| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:00 |
|
jcamins |
eythian: do we like Rabobank? |
| 00:00 |
|
jcamins |
Never mind. |
| 00:00 |
|
wahanui |
Good, I'm glad you figured it out. I didn't understand, and probably never will, being a bot. |
| 00:01 |
|
jcamins |
There is a Rabobank branch in New York, but they don't offer service in the US outside of California. |
| 00:01 |
|
jcamins |
They also apparently only do agriculture. |
| 00:02 |
|
rangi |
jcamins: they are a bank .. it's pretty hard to like banks |
| 00:03 |
|
jcamins |
rangi: yeah, I know. I have yet to meet one that I like. Which is why I was so excited by the thought that eythian had found one he liked. |
| 00:03 |
|
rangi |
yeah |
| 00:04 |
|
eythian |
I've never used them, except getting spam claiming to be from them. |
| 00:04 |
|
jcamins |
eythian: oh. |
| 00:12 |
|
dcook |
I wonder what a Rabobank scanner would be.. |
| 00:12 |
|
dcook |
Maybe they meant your Rabobank scammer |
| 00:12 |
|
dcook |
They've been found and are now ready for use |
| 00:14 |
|
jcamins |
dcook: for checks. |
| 00:15 |
|
eythian |
nobody uses checks |
| 00:15 |
|
eythian |
or even calls them that |
| 00:16 |
|
* dcook |
can't remember the last time he used a cheque |
| 00:16 |
|
dcook |
I wanted to make a joke about checks and balances... |
| 00:16 |
|
dcook |
But I think I was thinking of scales.. |
| 00:16 |
|
rangi |
i dont think ive owned a chequebook in at least 10 years |
| 00:16 |
|
dcook |
yeah, it must be around the 10 year mark |
| 00:17 |
|
dcook |
I think I needed some maybe 8-9 years ago for a very specific purpose.. |
| 00:17 |
|
dcook |
Oh, rent |
| 00:17 |
|
rangi |
i wonder what other countries still use them, i know the US still uses them quite a bit |
| 00:17 |
|
dcook |
I used cheques to pay rent in... 2007-2009, I think |
| 00:17 |
|
dcook |
No, 2007-2010. Wow.. |
| 00:17 |
|
dcook |
I think Canada still allows them but they're pretty uncommon |
| 00:17 |
|
rangi |
they are still allowed here |
| 00:18 |
|
dcook |
I got a cheque from the ATO when I gave them the wrong bank details :p |
| 00:18 |
|
jcamins |
rangi: we use them a lot, that's for sure. |
| 00:18 |
|
rangi |
i think last one was a bank cheque, for the house deposit |
| 00:18 |
|
eythian |
I used to pay my power bill with one, in about 2000, as I didn't have reliable internet at my flat |
| 00:19 |
|
rangi |
that would have been hmm 2004 ish |
| 00:19 |
|
rangi |
i have a bank of america chequebook somewhere |
| 00:19 |
|
rangi |
they give accounts to everybody |
| 00:19 |
|
rangi |
i just walked into a branch in california, and got a bank account |
| 00:20 |
|
eythian |
...and a rifle? :) |
| 00:20 |
|
rangi |
probably why they needed to be bailed out |
| 00:20 |
|
rangi |
heh, thats only in colorado |
| 00:20 |
|
rangi |
i forget what bank that was, and knowing michael moore was a set up anyway. he makes good points, but then ruins them by making shit up also |
| 00:21 |
|
jcamins |
rangi: you'd think that taking everyone's money would have reduced the need for bailing the banks out. |
| 00:21 |
|
rangi |
you'd think :) |
| 00:21 |
|
rangi |
they did give me an overdraft too |
| 00:21 |
|
dcook |
rangi: " he makes good points, but then ruins them by making shit up also" so much that |
| 00:22 |
|
dcook |
I think it was "Sicko" that sickened me the most... |
| 00:22 |
|
jcamins |
rangi: I feel like as a USian I should've been offered overdraft when setting up an account in 2004. |
| 00:22 |
|
dcook |
Lots of made up shit |
| 00:22 |
|
dcook |
Lots of true stuff too of course.. |
| 00:23 |
|
jcamins |
I mean, if any dude with a nice accent can walk into a bank and get an overdraft, doesn't my seemingly-Canadian accent count? |
| 00:23 |
|
rangi |
jcamins: i thought they were giving away mortgages still at that point |
| 00:23 |
|
jcamins |
They were. I probably could've gotten a mortgage had I asked. |
| 00:23 |
|
rangi |
here you have a 1% deposit .. and no way of paying it back, have a 200k mortgag |
| 00:23 |
|
rangi |
e |
| 00:23 |
|
rangi |
yeah |
| 00:24 |
|
jcamins |
Not that I would have used overdraft, but I've always wondered why everyone treats it as commonplace, when I've never been given the option of getting it. |
| 00:29 |
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| 00:47 |
|
dcook |
Man... a 200k mortgage... that'd be all right.. |
| 00:47 |
|
* dcook |
figures he'll end his life in a cardboard box |
| 00:47 |
|
dcook |
Wait, that came out wrong |
| 00:49 |
|
eythian |
heh |
| 00:51 |
|
rangi |
there are still lots of places you can get a big house for 200k in nz . .. just no one wants to live there |
| 00:52 |
|
rangi |
http://www.realestate.co.nz/2471894 <-- my grandparents old house |
| 00:53 |
|
jcamins |
rangi: there are lots of places in the US you can get a big house for less than half that. |
| 00:53 |
|
jcamins |
Not near me, though. |
| 00:54 |
|
rangi |
yeah you can buy all of detroit for like 20 cents or something |
| 00:54 |
|
jcamins |
lol |
| 00:55 |
|
dcook |
I thought detroit was on the upswing these days |
| 00:55 |
|
rangi |
ok 40cents then |
| 00:55 |
|
* dcook |
recalls when a fellow library worker was planning to buy a house for 20 cents |
| 00:55 |
|
jcamins |
True, but there are even places where you can have a green lawn instead of a gray one. |
| 00:55 |
|
dcook |
rangi: So why don't people want to live in your grandparent's old house? |
| 00:56 |
|
dcook |
grandparents'* |
| 00:56 |
|
rangi |
its in whanganui |
| 00:56 |
|
dcook |
I don't know where that is, but I suppose somewhere less desirable |
| 00:56 |
|
dcook |
For some reason I read "nz" as "wellington" |
| 00:56 |
|
jcamins |
Oh, yeah, whanagnui. Too much sun and not enough snow. |
| 00:56 |
|
rangi |
it;s fine, but there arent many jobs there |
| 00:57 |
|
dcook |
Yeah, that's the thing :/ |
| 00:57 |
|
dcook |
I wouldn't mind living in heaps of places probably... so long as there was work I wanted there |
| 00:57 |
|
rangi |
i lived there from age 8 to 17 |
| 00:57 |
|
rangi |
good place for kids |
| 00:57 |
|
dcook |
I mean... I originally come from a village of 200 people. |
| 00:57 |
|
dcook |
Yeah? |
| 00:57 |
|
rangi |
but no university |
| 00:57 |
|
dcook |
Admittedly, I was glad when I left my 500 person town at 18.. |
| 00:57 |
|
rangi |
the council in the 50s voted against it |
| 00:57 |
|
rangi |
and it went to palmerston north instead |
| 00:58 |
|
dcook |
Voted against a university? Weird.. |
| 00:58 |
|
rangi |
which is 1.5 hours car ride away |
| 00:58 |
|
rangi |
yeah, people are mental |
| 00:58 |
|
jcamins |
Isn't Palmerston North a Koha library? |
| 00:58 |
|
dcook |
:/ |
| 00:58 |
|
dcook |
My parents live 30 minutes from the university I graduated from... and I figured that was too far :p |
| 00:58 |
|
rangi |
there's a theosophical society in palmy that is |
| 00:58 |
|
dcook |
I also didn't want to live with my parents, because I was silly |
| 00:58 |
|
jcamins |
That must be what I was thinking of. |
| 00:58 |
|
rangi |
but not the public or uni |
| 00:59 |
|
rangi |
maybe the polytech there soon tho |
| 00:59 |
|
rangi |
(college in us speak) |
| 01:10 |
|
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| 01:35 |
|
* eythian |
steals content from dcook's email to make this bug report. |
| 01:38 |
|
dcook |
\o/ |
| 01:38 |
|
dcook |
I think that should probably be enough info |
| 01:38 |
|
eythian |
yeah |
| 01:38 |
|
dcook |
Sort of a big deal when it comes to ICU |
| 01:38 |
|
dcook |
Which I imagine must be used a fair bit... |
| 01:38 |
|
* eythian |
wonders if the severity should be 'important' or 'normal' |
| 01:39 |
|
* dcook |
wonders that too |
| 01:39 |
|
eythian |
Probably can't really justify important: "a bug which has a major effect on the usability of a package, without rendering it completely unusable to everyone." |
| 01:39 |
|
eythian |
vs: "a bug that does not undermine the usability of the whole package; for example, a problem with a particular option or menu item." |
| 01:40 |
|
dcook |
Mmm |
| 01:40 |
|
dcook |
Totally the latter |
| 01:40 |
|
eythian |
I think it's realistically more the latter |
| 01:41 |
|
dcook |
When is Jessie being released? |
| 01:41 |
|
dcook |
I'm never sure :S |
| 01:41 |
|
dcook |
or rather, I'm never sure of its status |
| 01:43 |
|
eythian |
when it's ready |
| 01:43 |
|
eythian |
I don't think there's a date set, just when they get all the release critical bugs out |
| 01:44 |
|
dcook |
Mmm |
| 01:46 |
|
dcook |
Yikes, looks like they have a few to do... |
| 01:46 |
|
eythian |
RC1 is out now, and the flow of updates is slowing down |
| 01:46 |
|
dcook |
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bi[…]rt.cgi?bug=776910 |
| 01:46 |
|
eythian |
https://release.debian.org/jes[…]reeze_policy.html <-- yeah, an update to zebra so isn't getting in |
| 01:48 |
|
dcook |
Yeah, I was just reading through bits of that |
| 01:49 |
|
dcook |
So might that mean using the Indexdata apt repository? Or referring people to it if they're using ICU and Jessie/Vivid? |
| 01:50 |
|
* dcook |
figures he's probably in the wrong timezone for OpenSuse folks.. |
| 01:50 |
|
eythian |
it might, yeah |
| 01:50 |
|
dcook |
I'm curious about the facet problems that people are encountering too |
| 01:50 |
|
dcook |
Actually, I might take a look at that right now as I have a system with 2.0.59.. |
| 01:51 |
|
eythian |
I'd need to have a whole new section of the repo to handle zebra, and I really, really don't want to do that. |
| 01:51 |
|
dcook |
Yeah, I imagine that wouldn't be too fun |
| 01:52 |
|
dcook |
I"m having no problem with facets on 2.0.59... |
| 01:53 |
|
dcook |
Now when was I talking about that with cait.. |
| 01:54 |
|
eythian |
IRC should be logged into elasticsearch to make searching easier. |
| 01:54 |
|
dcook |
:D |
| 01:54 |
|
dcook |
Does it even have a search function now? |
| 01:54 |
|
eythian |
what? |
| 01:54 |
|
dcook |
Huh.. looks like |
| 01:54 |
|
eythian |
oh |
| 01:54 |
|
eythian |
yeah can google it |
| 01:54 |
|
* dcook |
always just googles for it |
| 01:57 |
|
eythian |
damnit, that bug didn't send because exim wasn't configured on my dev vm |
| 01:57 |
|
eythian |
oh, but the bounce has the content, so that's OK |
| 01:58 |
|
dcook |
:D |
| 02:09 |
|
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| 02:27 |
|
eythian |
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bi[…]rt.cgi?bug=777515 <-- dcook |
| 02:29 |
|
dcook |
Cool beans |
| 02:29 |
|
dcook |
eythian++ |
| 02:29 |
|
dcook |
You're a champion |
| 02:38 |
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| 02:38 |
|
wizzyrea |
someone needs to make a gandalf meme about debian |
| 02:38 |
|
wizzyrea |
"Debian is never late or early. Debian arrives precisely when it means to." |
| 02:39 |
|
dcook |
lol |
| 02:39 |
|
dcook |
debian? |
| 02:39 |
|
wahanui |
well, debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that |
| 02:39 |
|
dcook |
debian? |
| 02:39 |
|
wahanui |
rumour has it debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that |
| 02:39 |
|
dcook |
debian is also Debian is never late or early. Debian arrives precisely when it means to. |
| 02:39 |
|
wahanui |
okay, dcook. |
| 02:39 |
|
dcook |
debian ? |
| 02:39 |
|
wahanui |
hmmm... debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that |
| 02:39 |
|
dcook |
debian ? |
| 02:39 |
|
wahanui |
i guess debian is Debian is never late or early. Debian arrives precisely when it means to. |
| 02:39 |
|
dcook |
Damn.. |
| 02:40 |
|
dcook |
should've saw that coming |
| 02:40 |
|
dcook |
eythian: Any ideas on how to make wahanui selectively forget things? |
| 02:40 |
|
wizzyrea |
http://memegenerator.net/instance/58966371 |
| 02:40 |
|
eythian |
dcook: why? that's half the fun :) |
| 02:40 |
|
dcook |
hehe, wizzyrea |
| 02:41 |
|
eythian |
wizzyrea: that's the wrong gandalf |
| 02:41 |
|
wizzyrea |
true. |
| 02:41 |
|
wizzyrea |
it should be a grey one. |
| 02:41 |
|
wizzyrea |
but I didn't want confused gandalf. |
| 02:41 |
|
wizzyrea |
or maybe that's more apt. |
| 02:42 |
|
wizzyrea |
http://memegenerator.net/instance/58966432 |
| 02:42 |
|
wizzyrea |
I suppose there are people who run debian on apple hardware. |
| 02:42 |
|
dcook |
Also good :) |
| 02:43 |
|
dcook |
Heaps probably |
| 02:43 |
|
wizzyrea |
let's just pretend, for fun, that gandalf, if he were a real wizard, that he'd do that. |
| 02:43 |
|
dcook |
It seems like so many photos I see of people programming are of people on Apple laptops |
| 02:43 |
|
wizzyrea |
no manky old osx for gandalf no sir-ee |
| 02:43 |
|
dcook |
What do you mean "real" wizard? |
| 02:44 |
|
wizzyrea |
oh right gandalf is real. |
| 02:44 |
|
dcook |
I'm sure he's around somewhere |
| 02:44 |
|
dcook |
Probably chilling out with a pipe |
| 02:44 |
|
wizzyrea |
pretty sure I saw him out in miramar once. |
| 02:45 |
|
dcook |
I figure having a huge white/grey beard must be the ultimate disguise |
| 02:45 |
|
dcook |
I mean... cartoon characters have been proving this for years |
| 02:45 |
|
dcook |
But really |
| 02:45 |
|
dcook |
They all look the same |
| 02:45 |
|
* dcook |
is looking forward to white/grey hair |
| 02:46 |
|
* wizzyrea |
is not |
| 02:46 |
|
wizzyrea |
but then again, I don't have the genes for grey hair. |
