Time Nick Message 01:04 pianohacker can I throw up an out-of-the-loop batsignal? My zebra is borked, and rebuilds fail with No such record type: dom./home/feoh3/l/koha/etc/zebradb/biblios/etc/dom-config-marc.xml 01:07 eythian yes, that may happen 01:07 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_Zebra#No_such_record_type 01:07 eythian I need to give that page some more polish 01:08 pianohacker *sigh* zebra errors... thank you 01:09 eythian I had the same issue a little while ago, hence writing it down 01:10 pianohacker you're mahvelous. How on earth did you figure that out? 01:11 eythian I think I googled and found someone else who had similar issues and eventually worked it out. 01:14 pianohacker eythian++ 01:49 * dcook heads off again 02:40 eythian http://www.metafilter.com/147365/Rural-poverty-and-librarian-ing-for-small-wages 05:39 * dcook thinks the person writing the serials help doesn't know the definition of biannually or bimonthly... 05:40 dcook Mind you, it's not an easy thing to talk about 05:41 dcook I just read an email talking about "two per month (ie two monthly)" 05:41 dcook That sounds like two per month... but then it sounds like it's referring to two specific issues from two different months in parentheses... 06:33 cait @wunder Konstanz 06:33 huginn cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 1.1°C (7:33 AM CET on February 27, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 06:33 cait @wunder Marseille 06:33 huginn cait: The current temperature in Saint Victoret, France is 6.6°C (7:33 AM CET on February 27, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Falling). 06:51 drojf morning #koha 06:51 * cait waves 06:53 drojf hi cait :) 06:55 cait hi drojf :) 07:19 coles hola 07:19 wahanui hey, coles 07:19 coles hi 07:19 rsz hi, I have added a book as biblio, and further added an item inside it, still when I try to place a hold, I get the errror "No available items." on opac search, 07:20 coles Anyone familiar with postfix? Want to sent notices from Koha using it. Or any suggestion how I can send notices to patron? 07:21 coles Using email of course 07:29 cait hi cole - does the item show up in opac? 07:30 cait did you set up a default circulation rule? try adding one for the default libray, default category and default itemtype (or all all all, whatever it says) 07:33 coles yep item show up in opac 07:37 * magnuse waves then dives headlong into the swedish yearly statistics 07:42 magnuse tjänare Viktor 07:42 magnuse and matts 07:42 coles already setup for the circulation rules 07:42 Viktor Godmorgon magnuse 07:44 coles anyone know how to setup postfix? use for send notices from koha. any tutorial website or forum link 07:45 rsz can anyone help me get beyond this: http://picpaste.com/Screen_Shot_2015-02-27_at_13.11.01-jWFeOUdR.png ? 07:49 reiveune hello 07:49 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:49 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Saint Victoret, France is 6.9°C (8:49 AM CET on February 27, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 07:49 magnuse @wunder boo 07:49 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 27, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady). 07:51 magnuse not lloking too bad :-) http://www.yr.no/place/France/Provence-Alpes-C%C3%B4te_d%E2%80%99Azur/Bureau_de_Poste_de_Marseille_Vieux_Port/long.html 07:57 fridolin hie 07:59 alex_a bonjour 07:59 wahanui hello, alex_a 08:16 * magnuse wishes there was a universally agreed upon set of statistics that every library on the planet had to report to the government 08:29 gaetan_B hello 08:32 cait ashimema: around? 09:41 ashimema am now 09:41 ashimema whad up cait 10:18 drojf you have probably seen it if relevant to you, anyway there have been a dspace security releases 10:18 drojf without the 'a' 10:28 cait ashimema: still aroundß sorry, missed you earlier 10:28 ashimema . 10:29 cait pm :) 10:32 magnuse do we still want to use "standing bugs" like bug 2500? 10:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2500 enhancement, P3, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED , Standing enhancement request for adding/updating call number splitting algorithms in C4/Labels.pm 10:32 magnuse isn't our current thinking that it is better to keep everything on separate bugs? 10:33 cait i amnot a fan, but i think we are not all of the same opinion 10:36 Viktor magnuse: What would be the fun in the same statistics everywhere? Or even the same questions each year? 10:37 magnuse cait: ok, i'll leave it then 10:37 magnuse Viktor: true ;-) 10:46 ashimema whats a 'standing enhancement' ? 10:47 ashimema personally I far prefer using bugzilla dependancies management 10:49 cait me too 10:49 cait less confusing if bugs don't jump back to start all the time:) 10:51 ashimema yup 10:51 ashimema can we just close that one ;) 10:52 magnuse ashimema: you have my support :-) 10:52 * magnuse wanders off to have lunch 10:52 cait heh 10:53 cait magnuse: i think you brought it up, so it's up to you :) 10:53 * magnuse is having lunch 11:13 drojf are there examples of koha opacs customized for children? 11:22 ashimema I'm sure I've seen a few.. though can't off the top of my head link to them 11:29 tcohen morning 11:29 tcohen eythian++ 11:29 ashimema morning tcohen 11:29 tcohen hi ashimema 11:56 magnuse ah, looks like tcohen made it to france?!? 12:21 cait drojf: ask rangi - i think they did a kids one 12:29 cait Joubu: looks like you were busy yesterday :) 12:30 magnuse Joubu++ 12:30 drojf cait: thanks 13:05 p_vdk_ tcohen: You should buy your tickets there : http://www.digitick.com/olympique-de-marseille-sm-caen-sport-stade-velodrome-2015-february-27-css5-om-pg101-ri2522586.html 13:49 paul_p tcohen 13:49 wahanui tcohen is obsessed with packages' scripts 13:49 paul_p hello tcohen ;-) 13:49 paul_p fun to chat, while he is less than 1m far :D 13:51 magnuse yay 13:51 magnuse arrived in one piece? 13:55 tcohen heh 13:55 tcohen hi paul_p 13:55 tcohen hi magnuse 13:55 tcohen i arrived in one, flat single piece 13:55 paul_p magnuse I confirm he arrived safely. 13:55 paul_p he already has a ticket for the football match tonight, at the stadium ;-) 13:56 paul_p (with a friend of mine) 13:56 tcohen allez olimpique! 13:57 paul_p tcohen olympique ;-) (and we usually say "allez l'OM" (Olympique de Marseille) ) 13:57 tcohen i can learn that :-D 13:57 paul_p the good point with you not speaking french is that you won't understand the all the slang an insults they throw... 13:57 * tcohen was improvising 13:58 tcohen i'll need translators 14:00 paul_p tcohen : if you hear somethinrg about "Paris" or "PSQ", then close your hears (and yes, Paris has nothing to do with this match, it's not PSG-OM. But you know, marseille is forever jealous that Paris is the capital of France, not Marseille 14:00 tcohen of course, those bastards! 14:01 magnuse hehe 14:01 paul_p bastard is really much much more light that what you'll hear ;-) 14:02 paul_p tcohen = what reiveune just said "paris, on t'encule", means "paris, we f..k you hard" ... forget it pls ;-) 14:02 tcohen hehehe 14:02 tcohen i wasn't planning on using that, don't worry 14:02 reiveune :) 14:03 * magnuse thought tcohen was going to a sports game... 14:04 tcohen heh 14:13 magnuse see y'all on monday! 14:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #80 for job Koha_3.16.x_U14 (previous build: STILL FAILING) 14:50 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed! 14:50 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 14:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.16.x_D7 build #79: FIXED in 25 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.16.x_D7/79/ 14:50 jenkins_koha * Mason James: Revert "Bug 13431 [QA Follow-up]: Shared FastMmap file causes issues" 14:50 jenkins_koha * Mason James: Revert "Bug 13431 - Shared FastMmap file causes issues" 14:50 jenkins_koha * Mason