IRC log for #koha, 2015-02-27

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01:04 pianohacker can I throw up an out-of-the-loop batsignal? My zebra is borked, and rebuilds fail with No such record type: dom./home/feoh3/l/koha/etc/zebrad​b/biblios/etc/dom-config-marc.xml
01:07 eythian yes, that may happen
01:07 eythian[…]_such_record_type
01:07 eythian I need to give that page some more polish
01:08 pianohacker *sigh* zebra errors... thank you
01:09 eythian I had the same issue a little while ago, hence writing it down
01:10 pianohacker you're mahvelous. How on earth did you figure that out?
01:11 eythian I think I googled and found someone else who had similar issues and eventually worked it out.
01:14 pianohacker eythian++
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02:40 eythian[…]g-for-small-wages
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05:39 * dcook thinks the person writing the serials help doesn't know the definition of biannually or bimonthly...
05:40 dcook Mind you, it's not an easy thing to talk about
05:41 dcook I just read an email talking about "two per month (ie two monthly)"
05:41 dcook That sounds like two per month... but then it sounds like it's referring to two specific issues from two different months in parentheses...
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06:33 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:33 huginn cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 1.1°C (7:33 AM CET on February 27, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
06:33 cait @wunder Marseille
06:33 huginn cait: The current temperature in Saint Victoret, France is 6.6°C (7:33 AM CET on February 27, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
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06:51 drojf morning #koha
06:51 * cait waves
06:53 drojf hi cait :)
06:55 cait hi drojf :)
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07:19 coles hola
07:19 wahanui hey, coles
07:19 coles hi
07:19 rsz hi, I have added a book as biblio, and further added an item inside it, still when I try to place a hold, I get the errror "No available items." on opac search,
07:20 coles Anyone familiar with postfix? Want to sent notices from Koha using it. Or any suggestion how I can send notices to patron?
07:21 coles Using email of course
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07:29 cait hi cole - does the item show up in opac?
07:30 cait did you set up a default circulation rule? try adding one for the default libray, default category and default itemtype (or all all all, whatever it says)
07:33 coles yep item show up in opac
07:37 * magnuse waves then dives headlong into the swedish yearly statistics
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07:42 magnuse tjänare Viktor
07:42 magnuse and matts
07:42 coles already setup for the circulation rules
07:42 Viktor Godmorgon magnuse
07:44 coles anyone know how to setup postfix? use for send notices from koha. any tutorial website or forum link
07:45 rsz can anyone help me get beyond this:[…]1.01-jWFeOUdR.png ?
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07:49 reiveune hello
07:49 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:49 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Saint Victoret, France is 6.9°C (8:49 AM CET on February 27, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
07:49 magnuse @wunder boo
07:49 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 27, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady).
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07:51 magnuse not lloking too bad :-)[…]ux_Port/long.html
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07:57 fridolin hie
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07:59 alex_a bonjour
07:59 wahanui hello, alex_a
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08:16 * magnuse wishes there was a universally agreed upon set of statistics that every library on the planet had to report to the government
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08:29 gaetan_B hello
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08:32 cait ashimema: around?
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09:41 ashimema am now
09:41 ashimema whad up cait
10:18 drojf you have probably seen it if relevant to you, anyway there have been a dspace security releases
10:18 drojf without the 'a'
10:28 cait ashimema: still aroundß sorry, missed you earlier
10:28 ashimema .
10:29 cait pm :)
10:32 magnuse do we still want to use "standing bugs" like bug 2500?
10:32 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2500 enhancement, P3, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED , Standing enhancement request for adding/updating call number splitting algorithms in C4/
10:32 magnuse isn't our current thinking that it is better to keep everything on separate bugs?
10:33 cait i amnot a fan, but i think we are not all of the same opinion
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10:36 Viktor magnuse: What would be the fun in the same statistics everywhere? Or even the same questions each year?
10:37 magnuse cait: ok, i'll leave it then
10:37 magnuse Viktor: true ;-)
10:46 ashimema whats a 'standing enhancement' ?
10:47 ashimema personally I far prefer using bugzilla dependancies management
10:49 cait me too
10:49 cait less confusing if bugs don't jump back to start all the time:)
10:51 ashimema yup
10:51 ashimema can we just close that one ;)
10:52 magnuse ashimema: you have my support :-)
10:52 * magnuse wanders off to have lunch
10:52 cait heh
10:53 cait magnuse: i think you brought it up, so it's up to you :)
10:53 * magnuse is having lunch
11:13 drojf are there examples of koha opacs customized for children?