| 02:46 |
|
dcook |
Genes for grey hair? |
| 02:47 |
|
dcook |
Actually, I don't know what colour hair I currently have |
| 02:47 |
|
dcook |
Sometimes it looks dark blond, or grey, or brown |
| 02:47 |
|
* eythian |
recommends a mirror occasionaly |
| 02:47 |
|
dcook |
Flecks of red or white from time to time |
| 02:47 |
|
dcook |
eythian: Oh, I look in the mirror, but it depends on the light :S |
| 02:47 |
|
eythian |
just so you don't get surprised if you see yourself on a window or something, |
| 02:48 |
|
eythian |
*in |
| 02:49 |
|
wizzyrea |
https://thenewsconduit.files.w[…]1/02_rtr1wcmp.jpg |
| 02:53 |
|
dcook |
eythian: Well, I think I know how I look mostly overall. |
| 02:53 |
|
dcook |
wizzyrea: That was life back in Canada |
| 02:53 |
|
wizzyrea |
except your lips were actually stuck to the glass. |
| 02:53 |
|
dcook |
Only if the heating is turned off |
| 02:54 |
|
wizzyrea |
hehe |
| 02:54 |
|
dcook |
I've never actually stuck anything to anything frozen |
| 02:54 |
|
dcook |
I could feel skin starting to adhere, and went "nope, nope, nope" |
| 02:54 |
|
dcook |
Honestly, who thinks telling someone "Don't lick that cold piece of metal" is actually going to stop them? |
| 02:54 |
|
* dcook |
was just more cautious than the other stupid kids :p |
| 02:55 |
|
dcook |
Well, not stupid... |
| 02:57 |
|
eythian |
heh yeah |
| 02:58 |
|
eythian |
but I know nothing about internal party politics there. |
| 03:08 |
|
eythian |
dcook: regarding that autotruncation thing from last week: |
| 03:08 |
|
eythian |
> we can't identify any instances where auto-truncate was actually doing anything - even disabled, searches still resolve correctly. Are there actually situations where auto-truncate will return results that queryfuzzy would not? |
| 03:08 |
|
eythian |
> (for example, we expected a search term like 'tra', which matches no items in our catalogue, would only return results with auto-truncate on, but with that disabled we're still getting truncated results.) |
| 03:09 |
|
eythian |
which is correct, 'tra' returns things about training etc. |
| 03:09 |
|
eythian |
any ideas? |
| 03:09 |
|
wahanui |
any ideas are welcome :) |
| 03:11 |
|
dcook |
Hmm |
| 03:12 |
|
dcook |
I don't think fuzzy would impact that |
| 03:13 |
|
eythian |
nevertheless, it seems that zebra is doing something truncaty on its own perhaps\ |
| 03:13 |
|
dcook |
Well...that gives me an idea |
| 03:13 |
|
dcook |
Just give me a sec |
| 03:14 |
|
dcook |
I don't know why I never thought of that before.. |
| 03:14 |
|
eythian |
telling zebra to do right truncation itself? |
| 03:14 |
|
dcook |
Hmm? |
| 03:14 |
|
dcook |
I have a tip for you if you're able to use yaz-client |
| 03:14 |
|
dcook |
In this situation |
| 03:14 |
|
dcook |
"format xml" |
| 03:14 |
|
dcook |
"elements zebra::snippet" |
| 03:15 |
|
dcook |
It'll show you the index/indexed value used to determine the hit :) |
| 03:15 |
|
dcook |
So I did a search for "e" |
| 03:15 |
|
dcook |
And here is my first result: |
| 03:15 |
|
pastebot |
"dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "zebra::snippet" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/404 |
| 03:16 |
|
eythian |
where is your actual search in that? |
| 03:16 |
|
dcook |
find e |
| 03:16 |
|
dcook |
It was above the cut, sorry |
| 03:16 |
|
eythian |
ah k |
| 03:16 |
|
eythian |
Search was a bloomin' failure. |
| 03:16 |
|
eythian |
[109] Database unavailable -- v2 addinfo 'Default' |
| 03:16 |
|
eythian |
oh |
| 03:16 |
|
eythian |
hmm |
| 03:17 |
|
dcook |
"base biblios" |
| 03:17 |
|
eythian |
yaz-client talks on the socket, right? |
| 03:17 |
|
eythian |
oh |
| 03:17 |
|
dcook |
Sorry, I should've done from start to finish on this one |
| 03:17 |
|
eythian |
that's better |
| 03:17 |
|
dcook |
You might still get an error if your zebra conf isn't set up right |
| 03:17 |
|
eythian |
[25] Specified element set name not valid for specified database -- v2 addinfo 'zebra::snippet' |
| 03:17 |
|
dcook |
But it sounds like it was all right? |
| 03:17 |
|
dcook |
Ah, k |
| 03:17 |
|
dcook |
I can help with that too :) |
| 03:18 |
|
dcook |
You're using DOM? |
| 03:18 |
|
eythian |
uhm |
| 03:18 |
|
eythian |
I think so |
| 03:18 |
|
dcook |
Can you show me your contents of "retrieval-info-bib-dom.xml"? |
| 03:19 |
|
pastebot |
"eythian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "./zebradb/retrieval-info-bib-dom.xml" (22 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/405 |
| 03:19 |
|
dcook |
Cool, that's what I thought. |
| 03:19 |
|
dcook |
I'll paste the changed version |
| 03:20 |
|
pastebot |
"dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "zebra conf for zebra::*" (23 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/406 |
| 03:20 |
|
dcook |
I think newer versions of Koha have that |
| 03:20 |
|
eythian |
just that xml line? |
| 03:20 |
|
dcook |
Yep |
| 03:21 |
|
dcook |
In git, we have "<retrieval syntax="xml" name="zebra::*"/>" as well, but it's unnecessary |
| 03:21 |
|
dcook |
Once you add that, restart Zebra, and then try the search again |
| 03:21 |
|
dcook |
And it should work |
| 03:21 |
|
dcook |
Just make sure you add that line where I put it |
| 03:21 |
|
dcook |
If you put it lower than the other "xml" elements, it won't work right |
| 03:21 |
|
dcook |
The nameless element has to be before named ones |
| 03:22 |
|
dcook |
(I can't remember how much experimenting that took to learn... way too much :P) |
| 03:22 |
|
eythian |
Diagnostic message(s) from database: |
| 03:22 |
|
eythian |
[25] Specified element set name not valid for specified database -- v2 addinfo 'zebra::snippet' |
| 03:22 |
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dcook |
And you've restarted the zebra server? |
| 03:23 |
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eythian |
yeah |
| 03:23 |
|
dcook |
Well, exited out of yaz-client, restarted the zebra server, and gone back into yaz-client? |
| 03:23 |
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dcook |
and you did "format xml"? |
| 03:23 |
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eythian |
yep |
| 03:23 |
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dcook |
That's quite odd then |
| 03:24 |
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eythian |
your paste 406 doesn't have the zebra:: bits |
| 03:24 |
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dcook |
Yeah, it shouldn't need them |
| 03:24 |
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dcook |
You can try that though |
| 03:24 |
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eythian |
where do they go? |
| 03:24 |
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eythian |
and what do they look like? |
| 03:25 |
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dcook |
<retrieval syntax="xml" name="zebra::*"/> |
| 03:25 |
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dcook |
As the last element after <retrieval syntax="xml" name="marcxml" |
| 03:25 |
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dcook |
identifier="info:srw/schema/1/marcxml-v1.1"/> |
| 03:25 |
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eythian |
k |
| 03:25 |
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dcook |
Hmm, maybe you do need that bit after all.. |
| 03:25 |
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eythian |
yeah |
| 03:26 |
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eythian |
that did something |
| 03:26 |
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dcook |
Weird, I would've sworn it didn't. Oh well. That's cool :). Lesson learned :D |
| 03:26 |
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dcook |
Is that helping? |
| 03:27 |
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eythian |
well, I don't know what I'm looking for |
| 03:27 |
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dcook |
When I try "tra" I'm getting callnumbers that match |
| 03:27 |
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eythian |
I just get the record |
| 03:27 |
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dcook |
Can you paste in the result of "list_all"? |
| 03:27 |
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pastebot |
"eythian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "list_all" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/407 |
| 03:28 |
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dcook |
Ah, you need to set your elements |
| 03:28 |
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dcook |
Those haven't been set yet |
| 03:28 |
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eythian |
oh |
| 03:28 |
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eythian |
yeah, I realised that just after I pasted that :) |
| 03:28 |
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dcook |
:) |
| 03:28 |
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eythian |
[25] Specified element set name not valid for specified database -- v2 addinfo 'zebra::snippet' |
| 03:28 |
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eythian |
:/ |
| 03:28 |
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dcook |
:/ |
| 03:29 |
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dcook |
Ahh, I wonder if you are using DOM... |
| 03:29 |
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dcook |
Can you check your koha-conf.xml? |
| 03:29 |
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dcook |
That would explain that one |
| 03:29 |
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eythian |
<config>/etc/koha/sites/msd/zebra-biblios-dom.cfg</config> |
| 03:30 |
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dcook |
Can y ou look a few elements lower from that one? |
| 03:30 |
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dcook |
Is there a "<xi:include>"? |
| 03:30 |
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eythian |
<xi:include href="/etc/koha/marc21-retrieval-info-bib-dom.xml" |
| 03:30 |
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dcook |
Hmm, ahh |
| 03:30 |
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dcook |
That would be the file to use |
| 03:30 |
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dcook |
I had you editing the wrong one |
| 03:30 |
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eythian |
oh |
| 03:30 |
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dcook |
Mine is "/home/dcook/koha-dev/etc/zebradb/retrieval-info-bib-dom.xml" |
| 03:31 |
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dcook |
Yours is gitified, I guess? |
| 03:31 |
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eythian |
no, package |
| 03:31 |
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dcook |
Ah, that would do it |
| 03:31 |
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dcook |
Well, if you change that file to include those <retrieval> elements from before |
| 03:31 |
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dcook |
Then restart zebra, then go back into yaz-client, haha |
| 03:31 |
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dcook |
Then it should work :) |
| 03:31 |
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eythian |
cool :) |
| 03:31 |
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dcook |
:D |
| 03:33 |
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eythian |
ok, that works |
| 03:33 |
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eythian |
hah |
| 03:33 |
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eythian |
the results are actually from the call numbers |
| 03:34 |
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dcook |
Thought that might be it :) |
| 03:35 |
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dcook |
I just learned about "zebra::snippet" last week actually, but it looks pretty handy |
| 03:36 |
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dcook |
Yay! |
| 03:36 |
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* dcook |
likes being helpful |
| 03:36 |
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* eythian |
puts this in the wiki |
| 03:36 |
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dcook |
Excellent idea |
| 03:37 |
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dcook |
Share the link? |
| 03:37 |
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eythian |
no, I'm going to put it in the wiki and then keep it private! |
| 03:37 |
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dcook |
hehe |
| 03:37 |
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dcook |
"They'll never find it! Muahahah!" |
| 03:38 |
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dcook |
I should probably share more about Zebra... |
| 03:39 |
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dcook |
The problem with learning things and not writing them down... you don't remember what you've learned in an easy to explain way |
| 03:39 |
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dcook |
It's just part of this amorphous knowledge cluster in your brain.. |
| 03:41 |
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dcook |
In other news: http://www.theage.com.au/it-pr[…]50209-138wvk.html |
| 03:41 |
