IRC log for #koha, 2015-04-02

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02:42 eythian[…]lk:Koha_on_Debian <-- cdickinson
02:43 cdickinson Sweet, thanks
02:46 * wizzyrea wonders if dcook made it to the sydneyside wellington thingerdoodle
02:52 dcook Nopes :(
02:52 dcook I just wrapped up some training a little under an hour ago
02:52 dcook And it's 30 minutes one way to that thang :/
02:52 dcook Really tempted to go after work though
02:52 dcook Although it's horribly out of the way :p
02:56 wizzyrea maybe we'll just have to send you a wellington care package.
02:57 dcook :D
02:57 dcook yes!
02:57 dcook I like this idea :)
02:57 dcook Hmm, if my cat food delivery arrives this afternoon, that would save me an errand and give me more time for the thingerdoodle as well..
02:59 eythian we're all heading to beer now.
02:59 eythian later
03:00 dcook Enjoy your beers!
03:00 dcook Thanks again for the tip today, wizzyrea :)
03:02 dcook Hmm, I wonder when this "live chat" will actually be live and not just a bot...
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03:06 ashimema_ ...
03:07 dcook Ahh
03:07 dcook I think that was aleisha_ saying "..." to aleisha :p
03:07 aleisha huh?
03:08 ashimema not exactly sure why I became _ in the first place there.
03:15 dcook Probably just got knocked off the network at some point
03:15 dcook Let's see if my delivery has been mucked up
03:15 dcook Wait a minute...
03:15 dcook Isn't it crazy early in the UK right now?
03:15 dcook 4:15am
03:15 dcook Why are you awake my good ashimema?
03:15 ashimema baby won't sleep
03:16 ashimema so i thought I'd try to work out where we're using DBIx::Connector
03:16 ashimema thus far I'm drawing a blank.. I was looking for inspiration to use in another app ;)
03:17 dcook Ahh, fair enough ;)
03:18 dcook DBIx::Connector... doesn't sound familiar
03:23 ashimema it's in the dependancies..
03:23 ashimema but I cna't find any mention of it's use anywhere.
03:23 ashimema mwah.. perhaps dic uses it natively..
03:23 ashimema mwah.. perhaps dbic uses it natively..
03:23 dcook Probably
03:23 dcook Funny it would be listed in the dependancies though if that's the case :S
03:24 dcook Mind you, the dependancy list can be a bit funny sometimes
03:24 dcook Oh man... so I just got cat food delivered to my office. I don't know if I could be any more of a librarian stereotype.
03:24 dcook Maybe if I put my hair in a bun...
03:24 ashimema lol
03:26 ashimema you have a office...
03:26 ashimema my cat spends most of his day in my 'office'.. watches me code
03:27 dcook hehe
03:27 dcook My cats are lazy. Occasionally when I'm working in my 'office', one of them will sleep next to me
03:27 dcook Well, on the futon near me
03:27 dcook I think they only open their eyes for food and pats
03:28 ashimema lol.. yup, typical cat
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03:58 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
04:02 kivilahtio good mornings #Koha!
04:06 mtompset Greetings, kivilahtio.
04:06 kivilahtio top of the morning to you as well mtompset
04:07 mtompset Out of curiosity, has anyone tried to go to the staff client to do a system update instead of running the command line directly on a git system recently?
04:09 mtompset I'm getting a nasty error, which I ended up determining was a result of the system($cmd) running as the apache2 user and not me.
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05:31 cait mtompset: bug 13876
05:31 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13876 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Permission issues on updating via installer - dev installations
05:32 mtompset Thanks cait.
