Time Nick Message 00:00 jcamins eythian: do we like Rabobank? 00:00 jcamins Never mind. 00:00 wahanui Good, I'm glad you figured it out. I didn't understand, and probably never will, being a bot. 00:01 jcamins There is a Rabobank branch in New York, but they don't offer service in the US outside of California. 00:01 jcamins They also apparently only do agriculture. 00:02 rangi jcamins: they are a bank .. it's pretty hard to like banks 00:03 jcamins rangi: yeah, I know. I have yet to meet one that I like. Which is why I was so excited by the thought that eythian had found one he liked. 00:03 rangi yeah 00:04 eythian I've never used them, except getting spam claiming to be from them. 00:04 jcamins eythian: oh. 00:12 dcook I wonder what a Rabobank scanner would be.. 00:12 dcook Maybe they meant your Rabobank scammer 00:12 dcook They've been found and are now ready for use 00:14 jcamins dcook: for checks. 00:15 eythian nobody uses checks 00:15 eythian or even calls them that 00:16 * dcook can't remember the last time he used a cheque 00:16 dcook I wanted to make a joke about checks and balances... 00:16 dcook But I think I was thinking of scales.. 00:16 rangi i dont think ive owned a chequebook in at least 10 years 00:16 dcook yeah, it must be around the 10 year mark 00:17 dcook I think I needed some maybe 8-9 years ago for a very specific purpose.. 00:17 dcook Oh, rent 00:17 rangi i wonder what other countries still use them, i know the US still uses them quite a bit 00:17 dcook I used cheques to pay rent in... 2007-2009, I think 00:17 dcook No, 2007-2010. Wow.. 00:17 dcook I think Canada still allows them but they're pretty uncommon 00:17 rangi they are still allowed here 00:18 dcook I got a cheque from the ATO when I gave them the wrong bank details :p 00:18 jcamins rangi: we use them a lot, that's for sure. 00:18 rangi i think last one was a bank cheque, for the house deposit 00:18 eythian I used to pay my power bill with one, in about 2000, as I didn't have reliable internet at my flat 00:19 rangi that would have been hmm 2004 ish 00:19 rangi i have a bank of america chequebook somewhere 00:19 rangi they give accounts to everybody 00:19 rangi i just walked into a branch in california, and got a bank account 00:20 eythian ...and a rifle? :) 00:20 rangi probably why they needed to be bailed out 00:20 rangi heh, thats only in colorado 00:20 rangi i forget what bank that was, and knowing michael moore was a set up anyway. he makes good points, but then ruins them by making shit up also 00:21 jcamins rangi: you'd think that taking everyone's money would have reduced the need for bailing the banks out. 00:21 rangi you'd think :) 00:21 rangi they did give me an overdraft too 00:21 dcook rangi: " he makes good points, but then ruins them by making shit up also" so much that 00:22 dcook I think it was "Sicko" that sickened me the most... 00:22 jcamins rangi: I feel like as a USian I should've been offered overdraft when setting up an account in 2004. 00:22 dcook Lots of made up shit 00:22 dcook Lots of true stuff too of course.. 00:23 jcamins I mean, if any dude with a nice accent can walk into a bank and get an overdraft, doesn't my seemingly-Canadian accent count? 00:23 rangi jcamins: i thought they were giving away mortgages still at that point 00:23 jcamins They were. I probably could've gotten a mortgage had I asked. 00:23 rangi here you have a 1% deposit .. and no way of paying it back, have a 200k mortgag 00:23 rangi e 00:23 rangi yeah 00:24 jcamins Not that I would have used overdraft, but I've always wondered why everyone treats it as commonplace, when I've never been given the option of getting it. 00:47 dcook Man... a 200k mortgage... that'd be all right.. 00:47 * dcook figures he'll end his life in a cardboard box 00:47 dcook Wait, that came out wrong 00:49 eythian heh 00:51 rangi there are still lots of places you can get a big house for 200k in nz . .. just no one wants to live there 00:52 rangi http://www.realestate.co.nz/2471894 <-- my grandparents old house 00:53 jcamins rangi: there are lots of places in the US you can get a big house for less than half that. 00:53 jcamins Not near me, though. 