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dcook |
Can't say that this surprises me. |
| 03:42 |
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dcook |
Although for $12... I know where I need to go to eat next... |
| 03:49 |
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eythian |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]eturn_that_result <-- dcook |
| 03:52 |
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dcook |
Cheers :) |
| 03:53 |
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eythian |
this seems to be my personal "oh, that's a useful thing to know" page |
| 03:53 |
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dcook |
hehe |
| 03:54 |
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dcook |
Well, when it comes to Zebra, I don't know how best to go about it |
| 03:54 |
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dcook |
Because it's a pretty big topic |
| 03:54 |
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dcook |
I've thought about making a page to point to all the zebra pages... or maybe a category or something |
| 03:54 |
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eythian |
yeah, that's why I figure a cookbook thing is the most useful |
| 03:54 |
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dcook |
cookbook thing? |
| 03:55 |
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eythian |
it's a style of book for programming things |
| 03:55 |
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eythian |
here's a problem -> here's an example solution |
| 03:56 |
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dcook |
Ahh, I getcha |
| 03:56 |
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dcook |
I thought you meant in terms of organizing all the different info about Zebra |
| 03:56 |
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dcook |
Yeah, I like problem -> solution things |
| 03:59 |
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dcook |
Hmm, seems like we do have a Zebra category.. |
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dcook |
Not sure how anyone would ever find it though.. |
| 04:01 |
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eythian |
OK, another question. Koha returns results for 'trau' but yaz-client doesn't |
| 04:02 |
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dcook |
Ah, now that is an interesting one |
| 04:02 |
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dcook |
At this point, I'd need you to do a "warn" either after buildQuery or before getRecords (or whatever it's called) |
| 04:02 |
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dcook |
Just to see what sort of PQF it's creating |
| 04:03 |
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dcook |
By default, yaz-client is doing a "kw,wrdl" search |
| 04:03 |
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eythian |
in opac-search? |
| 04:03 |
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dcook |
But Koha adds heaps of other stuff in |
| 04:03 |
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dcook |
yeah, that would probably be the best place to do it |
| 04:04 |
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dcook |
Yeah, just before "getRecords" in opac-search |
| 04:04 |
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eythian |
opac-search.pl: (rk=(Title-cover,ext,r1="trau" or ti,ext,r2="trau" or Title-cover,phr,r3="trau" or wrdl,fuzzy,r8="trau" or wrdl,right-Truncation,r9="trau? " or wrdl,r9="trau")) not (rk=( ccode,ext,r1="MSDHIST" or ccode,phr,r3="MSDHIST" or ccode,wrdl,r6="MSDHIST" or ccode,wrdl,fuzzy,r8="MSDHIST" or ccode,wrdl,rt,r9="msdhist? ")) |
| 04:04 |
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eythian |
oh |
| 04:04 |
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eythian |
it's truncating anyway |
| 04:05 |
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eythian |
ahh |
| 04:05 |
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eythian |
stemming is on |
| 04:05 |
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eythian |
maybe that's it? |
| 04:05 |
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dcook |
Interesting... I thought that right-Truncation thing wasn't released het |
| 04:05 |
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dcook |
Hmm, my bad |
| 04:06 |
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eythian |
opac-search.pl: (rk=(Title-cover,ext,r1="trau" or ti,ext,r2="trau" or Title-cover,phr,r3="trau" or wrdl,fuzzy,r8="trau" or wrdl,r9="trau")) not (rk=( ccode,ext,r1="MSDHIST" or ccode,phr,r3="MSDHIST" or ccode,wrdl,r6="MSDHIST" or ccode,wrdl,fuzzy,r8="MSDHIST")) |
| 04:06 |
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eythian |
that's with stemming off |
| 04:06 |
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dcook |
I guess that's been there a while |
| 04:06 |
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dcook |
$weighted_query .= " or wrdl,right-Truncation,r9=\"$stemmed_operand\"" |
| 04:06 |
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dcook |
or rather |
| 04:06 |
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dcook |
$weighted_query .= " or wrdl,right-Truncation,r9=\"$stemmed_operand\"" |
| 04:06 |
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dcook |
if ( $stemming and $stemmed_operand ) |
| 04:06 |
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dcook |
I suppose I should've sent you this way first :p |
| 04:06 |
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eythian |
heh |
| 04:06 |
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dcook |
C4::Search::_build_weighted_query() |
| 04:07 |
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dcook |
But you got to learn more about yaz-client along the way :D |
| 04:07 |
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eythian |
yeah :) |
| 04:07 |
|
* dcook |
really wants to re-write _build_weighted_query... or rather buildQuery |
| 04:07 |
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dcook |
I also really should eat something.. |
| 04:07 |
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eythian |
so what's the meaning of '?' to zebra under right-truncation? |
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dcook |
It's the truncation operator |
| 04:10 |
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eythian |
oh, I presumed it was * |
| 04:10 |
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dcook |
Nah, that's something we've done I think |
| 04:10 |
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eythian |
oh right |
| 04:10 |
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dcook |
It's a bit weird to be honest |
| 04:10 |
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dcook |
Let's see.. |
| 04:10 |
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eythian |
yep |
| 04:11 |
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dcook |
"@truncation ? *" in ccl.properties |
| 04:11 |
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eythian |
ah k |
| 04:12 |
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dcook |
Hmm |
| 04:12 |
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eythian |
I expected stemming to be working with language guides, so it could correctly conjugate. |
| 04:12 |
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dcook |
Ah right. In theory we could use regex in truncation where ? and * would have different meanings, but we don't |
| 04:12 |
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eythian |
that's how it's supposed to work in general |
| 04:13 |
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dcook |
Hmm? |
| 04:13 |
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eythian |
ah yeah |
| 04:13 |
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eythian |
stemming |
| 04:13 |
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wahanui |
i heard stemming was off, however |
| 04:13 |
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dcook |
Makes sense |
| 04:13 |
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dcook |
Something not working with stemming? |
| 04:13 |
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eythian |
it's just that doing word* is not stemming |
| 04:13 |
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dcook |
Or you mean how we've implemented it? |
| 04:13 |
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eythian |
that's just right truncation |
| 04:13 |
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dcook |
Ah, the stemming happens earlier |
| 04:14 |
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dcook |
C4::Search::_build_stemmed_operand |
| 04:14 |
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eythian |
taking "stem" and producing "stems", "stemming", "stemmed" is how it's supposed to work |
| 04:14 |
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dcook |
It uses Lingua::Stem::Snowball |
| 04:14 |
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eythian |
oh right |
| 04:14 |
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eythian |
then why is it just doing right truncation here? |
| 04:14 |
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dcook |
I have wondered that before |
| 04:14 |
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* dcook |
wonders again |
| 04:15 |
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dcook |
Yeah, now that I'm looking again... I suppose it depends on how Lingua::Stem::Snowball is working |
| 04:15 |
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eythian |
one hypothesis is that if it's not a phrase recognised by snowball, it just truncates |
| 04:16 |
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eythian |
(that's speculation, not looking at code) |
| 04:18 |
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eythian |
ahh |
| 04:19 |
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dcook |
Ooh. I like ahhs |
| 04:19 |
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eythian |
snowball chops off things like 'ing' |
| 04:19 |
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eythian |
and then we replace it with ? |
| 04:19 |
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dcook |
Yeah, it would get you the stem |
| 04:19 |
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eythian |
makes sense |
| 04:19 |
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dcook |
I was going to say that before the phone rang |
| 04:19 |
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eythian |
heh |
| 04:19 |
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* dcook |
shakes his head |
| 04:19 |
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dcook |
Yeah, getting the stem from conjugated words. |
| 04:20 |
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dcook |
And it should be able to handle a lot of different languages if it uses locale correctly |
| 04:20 |
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eythian |
it pulls from the MARC language perhaps |
| 04:20 |
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eythian |
no |
| 04:20 |
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eythian |
that can't be right |
| 04:20 |
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eythian |
it must pull from your language settings |
| 04:24 |
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eythian |
it seems limited |
| 04:25 |
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dcook |
my $lang = C4::Templates::getlanguage($cgi, 'opac'); |
| 04:25 |
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eythian |
for example, dutch prefixes with ge- where we'd append -ed, but that won't be handled I expect. |
| 04:25 |
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dcook |
That's very interesting |
| 04:25 |
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dcook |
You mean the stemmer is limited or our implementation? |
| 04:26 |
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eythian |
we just append ? |
| 04:26 |
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dcook |
Or both? |
| 04:26 |
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wahanui |
both is best :) |
| 04:26 |
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eythian |
I don't know what the stemmer would do |
| 04:27 |
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dcook |
Apparently there's a stemmer for it |
| 04:27 |
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dcook |
http://search.cpan.org/~creamy[…]/Snowball.pm#stem |
| 04:27 |
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dcook |
or rather: |
| 04:27 |
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dcook |
http://search.cpan.org/~creamy[…]pported_Languages |
| 04:30 |
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dcook |
I'm bad at this eating on time thing.. |
| 05:03 |
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dcook |
And now it's so late I may as well just have an early dinner.. |
| 05:04 |
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eythian |
heh |
| 05:04 |
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dcook |
I recalled that I had a bag of peanuts to make do until then |