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11:22 ashimema I'm sure I've seen a few.. though can't off the top of my head link to them
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11:29 tcohen morning
11:29 tcohen eythian++
11:29 ashimema morning tcohen
11:29 tcohen hi ashimema
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11:56 magnuse ah, looks like tcohen made it to france?!?
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12:21 cait drojf: ask rangi - i think they did a kids one
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12:29 cait Joubu: looks like you were busy yesterday :)
12:30 magnuse Joubu++
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12:30 drojf cait: thanks
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13:05 p_vdk_ tcohen: You should buy your tickets there :[…]01-ri2522586.html
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13:49 paul_p tcohen
13:49 wahanui tcohen is obsessed with packages' scripts
13:49 paul_p hello tcohen ;-)
13:49 paul_p fun to chat, while he is less than 1m far :D
13:51 magnuse yay
13:51 magnuse arrived in one piece?
13:55 tcohen heh
13:55 tcohen hi paul_p
13:55 tcohen hi magnuse
13:55 tcohen i arrived in one, flat single piece
13:55 paul_p magnuse I confirm he arrived safely.
13:55 paul_p he already has a ticket for the football match tonight, at the stadium ;-)
13:56 paul_p (with a friend of mine)
13:56 tcohen allez olimpique!
13:57 paul_p tcohen olympique ;-) (and we usually say "allez l'OM" (Olympique de Marseille) )
13:57 tcohen i can learn that :-D
13:57 paul_p the good point with you not speaking french is that you won't understand the all the slang an insults they throw...
13:57 * tcohen was improvising
13:58 tcohen i'll need translators
14:00 paul_p tcohen : if you hear somethinrg about "Paris" or "PSQ", then close your hears (and yes, Paris has nothing to do with this match, it's not PSG-OM. But you know, marseille is forever jealous that Paris is the capital of France, not Marseille
14:00 tcohen of course, those bastards!
14:01 magnuse hehe
14:01 paul_p bastard is really much much more light that what you'll hear ;-)
14:02 paul_p tcohen = what reiveune just said "paris, on t'encule", means "paris, we f..k you hard" ... forget it pls ;-)
14:02 tcohen hehehe
14:02 tcohen i wasn't planning on using that, don't worry
14:02 reiveune :)
14:03 * magnuse thought tcohen was going to a sports game...
14:04 tcohen heh
14:13 magnuse see y'all on monday!
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14:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #80 for job Koha_3.16.x_U14 (previous build: STILL FAILING)
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14:50 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
14:50 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
14:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.16.x_D7 build #79: FIXED in 25 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_3.16.x_D7/79/
14:50 jenkins_koha * Mason James: Revert "Bug 13431 [QA Follow-up]: Shared FastMmap file causes issues"
14:50 jenkins_koha * Mason James: Revert "Bug 13431 - Shared FastMmap file causes issues"
14:50 jenkins_koha * Mason James: Bumping version number for 3.16.8 release
14:50 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13431 critical, P5 - low, ---, abl, Pushed to Stable , Shared FastMmap file causes issues
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14:58 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.16.x_U14 build #80: NOW UNSTABLE in 30 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_3.16.x_U14/80/
14:58 jenkins_koha * Mason James: Revert "Bug 13431 [QA Follow-up]: Shared FastMmap file causes issues"
14:58 jenkins_koha * Mason James: Revert "Bug 13431 - Shared FastMmap file causes issues"
14:58 jenkins_koha * Mason James: Bumping version number for 3.16.8 release
14:58 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13431 critical, P5 - low, ---, abl, Pushed to Stable , Shared FastMmap file causes issues
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16:02 reiveune bye
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16:11 fridolin see you and for some IRL at HackFest, have a nice trip
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16:24 gaetan_B bye, see you on monday !
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16:39 cait bye, and hi from marseille next week :)
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16:54 kivilahtio2 looking for trouble
16:55 drojf in marseille? :D
16:56 kivilahtio2 yes
16:57 kivilahtio2 drojf: Thomas is sleeping... and he goes to some football game. Sounds like he wont play with me :(
16:57 drojf not fair
16:57 kivilahtio2 tell me about it
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17:22 kivilahtio2 Ok we are friends again :)
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17:40 squash Hi, I have a little issue adding barcodes for items in Koha. If I go to edit the item, the barcode is shown. When I view the record in the cataloging menu, the items don't have a barcode listed. So, I looked through the database and noticed that the barcodes column has a null value for each item, even though the barcode number is shown when I go to edit the items. If I manually add the barcodes through the database, they show up in the cataloging menu
17:41 squash and can be searched by barcode or checked out, unlike before, I was getting barcode not found
17:44 oleonard What do you mean by "view the record in the cataloging menu?"