James: Bumping version number for 3.16.8 release 14:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13431 critical, P5 - low, ---, abl, Pushed to Stable , Shared FastMmap file causes issues 14:58 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.16.x_U14 build #80: NOW UNSTABLE in 30 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.16.x_U14/80/ 14:58 jenkins_koha * Mason James: Revert "Bug 13431 [QA Follow-up]: Shared FastMmap file causes issues" 14:58 jenkins_koha * Mason James: Revert "Bug 13431 - Shared FastMmap file causes issues" 14:58 jenkins_koha * Mason James: Bumping version number for 3.16.8 release 14:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13431 critical, P5 - low, ---, abl, Pushed to Stable , Shared FastMmap file causes issues 16:02 reiveune bye 16:11 fridolin see you and for some IRL at HackFest, have a nice trip 16:13 drojf [off] oclc call their german pr event "biblio-trend library conference" and try to make it sound like something independent. nice 16:17 drojf [off] i think i have said something similar last year. i'm sure i will say it again next year :D 16:24 gaetan_B bye, see you on monday ! 16:39 cait bye, and hi from marseille next week :) 16:54 kivilahtio2 looking for trouble 16:55 drojf in marseille? :D 16:56 kivilahtio2 yes 16:57 kivilahtio2 drojf: Thomas is sleeping... and he goes to some football game. Sounds like he wont play with me :( 16:57 drojf not fair 16:57 kivilahtio2 tell me about it 17:22 kivilahtio2 Ok we are friends again :) 17:40 squash Hi, I have a little issue adding barcodes for items in Koha. If I go to edit the item, the barcode is shown. When I view the record in the cataloging menu, the items don't have a barcode listed. So, I looked through the database and noticed that the barcodes column has a null value for each item, even though the barcode number is shown when I go to edit the items. If I manually add the barcodes through the database, they show up in the cataloging menu 17:41 squash and can be searched by barcode or checked out, unlike before, I was getting barcode not found 17:44 oleonard What do you mean by "view the record in the cataloging menu?" 17:46 squash one sec. trying to get screenshots. 17:51 squash oleonard: http://imgur.com/1MpKC3u,wzl5ob2 17:52 squash the first images is the items listed when I go to edit the record and add items, and it shows the barcode. 17:52 squash the second images is when I search the catalog through the staff client for the book, the barcode column is blank. and shows (NULL) in the database. 17:54 oleonard That's very strange squash. I'm sorry, I don't know what's going on. 18:02 drojf if i had tried reindexing before changing to dom, i'd know if i broke something now or earlier. sigh 18:04 drojf also i'd prefer ebsco to sponsor somebody to update all that outdated wiki entries over having elasticsearch 1000 times. 18:05 kivilahtio2 drojf: I am starting to doubt the necessity of elasticsearch, until i start to work with Zebra again 18:05 kivilahtio2 it always gets me 18:06 drojf oh. well. you got a point there, because i'd not need outdated wiki entries on zebra then in the first place :D 18:37 drojf it's really bad we tell people to switch to dom and there is no information on how to do that that a regular person could use in any way 18:49 * drojf feeds the wiki to zebra and kicks zebra off a cliff 19:33 barton before I go spelunking into ./C4/SIP/ILS, can anyone tell me about how Koha handles renewals through SIP: will it accept a renewal using the "11" check out message, or will it only accept a "29" renewal message? 19:54 barton so, based on C4/SIP/Sip/Constants.pm and MsgType.pm, I can tell that Koha is definitely *capable* of parsing sip message type 29 (RENEW) and 65 (RENEW_ALL), but I don't know yet how it will/should respond to a check out request for an item that is already checked out to the user. Any pointers? Even a section of code to look at would be helpful. 