| 05:04 |
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dcook |
Apparently we're having epic burgers tonight |
| 05:04 |
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dcook |
My friend and I. Not my vegan wife and I :p |
| 05:04 |
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dcook |
Although... Lord of the Fries does do some amazing vegan burgers |
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dcook |
eythian: you'll love this: |
| 05:07 |
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dcook |
"In e-mails reproduced in the ITO, Mr. Livingston and his subordinates discussed how to “double delete†e-mails – erasing them from both the inbox and the server – so that they cannot later be retrieved." |
| 05:07 |
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eythian |
haha |
| 05:08 |
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dcook |
It would only be better if they'd written "In e-mails retrieved in the ITO..." |
| 05:08 |
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eythian |
good old fundamental misunderstandings of how things work |
| 05:08 |
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dcook |
Yeppers |
| 05:09 |
|
dcook |
That reminds me of a book at home I really need to remember to read |
| 05:09 |
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dcook |
Something something about how to use electronic records as evidence in court |
| 05:10 |
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eythian |
it'd be interesting |
| 05:10 |
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dcook |
I think so. |
| 05:10 |
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dcook |
Actually, I really enjoyed the start of Wool |
| 05:10 |
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dcook |
It talks about a character finding "double deleted" data ;) |
| 05:11 |
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eythian |
yeah, good series that |
| 05:11 |
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dcook |
Still working on the sequel atm |
| 05:12 |
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dcook |
Breezed through the first one, although that was probably thanks to the holidays |
| 05:12 |
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eythian |
yeah, good holiday read |
| 05:13 |
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dcook |
Twas a very unexpected gift from a friend |
| 05:13 |
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dcook |
Making it double good :) |
| 05:14 |
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eythian |
indeed. I bought it for myself lateish last year |
| 05:15 |
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dcook |
How did you hear about it? |
| 05:15 |
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dcook |
After I'm finished with it, I'm going to have a bit of a reading vacuum |
| 05:15 |
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dcook |
I'm part way through American Gods, but it's a bit tedious to me |
| 05:15 |
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dcook |
which is odd as I often like Neil Gaiman's writing |
| 05:16 |
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dcook |
(I didn't know that adding a newline to die would remove the "at in file blah.pl line 123" bit... that's great to know..) |
| 05:20 |
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eythian |
a friend of mine recommended it |
| 05:20 |
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eythian |
yeah, I find American Gods to be a bit more draggy than his other stuff |
| 05:20 |
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eythian |
$ perl -e 'die "test"' |
| 05:20 |
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eythian |
$ perl -e 'die "test\n"' |
| 05:21 |
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dcook |
Awesome stuff |
| 05:21 |
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dcook |
I'll have to keep that in mind |
| 05:21 |
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dcook |
Good ol' recommendations |
| 05:21 |
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eythian |
I generally prefer the Carp functions |
| 05:21 |
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dcook |
I can't say I've looked at them too much |
| 05:22 |
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eythian |
they'll do things like show errors from the point of view of the calling function |
| 05:22 |
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eythian |
so you know what caused the error, rather than just knowing that you're in the middle of a utility function, say |
| 05:23 |
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dcook |
I was just reading that :) |
| 05:23 |
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dcook |
That would be awesome |
| 05:23 |
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dcook |
Trying to backtrack is annoying as... |
| 05:24 |
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eythian |
yep |
| 05:24 |
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eythian |
see also 'confess' which produces a stack trace |
| 05:24 |
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dcook |
Yeah, just saw that too :) |
| 05:24 |
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dcook |
Also good to keep in mind |
| 05:27 |
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dcook |
@later tell tcohen I envy your congeniality :) |
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huginn |
dcook: The operation succeeded. |
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eythian |
hmm, it's getting very dark outside |
| 05:33 |
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eythian |
sunset isn't for another 2 hours |
| 05:33 |
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eythian |
glad I packed a raincoat |
| 05:54 |
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eythian |
I'm outta here now, bye! |
| 05:54 |
|
* eythian |
& |
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dcook |
laters eythian |
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* magnuse |
waves |
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magnuse |
eythian++ for http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bleshooting_Zebra |
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hi #koha |
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hello |
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good morning #koha |
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bonjour |
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hi alex_a ) |
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hi cait alex_a reiveune |
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hi marcelr |
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good morning #koha |
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waves |
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drojf |
hi cait |
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drojf |
gotta go, later #koha |
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kivilahtio |
kivilahtio |
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wahanui |
i think kivilahtio is working to integrate our SMS provider to Koha |
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kivilahtio |
akafred: I am curious about the Cucumber + Watir Webdriver, but it looks like it is quite Rubyish, and I am afraid not many share the love for Ruby. I am not looking forward to adding an extra language to the Koha testing stack. But there must be some kind of an solution :) |
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kivilahtio |
but it sounds cool |
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rangi |
https://metacpan.org/release/Test-BDD-Cucumber |
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magnuse |
yeah, you can do cucumber in perl |
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akafred |
Yeah ... browser-based tests are fickly, but they also give some confidence that stuff works, with JS and all. Cucumber-Ruby is quite common, also when testing web-based systems not written in Ruby. |
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kivilahtio |
magnuse: yay! |
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akafred |
I don't have any experience with Cucumber in perl; also it is important to have a nice webdriver-binding - I don't know if there is any? |
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akafred |
... in perl? |
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rangi |
there are perl drivers for selenium, watir is just a layer on top of selenium anyway |
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rangi |
and if you want to simulate IE, you can use win32::watir |
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* ashimema |
is now a dad.. :) |
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kivilahtio |
congratulations ashimema! |
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magnuse |
congratulations!!! |
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magnuse |
confetti! |
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wahanui |
o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
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ashimema |
:) |
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kivilahtio |
I am so happy for you! |
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ashimema |
I'm a doting dad now :) |
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kivilahtio |
doting? |
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ashimema |
'tis a lovely feeling |
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rangi |
congrats ashimema |
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ashimema |
doting = excessively or foolishly affectionate |
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kivilahtio |
sounds reasonable |
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kivilahtio |
would it be a bad idea to refactor dateaccessioned to something like datereceived? Or have a new database column for datereceived? I know datereceived is already in the acquisitons module tables, but those pesky acquistions tables need cleaning too |
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rangi |
accessioned is a different thing to received, you want both |
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kivilahtio |
I just finished doing some horrible annual statistics work for our Koha, and it was such a pain to find out check-outs for deleted/not-deted items and deleted/not-deleted biblios and if htey are acquired, or juvenile material or musical stuff |
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kivilahtio |
and the Koha DB certainly would take some improvements regarding our statistical needs (and quite certainly other peoples needs as well) |
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kivilahtio |
rangi: I was hoping to have a unfied way inside the Community Koha to show when the Item has been received in the library? |
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rangi |
did you use the statistics table? |
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kivilahtio |
rangi: it didnät have 1/4th of the statistical markers we needed |
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rangi |
kivilahtio: received and accessioned are 2 different things |
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rangi |
so you cant unify those two |
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kivilahtio |
rangi: yes I know, dateaccesioned is set when the Item is added to the DB |
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kivilahtio |
rangi: ok |
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rangi |
its when its catalogued |
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kivilahtio |
rangi: When we make acuisitions we tag the Items with a notforloan = "On order" |
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rangi |
and barcoded, and put dust jacket on, and processed etc |
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kivilahtio |
I guess we could make a zebra serach based on the acquisitons_date -sort excluding Items on this "on order" status |
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rangi |
sometimes it can be weeks, even months between being received and being accessioned |
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kivilahtio |
rangi: ye |
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rangi |
thats a statistic people want to report on two |
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rangi |
too even |
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kivilahtio |
rangi: i see |
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kivilahtio |
rangi: I was just checking http://www.library.org.nz/ for the new material search |
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rangi |
yep |
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kivilahtio |
hmm, you have a location for ordered items |
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kivilahtio |