17:46 squash one sec. trying to get screenshots.
17:51 squash oleonard:,wzl5ob2
17:52 squash the first images is the items listed when I go to edit the record and add items, and it shows the barcode.
17:52 squash the second images is when I search the catalog through the staff client for the book, the barcode column is blank. and shows (NULL) in the database.
17:54 oleonard That's very strange squash. I'm sorry, I don't know what's going on.
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18:02 drojf if i had tried reindexing before changing to dom, i'd know if i broke something now or earlier. sigh
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18:04 drojf also i'd prefer ebsco to sponsor somebody to update all that outdated wiki entries over having elasticsearch 1000 times.
18:05 kivilahtio2 drojf: I am starting to doubt the necessity of elasticsearch, until i start to work with Zebra again
18:05 kivilahtio2 it always gets me
18:06 drojf oh. well. you got a point there, because i'd not need outdated wiki entries on zebra then in the first place :D
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18:10 Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.18.4 is released! Welcome to the IRC home of Koha | Code of conduct -[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Happy Birthday carmenh| Please use for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is
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18:37 drojf it's really bad we tell people to switch to dom and there is no information on how to do that that a regular person could use in any way
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18:49 * drojf feeds the wiki to zebra and kicks zebra off a cliff
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19:33 barton before I go spelunking into ./C4/SIP/ILS, can anyone tell me about how Koha handles renewals through SIP: will it accept a renewal using the "11" check out message, or will it only accept a "29" renewal message?
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19:54 barton so, based on C4/SIP/Sip/ and, I can tell that Koha is definitely *capable* of parsing sip message type 29 (RENEW) and 65 (RENEW_ALL), but I don't know yet how it will/should respond to a check out request for an item that is already checked out to the user. Any pointers? Even a section of code to look at would be helpful.
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20:08 magnuse hiya Viktor
20:08 Viktor Hi magnuse!
20:09 drojf which was the first release with dom indexing for biblios out of the box?
20:10 drojf 3.14
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20:13 magnuse wheee!
20:14 cait wheee
20:14 drojf mööp
20:14 magnuse møøp
20:16 drojf it's møøp in norwegian :D
20:16 magnuse sure is :)
20:17 drojf i wonder why your umlauts are broken for me
20:17 drojf cait: can you say mööp please?
20:17 cait mööp?
20:17 magnuse mööp
20:17 drojf cait's are ok for me
20:17 jcamins magnuse: I think there's a problem with UTF-8 in your IRC client.
20:17 cait magnuse are broken intentionally i think
20:17 cait oh
20:17 cait or that
20:17 drojf no i have seen it before
20:17 magnuse møøp
20:18 drojf i think jcamins is right
20:18 * magnuse suspects jcamins of being right too
20:19 * magnuse uses XChat
20:19 drojf alright, i have to go to buy some chocolate and you fix magnuse's umlauts while i'm gone :)
20:20 jcamins drojf: are you going to give us some of the chocolate?
20:21 * magnuse has chocolate
20:21 magnuse norwegian milk chocolate
20:23 magnuse møøp mööp
20:23 magnuse better now?
20:23 jcamins Nope.
20:24 magnuse might have to restart
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20:25 magnuse møøp mööp
20:25 jcamins Much better!
20:25 magnuse yay
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20:28 squash netsplits are fun
20:28 magnuse so in XChat do XChat > Network List... > OFTC > Edit... then choose UTF-8 as the Character set, click "Close" twice and restart
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20:33 Viktor Any tourist advice for Marseille btw?
20:40 cait :)
20:45 barton TIL irssi sucks when it comes to diacritics.
20:46 barton [actually, I pretty well alreayd knew that]
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20:48 * barton wants a console based IRC client that groks readline and UTF8... other than that, he is satisfied with irssi
20:49 magnuse Viktor: notre dame de la garde - steep but not too long climb from the biblibre office, with a magnificent view
20:49 cait very steep
20:49 cait don't eat too much cheese before you go up there
20:49 magnuse nah, not too bad
20:49 Viktor :)
20:49 magnuse hehe
20:49 Viktor Sunds sweet
20:49 magnuse i like Le Panier, the old town
20:49 Viktor Views is always good.
20:50 Viktor Is it safe to walk about?
20:50 magnuse i have never seen anything scary in the city center
20:51 magnuse (but i have never hung around in bars half the night either)
20:51 Viktor magnuse: phew :)
20:51 cait heh
20:51 cait yeah same here
20:51 magnuse marseille *is* a violent city, but i think most of that happens in the suburbs
20:51 Viktor Yes there was some international news the other day.