20:08 magnuse hiya Viktor 20:08 Viktor Hi magnuse! 20:09 drojf which was the first release with dom indexing for biblios out of the box? 20:10 drojf 3.14 20:13 magnuse wheee! 20:14 cait wheee 20:14 drojf mööp 20:14 magnuse møøp 20:16 drojf it's møøp in norwegian :D 20:16 magnuse sure is :) 20:17 drojf i wonder why your umlauts are broken for me 20:17 drojf cait: can you say mööp please? 20:17 cait mööp? 20:17 magnuse mööp 20:17 drojf cait's are ok for me 20:17 jcamins magnuse: I think there's a problem with UTF-8 in your IRC client. 20:17 cait magnuse are broken intentionally i think 20:17 cait oh 20:17 cait or that 20:17 drojf no i have seen it before 20:17 magnuse møøp 20:18 drojf i think jcamins is right 20:18 * magnuse suspects jcamins of being right too 20:19 * magnuse uses XChat 20:19 drojf alright, i have to go to buy some chocolate and you fix magnuse's umlauts while i'm gone :) 20:20 jcamins drojf: are you going to give us some of the chocolate? 20:21 * magnuse has chocolate 20:21 magnuse norwegian milk chocolate 20:23 magnuse møøp mööp 20:23 magnuse better now? 20:23 jcamins Nope. 20:24 magnuse might have to restart 20:25 magnuse møøp mööp 20:25 jcamins Much better! 20:25 magnuse yay 20:28 squash netsplits are fun 20:28 magnuse so in XChat do XChat > Network List... > OFTC > Edit... then choose UTF-8 as the Character set, click "Close" twice and restart 20:33 Viktor Any tourist advice for Marseille btw? 20:40 cait :) 20:45 barton TIL irssi sucks when it comes to diacritics. 20:46 barton [actually, I pretty well alreayd knew that] 20:48 * barton wants a console based IRC client that groks readline and UTF8... other than that, he is satisfied with irssi 20:49 magnuse Viktor: notre dame de la garde - steep but not too long climb from the biblibre office, with a magnificent view 20:49 cait very steep 20:49 cait don't eat too much cheese before you go up there 20:49 magnuse nah, not too bad 20:49 Viktor :) 20:49 magnuse hehe 20:49 Viktor Sunds sweet 20:49 magnuse i like Le Panier, the old town 20:49 Viktor Views is always good. 20:50 Viktor Is it safe to walk about? 20:50 magnuse i have never seen anything scary in the city center 20:51 magnuse (but i have never hung around in bars half the night either) 20:51 Viktor magnuse: phew :) 20:51 cait heh 20:51 cait yeah same here 20:51 magnuse marseille *is* a violent city, but i think most of that happens in the suburbs 20:51 Viktor Yes there was some international news the other day. 20:52 magnuse oh? 20:52 Viktor There was some kind of incident with people firing automatic weapons at the police. In the suburbs 20:53 magnuse oops 20:53 magnuse yeah, someone was shot and killed the last time we were there, apparently 20:53 Viktor Also oops. 20:54 Viktor Reading up on some tourists site made me sort of reevalutate the whole "I'll just have a nice walk" a bit. 20:54 magnuse the museum called Mucem is really nice 20:54 magnuse they have a good restaurant too 20:55 Viktor To bad I'm not staying the full week. 20:55 magnuse yup :-) 20:55 magnuse next year ;-) 20:56 * drojf throws some lactose free chocolate into #koha :D 20:56 drojf yay you fixed the umlauts :) 20:57 magnuse i plan on skiving off after lunch one day, to walk in the panier and maybe eat at Mucem... 20:57 Viktor magnuse: Might very well be the case :) 20:57 magnuse møøp mööp 20:57 drojf very nice :D 20:58 magnuse Viktor: how are your umlauts doing? they are usually borken in pm 20:58 Viktor ??? looks like this. Throwing in some ? ? ??? 20:59 drojf thats a lot of ? 20:59 magnuse for me too 20:59 Viktor Hm. Looks fine from here, but it's nice to be understood too... 20:59 magnuse question marks, that is 21:01 magnuse Viktor: maybe try fiddling with your settings a bit? 21:02 magnuse ooh, nso is "only" 152! how low can we get it during next week? 21:02 Viktor Is there anything to do on the client side? XChat Azure. Did a quick look in the settings but no obvious UTF-8. 