rangi: we have a hack to exclude some materials from Fines (mainly childrens materisl) based on the location |
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rangi |
i dont, but yep te takere does :) |
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kivilahtio |
and we need location during the ordering/recewiving phase |
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kivilahtio |
rangi: ah sorry |
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kivilahtio |
well. I think I have a solution :) thanks for listening! |
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rangi |
they host and look after their own koha, we do bits and pieces for them, usually helping with upgrades etc (and design work) |
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kivilahtio |
rangi: ok, so you host some libraries and make developments for others ? |
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rangi |
yeah i think they have on order, and processing, and mending as locations |
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rangi |
kivilahtio: yep |
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kivilahtio |
people use Koha so differently, it is quite powerful |
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rangi |
most of the public libraries host themselves, because they usually are on not great internet connections |
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rangi |
and it's important it is fast in the library |
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rangi |
but we host a bunch of government libraries, and other specials |
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kivilahtio |
rangi: well the servers can be ion their libraries and then you can host from outside? |
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kivilahtio |
but I understand, it is good for the liobraries to be able to host them themselves |
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rangi |
http://library.education.govt.nz/ <-- thats a drupal + koha |
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rangi |
http://library.nzica.com/infor[…]ofessional/#/all/ that's a koha saved report (which outputs as json) and then angular to layout the page |
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rangi |
thats the kinda stuff we do |
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rangi |
a few of the publics do all their own upgrades now, its pretty simple on the packages, and they all are part of a council, which has a big IT dept, may as well make them earn their money ;-) |
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kivilahtio |
rangi: so what does the big IT department do? is it for libraries only or for the whole publix sector? |
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rangi |
no each public library will be part of a city council |
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rangi |
and that will have an IT dept |
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rangi |
in nz anyway |
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kivilahtio |
ok |
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rangi |
and now i should go to sleep |
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kivilahtio |
sleep tight |
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akafred |
Reservations across more than one biblio; say I don't care if I get an item from the 1973 or the 1982 edition of a book, or even if I get either one of Fodor's or Lonely Planet's Travel Guide for Paris ... how does Koha libraries solve this? |
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kivilahtio |
akafred: we dont |
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kivilahtio |
akafred: butwe need that feature as well |
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kivilahtio |
akafred: Also bear in mind, that when you receive serials using the serials module, you cannot place a hold on any serial number, ou can only place holds on a Item |
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kivilahtio |
akafred: we call those holds "parallel holds" where if any hold is caught, all other parallel holds dissolve. |
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kivilahtio |
akafred: The Serial Number reservation issue is another thing, but rather closely tied to this one |
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kivilahtio |
so we need "Parallel reservations" for Biblios and items |
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kivilahtio |
akafred: we are hoping to get that feature in our production sometime this year since it is a rather big issue, especially for the serials deprtment |
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akafred |
As a library user (and library system novice) it is a bit strange that this isn't a common feature in ILSs (the proprietary system used in OPL today has this feature, but only through the interface for the librarians. |
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kivilahtio |
Does anybody kniw where are the tutorial files fro Zebra indexer (http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/tutorial.html) ? |
| 12:13 |
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kivilahtio |
I just cannot make sense of the xslt-modules. I am trying to add an aggregate index which is calculated from all appearances of a subfield inside on Record. |
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kivilahtio |
so, if a Biblio has 20 Items, of which 952$7 has different values, I want to know if just one of those Items has a special value. |
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kivilahtio |
But that same Item should have another value |
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drojf |
kivilahtio: is there an rfc for parallel reservations? (sounds like you are working on it) |
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kivilahtio |
drojf: I am not working on it |
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kivilahtio |
drojf: we have some improvement regarding holds, but that is something we don't necessarily have to have right now |
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drojf |
ok |
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kivilahtio |
drojf: so we are prioritizing low hanging fruit :) |
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cait |
akafred: not sure how common it is - i seem to remember symphony had this feature, but I have never seen or heard of it in another ILS |
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cait |
kivilahtio: small steps! |
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wahanui |
small steps are going to be difficult... I'm not pushing anything that I can't even kind of test. |
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cait |
:) |
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kivilahtio |
cait: thanks |
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kivilahtio |
cait: I will take it to heart, when I find it :) |
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cait |
the heart???? |
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kivilahtio |
just kidding |
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drojf |
@wunder berlin, germany |
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huginn |
drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 5.0°C (1:20 PM CET on February 09, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
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kivilahtio |
why is the Zebra indexers manual pages stating on the tutorial that there are example files but there are none :( |
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drojf |
need. more. caffeine. |
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kivilahtio |
drojf: I need a vacation :) |
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drojf |
actually, i need sleep. but i'm not going to get that |
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drojf |
yes i'd take vacation too :D |
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kivilahtio |
drojf: I need somebody to put me to bed before 12:00 |
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drojf |
i need somebody to do all the stuff, i would go to bed all by myself in return |
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* cait |
wont' comment |
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tcohen |
mornin! |
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tcohen |
hi cait |
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cait |
morning tcohen |
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cait |
hi tcohen :) |
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tcohen |
any jenkins guru? |
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tcohen |
Joubu: can u write a folowup with your proposed change for 13602 |
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tcohen |
=D |
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cait |
bug 13602 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13602 major, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Passed QA , Username/password already exists when editing borrower attributes and messaging preferences |
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Joubu |
tcohen: sorry, I am a bit busy today |
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tcohen |
cait: i have it on my master branch right now |
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cait |
hm? |
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cait |
ah, was just looking up what you were talking about |
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akafred |
tcohen: I would say I'm a Jenkins guru, but I have managed a couple of Jenkins instances and configured a few jobs ... any particular question? (I don't have admin on the koha-community-jenkins, so if it is related to that I'm a bit crippled...) |
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tcohen |
oh |
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tcohen |
I get this when loading a task's page: http://snag.gy/EMTJ6.jpg |
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akafred |
tcohen: https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/[…]wse/JENKINS-26496 |
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akafred |
tcohen: "Updating Disk Usage to 0.25 indeed fixes the issue." --- seems you need to upgrade a Jenkins plugin ... |
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tcohen |
akafred: thank, you rule! |
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akafred |
yay! ;.) |
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reiveune |
bye |
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greenall |
hey folks |
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greenall |
Can you remind me what I need to do to get Authorised values for LOST to be visible in the item's interface? |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12543 - Add userid as matchpoint for "Import patrons" tool <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]adc9f4367c298cee7> / Bug 13404: [QA Follow-up] Minor rewording of some warnings <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ec41bc24c82ce93dd> / Bug 13404 [QA Followup] <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]git;a=commitdiff; |
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cait |
greenall: which page do you mean? |
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cait |
do you mean the pull down on the edit item form? |
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greenall |
"Edit item" |
| 16:56 |
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cait |
hm it depends on hte version |
| 16:56 |
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greenall |
That's the one |
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greenall |
3.18 |
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cait |
i think it's recommended that you set the lost sttus from the detail page > items tab - to trigger all the right behaviour |
| 16:57 |
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cait |
but i think you can make it visible from administration > bibliographic frameworks > 952 > subfields... |
| 16:57 |
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greenall |
OK, we saw that, it breaks the automated tests we run :D |
| 16:57 |
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greenall |
We will have to code for that if that is the recommended way of doing things |
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greenall |
cait: thanks :) |
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cait |
np |
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cait |
we don't do much witht he lost status so far, it's still mostly on my #test all the options' list |
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greenall |
We have many lost statuses (stati?!) and they "*add much benefit for allâ„¢*" |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_Master_D7 build #305: NOW UNSTABLE in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_D7/305/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* Marc Veron: Bug 13450 - Title and breadcrumb of Patron form can look weird in translations |
