IRC log for #koha, 2015-02-09

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00:00 jcamins eythian: do we like Rabobank?
00:00 jcamins Never mind.
00:00 wahanui Good, I'm glad you figured it out. I didn't understand, and probably never will, being a bot.
00:01 jcamins There is a Rabobank branch in New York, but they don't offer service in the US outside of California.
00:01 jcamins They also apparently only do agriculture.
00:02 rangi jcamins: they are a bank .. it's pretty hard to like banks
00:03 jcamins rangi: yeah, I know. I have yet to meet one that I like. Which is why I was so excited by the thought that eythian had found one he liked.
00:03 rangi yeah
00:04 eythian I've never used them, except getting spam claiming to be from them.
00:04 jcamins eythian: oh.
00:12 dcook I wonder what a Rabobank scanner would be..
00:12 dcook Maybe they meant your Rabobank scammer
00:12 dcook They've been found and are now ready for use
00:14 jcamins dcook: for checks.
00:15 eythian nobody uses checks
00:15 eythian or even calls them that
00:16 * dcook can't remember the last time he used a cheque
00:16 dcook I wanted to make a joke about checks and balances...
00:16 dcook But I think I was thinking of scales..
00:16 rangi i dont think ive owned a chequebook in at least 10 years
00:16 dcook yeah, it must be around the 10 year mark
00:17 dcook I think I needed some maybe 8-9 years ago for a very specific purpose..
00:17 dcook Oh, rent
00:17 rangi i wonder what other countries still use them, i know the US still uses them quite a bit
00:17 dcook I used cheques to pay rent in... 2007-2009, I think
00:17 dcook No, 2007-2010. Wow..
00:17 dcook I think Canada still allows them but they're pretty uncommon
00:17 rangi they are still allowed here
00:18 dcook I got a cheque from the ATO when I gave them the wrong bank details :p
00:18 jcamins rangi: we use them a lot, that's for sure.
00:18 rangi i think last one was a bank cheque, for the house deposit
00:18 eythian I used to pay my power bill with one, in about 2000, as I didn't have reliable internet at my flat
00:19 rangi that would have been hmm 2004 ish
00:19 rangi i have a bank of america chequebook somewhere
00:19 rangi they give accounts to everybody
00:19 rangi i just walked into a branch in california, and got a bank account
00:20 eythian ...and a rifle? :)
00:20 rangi probably why they needed to be bailed out
00:20 rangi heh, thats only in colorado
00:20 rangi i forget what bank that was, and knowing michael moore was a set up anyway. he makes good points, but then ruins them by making shit up also
00:21 jcamins rangi: you'd think that taking everyone's money would have reduced the need for bailing the banks out.
00:21 rangi you'd think :)
00:21 rangi they did give me an overdraft too
00:21 dcook rangi: " he makes good points, but then ruins them by making shit up also" so much that
00:22 dcook I think it was "Sicko" that sickened me the most...
00:22 jcamins rangi: I feel like as a USian I should've been offered overdraft when setting up an account in 2004.
00:22 dcook Lots of made up shit
00:22 dcook Lots of true stuff too of course..
00:23 jcamins I mean, if any dude with a nice accent can walk into a bank and get an overdraft, doesn't my seemingly-Canadian accent count?
00:23 rangi jcamins: i thought they were giving away mortgages still at that point
00:23 jcamins They were. I probably could've gotten a mortgage had I asked.
00:23 rangi here you have a 1% deposit .. and no way of paying it back, have a 200k mortgag
00:23 rangi e
00:23 rangi yeah
00:24 jcamins Not that I would have used overdraft, but I've always wondered why everyone treats it as commonplace, when I've never been given the option of getting it.
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00:47 dcook Man... a 200k mortgage... that'd be all right..
00:47 * dcook figures he'll end his life in a cardboard box
00:47 dcook Wait, that came out wrong
00:49 eythian heh
00:51 rangi there are still lots of places you can get a big house for 200k in nz . .. just no one wants to live there
00:52 rangi  <-- my grandparents old house
00:53 jcamins rangi: there are lots of places in the US you can get a big house for less than half that.
00:53 jcamins Not near me, though.
00:54 rangi yeah you can buy all of detroit for like 20 cents or something
00:54 jcamins lol
00:55 dcook I thought detroit was on the upswing these days
00:55 rangi ok 40cents then
00:55 * dcook recalls when a fellow library worker was planning to buy a house for 20 cents
00:55 jcamins True, but there are even places where you can have a green lawn instead of a gray one.
00:55 dcook rangi: So why don't people want to live in your grandparent's old house?
00:56 dcook grandparents'*
00:56 rangi its in whanganui
00:56 dcook I don't know where that is, but I suppose somewhere less desirable
00:56 dcook For some reason I read "nz" as "wellington"
00:56 jcamins Oh, yeah, whanagnui. Too much sun and not enough snow.
00:56 rangi it;s fine, but there arent many jobs there
00:57 dcook Yeah, that's the thing :/
00:57 dcook I wouldn't mind living in heaps of places probably... so long as there was work I wanted there
00:57 rangi i lived there from age 8 to 17
00:57 rangi good place for kids
00:57 dcook I mean... I originally come from a village of 200 people.
00:57 dcook Yeah?
00:57 rangi but no university
00:57 dcook Admittedly, I was glad when I left my 500 person town at 18..
00:57 rangi the council in the 50s voted against it
00:57 rangi and it went to palmerston north instead
00:58 dcook Voted against a university? Weird..
00:58 rangi which is 1.5 hours car ride away
00:58 rangi yeah, people are mental
00:58 jcamins Isn't Palmerston North a Koha library?
00:58 dcook :/
00:58 dcook My parents live 30 minutes from the university I graduated from... and I figured that was too far :p
00:58 rangi there's a theosophical society in palmy that is
00:58 dcook I also didn't want to live with my parents, because I was silly
00:58 jcamins That must be what I was thinking of.
00:58 rangi but not the public or uni
00:59 rangi maybe the polytech there soon tho
00:59 rangi (college in us speak)
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01:35 * eythian steals content from dcook's email to make this bug report.
01:38 dcook \o/
01:38 dcook I think that should probably be enough info
01:38 eythian yeah
01:38 dcook Sort of a big deal when it comes to ICU
01:38 dcook Which I imagine must be used a fair bit...
01:38 * eythian wonders if the severity should be 'important' or 'normal'
01:39 * dcook wonders that too
01:39 eythian Probably can't really justify important: "a bug which has a major effect on the usability of a package, without rendering it completely unusable to everyone."
01:39 eythian vs: "a bug that does not undermine the usability of the whole package; for example, a problem with a particular option or menu item."
01:40 dcook Mmm
01:40 dcook Totally the latter
01:40 eythian I think it's realistically more the latter
01:41 dcook When is Jessie being released?
01:41 dcook I'm never sure :S
01:41 dcook or rather, I'm never sure of its status
01:43 eythian when it's ready
01:43 eythian I don't think there's a date set, just when they get all the release critical bugs out
01:44 dcook Mmm
01:46 dcook Yikes, looks like they have a few to do...
01:46 eythian RC1 is out now, and the flow of updates is slowing down
01:46 dcook[…]rt.cgi?bug=776910
01:46 eythian[…]reeze_policy.html <-- yeah, an update to zebra so isn't getting in
01:48 dcook Yeah, I was just reading through bits of that
01:49 dcook So might that mean using the Indexdata apt repository? Or referring people to it if they're using ICU and Jessie/Vivid?