21:02 Viktor I'll have a new look around. 21:02 magnuse i did this in XChat on ubuntu: XChat > Network List... > OFTC > Edit... then choose UTF-8 as the Character set, click "Close" twice and restart 21:03 drojf Viktor: http://xchat.org/encoding/ 21:03 magnuse restart xchat, that is, not the whole machine 21:03 drojf i hope their docs are not as outdated as ours 21:03 magnuse that is what i used, drojf 21:07 Viktor How about ÅÄÖ œ ç 21:07 drojf nice! 21:07 magnuse yay! 21:07 magnuse tjänare! 21:08 Viktor Müch better 21:09 drojf heh 21:09 Viktor I'll stop after this one. But I'm looking forward to the Häckfest! 21:10 magnuse friday evening - perfect time for fixing the important things ;-) 21:10 drojf i'm the only one not going to marseille, right? :'( 21:10 magnuse yup 21:10 magnuse tcohen isn't going, he is there already :-) 21:11 cait magnuse: aah, did he give a life sign? 21:11 magnuse yup 21:11 drojf kivilahtio forced him to go out and party i think :D 21:11 magnuse he is going to a football match this evening, with a friend of paul_p, if i am not mistaken 21:12 magnuse @seen tcohen 21:12 huginn magnuse: tcohen was last seen in #koha 7 hours, 7 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <tcohen> heh 21:13 drojf @seen kivilahtio2 21:13 huginn drojf: kivilahtio2 was last seen in #koha 3 hours, 7 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <kivilahtio2> it always gets me 21:13 cait cool :) 21:15 magnuse oh Viktor: are you into architecture? 21:16 Viktor magnuse: No not really. Even if I can appreciate the thought that goes into good architecture. 21:17 magnuse http://www.marseille-citeradieuse.org/ was pretty awesome 21:18 Viktor The kind of thing I can't tell interested in culture that I missed for sitting in a crowded office with my computer :) 21:19 Viktor Looks quite interesting. 21:20 magnuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit%C3%A9_d%27Habitation#Cit.C3.A9_radieuse.2C_Marseille 21:40 * magnuse wishes #koha a good weekend - see some of you on monday! 21:50 talljoy jcamins? 21:52 wahanui jcamins is brilliant 21:54 talljoy nice wahanui 21:54 talljoy authorities? 21:54 wahanui authorities is http://www.loc.gov/marc/uma/index.html 21:55 talljoy linker? 21:55 talljoy stumped you! 21:55 wahanui well, linker is entirely Zebra-based. 21:57 talljoy darn. i didn't 22:52 drojf i have completely rewritten the 'switching to dom indexing' wiki page 22:52 cait drojf++ 22:52 drojf i am too tired now to test if i did not forget anything. so i hope i have not ;) 22:53 cait heh 22:53 dani hello 22:53 cait hi dani 22:53 dani hi, cait and everyone can anyone answer a question I have about a calendar sys pref? 22:53 dani Here it is: in the sys pref useDaysMode what is the different between "calculate the due date using (the calendar to push the due date to the next open day) and (the calendar to skip all days the library is closed.) 22:54 dani are you in France cait? 22:54 cait not yet 22:54 cait going there by train on sunday 22:54 cait ok 22:54 cait the first uses the next open day, if the due date would fall onto a day the library is closed 22:54 cait so say... the loan period is 2 weeks 22:54 cait but the due date would fall on a monday that is a holiday 22:54 cait then the script looks at tuesday 22:55 cait tuesday is closed too... so wednesday 22:55 cait and ah, wednesday is open, so that will be the due date 22:55 cait the second option only counts days the library is open, so 2 weeks is 14 opening days... and weekends not counted 22:56 cait did this make sense? 22:56 drojf the last part was confusing to me ;) 22:57 drojf ah. now 22:57 drojf nevermind :) 22:57 cait it won't be amonday in the second case.. 22:57 cait if you want it to be the second mondy... and saturday and sunday are closed... the loan period you would use is 10 22:57 cait i think 22:57 dani OK. 22:57 dani that makes sense now 22:57 dani yes 22:57 dani Thanks so much 22:57 cait we mostly use the next opening day - it seems the most fair 22:57 cait cool :) 22:58 dani would either of those prefs to not respect a holiday? 