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jenkins_koha |
* Kyle M Hall: Bug 13450 [QA Followup] - Remove tab character from start of line |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 13418: Clean C4::VirtualShelves::Page a bit |
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jenkins_koha |
* Marcel de Rooy: Bug 13418: [QA Follow-up] Use unshift instead of push |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13450 minor, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Title and breadcrumb of Patron form can look weird in translations |
| 17:32 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 13418: Clean C4::VirtualShelves::Page - Part 2 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Owen Leonard: Bug 13638 - Batch patron modification tool missing option to switch language |
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jenkins_koha |
* Olli-Antti Kivilahti: Bug 13602 - Username/password already exists when editing borrower attributes and messaging preferences |
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jenkins_koha |
* Julian Maurice: Bug 13562: Fix item search on item MARC subfields |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13418 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , The C4::VirtualShelves::Page needs some cleaning |
| 17:32 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 13602: (QA followup) take advantage of the defined-or operator |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 13352: On editing, prices should not be formatted |
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jenkins_koha |
* Katrin.Fischer.83 web.de: Bug 13352: QA Follow-up: Remove Price filter from "Warning at (%)" |
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jenkins_koha |
* Fridolin Somers: Bug 13401 - sort branches alphabetically in admin/authorised_values.pl |
| 17:32 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13638 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Batch patron modification tool missing option to switch language |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13602 major, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Pushed to Master , Username/password already exists when editing borrower attributes and messaging preferences |
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jenkins_koha |
* Mirko Tietgen: Bug 13404 - More System information about GRS1 vs DOM settings |
| 17:32 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Kyle M Hall: Bug 13404 [QA Followup] |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13562 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Item search: Not possible to add other search fields from 952? |
| 17:32 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Marcel de Rooy: Bug 13404: [QA Follow-up] Minor rewording of some warnings |
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jenkins_koha |
* Kyle M Hall: Bug 12543 - Add userid as matchpoint for "Import patrons" tool |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13352 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Editing amount in Acquisitions budget causes error due to formatting |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13401 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , sort branches alphabetically in admin/authorised_values.pl |
| 17:32 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13404 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Master , More System information about GRS1 vs DOM settings |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12543 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add userid as matchpoint for "Import patrons" tool |
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gaetan_B1 |
bye |
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rsz |
tcohen: hi, do I need to do --create-db after --populate-db? |
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tcohen |
rsz: you don't need --populate-db if you are reusing an external DB |
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rsz |
I thought of keeping my working koha version untouched, so I am going ahead with a from scratch db.. |
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rsz |
I am done doing populate-db.. |
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rsz |
it said: Koha instance is empty, no staff user created. |
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rsz |
(is this good news or bad news)? |
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tcohen |
rsz: i'm not sure what are you trying to do |
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rsz |
after populate db when I do a2enmod <lib>; it says module <lib> does not exist(probably apache) |
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rsz |
just confirm if I need to do create-db after populate-db? |
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rsz |
I will summarize my steps here: 1)created koha-common.cnf(for remote db settings) 2)did request-db 3)got db,user,grants done on remote db 4)done calling populate-db |
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* rsz_ |
is wondering to proceed with --create-db or not!? |
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rsz_ |
I went ahead with --create-db, my server says instance is up & running, webpage says koha's sorry unavailable page! |
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rsz_ |
I am unable to load my <serverip>/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl page for configuration, what could be wrong!? |
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tcohen |
@later tell Joubu please remind me the bug # for the failing acq tests |
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huginn |
tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
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tcohen |
later #koha |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13007: DBIC updates <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]89a801c84418674fa> / Bug 13007: DBRev 3.19.00.009 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e4388a855d35adbc3> / Bug 13007: Special case budgetid == '' <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]492f779240d04ffc2> / Bug 13 |
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cait |
hi #koha |
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magnuse |
hi cait |
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cait |
hi magnuse |
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magnuse |
@wunder boo |
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huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (8:20 PM CET on February 09, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.33 in 993 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:31 |
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magnuse |
summer! |
| 19:31 |
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wahanui |
well, summer is here now |
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magnuse |
wb tcohen |
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tcohen |
hi magnuse |
| 20:01 |
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tcohen |
isn't it pizza time yet? |
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cait |
it's not friday? |
| 20:06 |
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* tcohen |
thought it was all dyas |
| 20:06 |
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tcohen |
:-D |
| 20:06 |
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tcohen |
was thinking of the tiem of the day |
| 20:06 |
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tcohen |
git-bz? |
| 20:06 |
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wahanui |
somebody said git-bz was at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_bz_configuration |
| 20:06 |
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tcohen |
thanks wahanui |
| 20:08 |
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magnuse |
friday |
| 20:08 |
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magnuse |
friday? |
| 20:08 |
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magnuse |
friday is pizzaday |
| 20:09 |
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magnuse |
not every day is pizzaday :-) |
| 20:15 |
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cait |
that makes me sad |
| 20:18 |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5511: DBRev 3.19.00.010 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1fb4fa81b0d954477> / Bug 10900: 2 occurrences more <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9f2811e3d74b35e1e> / Bug 10900 - Follow up, since more has been added to master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3c361cc56128b2482 |
| 20:18 |
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rangi |
morning |
| 20:18 |
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rangi |
@wunder nzwn |
| 20:18 |
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huginn |
rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (9:00 AM NZDT on February 10, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa (Rising). |
| 20:19 |
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cait |
morning :) |
| 20:19 |
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tcohen |
morning rangi! |
| 20:20 |
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rangi |
https://gitorious.org/kohakudo[…]bf9da0825e2f4f39: |
| 20:20 |
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rangi |
for those who are interested |
| 20:20 |
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rangi |
thats what makes the patches pushed and signoffs bit on the dashboard |
| 20:20 |
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tcohen |
YAY! |
| 20:20 |
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rangi |
please update the orgmap file if you want |
| 20:20 |
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rangi |
tcohen: i seen manuel has a signoff already! |
| 20:21 |
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tcohen |
ah, yes, he deserved it |
| 20:21 |
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tcohen |
he stood against the screen with me a long pushing sesssion |
| 20:21 |
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tcohen |
:-P |
| 20:21 |
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rangi |
heh |
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tcohen |
I thought no one would notice |
| 20:23 |
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tcohen |
:-D |
| 20:24 |
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rangi |
i see everything ;) |
| 20:24 |
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cait |
heh it's true |
| 20:24 |
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rangi |
opinions on bug 13235 |
| 20:24 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13235 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Revise layout of patron search form |
| 20:25 |
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rangi |
push for 3.18.4 .. leave for 3.20 only? |
| 20:25 |
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cait |
hm it reverts back |
| 20:25 |
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rangi |
so its fixing a regression? |
| 20:25 |
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cait |
i'd like to have it back |
| 20:25 |
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cait |
easier for translations |
| 20:25 |
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rangi |
right, if its a regression fix, all good |
| 20:25 |
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cait |
it revets an accidental change that came in with 9811 |
| 20:26 |
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rangi |
ah yep, ok cool thanks |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_Master_D7 build #306: NOW UNSTABLE in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_D7/306/ |
| 20:47 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Katrin Fischer: Bug 12842: Add DDC classification numbers to MARC21 XSLT detail page |
| 20:47 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 13201: GetSuggestion takes suggestionid |
| 20:47 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Kyle M Hall: Bug 13298 - Holds ratios report ignores ordered items |
| 20:47 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Kyle M Hall: Bug 13299 - Add home library column to the holds ratios report |
| 20:47 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Mark Tompsett: Bug 11954 - Clean up currency default files |
| 20:47 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12842 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Add classification to MARC21 XSLT detail page |
| 20:47 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 12944: Refactor the patron autocomplete |
| 20:47 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 12944: Search orders by basket creator |
| 20:47 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13201 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , GetSuggestion takes suggestionid |