01:50 * dcook figures he's probably in the wrong timezone for OpenSuse folks..
01:50 eythian it might, yeah
01:50 dcook I'm curious about the facet problems that people are encountering too
01:50 dcook Actually, I might take a look at that right now as I have a system with 2.0.59..
01:51 eythian I'd need to have a whole new section of the repo to handle zebra, and I really, really don't want to do that.
01:51 dcook Yeah, I imagine that wouldn't be too fun
01:52 dcook I"m having no problem with facets on 2.0.59...
01:53 dcook Now when was I talking about that with cait..
01:54 eythian IRC should be logged into elasticsearch to make searching easier.
01:54 dcook :D
01:54 dcook Does it even have a search function now?
01:54 eythian what?
01:54 dcook Huh.. looks like
01:54 eythian oh
01:54 eythian yeah can google it
01:54 * dcook always just googles for it
01:57 eythian damnit, that bug didn't send because exim wasn't configured on my dev vm
01:57 eythian oh, but the bounce has the content, so that's OK
01:58 dcook :D
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02:27 eythian[…]rt.cgi?bug=777515 <-- dcook
02:29 dcook Cool beans
02:29 dcook eythian++
02:29 dcook You're a champion
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02:38 wizzyrea someone needs to make a gandalf meme about debian
02:38 wizzyrea "Debian is never late or early. Debian arrives precisely when it means to."
02:39 dcook lol
02:39 dcook debian?
02:39 wahanui well, debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that
02:39 dcook debian?
02:39 wahanui rumour has it debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that
02:39 dcook debian is also Debian is never late or early. Debian arrives precisely when it means to.
02:39 wahanui okay, dcook.
02:39 dcook debian ?
02:39 wahanui hmmm... debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that
02:39 dcook debian ?
02:39 wahanui i guess debian is Debian is never late or early. Debian arrives precisely when it means to.
02:39 dcook Damn..
02:40 dcook should've saw that coming
02:40 dcook eythian: Any ideas on how to make wahanui selectively forget things?
02:40 wizzyrea
02:40 eythian dcook: why? that's half the fun :)
02:40 dcook hehe, wizzyrea
02:41 eythian wizzyrea: that's the wrong gandalf
02:41 wizzyrea true.
02:41 wizzyrea it should be a grey one.
02:41 wizzyrea but I didn't want confused gandalf.
02:41 wizzyrea or maybe that's more apt.
02:42 wizzyrea
02:42 wizzyrea I suppose there are people who run debian on apple hardware.
02:42 dcook Also good :)
02:43 dcook Heaps probably
02:43 wizzyrea let's just pretend, for fun, that gandalf, if he were a real wizard, that he'd do that.
02:43 dcook It seems like so many photos I see of people programming are of people on Apple laptops
02:43 wizzyrea no manky old osx for gandalf no sir-ee
02:43 dcook What do you mean "real" wizard?
02:44 wizzyrea oh right gandalf is real.
02:44 dcook I'm sure he's around somewhere
02:44 dcook Probably chilling out with a pipe
02:44 wizzyrea pretty sure I saw him out in miramar once.
02:45 dcook I figure having a huge white/grey beard must be the ultimate disguise
02:45 dcook I mean... cartoon characters have been proving this for years
02:45 dcook But really
02:45 dcook They all look the same
02:45 * dcook is looking forward to white/grey hair
02:46 * wizzyrea is not
02:46 wizzyrea but then again, I don't have the genes for grey hair.
02:46 dcook Genes for grey hair?
02:47 dcook Actually, I don't know what colour hair I currently have
02:47 dcook Sometimes it looks dark blond, or grey, or brown
02:47 * eythian recommends a mirror occasionaly
02:47 dcook Flecks of red or white from time to time
02:47 dcook eythian: Oh, I look in the mirror, but it depends on the light :S
02:47 eythian just so you don't get surprised if you see yourself on a window or something,
02:48 eythian *in
02:49 wizzyrea https://thenewsconduit.files.w[…]1/02_rtr1wcmp.jpg
02:53 dcook eythian: Well, I think I know how I look mostly overall.
02:53 dcook wizzyrea: That was life back in Canada
02:53 wizzyrea except your lips were actually stuck to the glass.
02:53 dcook Only if the heating is turned off
02:54 wizzyrea hehe
02:54 dcook I've never actually stuck anything to anything frozen
02:54 dcook I could feel skin starting to adhere, and went "nope, nope, nope"
02:54 dcook Honestly, who thinks telling someone "Don't lick that cold piece of metal" is actually going to stop them?
02:54 * dcook was just more cautious than the other stupid kids :p
02:55 dcook Well, not stupid...
02:57 eythian heh yeah
02:58 eythian but I know nothing about internal party politics there.
03:08 eythian dcook: regarding that autotruncation thing from last week:
03:08 eythian > we can't identify any instances where auto-truncate was actually doing anything - even disabled, searches still resolve correctly. Are there actually situations where auto-truncate will return results that queryfuzzy would not?
03:08 eythian > (for example, we expected a search term like 'tra', which matches no items in our catalogue, would only return results with auto-truncate on, but with that disabled we're still getting truncated results.)
03:09 eythian which is correct, 'tra' returns things about training etc.
03:09 eythian any ideas?
03:09 wahanui any ideas are welcome :)
03:11 dcook Hmm
03:12 dcook I don't think fuzzy would impact that
03:13 eythian nevertheless, it seems that zebra is doing something truncaty on its own perhaps\
03:13 dcook Well...that gives me an idea
03:13 dcook Just give me a sec
03:14 dcook I don't know why I never thought of that before..
03:14 eythian telling zebra to do right truncation itself?
03:14 dcook Hmm?
03:14 dcook I have a tip for you if you're able to use yaz-client
03:14 dcook In this situation
03:14 dcook "format xml"
03:14 dcook "elements zebra::snippet"
03:15 dcook It'll show you the index/indexed value used to determine the hit :)
03:15 dcook So I did a search for "e"
03:15 dcook And here is my first result:
03:15 pastebot "dcook" at pasted "zebra::snippet" (11 lines) at
03:16 eythian where is your actual search in that?
03:16 dcook find e
03:16 dcook It was above the cut, sorry
03:16 eythian ah k
03:16 eythian Search was a bloomin' failure.
03:16 eythian [109] Database unavailable -- v2 addinfo 'Default'
03:16 eythian oh
03:16 eythian hmm
03:17 dcook "base biblios"
03:17 eythian yaz-client talks on the socket, right?
03:17 eythian oh
03:17 dcook Sorry, I should've done from start to finish on this one
03:17 eythian that's better
03:17 dcook You might still get an error if your zebra conf isn't set up right
03:17 eythian [25] Specified element set name not valid for specified database -- v2 addinfo 'zebra::snippet'
03:17 dcook But it sounds like it was all right?
03:17 dcook Ah, k
03:17 dcook I can help with that too :)
03:18 dcook You're using DOM?
03:18 eythian uhm
03:18 eythian I think so
03:18 dcook Can you show me your contents of "retrieval-info-bib-dom.xml"?
03:19 pastebot "eythian" at pasted "./zebradb/retrieval-info-bib-dom.xml" (22 lines) at
03:19 dcook Cool, that's what I thought.
03:19 dcook I'll paste the changed version
03:20 pastebot "dcook" at pasted "zebra conf for zebra::*" (23 lines) at
03:20 dcook I think newer versions of Koha have that
03:20 eythian just that xml line?