00:54 rangi yeah you can buy all of detroit for like 20 cents or something 00:54 jcamins lol 00:55 dcook I thought detroit was on the upswing these days 00:55 rangi ok 40cents then 00:55 * dcook recalls when a fellow library worker was planning to buy a house for 20 cents 00:55 jcamins True, but there are even places where you can have a green lawn instead of a gray one. 00:55 dcook rangi: So why don't people want to live in your grandparent's old house? 00:56 dcook grandparents'* 00:56 rangi its in whanganui 00:56 dcook I don't know where that is, but I suppose somewhere less desirable 00:56 dcook For some reason I read "nz" as "wellington" 00:56 jcamins Oh, yeah, whanagnui. Too much sun and not enough snow. 00:56 rangi it;s fine, but there arent many jobs there 00:57 dcook Yeah, that's the thing :/ 00:57 dcook I wouldn't mind living in heaps of places probably... so long as there was work I wanted there 00:57 rangi i lived there from age 8 to 17 00:57 rangi good place for kids 00:57 dcook I mean... I originally come from a village of 200 people. 00:57 dcook Yeah? 00:57 rangi but no university 00:57 dcook Admittedly, I was glad when I left my 500 person town at 18.. 00:57 rangi the council in the 50s voted against it 00:57 rangi and it went to palmerston north instead 00:58 dcook Voted against a university? Weird.. 00:58 rangi which is 1.5 hours car ride away 00:58 rangi yeah, people are mental 00:58 jcamins Isn't Palmerston North a Koha library? 00:58 dcook :/ 00:58 dcook My parents live 30 minutes from the university I graduated from... and I figured that was too far :p 00:58 rangi there's a theosophical society in palmy that is 00:58 dcook I also didn't want to live with my parents, because I was silly 00:58 jcamins That must be what I was thinking of. 00:58 rangi but not the public or uni 00:59 rangi maybe the polytech there soon tho 00:59 rangi (college in us speak) 01:35 * eythian steals content from dcook's email to make this bug report. 01:38 dcook \o/ 01:38 dcook I think that should probably be enough info 01:38 eythian yeah 01:38 dcook Sort of a big deal when it comes to ICU 01:38 dcook Which I imagine must be used a fair bit... 01:38 * eythian wonders if the severity should be 'important' or 'normal' 01:39 * dcook wonders that too 01:39 eythian Probably can't really justify important: "a bug which has a major effect on the usability of a package, without rendering it completely unusable to everyone." 01:39 eythian vs: "a bug that does not undermine the usability of the whole package; for example, a problem with a particular option or menu item." 01:40 dcook Mmm 01:40 dcook Totally the latter 01:40 eythian I think it's realistically more the latter 01:41 dcook When is Jessie being released? 01:41 dcook I'm never sure :S 01:41 dcook or rather, I'm never sure of its status 01:43 eythian when it's ready 01:43 eythian I don't think there's a date set, just when they get all the release critical bugs out 01:44 dcook Mmm 01:46 dcook Yikes, looks like they have a few to do... 01:46 eythian RC1 is out now, and the flow of updates is slowing down 01:46 dcook https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=776910 01:46 eythian https://release.debian.org/jessie/freeze_policy.html <-- yeah, an update to zebra so isn't getting in 01:48 dcook Yeah, I was just reading through bits of that 01:49 dcook So might that mean using the Indexdata apt repository? Or referring people to it if they're using ICU and Jessie/Vivid? 01:50 * dcook figures he's probably in the wrong timezone for OpenSuse folks.. 01:50 eythian it might, yeah 01:50 dcook I'm curious about the facet problems that people are encountering too 01:50 dcook Actually, I might take a look at that right now as I have a system with 2.0.59.. 01:51 eythian I'd need to have a whole new section of the repo to handle zebra, and I really, really don't want to do that. 01:51 dcook Yeah, I imagine that wouldn't be too fun 01:52 dcook I"m having no problem with facets on 2.0.59... 01:53 dcook Now when was I talking about that with cait.. 01:54 eythian IRC should be logged into elasticsearch to make searching easier. 