| 20:47 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Owen Leonard: Bug 12944 [Patron lists follow-up] There is no way to search orders by creator |
| 20:47 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 12944: The autocomplete should only be applied for the form |
| 20:47 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 12944: Fix regression on translating |
| 20:47 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 12944: (QA followup) fix POD errors from koha-qa.pl |
| 20:47 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13298 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Holds ratios report ignores ordered items |
| 20:47 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13299 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add home library column to the holds ratios report |
| 20:47 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 13007: Add a foreign key for suggestions.budgetid |
| 20:47 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 13007: Special case budgetid == '' |
| 20:47 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11954 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Clean up currency default files |
| 20:47 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 13007: DBRev 3.19.00.009 |
| 20:47 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 13007: DBIC updates |
| 20:47 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12944 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , There is no way to search orders by creator |
| 20:47 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13007 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , suggestions.budgetid should be a foreign key |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #44 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 21:27 |
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eythian |
hi |
| 21:27 |
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wahanui |
kia ora, eythian |
| 21:27 |
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cait |
hi eythian |
| 21:29 |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_Master_D7 build #307: NOW UNSTABLE in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_D7/307/ |
| 21:29 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Amit Gupta: Bug - 5511: Check for Change in Remote IP address for Session Security. Disable when remote ip address changes frequently. |
| 21:29 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Amit Gupta: Bug - 5511: Added new system preference: SessionRestrictionByIP |
| 21:29 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Martin Renvoize: Bug - 5511 [Followup]: Switched defults |
| 21:29 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Martin Renvoize: Bug - 5511 [Followup]: Missed Instance |
| 21:29 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Katrin.Fischer.83web.de: Bug - 5511 [Followup]: QA Fixes |
| 21:29 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Brandon: Bug 10177 - whitespace is a valid password causing pernicious perturbations. |
| 21:29 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Brandon: Bug 10177 - Whitespace is accepted within the password but leading and trailing spaces are not. |
| 21:29 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Mark Tompsett: Bug 10900 - Incorrect calling conventions accessing C4::Context |
| 21:29 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10177 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Koha Accepts Seven "Space" Characters as a Valid Password |
| 21:29 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Mark Tompsett: Bug 10900 - Follow up, since more has been added to master |
| 21:29 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Jonathan Druart: Bug 10900: 2 occurrences more |
| 21:29 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10900 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Incorrect calling conventions accessing C4::Context |
| 21:29 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 5511: DBRev 3.19.00.010 |
| 21:29 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5511 normal, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, Pushed to Master , Check for Change in Remote IP address for Session Security. Disable when remote ip address changes frequently. |
| 21:32 |
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cait |
eclipse-- |
| 21:33 |
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cait |
for not even starting after being installed |
| 21:41 |
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eythian |
hello cait |
| 21:41 |
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eythian |
why isn't it starting? |
| 21:41 |
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cait |
hi eythian |
| 21:41 |
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cait |
i have no idea |
| 21:42 |
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cait |
it installed without a problem |
| 21:42 |
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cait |
it asks for where to put the workspace |
| 21:42 |
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cait |
i say ok... and then it dies. |
| 21:42 |
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cait |
and i have not the patience to deal with that at this time of the evening. so i uninstaled it again |
| 21:42 |
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eythian |
ah |
| 21:42 |
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eythian |
how did you install it? |
| 21:42 |
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cait |
software center |
| 21:43 |
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cait |
or whatever they call that in english :) |
| 21:43 |
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eythian |
I'd grab it from the eclipse site, the one in distros is quite often out of date |
| 21:43 |
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cait |
i will probably install it all in my windows partition |
| 21:43 |
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cait |
the course i need it for seems to be written for windows users |
| 21:43 |
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eythian |
softwarecentrum here, I think |
| 21:44 |
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cait |
also asks for other stuff tha tmight not run in linux |
| 21:44 |
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eythian |
there's virtually no difference between using it in windows and linux, in my experience (using it to make cross-platform java software.) |
| 21:44 |
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eythian |
but, grab the one from the eclipse site either way, it's more likely to work |
| 21:46 |
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eythian |
and it's just a matter of un-tarring it and running ./eclipse |
| 21:47 |
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cait |
yeah, but i might still go the other route... not sure i want to install tomcat and the other stuff in linux yet |
| 21:47 |
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cait |
when all the instrauctions in the course are windows |
| 21:47 |
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cait |
i don't have a lot of time to figure out things - might go the easy way |
| 21:48 |
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eythian |
heh, tomcat in linux is the easy way. |
| 21:48 |
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cait |
heh |
| 21:48 |
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eythian |
that is likely to be safely apt-get installable |
| 21:49 |
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cait |
i understand you, but i still might do it differently ;) |
| 21:49 |
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* eythian |
ran a glassfish (which is like tomcat) server for several years at my last company. |
| 21:49 |
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cait |
this is not for play or fun... it's for the distance study |
| 21:49 |
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cait |
so i'd like to follow the book closely for once and avoid getting stuck |
| 21:50 |
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eythian |
fair enough, that's what VMs are for |
| 21:53 |
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eythian |
https://punkrockor.wordpress.c[…]g-is-np-complete/ <-- for people where it's snowing |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #45 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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dcook |
Mmm Java apps |
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* dcook |
gives his sympathy to cait |
| 22:26 |
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cait |
thx... |
| 22:26 |
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cait |
dcook: i was wodnering, do you remember which setting collides with icu? |
| 22:26 |
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dcook |
Mmm, I think it might be Fuzzy |
| 22:26 |
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dcook |
Not 100% sure but I think it's Fuzzy |
| 22:26 |
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cait |
thought it might be fuzzy or field weighting |
| 22:26 |
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dcook |
Field weighting should be all right, although fuzzy only works with field weighting turned on |
| 22:27 |
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cait |
but in our one installation using it currently stemming is turned offand everything else on |
| 22:27 |
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cait |
it's quite confusing :) |
| 22:27 |
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rangi |
@wunder nzwn |
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huginn |
rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on February 10, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.48 in 1032 hPa (Rising). |
| 22:27 |
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dcook |
cait: Totally confusing :) |
| 22:27 |
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cait |
ok, so fuzzy + feidl weighting... |
| 22:27 |
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cait |
might have to figure it out as we go |
| 22:27 |
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rangi |
im glad its not warm today, we have no windows that open and no aircon |
| 22:27 |
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cait |
is there some obvious bug? |
| 22:27 |
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dcook |
There's also this lovely thing where field weighting can be turned off in complex queries because of bad variable scoping.. |
| 22:27 |
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cait |
@wunder Konstanz |
| 22:27 |
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huginn |
cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 1.0°C (11:27 PM CET on February 09, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Falling). |
| 22:27 |
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dcook |
rangi: Ouch.. |
| 22:27 |
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dcook |
@wunder syd |
| 22:27 |
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huginn |
dcook: The current temperature in Sydney Airport, New South Wales is 24.0°C (9:00 AM AEDT on February 10, 2015). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1025 hPa (Rising). |
| 22:27 |
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* dcook |
feels a bit warm today |
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andreashm |
hello everyone |
| 22:39 |
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cait |
hi andreashm |
| 22:41 |
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andreashm |
hi cait |
| 22:45 |
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andreashm |
anyone here going to the hackfest in march? |
| 22:50 |
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jenkins_koha |
Yippee, build fixed! |
| 22:50 |
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wahanui |
o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
| 22:50 |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_3.18.x_D7 build #51: FIXED in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_3.18.x_D7/51/ |
| 22:50 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Thomas: Bug 10241 - Easy analyticals creates two 773 fields. Search/link from host to children is broken |
| 22:50 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Mark Tompsett: Bug 13457: Suggestions.t expects sample itemtypes |
| 22:50 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Mark Tompsett: Bug 13457 - Followup for CPL and S codes |
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cait |
andreashm: yep |
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andreashm |
great |
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cait |
are you from stockhom? |
| 22:56 |
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andreashm |
I am |
| 22:56 |
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andreashm |
And going to the hackfest too. |