03:20 dcook Yep
03:21 dcook In git, we have "<retrieval syntax="xml" name="zebra::*"/>" as well, but it's unnecessary
03:21 dcook Once you add that, restart Zebra, and then try the search again
03:21 dcook And it should work
03:21 dcook Just make sure you add that line where I put it
03:21 dcook If you put it lower than the other "xml" elements, it won't work right
03:21 dcook The nameless element has to be before named ones
03:22 dcook (I can't remember how much experimenting that took to learn... way too much :P)
03:22 eythian Diagnostic message(s) from database:
03:22 eythian [25] Specified element set name not valid for specified database -- v2 addinfo 'zebra::snippet'
03:22 dcook And you've restarted the zebra server?
03:23 eythian yeah
03:23 dcook Well, exited out of yaz-client, restarted the zebra server, and gone back into yaz-client?
03:23 dcook and you did "format xml"?
03:23 eythian yep
03:23 dcook That's quite odd then
03:24 eythian your paste 406 doesn't have the zebra:: bits
03:24 dcook Yeah, it shouldn't need them
03:24 dcook You can try that though
03:24 eythian where do they go?
03:24 eythian and what do they look like?
03:25 dcook <retrieval syntax="xml" name="zebra::*"/>
03:25 dcook As the last element after   <retrieval syntax="xml" name="marcxml"
03:25 dcook identifier="info:srw/schema/1/marcxml-v1.1"/>
03:25 eythian k
03:25 dcook Hmm, maybe you do need that bit after all..
03:25 eythian yeah
03:26 eythian that did something
03:26 dcook Weird, I would've sworn it didn't. Oh well. That's cool :). Lesson learned :D
03:26 dcook Is that helping?
03:27 eythian well, I don't know what I'm looking for
03:27 dcook When I try "tra" I'm getting callnumbers that match
03:27 eythian I just get the record
03:27 dcook Can you paste in the result of "list_all"?
03:27 pastebot "eythian" at pasted "list_all" (17 lines) at
03:28 dcook Ah, you need to set your elements
03:28 dcook Those haven't been set yet
03:28 eythian oh
03:28 eythian yeah, I realised that just after I pasted that :)
03:28 dcook :)
03:28 eythian [25] Specified element set name not valid for specified database -- v2 addinfo 'zebra::snippet'
03:28 eythian :/
03:28 dcook :/
03:29 dcook Ahh, I wonder if you are using DOM...
03:29 dcook Can you check your koha-conf.xml?
03:29 dcook That would explain that one
03:29 eythian <config>/etc/koha/sites/msd/z​ebra-biblios-dom.cfg</config>
03:30 dcook Can y ou look a few elements lower from that one?
03:30 dcook Is there a "<xi:include>"?
03:30 eythian <xi:include href="/etc/koha/marc21-retrieval-info-bib-dom.xml"
03:30 dcook Hmm, ahh
03:30 dcook That would be the file to use
03:30 dcook I had you editing the wrong one
03:30 eythian oh
03:30 dcook Mine is "/home/dcook/koha-dev/etc/zebra​db/retrieval-info-bib-dom.xml"
03:31 dcook Yours is gitified, I guess?
03:31 eythian no, package
03:31 dcook Ah, that would do it
03:31 dcook Well, if you change that file to include those <retrieval> elements from before
03:31 dcook Then restart zebra, then go back into yaz-client, haha
03:31 dcook Then it should work :)
03:31 eythian cool :)
03:31 dcook :D
03:33 eythian ok, that works
03:33 eythian hah
03:33 eythian the results are actually from the call numbers
03:34 dcook Thought that might be it :)
03:35 dcook I just learned about "zebra::snippet" last week actually, but it looks pretty handy
03:36 dcook Yay!
03:36 * dcook likes being helpful
03:36 * eythian puts this in the wiki
03:36 dcook Excellent idea
03:37 dcook Share the link?
03:37 eythian no, I'm going to put it in the wiki and then keep it private!
03:37 dcook hehe
03:37 dcook "They'll never find it! Muahahah!"
03:38 dcook I should probably share more about Zebra...
03:39 dcook The problem with learning things and not writing them down... you don't remember what you've learned in an easy to explain way
03:39 dcook It's just part of this amorphous knowledge cluster in your brain..
03:41 dcook In other news:[…]50209-138wvk.html
03:41 dcook Can't say that this surprises me.
03:42 dcook Although for $12... I know where I need to go to eat next...
03:49 eythian[…]eturn_that_result <-- dcook
03:52 dcook Cheers :)
03:53 eythian this seems to be my personal "oh, that's a useful thing to know" page
03:53 dcook hehe
03:54 dcook Well, when it comes to Zebra, I don't know how best to go about it
03:54 dcook Because it's a pretty big topic
03:54 dcook I've thought about making a page to point to all the zebra pages... or maybe a category or something
03:54 eythian yeah, that's why I figure a cookbook thing is the most useful
03:54 dcook cookbook thing?
03:55 eythian it's a style of book for programming things
03:55 eythian here's a problem -> here's an example solution
03:56 dcook Ahh, I getcha
03:56 dcook I thought you meant in terms of organizing all the different info about Zebra
03:56 dcook Yeah, I like problem -> solution things
03:59 dcook Hmm, seems like we do have a Zebra category..
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04:00 dcook Not sure how anyone would ever find it though..
04:01 eythian OK, another question. Koha returns results for 'trau' but yaz-client doesn't
04:02 dcook Ah, now that is an interesting one
04:02 dcook At this point, I'd need you to do a "warn" either after buildQuery or before getRecords (or whatever it's called)
04:02 dcook Just to see what sort of PQF it's creating
04:03 dcook By default, yaz-client is doing a "kw,wrdl" search
04:03 eythian in opac-search?
04:03 dcook But Koha adds heaps of other stuff in
04:03 dcook yeah, that would probably be the best place to do it
04:04 dcook Yeah, just before "getRecords" in opac-search
04:04 eythian (rk=(Title-cover,ext,r1="trau" or ti,ext,r2="trau" or Title-cover,phr,r3="trau" or wrdl,fuzzy,r8="trau" or wrdl,right-Truncation,r9="trau? " or wrdl,r9="trau")) not (rk=( ccode,ext,r1="MSDHIST" or ccode,phr,r3="MSDHIST" or ccode,wrdl,r6="MSDHIST" or ccode,wrdl,fuzzy,r8="MSDHIST" or ccode,wrdl,rt,r9="msdhist? "))
04:04 eythian oh
04:04 eythian it's truncating anyway
04:05 eythian ahh
04:05 eythian stemming is on
04:05 eythian maybe that's it?
04:05 dcook Interesting... I thought that right-Truncation thing wasn't released het
04:05 dcook Hmm, my bad
04:06 eythian (rk=(Title-cover,ext,r1="trau" or ti,ext,r2="trau" or Title-cover,phr,r3="trau" or wrdl,fuzzy,r8="trau" or wrdl,r9="trau")) not (rk=( ccode,ext,r1="MSDHIST" or ccode,phr,r3="MSDHIST" or ccode,wrdl,r6="MSDHIST" or ccode,wrdl,fuzzy,r8="MSDHIST"))
04:06 eythian that's with stemming off
04:06 dcook I guess that's been there a while
04:06 dcook $weighted_query .= " or wrdl,right-Truncation,r9=\"$stemmed_operand\""
04:06 dcook or rather
04:06 dcook $weighted_query .= " or wrdl,right-Truncation,r9=\"$stemmed_operand\""
04:06 dcook if ( $stemming and $stemmed_operand )
04:06 dcook I suppose I should've sent you this way first :p
04:06 eythian heh
04:06 dcook C4::Search::_build_weighted_query()
04:07 dcook But you got to learn more about yaz-client along the way :D
04:07 eythian yeah :)
04:07 * dcook really wants to re-write _build_weighted_query... or rather buildQuery
04:07 dcook I also really should eat something..