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06:26 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
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06:28 marcelr hi #koha
06:31 cait morning marcelr
06:31 marcelr :)
06:31 marcelr cait: i will not be able to do much on april 10
06:32 cait i saw
06:32 cait i think we need to start about freeze days soon too
06:32 marcelr i guess tomas should send a mail about that
06:32 cait yeah, i will ask him if they are set yet
06:33 cait marcelr: i will see how the feedback from the others is - maybe we can do a second one or push to the later date
06:33 marcelr yes first hear the others
06:36 cait marcelr: also trying to stick to your rule lately :) with the exception that i look at some bugs first
06:37 marcelr there will always be exceptions :)
06:43 cait ok, bbiab
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06:55 drojf morning #koha
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07:05 alex_a bonjour
07:05 wahanui salut, alex_a
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07:08 fridolin saluyt
07:08 fridolin heu, bonjour I mean
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07:39 gaetan_B hello
07:53 ashimema morning
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08:00 alex_a happy birthday matts !!!!
08:01 matts thanks alex_a :)
08:09 nlegrand Hiya #Koha
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08:22 drojf happy birthday matts :)
08:22 matts thanks :)
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09:00 * cait waves
09:03 cdickinson eythian, not sure if you're alive but that updated guide helped a lot, got it working at home
09:06 cait hm bug 12616
09:06 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12616 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Locale in subscriptions should not default to English when empty
09:08 cait or more... bug 12616
09:45 drojf hi cait
09:47 cait hi drojf
09:47 cait no idea about beda's problem
09:48 drojf i suppose he did not change the index files correctly
09:49 drojf just sent a longish mail about that
09:50 drojf would explain the 0 for linked biblios and the non-working index
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11:41 cait drojf++
11:41 cait sorry had a long webinar
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11:54 drojf oh nice it worked for him :)
11:54 drojf even though i made a mistake in the example ;)
11:55 cait bug 13943 - grump!
11:55 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13943 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Cancelling the deletion process of an item deletes item anyway
11:55 drojf ugh
11:56 cait the funny thing is... i can't make it happen, but the library can
11:56 drojf :(
11:56 cait i saw it happen
11:56 * cait hates bugs like this
12:01 drojf can't reproduce it. there is no reload when i hit cancel
12:01 drojf local js?
12:01 cait nthing that hits buttons... and it would happen for me too?
12:02 drojf hm
12:06 cait khall++ # one of our libraries just loves the course reserves module
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12:09 misilot i had a question about bug 13507, if CAS is enabled for the intranet, will it still allow local logins? Or would all accounts have to be CAS based? Not sure if I should ask on the bug report or not, so starting here :)
12:09 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13507 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Passed QA , Add intranet support for CAS authentication
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12:29 ashimema misilot, I've not yet looked at the patch, but I'd imagine that it's like CAS for OPAC.. so allows for local fallbacks.
12:29 misilot ashimema: ok thanks
12:29 ashimema When I get rond to completing the shibboleth on staff side patch on the other hand.. that will be configurable via a syspref as to whether it should allow fallback or not.
12:30 ashimema I don't know if CAS comes under the same constraints as shibboleth for fallback though..  Shibboleth just falls over if the IdP disappears... I have a feeling CAS is initiated at the service side and so it's less of an issue
12:30 ashimema but that's another question alltogether
12:31 * ashimema should really start looking at the auth patches again.. he's falling a long way behind of late.
12:31 * ashimema is a bad module maintainer..
12:31 misilot ashimema: possibly. When we loose access to one of our CAS servers and the Load balancer doesn't detect it, it usuall falls over at least for PHP applications we use it for
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12:33 ashimema Whats the cycle of events in CAS.. is there a redirect like in Shibboleth?
12:33 ashimema the issue with shibboleth is that your directed away from the service provider to do the authentication..
12:33 ashimema if your auth then fails for any reason you are note redirected back to the service provider.. so the user disapears into a black whole..
12:34 ashimema there's no way for the service provider to detect the failed attempt and fallback..
12:34 misilot ashimema: yes, that is the same with CAS
12:34 misilot as you will stay at the login page for CAS until you authenticate correctly
12:34 ashimema oh really.. I thought in CAS you initiated the connection from the service provider and passed credentials..
12:34 ashimema if your passing the credentials you can detect a failure or timeout and fallback internally.
12:35 ashimema they've both got the same unfortunate issues then.