20:52 magnuse oh?
20:52 Viktor There was some kind of incident with people firing automatic weapons at the police. In the suburbs
20:53 magnuse oops
20:53 magnuse yeah, someone was shot and killed the last time we were there, apparently
20:53 Viktor Also oops.
20:54 Viktor Reading up on some tourists site made me sort of reevalutate the whole "I'll just have a nice walk" a bit.
20:54 magnuse the museum called Mucem is really nice
20:54 magnuse they have a good restaurant too
20:55 Viktor To bad I'm not staying the full week.
20:55 magnuse yup :-)
20:55 magnuse next year ;-)
20:56 * drojf throws some lactose free chocolate into #koha :D
20:56 drojf yay you fixed the umlauts :)
20:57 magnuse i plan on skiving off after lunch one day, to walk in the panier and maybe eat at Mucem...
20:57 Viktor magnuse: Might very well be the case :)
20:57 magnuse møøp mööp
20:57 drojf very nice :D
20:58 magnuse Viktor: how are your umlauts doing? they are usually borken in pm
20:58 Viktor ??? looks like this. Throwing in some ? ? ???
20:59 drojf thats a lot of ?
20:59 magnuse for me too
20:59 Viktor Hm. Looks fine from here, but it's nice to be understood too...
20:59 magnuse question marks, that is
21:01 magnuse Viktor: maybe try fiddling with your settings a bit?
21:02 magnuse ooh, nso is "only" 152! how low can we get it during next week?
21:02 Viktor Is there anything to do on the client side? XChat Azure. Did a quick look in the settings but no obvious UTF-8.
21:02 Viktor I'll have a new look around.
21:02 magnuse i did this in XChat on ubuntu: XChat > Network List... > OFTC > Edit... then choose UTF-8 as the Character set, click "Close" twice and restart
21:03 drojf Viktor:
21:03 magnuse restart xchat, that is, not the whole machine
21:03 drojf i hope their docs are not as outdated as ours
21:03 magnuse that is what i used, drojf
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21:07 Viktor How about ÅÄÖ œ ç
21:07 drojf nice!
21:07 magnuse yay!
21:07 magnuse tjänare!
21:08 Viktor Müch better
21:09 drojf heh
21:09 Viktor I'll stop after this one. But I'm looking forward to the Häckfest!
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21:10 magnuse friday evening - perfect time for fixing the important things ;-)
21:10 drojf i'm the only one not going to marseille, right? :'(
21:10 magnuse yup
21:10 magnuse tcohen isn't going, he is there already :-)
21:11 cait magnuse: aah, did he give a life sign?
21:11 magnuse yup
21:11 drojf kivilahtio forced him to go out and party i think :D
21:11 magnuse he is going to a football match this evening, with a friend of paul_p, if i am not mistaken
21:12 magnuse @seen tcohen
21:12 huginn magnuse: tcohen was last seen in #koha 7 hours, 7 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <tcohen> heh
21:13 drojf @seen kivilahtio2
21:13 huginn drojf: kivilahtio2 was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 7 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <kivilahtio2> it always gets me
21:13 cait cool :)
21:15 magnuse oh Viktor: are you into architecture?
21:16 Viktor magnuse: No not really. Even if I can appreciate the thought that goes into good architecture.
21:17 magnuse was pretty awesome
21:18 Viktor The kind of thing I can't tell interested in culture that I missed for sitting in a crowded office with my computer :)
21:19 Viktor Looks quite interesting.
21:20 magnuse[…]%27Habitation#Cit.C3.A9_radieuse.2C_Marseille
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21:40 * magnuse wishes #koha a good weekend - see some of you on monday!
21:50 talljoy jcamins?
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21:52 wahanui jcamins is brilliant
21:54 talljoy nice wahanui
21:54 talljoy authorities?
21:54 wahanui authorities is
21:55 talljoy linker?
21:55 talljoy stumped you!
21:55 wahanui well, linker is entirely Zebra-based.
21:57 talljoy darn.  i didn't
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22:52 drojf i have completely rewritten the 'switching to dom indexing' wiki page
22:52 cait drojf++
22:52 drojf i am too tired now to test if i did not forget anything. so i hope i have not ;)
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22:53 cait heh
22:53 dani hello
22:53 cait hi dani
22:53 dani hi, cait and everyone can anyone answer a question I have about a calendar sys pref?
22:53 dani Here it is: in the sys pref useDaysMode what is the different between "calculate the due date using (the calendar to push the due date to the next open day) and (the calendar to skip all days the library is closed.)