04:07 eythian so what's the meaning of '?' to zebra under right-truncation?
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04:10 dcook It's the truncation operator
04:10 eythian oh, I presumed it was *
04:10 dcook Nah, that's something we've done I think
04:10 eythian oh right
04:10 dcook It's a bit weird to be honest
04:10 dcook Let's see..
04:10 eythian yep
04:11 dcook "@truncation ? *" in
04:11 eythian ah k
04:12 dcook Hmm
04:12 eythian I expected stemming to be working with language guides, so it could correctly conjugate.
04:12 dcook Ah right. In theory we could use regex in truncation where ? and * would have different meanings, but we don't
04:12 eythian that's how it's supposed to work in general
04:13 dcook Hmm?
04:13 eythian ah yeah
04:13 eythian stemming
04:13 wahanui i heard stemming was off, however
04:13 dcook Makes sense
04:13 dcook Something not working with stemming?
04:13 eythian it's just that doing word* is not stemming
04:13 dcook Or you mean how we've implemented it?
04:13 eythian that's just right truncation
04:13 dcook Ah, the stemming happens earlier
04:14 dcook C4::Search::_build_stemmed_operand
04:14 eythian taking "stem" and producing "stems", "stemming", "stemmed" is how it's supposed to work
04:14 dcook It uses Lingua::Stem::Snowball
04:14 eythian oh right
04:14 eythian then why is it just doing right truncation here?
04:14 dcook I have wondered that before
04:14 * dcook wonders again
04:15 dcook Yeah, now that I'm looking again... I suppose it depends on how Lingua::Stem::Snowball is working
04:15 eythian one hypothesis is that if it's not a phrase recognised by snowball, it just truncates
04:16 eythian (that's speculation, not looking at code)
04:18 eythian ahh
04:19 dcook Ooh. I like ahhs
04:19 eythian snowball chops off things like 'ing'
04:19 eythian and then we replace it with ?
04:19 dcook Yeah, it would get you the stem
04:19 eythian makes sense
04:19 dcook I was going to say that before the phone rang
04:19 eythian heh
04:19 * dcook shakes his head
04:19 dcook Yeah, getting the stem from conjugated words.
04:20 dcook And it should be able to handle a lot of different languages if it uses locale correctly
04:20 eythian it pulls from the MARC language perhaps
04:20 eythian no
04:20 eythian that can't be right
04:20 eythian it must pull from your language settings
04:24 eythian it seems limited
04:25 dcook my $lang = C4::Templates::getlanguage($cgi, 'opac');
04:25 eythian for example, dutch prefixes with ge- where we'd append -ed, but that won't be handled I expect.
04:25 dcook That's very interesting
04:25 dcook You mean the stemmer is limited or our implementation?
04:26 eythian we just append ?
04:26 dcook Or both?
04:26 wahanui both is best :)
04:26 eythian I don't know what the stemmer would do
04:27 dcook Apparently there's a stemmer for it
04:27 dcook[…]/
04:27 dcook or rather:
04:27 dcook[…]pported_Languages
04:30 dcook I'm bad at this eating on time thing..
05:03 dcook And now it's so late I may as well just have an early dinner..
05:04 eythian heh
05:04 dcook I recalled that I had a bag of peanuts to make do until then
05:04 dcook Apparently we're having epic burgers tonight
05:04 dcook My friend and I. Not my vegan wife and I :p
05:04 dcook Although... Lord of the Fries does do some amazing vegan burgers
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05:07 dcook eythian: you'll love this:
05:07 dcook "In e-mails reproduced in the ITO, Mr. Livingston and his subordinates discussed how to “double delete” e-mails – erasing them from both the inbox and the server – so that they cannot later be retrieved."
05:07 eythian haha
05:08 dcook It would only be better if they'd written "In e-mails retrieved in the ITO..."
05:08 eythian good old fundamental misunderstandings of how things work
05:08 dcook Yeppers
05:09 dcook That reminds me of a book at home I really need to remember to read
05:09 dcook Something something about how to use electronic records as evidence in court
05:10 eythian it'd be interesting
05:10 dcook I think so.
05:10 dcook Actually, I really enjoyed the start of Wool
05:10 dcook It talks about a character finding "double deleted" data ;)
05:11 eythian yeah, good series that
05:11 dcook Still working on the sequel atm
05:12 dcook Breezed through the first one, although that was probably thanks to the holidays
05:12 eythian yeah, good holiday read
05:13 dcook Twas a very unexpected gift from a friend
05:13 dcook Making it double good :)
05:14 eythian indeed. I bought it for myself lateish last year
05:15 dcook How did you hear about it?
05:15 dcook After I'm finished with it, I'm going to have a bit of a reading vacuum
05:15 dcook I'm part way through American Gods, but it's a bit tedious to me
05:15 dcook which is odd as I often like Neil Gaiman's writing
05:16 dcook (I didn't know that adding a newline to die would remove the "at in file line 123" bit... that's great to know..)
05:20 eythian a friend of mine recommended it
05:20 eythian yeah, I find American Gods to be a bit more draggy than his other stuff
05:20 eythian $ perl -e 'die "test"'
05:20 eythian $ perl -e 'die "test\n"'
05:21 dcook Awesome stuff
05:21 dcook I'll have to keep that in mind
05:21 dcook Good ol' recommendations
05:21 eythian I generally prefer the Carp functions
05:21 dcook I can't say I've looked at them too much
05:22 eythian they'll do things like show errors from the point of view of the calling function
05:22 eythian so you know what caused the error, rather than just knowing that you're in the middle of a utility function, say
05:23 dcook I was just reading that :)
05:23 dcook That would be awesome
05:23 dcook Trying to backtrack is annoying as...
05:24 eythian yep
05:24 eythian see also 'confess' which produces a stack trace
05:24 dcook Yeah, just saw that too :)
05:24 dcook Also good to keep in mind
05:27 dcook @later tell tcohen I envy your congeniality :)
05:27 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded.
05:33 eythian hmm, it's getting very dark outside
05:33 eythian sunset isn't for another 2 hours
05:33 eythian glad I packed a raincoat
05:54 eythian I'm outta here now, bye!
05:54 * eythian &
06:01 dcook laters eythian
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07:44 marcelr hi #koha
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07:49 reiveune hello
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08:02 cait good morning #koha
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08:03 alex_a bonjour
08:03 cait hi alex_a )
08:05 marcelr hi cait alex_a reiveune
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08:15 drojf good morning #koha
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08:26 gaetan_B hello
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08:46 * cait waves
08:50 drojf hi cait
08:50 drojf gotta go, later #koha
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09:12 kivilahtio kivilahtio
09:12 wahanui i think kivilahtio is working to integrate our SMS provider to Koha
09:16 kivilahtio akafred: I am curious about the Cucumber + Watir Webdriver, but it looks like it is quite Rubyish, and I am afraid not many share the love for Ruby. I am not looking forward to adding an extra language to the Koha testing stack. But there must be some kind of an solution :)
09:16 kivilahtio but it sounds cool
09:24 rangi
09:25 magnuse yeah, you can do cucumber in perl
09:26 akafred Yeah ... browser-based tests are fickly, but they also give some confidence that stuff works, with JS and all. Cucumber-Ruby is quite common, also when testing web-based systems not written in Ruby.