01:54 dcook :D 01:54 dcook Does it even have a search function now? 01:54 eythian what? 01:54 dcook Huh.. looks like 01:54 eythian oh 01:54 eythian yeah can google it 01:54 * dcook always just googles for it 01:57 eythian damnit, that bug didn't send because exim wasn't configured on my dev vm 01:57 eythian oh, but the bounce has the content, so that's OK 01:58 dcook :D 02:27 eythian https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=777515 <-- dcook 02:29 dcook Cool beans 02:29 dcook eythian++ 02:29 dcook You're a champion 02:38 wizzyrea someone needs to make a gandalf meme about debian 02:38 wizzyrea "Debian is never late or early. Debian arrives precisely when it means to." 02:39 dcook lol 02:39 dcook debian? 02:39 wahanui well, debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that 02:39 dcook debian? 02:39 wahanui rumour has it debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that 02:39 dcook debian is also Debian is never late or early. Debian arrives precisely when it means to. 02:39 wahanui okay, dcook. 02:39 dcook debian ? 02:39 wahanui hmmm... debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that 02:39 dcook debian ? 02:39 wahanui i guess debian is Debian is never late or early. Debian arrives precisely when it means to. 02:39 dcook Damn.. 02:40 dcook should've saw that coming 02:40 dcook eythian: Any ideas on how to make wahanui selectively forget things? 02:40 wizzyrea http://memegenerator.net/instance/58966371 02:40 eythian dcook: why? that's half the fun :) 02:40 dcook hehe, wizzyrea 02:41 eythian wizzyrea: that's the wrong gandalf 02:41 wizzyrea true. 02:41 wizzyrea it should be a grey one. 02:41 wizzyrea but I didn't want confused gandalf. 02:41 wizzyrea or maybe that's more apt. 02:42 wizzyrea http://memegenerator.net/instance/58966432 02:42 wizzyrea I suppose there are people who run debian on apple hardware. 02:42 dcook Also good :) 02:43 dcook Heaps probably 02:43 wizzyrea let's just pretend, for fun, that gandalf, if he were a real wizard, that he'd do that. 02:43 dcook It seems like so many photos I see of people programming are of people on Apple laptops 02:43 wizzyrea no manky old osx for gandalf no sir-ee 02:43 dcook What do you mean "real" wizard? 02:44 wizzyrea oh right gandalf is real. 02:44 dcook I'm sure he's around somewhere 02:44 dcook Probably chilling out with a pipe 02:44 wizzyrea pretty sure I saw him out in miramar once. 02:45 dcook I figure having a huge white/grey beard must be the ultimate disguise 02:45 dcook I mean... cartoon characters have been proving this for years 02:45 dcook But really 02:45 dcook They all look the same 02:45 * dcook is looking forward to white/grey hair 02:46 * wizzyrea is not 02:46 wizzyrea but then again, I don't have the genes for grey hair. 02:46 dcook Genes for grey hair? 02:47 dcook Actually, I don't know what colour hair I currently have 02:47 dcook Sometimes it looks dark blond, or grey, or brown 02:47 * eythian recommends a mirror occasionaly 02:47 dcook Flecks of red or white from time to time 02:47 dcook eythian: Oh, I look in the mirror, but it depends on the light :S 02:47 eythian just so you don't get surprised if you see yourself on a window or something, 02:48 eythian *in 02:49 wizzyrea https://thenewsconduit.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/02_rtr1wcmp.jpg 02:53 dcook eythian: Well, I think I know how I look mostly overall. 02:53 dcook wizzyrea: That was life back in Canada 02:53 wizzyrea except your lips were actually stuck to the glass. 02:53 dcook Only if the heating is turned off 02:54 wizzyrea hehe 02:54 dcook I've never actually stuck anything to anything frozen 02:54 dcook I could feel skin starting to adhere, and went "nope, nope, nope" 02:54 dcook Honestly, who thinks telling someone "Don't lick that cold piece of metal" is actually going to stop them? 02:54 * dcook was just more cautious than the other stupid kids :p 02:55 dcook Well, not stupid... 02:55 dcook [off] for the non-Australians... http://www.sbs.com.au/comedy/fragment/abbott-thrilled-only-40-party-hate-him 02:57 eythian heh yeah 02:57 eythian [off] I was surprised he wasn't kicked, tbh. 02:58 eythian but I know nothing about internal party politics there. 