22:54 dani are you in France cait?
22:54 cait not yet
22:54 cait going there by train on sunday
22:54 cait ok
22:54 cait the first uses the next open day, if the due date would fall onto a day the library is closed
22:54 cait so say... the loan period is 2 weeks
22:54 cait but the due date would fall on a monday that is a holiday
22:54 cait then the script looks at tuesday
22:55 cait tuesday is closed too... so wednesday
22:55 cait and ah, wednesday is open, so that will be the due date
22:55 cait the second option only counts days the library is open, so 2 weeks is 14 opening days... and weekends not counted
22:56 cait did this make sense?
22:56 drojf the last part was confusing to me ;)
22:57 drojf ah. now
22:57 drojf nevermind :)
22:57 cait it won't be amonday in the second case..
22:57 cait if you want it to be the second mondy... and saturday and sunday are closed... the loan period you would use is 10
22:57 cait i think
22:57 dani OK.
22:57 dani that makes sense now
22:57 dani yes
22:57 dani Thanks so much
22:57 cait we mostly use the next opening day - it seems the most fair
22:57 cait cool :)
22:58 dani would either of those prefs to not respect a holiday?
22:58 cait hm?
22:58 cait i think here is one to ignore the calendar
22:58 cait hm is that the one with the 3 options? the pref? or is that anothe rone i am thinking about?
22:59 dani yes, saw that. the library I am working was using push to the next open date, but many items ended up with a due date on that holiday
22:59 cait hm
22:59 dani you are thinking of the right one
22:59 cait did they enter the date on time?
22:59 cait i mean the holiday?
22:59 cait which version are they using?
23:01 cait ifyou entered the holiday too late... the dates would already be calculated wrong
23:01 dani I looked to see that the items were not issued before they put it on the calendar
23:01 dani 3.16.04
23:01 dani they issues book on 1/26 and report putting the holiday on the calendar before the new year
23:01 cait not aware of a bug in the current versions... but would require some testing
23:01 dani I even checked to see if patron accounts expired on that day ... nope
23:02 dani I could not replicated on 3.18
23:02 cait hm yeah good idea
23:02 cait weird
23:02 dani I bet they put the date on the calendar later than they thought?
23:02 cait it might be a possibility
23:02 cait can you reproduce it on 3.16?
23:02 cait we got a couple of unit tests on those functions i think
23:02 dani I haven't tried, trying to make sure I understood sys prefs
23:03 cait it hsould work so that the due date can't be on a holiday
23:03 cait with pushing to the next opening day
23:04 dani I don't know what a unit test is  {{{blush}}}
23:05 cait ah, it's automated tests that should check this works ok for several cases
23:05 cait they are run automatically everytime we change something int he code
23:05 cait the idea is to prevent regressions
23:06 dani agh, can I do that?
23:07 cait it should be ok
23:07 cait i was just wondering... that should not be possible
23:07 cait but there is always a chance that something was missed
23:08 cait but if it turned out you found a bug, we could write a new test for the problem - and prevent it from happening again
23:09 cait well... or someonesmarter than me could
23:09 cait :)
23:10 dani Ok.  I will keep poking around the explanation of the two sys prefs was helpful, several of us were stumped on that
23:10 cait hope you can figure it out
23:10 dani thanks cait, I will see if I can get more information and test on another 3.16 site
23:11 cait maybe looking at what kind of holiday is would be helpful for testing
23:11 cait a repeatable one or a single on
23:19 dani unique holiday
23:19 dani single
23:20 cait another possible scenario woudl be a renewal with a manual renewal date... or a specific due date...
23:20 cait but for multiple cases probably not so likely here hm.
23:20 * akafred est arrivé a Marseille.
23:20 cait hi akafred :)
23:21 cait see you sunday night then
23:21 dani yeah, I have two books checked out six minutes apart, same itype different due dates
23:21 dani neither renewed
23:22 akafred Yup! If I'm not lost in the Calanques :-)
23:22 cait hm
23:22 cait are they using the feature to shorten the due dates ith many holds?
23:22 dani one is 2/16 (holiday), one is 2/17
23:22 cait just wondering loud what settings could influence the due date
23:22 dani hm
23:22 dani let me check
23:22 cait akafred: youare aso at adonis?
23:23 cait i likedit last year, hope not all good rooms are taken once i get there :)
23:28 akafred Well ... not the most luxurious place I've stayed in ... :-)
23:29 cait well, everything is relative :)
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23:33 dani decreaseLoanHighHolds is not enabled
23:33 cait hmpf
23:40 drojf that is one splitty net today
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