09:26 kivilahtio magnuse: yay!
09:27 akafred I don't have any experience with Cucumber in perl; also it is important to have a nice webdriver-binding - I don't know if there is any?
09:27 akafred ... in perl?
09:29 rangi there are perl drivers for selenium, watir is just a layer on top of selenium anyway
09:31 rangi and if you want to simulate IE, you can use win32::watir
09:47 * ashimema is now a dad.. :)
09:49 kivilahtio congratulations ashimema!
09:49 magnuse congratulations!!!
09:49 magnuse confetti!
09:49 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
09:49 ashimema :)
09:49 kivilahtio I am so happy for you!
09:49 ashimema I'm a doting dad now :)
09:49 kivilahtio doting?
09:49 ashimema 'tis a lovely feeling
09:49 rangi congrats ashimema
09:50 ashimema doting = excessively or foolishly affectionate
09:50 kivilahtio sounds reasonable
09:52 kivilahtio would it be a bad idea to refactor dateaccessioned to something like datereceived? Or have a new database column for datereceived? I know datereceived is already in the acquisitons module tables, but those pesky acquistions tables need cleaning too
09:52 rangi accessioned is a different thing to received, you want both
09:52 kivilahtio I just finished doing some horrible annual statistics work for our Koha, and it was such a pain to find out check-outs for deleted/not-deted items and deleted/not-deleted biblios and if htey are acquired, or juvenile material or musical stuff
09:53 kivilahtio and the Koha DB certainly would take some improvements regarding our statistical needs (and quite certainly other peoples needs as well)
09:53 kivilahtio rangi: I was hoping to have a unfied way inside the Community Koha to show when the Item has been received in the library?
09:53 rangi did you use the statistics table?
09:54 kivilahtio rangi: it didnät have 1/4th of the statistical markers we needed
09:54 rangi kivilahtio: received and accessioned are 2 different things
09:54 rangi so you cant unify those two
09:54 kivilahtio rangi: yes I know, dateaccesioned is set when the Item is added to the DB
09:54 kivilahtio rangi: ok
09:54 rangi its when its catalogued
09:55 kivilahtio rangi: When we make acuisitions we tag the Items with a notforloan = "On order"
09:55 rangi and barcoded, and put dust jacket on, and processed etc
09:55 kivilahtio I guess we could make a zebra serach based on the acquisitons_date -sort excluding Items on this "on order" status
09:55 rangi sometimes it can be weeks, even months between being received and being accessioned
09:55 kivilahtio rangi: ye
09:55 rangi thats a statistic people want to report on two
09:55 rangi too even
09:56 kivilahtio rangi: i see
09:56 kivilahtio rangi: I was just checking for the new material search
09:56 rangi yep
09:57 kivilahtio hmm, you have a location for ordered items
09:58 kivilahtio rangi: we have a hack to exclude some materials from Fines (mainly childrens materisl) based on the location
09:58 rangi i dont, but yep te takere does :)
09:58 kivilahtio and we need location during the ordering/recewiving phase
09:58 kivilahtio rangi: ah sorry
09:59 kivilahtio well. I think I have a solution :) thanks for listening!
09:59 rangi they host and look after their own koha, we do bits and pieces for them, usually helping with upgrades etc (and design work)
09:59 kivilahtio rangi: ok, so you host some libraries and make developments for others ?
10:00 rangi yeah i think they have on order, and processing, and mending as locations
10:00 rangi kivilahtio: yep
10:00 kivilahtio people use Koha so differently, it is quite powerful
10:00 rangi most of the public libraries host themselves, because they usually are on not great internet connections
10:01 rangi and it's important it is fast in the library
10:01 rangi but we host a bunch of government libraries, and other specials
10:01 kivilahtio rangi: well the servers can be ion their libraries and then you can host from outside?
10:01 kivilahtio but I understand, it is good for the liobraries to be able to host them themselves
10:01 rangi <-- thats a drupal + koha
10:02 rangi[…]ofessional/#/all/  that's a koha saved report (which outputs as json) and then angular to layout the page
10:02 rangi thats the kinda stuff we do
10:05 rangi a few of the publics do all their own upgrades now, its pretty simple on the packages, and they all are part of a council, which has a big IT dept, may as well make them earn their money ;-)
10:06 kivilahtio rangi: so what does the big IT department do? is it for libraries only or for the whole publix sector?
10:06 rangi no each public library will be part of a city council
10:06 rangi and that will have an IT dept
10:06 rangi in nz anyway
10:07 kivilahtio ok
10:11 rangi and now i should go to sleep
10:14 kivilahtio sleep tight
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11:53 akafred Reservations across more than one biblio; say I don't care if I get an item from the 1973 or the 1982 edition of a book, or even if I get either one of Fodor's or Lonely Planet's Travel Guide for Paris ... how does Koha libraries solve this?
12:07 kivilahtio akafred: we dont
12:07 kivilahtio akafred: butwe need that feature as well
12:08 kivilahtio akafred: Also bear in mind, that when you receive serials using the serials module, you cannot place a hold on any serial number, ou can only place holds on a Item
12:08 kivilahtio akafred: we call those holds "parallel holds" where if any hold is caught, all other parallel holds dissolve.
12:09 kivilahtio akafred: The Serial Number reservation issue is another thing, but rather closely tied to this one
12:09 kivilahtio so we need "Parallel reservations" for Biblios and items
12:10 kivilahtio akafred: we are hoping to get that feature in our production sometime this year since it is a rather big issue, especially for the serials deprtment
12:11 akafred As a library user (and library system novice) it is a bit strange that this isn't a common feature in ILSs (the proprietary system used in OPL today has this feature, but only through the interface for the librarians.
12:12 kivilahtio Does anybody kniw where are the tutorial files fro Zebra indexer ( ?
12:13 kivilahtio I just cannot make sense of the xslt-modules. I am trying to add an aggregate index which is calculated from all appearances of a subfield inside on Record.
12:14 kivilahtio so, if a Biblio has 20 Items, of which 952$7 has different values, I want to know if just one of those Items has a special value.
12:15 kivilahtio But that same Item should have another value
12:16 drojf kivilahtio: is there an rfc for parallel reservations? (sounds like you are working on it)
12:16 kivilahtio drojf: I am not working on it
12:16 kivilahtio drojf: we have some improvement regarding holds, but that is something we don't necessarily have to have right now
12:16 drojf ok
12:16 kivilahtio drojf: so we are prioritizing low hanging fruit :)
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12:24 cait akafred: not sure how common it is - i seem to remember symphony had this feature, but I have never seen or heard of it in another ILS
12:25 cait kivilahtio: small steps!
12:25 wahanui small steps are going to be difficult... I'm not pushing anything that I can't even kind of test.
12:25 cait :)
12:27 kivilahtio cait: thanks
12:27 kivilahtio cait: I will take it to heart, when I find it :)
12:27 cait the heart????
12:27 kivilahtio just kidding
12:27 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
12:27 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 5.0°C (1:20 PM CET on February 09, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
12:28 kivilahtio why is the Zebra indexers manual pages stating on the tutorial that there are example files but there are none :(
12:28 drojf need. more. caffeine.