22:58 cait hm? 22:58 cait i think here is one to ignore the calendar 22:58 cait hm is that the one with the 3 options? the pref? or is that anothe rone i am thinking about? 22:59 dani yes, saw that. the library I am working was using push to the next open date, but many items ended up with a due date on that holiday 22:59 cait hm 22:59 dani you are thinking of the right one 22:59 cait did they enter the date on time? 22:59 cait i mean the holiday? 22:59 cait which version are they using? 23:01 cait ifyou entered the holiday too late... the dates would already be calculated wrong 23:01 dani I looked to see that the items were not issued before they put it on the calendar 23:01 dani 3.16.04 23:01 dani they issues book on 1/26 and report putting the holiday on the calendar before the new year 23:01 cait not aware of a bug in the current versions... but would require some testing 23:01 dani I even checked to see if patron accounts expired on that day ... nope 23:02 dani I could not replicated on 3.18 23:02 cait hm yeah good idea 23:02 cait weird 23:02 dani I bet they put the date on the calendar later than they thought? 23:02 cait it might be a possibility 23:02 cait can you reproduce it on 3.16? 23:02 cait we got a couple of unit tests on those functions i think 23:02 dani I haven't tried, trying to make sure I understood sys prefs 23:03 cait it hsould work so that the due date can't be on a holiday 23:03 cait with pushing to the next opening day 23:04 dani I don't know what a unit test is {{{blush}}} 23:05 cait ah, it's automated tests that should check this works ok for several cases 23:05 cait they are run automatically everytime we change something int he code 23:05 cait the idea is to prevent regressions 23:06 dani agh, can I do that? 23:07 cait it should be ok 23:07 cait i was just wondering... that should not be possible 23:07 cait but there is always a chance that something was missed 23:08 cait but if it turned out you found a bug, we could write a new test for the problem - and prevent it from happening again 23:09 cait well... or someonesmarter than me could 23:09 cait :) 23:10 dani Ok. I will keep poking around the explanation of the two sys prefs was helpful, several of us were stumped on that 23:10 cait hope you can figure it out 23:10 dani thanks cait, I will see if I can get more information and test on another 3.16 site 23:11 cait maybe looking at what kind of holiday is would be helpful for testing 23:11 cait a repeatable one or a single on 23:19 dani unique holiday 23:19 dani single 23:20 cait another possible scenario woudl be a renewal with a manual renewal date... or a specific due date... 23:20 cait but for multiple cases probably not so likely here hm. 23:20 * akafred est arrivé a Marseille. 23:20 cait hi akafred :) 23:21 cait see you sunday night then 23:21 dani yeah, I have two books checked out six minutes apart, same itype different due dates 23:21 dani neither renewed 23:22 akafred Yup! If I'm not lost in the Calanques :-) 23:22 cait hm 23:22 cait are they using the feature to shorten the due dates ith many holds? 23:22 dani one is 2/16 (holiday), one is 2/17 23:22 cait just wondering loud what settings could influence the due date 23:22 dani hm 23:22 dani let me check 23:22 cait akafred: youare aso at adonis? 23:23 cait i likedit last year, hope not all good rooms are taken once i get there :) 23:28 akafred Well ... not the most luxurious place I've stayed in ... :-) 23:29 cait well, everything is relative :) 23:33 dani decreaseLoanHighHolds is not enabled 23:33 cait hmpf 23:40 drojf that is one splitty net today 23:45 drojf [off] i should draw a map of the ways i take when i try to do something. i remember i was going to test a patch. then one thing after the other happened, i did the dom stuff for hours and now i found the open browser tab. lol