03:01 dcook [off] I would've been surprised if they had kicked him. It would've been a nightmare for them, but yeah... it's a bit complicated I guess. 03:08 eythian dcook: regarding that autotruncation thing from last week: 03:08 eythian > we can't identify any instances where auto-truncate was actually doing anything - even disabled, searches still resolve correctly. Are there actually situations where auto-truncate will return results that queryfuzzy would not? 03:08 eythian > (for example, we expected a search term like 'tra', which matches no items in our catalogue, would only return results with auto-truncate on, but with that disabled we're still getting truncated results.) 03:09 eythian which is correct, 'tra' returns things about training etc. 03:09 eythian any ideas? 03:09 wahanui any ideas are welcome :) 03:11 dcook Hmm 03:12 dcook I don't think fuzzy would impact that 03:13 eythian nevertheless, it seems that zebra is doing something truncaty on its own perhaps\ 03:13 dcook Well...that gives me an idea 03:13 dcook Just give me a sec 03:14 dcook I don't know why I never thought of that before.. 03:14 eythian telling zebra to do right truncation itself? 03:14 dcook Hmm? 03:14 dcook I have a tip for you if you're able to use yaz-client 03:14 dcook In this situation 03:14 dcook "format xml" 03:14 dcook "elements zebra::snippet" 03:15 dcook It'll show you the index/indexed value used to determine the hit :) 03:15 dcook So I did a search for "e" 03:15 dcook And here is my first result: 03:15 pastebot "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "zebra::snippet" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/404 03:16 eythian where is your actual search in that? 03:16 dcook find e 03:16 dcook It was above the cut, sorry 03:16 eythian ah k 03:16 eythian Search was a bloomin' failure. 03:16 eythian [109] Database unavailable -- v2 addinfo 'Default' 03:16 eythian oh 03:16 eythian hmm 03:17 dcook "base biblios" 03:17 eythian yaz-client talks on the socket, right? 03:17 eythian oh 03:17 dcook Sorry, I should've done from start to finish on this one 03:17 eythian that's better 03:17 dcook You might still get an error if your zebra conf isn't set up right 03:17 eythian [25] Specified element set name not valid for specified database -- v2 addinfo 'zebra::snippet' 03:17 dcook But it sounds like it was all right? 03:17 dcook Ah, k 03:17 dcook I can help with that too :) 03:18 dcook You're using DOM? 03:18 eythian uhm 03:18 eythian I think so 03:18 dcook Can you show me your contents of "retrieval-info-bib-dom.xml"? 03:19 pastebot "eythian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "./zebradb/retrieval-info-bib-dom.xml" (22 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/405 03:19 dcook Cool, that's what I thought. 03:19 dcook I'll paste the changed version 03:20 pastebot "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "zebra conf for zebra::*" (23 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/406 03:20 dcook I think newer versions of Koha have that 03:20 eythian just that xml line? 03:20 dcook Yep 03:21 dcook In git, we have "<retrieval syntax="xml" name="zebra::*"/>" as well, but it's unnecessary 03:21 dcook Once you add that, restart Zebra, and then try the search again 03:21 dcook And it should work 03:21 dcook Just make sure you add that line where I put it 03:21 dcook If you put it lower than the other "xml" elements, it won't work right 03:21 dcook The nameless element has to be before named ones 03:22 dcook (I can't remember how much experimenting that took to learn... way too much :P) 03:22 eythian Diagnostic message(s) from database: 03:22 eythian [25] Specified element set name not valid for specified database -- v2 addinfo 'zebra::snippet' 03:22 dcook And you've restarted the zebra server? 03:23 eythian yeah 03:23 dcook Well, exited out of yaz-client, restarted the zebra server, and gone back into yaz-client? 03:23 dcook and you did "format xml"? 