 pianohacker well, I'll make sure that the pretty bow stays while the ugly guts get flushed
22:29 eythian excellent :)
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22:29 eythian[…]xing-a-self-ddos/
22:30 pianohacker while true; do dd if=money of=rackspace; done
22:33 pianohacker bye all
22:35 eythian wahanui: german sports is <reply>
22:35 wahanui OK, eythian.
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22:58 eythian Hmm, I dunno if we should trust that guy asking to be added to the support provider list :)
22:59 cait :)
22:59 bag :P
23:01 wizzyrea hehe
23:02 wizzyrea dunno, seems dodgy.
23:02 wizzyrea < TEASING.
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23:48 BobB
23:51 rangi BobB: have you seen
23:51 rangi thats a drupal + koha too
23:51 rangi im hoping tim or someone from that library will answer the mercyhurst email
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23:52 dcook Ahh right. I was going to look at that email..
23:53 wizzyrea yeah that's almost exactly like what have done
23:53 BobB rangi I hadn't, but that is really nice
23:54 dcook So they have Drupal and EDS as the front? Do they send you over to Koha for things like holds or do they use ILS-DI for that?
23:54 * dcook would love to see more front-end options...
23:55 eythian dcook: for, drupal is the brochure site, and koha is the library site
23:55 eythian they're themed to look alike, and share authentication
23:55 wizzyrea looks like they don't use the opac at all for mercyhurst
23:55 dcook wizzyrea: Although it's pretty locked down for mercyhurst, no?
23:56 dcook eythian: brochure site?
23:56 dcook Ahh, there it is
23:56 * dcook sees a Koha link
23:56 rangi dcook: once you login you see a search box
23:56 eythian dcook: stuff for presenting information to people
23:56 rangi which takes you direct to koha
23:57 dcook Mmm, I see I see
23:57 rangi they keep their catalogue, and eds separate
23:57 rangi eds doesnt search koha
23:57 rangi vs say
23:57 rangi
23:57 rangi which uses the plugin
23:57 dcook Yeah, I don't have enough experience with EDS. I think we do exports that get fed into EDS... then I think they use ILS-DI for availability? I'm not 100% sure...
23:58 rangi depends
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23:58 rangi if you put EDS over the top, then yeah you do it that way
23:58 dcook I recall having an issue with the plugin but now I can't remember what it was... I suppose that's why one files bug reports..
23:58 rangi dcook: not on koha tho
23:58 rangi you'd file that bug report with EBSCO
23:58 dcook Yeah, maybe that's why I didn't
23:58 rangi they do the plugin and are pretty responsive
23:58 wizzyrea you still should though.
23:59 wizzyrea you just do it on github
23:59 dcook Yeah, Andrew(?) seems pretty good
23:59 rangi alvet
23:59 dcook Ah right
23:59 dcook In hindsight, I think maybe the issue wasn't with the plugin but with something that was being done here with it...

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