12:28 kivilahtio drojf: I need a vacation :)
12:28 drojf actually, i need sleep. but i'm not going to get that
12:28 drojf yes i'd take vacation too :D
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12:29 kivilahtio drojf: I need somebody to put me to bed before 12:00
12:29 drojf i need somebody to do all the stuff, i would go to bed all by myself in return
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12:40 * cait wont' comment
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12:49 tcohen mornin!
12:50 tcohen hi cait
12:50 cait morning tcohen
12:52 cait hi tcohen :)
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13:14 tcohen any jenkins guru?
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13:26 tcohen Joubu: can u write a folowup with your proposed change for 13602
13:27 tcohen =D
13:49 cait bug 13602
13:49 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13602 major, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Passed QA , Username/password already exists when editing borrower attributes and messaging preferences
13:51 Joubu tcohen: sorry, I am a bit busy today
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13:51 tcohen cait: i have it on my master branch right now
13:53 cait hm?
13:53 cait ah, was just looking up what you were talking about
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13:59 akafred tcohen: I would say I'm a Jenkins guru, but I have managed a couple of Jenkins instances and configured a few jobs ... any particular question? (I don't have admin on the koha-community-jenkins, so if it is related to that I'm a bit crippled...)
13:59 tcohen oh
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14:01 tcohen I get this when loading a task's page:
14:05 akafred tcohen:[…]wse/JENKINS-26496
14:09 akafred tcohen: "Updating Disk Usage to 0.25 indeed fixes the issue." --- seems you need to upgrade a Jenkins plugin ...
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15:27 tcohen akafred: thank, you rule!
15:32 akafred yay! ;.)
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16:53 greenall hey folks
16:54 greenall Can you remind me what I need to do to get Authorised values for LOST to be visible in the item's interface?
16:55 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12543 - Add userid as matchpoint for "Import patrons" tool <[…]adc9f4367c298cee7> / Bug 13404: [QA Follow-up] Minor rewording of some warnings <[…]ec41bc24c82ce93dd> / Bug 13404 [QA Followup] <[…]git;a=commitdiff;
16:55 cait greenall: which page do you mean?
16:56 cait do you mean the pull down on the edit item form?
16:56 greenall "Edit item"
16:56 cait hm it depends on hte version
16:56 greenall That's the one
16:56 greenall 3.18
16:56 cait i think it's recommended that you set the lost sttus from the detail page > items tab - to trigger all the right behaviour
16:57 cait but i think you can make it visible from administration > bibliographic frameworks > 952 > subfields...
16:57 greenall OK, we saw that, it breaks the automated tests we run :D
16:57 greenall We will have to code for that if that is the recommended way of doing things
16:58 greenall cait: thanks :)
16:58 cait np
16:58 cait we don't do much witht he lost status so far, it's still mostly on my #test all the options' list
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17:02 greenall We have many lost statuses (stati?!) and they "*add much benefit for allâ„¢*"
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17:32 jenkins_koha * Marc Veron: Bug 13450 - Title and breadcrumb of Patron form can look weird in translations
17:32 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13450 [QA Followup] - Remove tab character from start of line
17:32 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 13418: Clean C4::VirtualShelves::Page a bit
17:32 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 13418: [QA Follow-up] Use unshift instead of push
17:32 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13450 minor, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Title and breadcrumb of Patron form can look weird in translations
17:32 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 13418: Clean C4::VirtualShelves::Page - Part 2
17:32 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 13638 - Batch patron modification tool missing option to switch language
17:32 jenkins_koha * Olli-Antti Kivilahti: Bug 13602 - Username/password already exists when editing borrower attributes and messaging preferences
17:32 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 13562: Fix item search on item MARC subfields
17:32 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13418 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , The C4::VirtualShelves::Page needs some cleaning
17:32 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 13602: (QA followup) take advantage of the defined-or operator
17:32 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 13352: On editing, prices should not be formatted
17:32 jenkins_koha * Bug 13352: QA Follow-up: Remove Price filter from "Warning at (%)"
17:32 jenkins_koha * Fridolin Somers: Bug 13401 - sort branches alphabetically in admin/
17:32 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13638 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Batch patron modification tool missing option to switch language
17:32 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13602 major, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Pushed to Master , Username/password already exists when editing borrower attributes and messaging preferences
17:32 jenkins_koha * Mirko Tietgen: Bug 13404 - More System information about GRS1 vs DOM settings
17:32 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13404 [QA Followup]
17:32 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13562 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Item search: Not possible to add other search fields from 952?
17:32 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 13404: [QA Follow-up] Minor rewording of some warnings
17:32 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 12543 - Add userid as matchpoint for "Import patrons" tool
17:32 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13352 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Editing amount in Acquisitions budget causes error due to formatting
17:32 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13401 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , sort branches alphabetically in admin/
17:32 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13404 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Master , More System information about GRS1 vs DOM settings
17:32 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12543 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add userid as matchpoint for "Import patrons" tool
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18:18 rsz tcohen: hi, do I need to do --create-db after --populate-db?
18:19 tcohen rsz: you don't need --populate-db if you are reusing an external DB
18:19 rsz I thought of keeping my working koha version untouched, so I am going ahead with a from scratch db..
18:20 rsz I am done doing populate-db..
18:20 rsz it said: Koha instance is empty, no staff user created.
18:20 rsz (is this good news or bad news)?
18:21 tcohen rsz: i'm not sure what are you trying to do
18:22 rsz after populate db when I do a2enmod <lib>; it says module <lib> does not exist(probably apache)
18:22 rsz just confirm if I need to do create-db after populate-db?
18:23 rsz I will summarize my steps here: 1)created koha-common.cnf(for remote db settings) 2)did request-db 3)got db,user,grants done on remote db 4)done calling populate-db
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18:27 * rsz_ is wondering to proceed with --create-db or not!?
18:42 rsz_ I went ahead with --create-db, my server says instance is up & running, webpage says koha's sorry unavailable page!
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18:52 rsz_ I am unable to load my <serverip>/cgi-bin/koha/ page for configuration, what could be wrong!?
18:55 tcohen @later tell Joubu please remind me the bug # for the failing acq tests
18:55 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
19:06 tcohen later #koha
19:06 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13007: DBIC updates <[…]89a801c84418674fa> / Bug 13007: DBRev <[…]e4388a855d35adbc3> / Bug 13007: Special case budgetid == '' <[…]492f779240d04ffc2> / Bug 13
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19:10 cait hi #koha
19:26 magnuse hi cait
19:27 cait hi magnuse
19:31 magnuse @wunder boo
19:31 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (8:20 PM CET on February 09, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.33 in 993 hPa (Steady).
19:31 magnuse summer!
19:31 wahanui well, summer is here now
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20:00 magnuse wb tcohen
20:01 tcohen hi magnuse
20:01 tcohen isn't it pizza time yet?
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20:05 cait it's not friday?
20:06 * tcohen thought it was all dyas
20:06 tcohen :-D
20:06 tcohen was thinking of the tiem of the day
20:06 tcohen git-bz?
20:06 wahanui somebody said git-bz was at[…]_bz_configuration
20:06 tcohen thanks wahanui
20:08 magnuse friday
20:08 magnuse friday?
20:08 magnuse friday is pizzaday
20:09 magnuse not every day is pizzaday :-)
20:15 cait that makes me sad
20:18 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5511: DBRev <[…]1fb4fa81b0d954477> / Bug 10900: 2 occurrences more <[…]9f2811e3d74b35e1e> / Bug 10900 - Follow up, since more has been added to master <[…]3c361cc56128b2482
20:18 rangi morning
20:18 rangi @wunder nzwn
20:18 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (9:00 AM NZDT on February 10, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa (Rising).