03:23 eythian yep 03:23 dcook That's quite odd then 03:24 eythian your paste 406 doesn't have the zebra:: bits 03:24 dcook Yeah, it shouldn't need them 03:24 dcook You can try that though 03:24 eythian where do they go? 03:24 eythian and what do they look like? 03:25 dcook <retrieval syntax="xml" name="zebra::*"/> 03:25 dcook As the last element after <retrieval syntax="xml" name="marcxml" 03:25 dcook identifier="info:srw/schema/1/marcxml-v1.1"/> 03:25 eythian k 03:25 dcook Hmm, maybe you do need that bit after all.. 03:25 eythian yeah 03:26 eythian that did something 03:26 dcook Weird, I would've sworn it didn't. Oh well. That's cool :). Lesson learned :D 03:26 dcook Is that helping? 03:27 eythian well, I don't know what I'm looking for 03:27 dcook When I try "tra" I'm getting callnumbers that match 03:27 eythian I just get the record 03:27 dcook Can you paste in the result of "list_all"? 03:27 pastebot "eythian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "list_all" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/407 03:28 dcook Ah, you need to set your elements 03:28 dcook Those haven't been set yet 03:28 eythian oh 03:28 eythian yeah, I realised that just after I pasted that :) 03:28 dcook :) 03:28 eythian [25] Specified element set name not valid for specified database -- v2 addinfo 'zebra::snippet' 03:28 eythian :/ 03:28 dcook :/ 03:29 dcook Ahh, I wonder if you are using DOM... 03:29 dcook Can you check your koha-conf.xml? 03:29 dcook That would explain that one 03:29 eythian <config>/etc/koha/sites/msd/zebra-biblios-dom.cfg</config> 03:30 dcook Can y ou look a few elements lower from that one? 03:30 dcook Is there a "<xi:include>"? 03:30 eythian <xi:include href="/etc/koha/marc21-retrieval-info-bib-dom.xml" 03:30 dcook Hmm, ahh 03:30 dcook That would be the file to use 03:30 dcook I had you editing the wrong one 03:30 eythian oh 03:30 dcook Mine is "/home/dcook/koha-dev/etc/zebradb/retrieval-info-bib-dom.xml" 03:31 dcook Yours is gitified, I guess? 03:31 eythian no, package 03:31 dcook Ah, that would do it 03:31 dcook Well, if you change that file to include those <retrieval> elements from before 03:31 dcook Then restart zebra, then go back into yaz-client, haha 03:31 dcook Then it should work :) 03:31 eythian cool :) 03:31 dcook :D 03:33 eythian ok, that works 03:33 eythian hah 03:33 eythian the results are actually from the call numbers 03:34 dcook Thought that might be it :) 03:35 dcook I just learned about "zebra::snippet" last week actually, but it looks pretty handy 03:36 dcook Yay! 03:36 * dcook likes being helpful 03:36 * eythian puts this in the wiki 03:36 dcook Excellent idea 03:37 dcook Share the link? 03:37 eythian no, I'm going to put it in the wiki and then keep it private! 03:37 dcook hehe 03:37 dcook "They'll never find it! Muahahah!" 03:38 dcook I should probably share more about Zebra... 03:39 dcook The problem with learning things and not writing them down... you don't remember what you've learned in an easy to explain way 03:39 dcook It's just part of this amorphous knowledge cluster in your brain.. 03:41 dcook In other news: http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/lean-takings-as-tightwad-diners-exploit-lentil-as-anythings-philosophy-20150209-138wvk.html 03:41 dcook Can't say that this surprises me. 03:42 dcook Although for $12... I know where I need to go to eat next... 03:49 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_Zebra#Why_does_a_search_return_that_result <-- dcook 03:52 dcook Cheers :) 03:53 eythian this seems to be my personal "oh, that's a useful thing to know" page 03:53 dcook hehe 03:54 dcook Well, when it comes to Zebra, I don't know how best to go about it 03:54 dcook Because it's a pretty big topic 03:54 dcook I've thought about making a page to point to all the zebra pages... or maybe a category or something 03:54 eythian yeah, that's why I figure a cookbook thing is the most useful 03:54 dcook cookbook thing? 03:55 eythian it's a style of book for programming things 03:55 eythian here's a problem -> here's an example solution 03:56 dcook Ahh, I getcha 03:56 dcook I thought you meant in terms of organizing all the different info about Zebra 03:56 dcook Yeah, I like problem -> solution things 03:59 dcook Hmm, seems like we do have a Zebra category.. 04:00 dcook Not sure how anyone would ever find it though.. 