| 22:57 |
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cait |
I spotted an andreas on the spreadsheet - figured that might be you :) |
| 22:58 |
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andreashm |
yeah, not that great at good pseudonyms. =) |
| 22:59 |
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andreashm |
updated the spreadsheet with the nick. so I guess I have to stick with it. |
| 23:00 |
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andreashm |
but time to head off to bed unfortunately. got to remember to stop by here during daytime and not just lurking around late at night |
| 23:00 |
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cait |
:) |
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cait |
at night time you get nz here |
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cait |
at day time europe |
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cait |
well nz and australia... (sorry dcook) |
| 23:01 |
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cait |
there is always someone on |
| 23:01 |
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andreashm |
always someone here, I guess |
| 23:01 |
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andreashm |
I was just reading up on some of the rest api stuff from last weeks irc meeting. very interesting. |
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andreashm |
ok, bye cait (and everyone else) |
| 23:03 |
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cait |
bye andreashm |
| 23:03 |
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barton_away |
good '(morning|afternoon|evening|day)' #koha |
| 23:04 |
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barton_away |
cait, can I ask you a zebra index quetion, or are you headed for bed? |
| 23:04 |
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cait |
bed time sorry |
| 23:04 |
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cait |
midnight here |
| 23:04 |
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cait |
night all |
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wahanui |
goodnight cait. You'll be back. |
| 23:05 |
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barton_away |
(I suppose when I ask that way, I'm liable to get a quick *oh! well will you look at the time!* ;-) |
| 23:06 |
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barton_away |
g'nigh cait. |
| 23:06 |
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cait |
heh |
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| 23:06 |
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dcook |
Wow... I just had the worst experience with some people on the OpenSuse IRC channel... |
| 23:07 |
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dcook |
Unbelievably rude and abrasive |
| 23:07 |
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barton_away |
it's a simple question, actully -- are there limits on the lenght of zebra index names? I'm seeing some things fail, and I don't know why... |
| 23:07 |
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barton_away |
that's no fun, dcook. |
| 23:07 |
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dcook |
hehe, thanks cait :) |
| 23:08 |
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dcook |
barton_away: I can probably help you when it comes to Zebra |
| 23:08 |
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dcook |
barton_away: Yeah, it was really unpleasant :( |
| 23:08 |
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dcook |
barton_away: As for your question, I'm not sure. What's failing? |
| 23:08 |
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barton_away |
dcook -- I'll pastebin it. |
| 23:09 |
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* dcook |
thumbs up] |
| 23:15 |
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dcook |
Really still sour about that OpenSuse thing |
| 23:16 |
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eythian |
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19 <-- dcook |
| 23:16 |
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dcook |
Haha |
| 23:16 |
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dcook |
Pretty much |
| 23:16 |
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dcook |
Yeah, I've thought that one for a while... |
| 23:17 |
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dcook |
That sort of explains trolls in general |
| 23:17 |
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dcook |
If that had happened here, I would've been embarrassed by the trolls |
| 23:17 |
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eythian |
wahanui: anonymity is http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19 |
| 23:17 |
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wahanui |
OK, eythian. |
| 23:17 |
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dcook |
But, as they said "40% of the people couldn't care less, and everyone else is AFK" |
| 23:18 |
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* dcook |
shakes head |
| 23:18 |
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dcook |
If I didn't have a selfish desire to get this bug fixed, I just wouldn't bother contributing there.. |
| 23:19 |
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eythian |
yeah, it's often all too easy for groups to become toxic. Especially on IRC. |
| 23:20 |
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dcook |
Yeah, I suppose I should be surprised it's not more widespread |
| 23:20 |
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dcook |
I've just had really good experiences on OFTC and freenode overall |
| 23:20 |
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dcook |
Although one day I was in #chef asking a question, and while people were really nice and friendly to me... |
| 23:20 |
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dcook |
Someone else, who appeared to be a developer, said some rather offensive stuff |
| 23:20 |
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dcook |
To someone else or just in general.. it was a bit shocking |
| 23:22 |
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dcook |
Oh well. Experience logged for next time. |
| 23:22 |
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eythian |
you're just spoilt by #koha |
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| 23:23 |
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dcook |
Hehe |
| 23:23 |
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dcook |
A little bit for sure |
| 23:24 |
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dcook |
barton_away: Is that paste still on the way? |
| 23:27 |
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barton_away |
yep, still composing |
| 23:28 |
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dcook |
Cool :) |
| 23:28 |
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dcook |
I'll keep an eye on the channel :) |
| 23:28 |
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* eythian |
-> meeting |
| 23:31 |
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barton_away |
dcook: http://paste.koha-community.org/410 |
| 23:32 |
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barton_away |
I think that the crux of the matter is the error ' [114] Unsupported Use attribute -- v2 addinfo '1068' |
| 23:33 |
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barton_away |
... but there's definitely a '1068' in ccl.properties. |
| 23:33 |
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dcook |
Ah, but ccl.properties only maps a bib-1 attribute with a short-cut name |
| 23:33 |
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dcook |
You need to check if it's in... |
| 23:33 |
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dcook |
bib1.att |
| 23:34 |
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dcook |
Hmm, it does appear in my bib1.att... but that's the place to check |
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barton_away |
yep: ./etc/zebradb/biblios/etc/bib1.att:att 1068 bibliographic-reference |
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dcook |
I suppose another possibility... is that it's an empty index |
| 23:35 |
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dcook |
If I recall correctly, if the index is empty, it'll give you an error like that |
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* dcook |
will look some more at that paste and his own koha as well |
| 23:36 |
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dcook |
Yeah I'm getting that same error in yaz-client |
| 23:36 |
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dcook |
Let's see.. |
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barton_away |
dcook: so you're saying that if the index exists, but there's no data indexed, you'll get that type of error? |
| 23:37 |
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dcook |
pretty sure |
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dcook |
not 100% sure, but I think so |
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dcook |
Something in my brain suggests this |
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dcook |
You'll find the same thing happens if a database is empty |
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dcook |
Like if there are no indexed records in "biblios", it'll say "biblios is unavailable" |
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dcook |
Now "biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml" isn't exactly the file you want |
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dcook |
You want to double-check... |
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barton_away |
hm. well I *think* that I have data that should match, but I can always run xsltproc across the marcxml and see... |
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dcook |
biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl |
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wahanui |
biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl is automatically regenerated from biblio-koha-indexdefs. |
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dcook |
I'd double-check "biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl" to see if it's indexing it first |
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barton_away |
right... I'll need to use the biblio-zebra ... |
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dcook |
Then double-check your data |
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dcook |
My dev install doesn't index "bibliographic-reference" (or "Reference" as it's called in my version) |
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dcook |
So I bet you that's probably it |
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barton_away |
yep,.. we talked about six or eight weeks ago. |
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dcook |
Well, I don't actually bet... |
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* dcook |
isn't very good at gambling |
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barton_away |
heh. |
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* barton_away |
knows how to make a small fortune gambling: start with a big fortune .... |
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barton_away |
dcook: I ran xsltproc on ./kohaclone/etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl, using the marcxml for the record that I thought should match ... it did in fact show <z:index name="bibliographic-reference:w">MLA international bibliography of books and articles on the modern languages and literatures (Complete edition)</z:index> |
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dcook |
Interesting! |
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wahanui |
i heard interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad |
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dcook |
Hmm |
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dcook |
I suppose there is another thing you could try which I should've had you try before ;) |
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dcook |
In yaz-client, try: |
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dcook |
"format xml" |
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dcook |
"elements index" |
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dcook |
then do a search that you know will return the record you want |
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dcook |
That'll show you whether Zebra has that indexed content |
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barton_away |
yeah, I know that trick ... that was going to be my next thing. |
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dcook |
Best trick :D |
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eythian |
meeting over, that was pleasantly short |
| 23:55 |
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dcook |
short meetings are the best meetings |
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eythian |
this explains a lot about Germany I guess: http://i.imgur.com/X6yxoZe.jpg |