20:19 cait morning :)
20:19 tcohen morning rangi!
20:20 rangi[…]bf9da0825e2f4f39:
20:20 rangi for those who are interested
20:20 rangi thats what makes the patches pushed and signoffs bit on the dashboard
20:20 tcohen YAY!
20:20 rangi please update the orgmap file if you want
20:20 rangi tcohen: i seen manuel has a signoff already!
20:21 tcohen ah, yes, he deserved it
20:21 tcohen he stood against the screen with me a long pushing sesssion
20:21 tcohen :-P
20:21 rangi heh
20:23 tcohen I thought no one would notice
20:23 tcohen :-D
20:24 rangi i see everything ;)
20:24 cait heh it's true
20:24 rangi opinions on bug 13235
20:24 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13235 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Revise layout of patron search form
20:25 rangi push for 3.18.4 .. leave for 3.20 only?
20:25 cait hm it reverts back
20:25 rangi so its fixing a regression?
20:25 cait i'd like to have it back
20:25 cait easier for translations
20:25 rangi right, if its a regression fix, all good
20:25 cait it revets an accidental change that came in with 9811
20:26 rangi ah yep, ok cool thanks
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20:47 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #306: NOW UNSTABLE in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_D7/306/
20:47 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 12842: Add DDC classification numbers to MARC21 XSLT detail page
20:47 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 13201: GetSuggestion takes suggestionid
20:47 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13298 - Holds ratios report ignores ordered items
20:47 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13299 - Add home library column to the holds ratios report
20:47 jenkins_koha * Mark Tompsett: Bug 11954 - Clean up currency default files
20:47 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12842 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Add classification to MARC21 XSLT detail page
20:47 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12944: Refactor the patron autocomplete
20:47 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12944: Search orders by basket creator
20:47 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13201 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , GetSuggestion takes suggestionid
20:47 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 12944 [Patron lists follow-up] There is no way to search orders by creator
20:47 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12944: The autocomplete should only be applied for the form
20:47 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12944: Fix regression on translating
20:47 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 12944: (QA followup) fix POD errors from
20:47 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13298 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Holds ratios report ignores ordered items
20:47 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13299 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add home library column to the holds ratios report
20:47 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 13007: Add a foreign key for suggestions.budgetid
20:47 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 13007: Special case budgetid == ''
20:47 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11954 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Clean up currency default files
20:47 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 13007: DBRev
20:47 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 13007: DBIC updates
20:47 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12944 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , There is no way to search orders by creator
20:47 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13007 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , suggestions.budgetid should be a foreign key
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21:21 jenkins_koha Starting build #44 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:27 eythian hi
21:27 wahanui kia ora, eythian
21:27 cait hi eythian
21:29 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #307: NOW UNSTABLE in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_D7/307/
21:29 jenkins_koha * Amit Gupta: Bug - 5511: Check for Change in Remote IP address for Session Security. Disable when remote ip address changes frequently.
21:29 jenkins_koha * Amit Gupta: Bug - 5511: Added new system preference: SessionRestrictionByIP
21:29 jenkins_koha * Martin Renvoize: Bug - 5511 [Followup]: Switched defults
21:29 jenkins_koha * Martin Renvoize: Bug - 5511 [Followup]: Missed Instance
21:29 jenkins_koha * Bug - 5511 [Followup]: QA Fixes
21:29 jenkins_koha * Brandon: Bug 10177 - whitespace is a valid password causing pernicious perturbations.
21:29 jenkins_koha * Brandon: Bug 10177 - Whitespace is accepted within the password but leading and trailing spaces are not.
21:29 jenkins_koha * Mark Tompsett: Bug 10900 - Incorrect calling conventions accessing C4::Context
21:29 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10177 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Koha Accepts Seven "Space" Characters as a Valid Password
21:29 jenkins_koha * Mark Tompsett: Bug 10900 - Follow up, since more has been added to master
21:29 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10900: 2 occurrences more
21:29 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10900 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Incorrect calling conventions accessing C4::Context
21:29 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 5511: DBRev
21:29 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5511 normal, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, Pushed to Master , Check for Change in Remote IP address for Session Security. Disable when remote ip address changes frequently.
21:32 cait eclipse--
21:33 cait for not even starting after being installed
21:41 eythian hello cait
21:41 eythian why isn't it starting?
21:41 cait hi eythian
21:41 cait i have no idea
21:42 cait it installed without a problem
21:42 cait it asks for where to put the workspace
21:42 cait i say ok... and then it dies.
21:42 cait and i have not the patience to deal with that at this time of the evening. so i uninstaled it again
21:42 eythian ah
21:42 eythian how did you install it?
21:42 cait software center
21:43 cait or whatever they call that in english :)
21:43 eythian I'd grab it from the eclipse site, the one in distros is quite often out of date
21:43 cait i will probably install it all in my windows partition
21:43 cait the course i need it for seems to be written for windows users
21:43 eythian softwarecentrum here, I think
21:44 cait also asks for other stuff tha tmight not run in linux
21:44 eythian there's virtually no difference between using it in windows and linux, in my experience (using it to make cross-platform java software.)
21:44 eythian but, grab the one from the eclipse site either way, it's more likely to work
21:46 eythian and it's just a matter of un-tarring it and running ./eclipse
21:47 cait yeah, but i might still go the other route... not sure i want to install tomcat and the other stuff in linux yet
21:47 cait when all the instrauctions in the course are windows
21:47 cait i don't have a lot of time to figure out things - might go the easy way
21:48 eythian heh, tomcat in linux is the easy way.
21:48 cait heh
21:48 eythian that is likely to be safely apt-get installable
21:49 cait i understand you, but i still might do it differently ;)
21:49 * eythian ran a glassfish (which is like tomcat) server for several years at my last company.
21:49 cait this is not for play or fun... it's for the distance study
21:49 cait so i'd like to follow the book closely for once and avoid getting stuck
21:50 eythian fair enough, that's what VMs are for
21:53 eythian https://punkrockor.wordpress.c[…]g-is-np-complete/ <-- for people where it's snowing
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22:07 jenkins_koha Starting build #45 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:25 dcook Mmm Java apps
22:25 * dcook gives his sympathy to cait
22:26 cait thx...
22:26 cait dcook: i was wodnering, do you remember which setting collides with icu?
22:26 dcook Mmm, I think it might be Fuzzy
22:26 dcook Not 100% sure but I think it's Fuzzy
22:26 cait thought it might be fuzzy or field weighting
22:26 dcook Field weighting should be all right, although fuzzy only works with field weighting turned on
22:27 cait but in our one installation using it currently stemming is turned offand everything else on
22:27 cait it's quite confusing :)
22:27 rangi @wunder nzwn
22:27 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on February 10, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.48 in 1032 hPa (Rising).
22:27 dcook cait: Totally confusing :)
22:27 cait ok, so fuzzy + feidl weighting...
22:27 cait might have to figure it out as we go
22:27 rangi im glad its not warm today, we have no windows that open and no aircon
22:27 cait is there some obvious bug?
22:27 dcook There's also this lovely thing where field weighting can be turned off in complex queries because of bad variable scoping..
22:27 cait @wunder Konstanz
22:27 huginn cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 1.0°C (11:27 PM CET on February 09, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Falling).
22:27 dcook rangi: Ouch..
22:27 dcook @wunder syd
22:27 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney Airport, New South Wales is 24.0°C (9:00 AM AEDT on February 10, 2015). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1025 hPa (Rising).