12:35 misilot say site is site1.example.tld ->(Requires CAS) -> redirected to https://cas.example.tld/cas/lo[…]site1.example.tld where you enter your credentials, and if you succeed you get redirected to the service
12:35 ashimema I was tempted to add a 'detect IdP' piece into koha for shibboleth
12:36 misilot with attributes and user information in the session variables
12:36 misilot at least with PHP
12:36 ashimema I already have to do something like that for another customer.. but it's a really nasty hack.. I basically attempt to load an image
12:36 ashimema very much along the same lines as shibboleth then.
12:36 ashimema thanks misilot.. that's helped with my undertsanding no end :)
12:37 misilot ashimema: no problem :) I am trying to get shibboleth implemented where I am, as it will allow me to not have to use LDAP for some services that have a Shibboleth module
12:37 misilot that way I can still keep SSO
12:37 ashimema sounds good..
12:37 ashimema koha can do both.. which is nice.. gives you the options..
12:38 ashimema does single log out work with CAS?
12:38 ashimema I know it's a real bug bear in the shibboleth world..
12:38 ashimema most providers don't support it well
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12:41 misilot ashimema: I haven't tried CAS with Koha yet (not sure where you specify settings to try it (ie: attribute mapping)) but Single logout for some of other applications it does work, though I think it's more the applications themselves aren't checking back to see if the CAS session is still valid
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12:41 ashimema Yeah.. that's pretty much the same issue with Shibboleth..
12:41 kivilahtio yay for a 4-day weekend
12:41 ashimema the client applications themselves aren't very good at realising there's a logout happened.
12:42 ashimema koha does attempt to do single logout.. it sends the right massages.. but a large number of IdP's just don't accept them..
12:42 ashimema so although you've done your logout, you'll imediately get logged back in as the IdP hasn't changes the session state at it's end..
12:43 ashimema which is a shame
12:43 ashimema anyone out there using aracni to pen test ?
12:44 ashimema sorry arachni
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12:50 nengard morning #koha
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12:51 leif good morning
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12:59 * cait waves
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12:59 * cait hands drojf some cookies
13:00 cait safe ones of course
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13:03 drojf awww :)
13:03 drojf thanks
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13:18 nlegrand I added a script to try to reproduce Bug 13933
13:18 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13933 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , t/DateUtils.t causes the build to break (from bug 13601)
13:19 nlegrand argh
13:19 nlegrand wrong bug
13:20 nlegrand argh I'm sorry, is there a way to clean this
13:20 nlegrand ?
13:22 drojf nlegrand: details of your attachment, edit details, check 'obsolete'
13:22 drojf you can't delete though (afaik)
13:25 nlegrand drojf: thanks.. at least it won't show at first sight...
13:26 cait nlegrand: it happens more often than you'd think
13:26 cait don't worry :)
13:26 nlegrand so, I added a script to try to reproduce Bug 13810...
13:26 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13810 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Prevent from breaking because of case insensitive utf8 collation
13:27 nlegrand cait: ^^'
13:30 cait sorry, can't check it right now :(
13:36 nlegrand cait: ho no problem :) this was my grateful but still a bit ashamed look -> ^^'
13:37 cait numbers are not my thing - i get the bug numbers wrong often :)
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13:52 khall cait et al, looking for input on[…]_bug.cgi?id=13944
13:52 huginn Bug 13944: minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, NEW , Fund sorting is inconsistent across different parts of Koha
13:56 cait hm commented
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14:12 khall cait: thanks!
14:12 khall also cait, can you look at bug 13945? I'd swear I filed a patch for this but I cannot find it
14:12 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13945 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Multiple dialogs for item that needs transferred and hold captured at checkin
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14:15 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
14:17 mtompset git grep "=\s*GetBiblio("
14:17 mtompset bug 10906
14:17 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10906 normal, P5 - low, ---, abl, Needs Signoff , Reimported records into Koha are imported only as DEFAULT frameworks, not what they were originally
14:17 * mtompset cries that serials/ has similar bug.