22:27 * dcook feels a bit warm today
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22:38 andreashm hello everyone
22:39 cait hi andreashm
22:41 andreashm hi cait
22:45 andreashm anyone here going to the hackfest in march?
22:50 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
22:50 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
22:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_D7 build #51: FIXED in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_3.18.x_D7/51/
22:50 jenkins_koha * Thomas: Bug 10241 - Easy analyticals creates two 773 fields. Search/link from host to children is broken
22:50 jenkins_koha * Mark Tompsett: Bug 13457: Suggestions.t expects sample itemtypes
22:50 jenkins_koha * Mark Tompsett: Bug 13457 - Followup for CPL and S codes
22:53 cait andreashm: yep
22:53 andreashm great
22:54 cait are you from stockhom?
22:56 andreashm I am
22:56 andreashm And going to the hackfest too.
22:57 cait I spotted an andreas on the spreadsheet - figured that might be you :)
22:58 andreashm yeah, not that great at good pseudonyms. =)
22:59 andreashm updated the spreadsheet with the nick. so I guess I have to stick with it.
23:00 andreashm but time to head off to bed unfortunately. got to remember to stop by here during daytime and not just lurking around late at night
23:00 cait :)
23:00 cait at night time you get nz here
23:00 cait at day time europe
23:00 cait well nz and australia... (sorry dcook)
23:01 cait there is always someone on
23:01 andreashm always someone here, I guess
23:01 andreashm I was just reading up on some of the rest api stuff from last weeks irc meeting. very interesting.
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23:03 andreashm ok, bye cait (and everyone else)
23:03 cait bye andreashm
23:03 barton_away good '(morning|afternoon|evening|day)' #koha
23:04 barton_away cait, can I ask you a zebra index quetion, or are you headed for bed?
23:04 cait bed time sorry
23:04 cait midnight here
23:04 cait night all
23:04 wahanui goodnight cait. You'll be back.
23:05 barton_away (I suppose when I ask that way, I'm liable to get a quick *oh! well will you look at the time!* ;-)
23:06 barton_away g'nigh cait.
23:06 cait heh
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23:06 dcook Wow... I just had the worst experience with some people on the OpenSuse IRC channel...
23:07 dcook Unbelievably rude and abrasive
23:07 barton_away it's a simple question, actully -- are there limits on the lenght of zebra index names? I'm seeing some things fail, and I don't know why...
23:07 barton_away that's no fun, dcook.
23:07 dcook hehe, thanks cait :)
23:08 dcook barton_away: I can probably help you when it comes to Zebra
23:08 dcook barton_away: Yeah, it was really unpleasant :(
23:08 dcook barton_away: As for your question, I'm not sure. What's failing?
23:08 barton_away dcook -- I'll pastebin it.
23:09 * dcook thumbs up]
23:15 dcook Really still sour about that OpenSuse thing
23:16 eythian <-- dcook
23:16 dcook Haha
23:16 dcook Pretty much
23:16 dcook Yeah, I've thought that one for a while...
23:17 dcook That sort of explains trolls in general
23:17 dcook If that had happened here, I would've been embarrassed by the trolls
23:17 eythian wahanui: anonymity is
23:17 wahanui OK, eythian.
23:17 dcook But, as they said "40% of the people couldn't care less, and everyone else is AFK"
23:18 * dcook shakes head
23:18 dcook If I didn't have a selfish desire to get this bug fixed, I just wouldn't bother contributing there..
23:19 eythian yeah, it's often all too easy for groups to become toxic. Especially on IRC.
23:20 dcook Yeah, I suppose I should be surprised it's not more widespread
23:20 dcook I've just had really good experiences on OFTC and freenode overall
23:20 dcook Although one day I was in #chef asking a question, and while people were really nice and friendly to me...
23:20 dcook Someone else, who appeared to be a developer, said some rather offensive stuff
23:20 dcook To someone else or just in general.. it was a bit shocking
23:22 dcook Oh well. Experience logged for next time.
23:22 eythian you're just spoilt by #koha
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23:23 dcook Hehe
23:23 dcook A little bit for sure
23:24 dcook barton_away: Is that paste still on the way?
23:27 barton_away yep, still composing
23:28 dcook Cool :)
23:28 dcook I'll keep an eye on the channel :)
23:28 * eythian -> meeting
23:31 barton_away dcook:
23:32 barton_away I think that the crux of the matter is the error '    [114] Unsupported Use attribute -- v2 addinfo '1068'
23:33 barton_away ... but there's definitely a '1068' in
23:33 dcook Ah, but only maps a bib-1 attribute with a short-cut name
23:33 dcook You need to check if it's in...
23:33 dcook bib1.att
23:34 dcook Hmm, it does appear in my bib1.att... but that's the place to check
23:35 barton_away yep: ./etc/zebradb/biblios/etc/bib1.att:att 1068    bibliographic-reference
23:35 dcook I suppose another possibility... is that it's an empty index
23:35 dcook If I recall correctly, if the index is empty, it'll give you an error like that
23:35 * dcook will look some more at that paste and his own koha as well
23:36 dcook Yeah I'm getting that same error in yaz-client
23:36 dcook Let's see..
23:36 barton_away dcook: so you're saying that if the index exists, but there's no data indexed, you'll get that type of error?
23:37 dcook pretty sure
23:37 dcook not 100% sure, but I think so
23:37 dcook Something in my brain suggests this
23:37 dcook You'll find the same thing happens if a database is empty
23:37 dcook Like if there are no indexed records in "biblios", it'll say "biblios is unavailable"
23:37 dcook Now "biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml" isn't exactly the file you want
23:37 dcook You want to double-check...
23:37 barton_away hm. well I *think* that I have data that should match, but I can always run xsltproc across the marcxml and see...
23:38 dcook biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl
23:38 wahanui biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl is automatically regenerated from biblio-koha-indexdefs.
23:38 dcook I'd double-check "biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl" to see if it's indexing it first
23:38 barton_away right... I'll need to use the biblio-zebra ...
23:38 dcook Then double-check your data
23:39 dcook My dev install doesn't index "bibliographic-reference" (or "Reference" as it's called in my version)
23:39 dcook So I bet you that's probably it
23:39 barton_away yep,.. we talked about six or eight weeks ago.
23:39 dcook Well, I don't actually bet...
23:39 * dcook isn't very good at gambling
23:39 barton_away heh.
23:40 * barton_away knows how to make a small fortune gambling: start with a big fortune ....
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23:53 barton_away dcook: I ran xsltproc on ./kohaclone/etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc​21/biblios/biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl, using the marcxml for the record that I thought should match ... it did in fact show   <z:index name="bibliographic-reference:w">MLA international bibliography of books and articles on the modern languages and literatures (Complete edition)</z:index>
23:53 dcook Interesting!
23:53 wahanui i heard interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad
23:54 dcook Hmm
23:54 dcook I suppose there is another thing you could try which I should've had you try before ;)
23:54 dcook In yaz-client, try:
23:54 dcook "format xml"
23:54 dcook "elements index"
23:54 dcook then do a search that you know will return the record you want
23:55 dcook That'll show you whether Zebra has that indexed content
23:55 barton_away yeah, I know that trick ... that was going to be my next thing.
23:55 dcook Best trick :D
23:55 eythian meeting over, that was pleasantly short
23:55 dcook short meetings are the best meetings
23:59 eythian this explains a lot about Germany I guess:

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