14:18 cait khall: not right now sorry
14:18 cait have to leave soon and still so much to do
14:18 khall k
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14:35 cait bug 13913
14:35 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13913 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Renewal error message in OPAC is not correct
14:35 * cait has a bug day...
14:49 drojf gotta go shopping and stuff. see you next week, have a nice holiday if applicable
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15:27 mtompset nengard: Could confirm that bug 11064 is a duplicate for bug 10906?
15:27 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11064 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , batch import ignoring framework choice
15:27 nengard bug 11064
15:27 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10906 normal, P5 - low, ---, abl, Signed Off , Reimported records into Koha are imported only as DEFAULT frameworks, not what they were originally
15:29 nengard there they are - checking now
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15:29 xok hello...
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15:29 xok I carefully followed instructions from this page:​ha_3.10_on_Centos_6.3_x86_64_en
15:29 nengard actually there is a slight difference - but it might be the same bug. 11064 is that it's not letting you choose the framework on importing the other implies that it's hoping the framework will stay what it was before the match was overlaid
15:29 xok now I am trying to run a software from the web and I get some errors...
15:30 xok
15:30 xok these are the problems...
15:30 xok can any one help me figure out what to do?..
15:30 xok thanks in advance...
15:32 mtompset xok: Are you trying to update?
15:32 xok no clean installation...
15:33 mtompset Hmmm... You might want to check if you have the correct koha-conf.xml password?
15:35 mtompset I'd bug Indranil Das Gupta, because that so looks like a problem he had a while back which was a cut and paste of passwords incorrectly.
15:35 mtompset But he's not on the channel or visible online right now.
15:36 mtompset or even SQL password.
15:37 xok sql password works fine...
15:37 xok I just checked it...
15:37 mtompset can it read the DB?
15:37 mtompset did you run a SELECT * from systempreferences?
15:38 xok no tables are there unfortunately...
15:41 mtompset set NAMES 'utf8'; runs?
15:41 xok yeah, I am able to connect to the mysql...
15:41 xok I have to say I am not a new to the linux world...
15:42 xok I do know it pretty well...
15:42 mtompset Sorry. Don't know then.
15:42 mtompset I have to run too.
15:42 mtompset Have a great day, #koha.
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19:04 misilot Hi, I am trying to change the link that for the "Title" in Hold's to Pull. I was able to find the file, which references at Line 116. When I go to the from what I can tell it should display the link instead of the since "BiblioDefaultViewmarc" isn't set anywhere that I can tell in the or any ideas? Thanks :)
19:24 gaetan_B hi misilot, if you change anything in the templates directly (which is what you are trying to do right now) your change will be lost when you update koha
19:24 gaetan_B everytime you update koha ;)
19:25 gaetan_B the good way to work around this when it really is a requirement is to change the text on the fly with javascript
19:25 misilot gaetan_B: I was going to submit a patch once I figured out why it is showing the MARCdetail instead of detail
19:25 gaetan_B you can find a couple examples here:[…]ki/JQuery_Library
19:26 gaetan_B maybe i don't get what you are trying to do then
19:27 gaetan_B i thought you were trying to change the way something is labeled in the interface
19:28 gaetan_B anyway, time to leave the computer here, good luck with your patch :)
19:28 misilot gaetan_B: trying to change a link in the interface
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20:04 DisneyDave Hello!
20:04 DisneyDave Does Koha has a web service API that enables check-out and check-in?  I want to write a macro to automate checkins and checkouts without writing direct to the database.
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20:06 bag heya DisneyDave - there is a bunch of work on restful apis right now
20:07 DisneyDave Thanks @bag!
20:07 bag DisneyDave:[…]/New_REST_API_RFC
20:07 cdickinson ninja'd
20:07 DisneyDave I have an RFID checkin system which sends me a CSF report with user ID, user name, item and item ID
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20:07 bag so DisneyDave you’ll find tons of useful info there and you should be to dig around in current Koha to find what you need
20:07 DisneyDave I'd love to write a macro to check the items in and out without writing to the database
20:08 DisneyDave Ok, thanks @bag
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