04:01 eythian OK, another question. Koha returns results for 'trau' but yaz-client doesn't 04:02 dcook Ah, now that is an interesting one 04:02 dcook At this point, I'd need you to do a "warn" either after buildQuery or before getRecords (or whatever it's called) 04:02 dcook Just to see what sort of PQF it's creating 04:03 dcook By default, yaz-client is doing a "kw,wrdl" search 04:03 eythian in opac-search? 04:03 dcook But Koha adds heaps of other stuff in 04:03 dcook yeah, that would probably be the best place to do it 04:04 dcook Yeah, just before "getRecords" in opac-search 04:04 eythian opac-search.pl: (rk=(Title-cover,ext,r1="trau" or ti,ext,r2="trau" or Title-cover,phr,r3="trau" or wrdl,fuzzy,r8="trau" or wrdl,right-Truncation,r9="trau? " or wrdl,r9="trau")) not (rk=( ccode,ext,r1="MSDHIST" or ccode,phr,r3="MSDHIST" or ccode,wrdl,r6="MSDHIST" or ccode,wrdl,fuzzy,r8="MSDHIST" or ccode,wrdl,rt,r9="msdhist? ")) 04:04 eythian oh 04:04 eythian it's truncating anyway 04:05 eythian ahh 04:05 eythian stemming is on 04:05 eythian maybe that's it? 04:05 dcook Interesting... I thought that right-Truncation thing wasn't released het 04:05 dcook Hmm, my bad 04:06 eythian opac-search.pl: (rk=(Title-cover,ext,r1="trau" or ti,ext,r2="trau" or Title-cover,phr,r3="trau" or wrdl,fuzzy,r8="trau" or wrdl,r9="trau")) not (rk=( ccode,ext,r1="MSDHIST" or ccode,phr,r3="MSDHIST" or ccode,wrdl,r6="MSDHIST" or ccode,wrdl,fuzzy,r8="MSDHIST")) 04:06 eythian that's with stemming off 04:06 dcook I guess that's been there a while 04:06 dcook $weighted_query .= " or wrdl,right-Truncation,r9=\"$stemmed_operand\"" 04:06 dcook or rather 04:06 dcook $weighted_query .= " or wrdl,right-Truncation,r9=\"$stemmed_operand\"" 04:06 dcook if ( $stemming and $stemmed_operand ) 04:06 dcook I suppose I should've sent you this way first :p 04:06 eythian heh 04:06 dcook C4::Search::_build_weighted_query() 04:07 dcook But you got to learn more about yaz-client along the way :D 04:07 eythian yeah :) 04:07 * dcook really wants to re-write _build_weighted_query... or rather buildQuery 04:07 dcook I also really should eat something.. 04:07 eythian so what's the meaning of '?' to zebra under right-truncation? 04:10 dcook It's the truncation operator 04:10 eythian oh, I presumed it was * 04:10 dcook Nah, that's something we've done I think 04:10 eythian oh right 04:10 dcook It's a bit weird to be honest 04:10 dcook Let's see.. 04:10 eythian yep 04:11 dcook "@truncation ? *" in ccl.properties 04:11 eythian ah k 04:12 dcook Hmm 04:12 eythian I expected stemming to be working with language guides, so it could correctly conjugate. 04:12 dcook Ah right. In theory we could use regex in truncation where ? and * would have different meanings, but we don't 04:12 eythian that's how it's supposed to work in general 04:13 dcook Hmm? 04:13 eythian ah yeah 04:13 eythian stemming 04:13 wahanui i heard stemming was off, however 04:13 dcook Makes sense 04:13 dcook Something not working with stemming? 04:13 eythian it's just that doing word* is not stemming 04:13 dcook Or you mean how we've implemented it? 04:13 eythian that's just right truncation 04:13 dcook Ah, the stemming happens earlier 04:14 dcook C4::Search::_build_stemmed_operand 04:14 eythian taking "stem" and producing "stems", "stemming", "stemmed" is how it's supposed to work 04:14 dcook It uses Lingua::Stem::Snowball 04:14 eythian oh right 04:14 eythian then why is it just doing right truncation here? 04:14 dcook I have wondered that before 04:14 * dcook wonders again 04:15 dcook Yeah, now that I'm looking again... I suppose it depends on how Lingua::Stem::Snowball is working 04:15 eythian one hypothesis is that if it's not a phrase recognised by snowball, it just truncates 04:16 eythian (that's speculation, not looking at code) 04:18 eythian ahh 04:19 dcook Ooh. I like ahhs 04:19 eythian snowball chops off things like 'ing' 04:19 eythian and then we replace it with ? 04:19 dcook Yeah, it would get you the stem 04:19 eythian makes sense 04:19 dcook I was going to say that before the phone rang 04:19 eythian heh 04:19 * dcook shakes his head 04:19 dcook Yeah, getting the stem from conjugated words. 04:20 dcook And it should be able to handle a lot of different languages if it uses locale correctly 04:20 eythian it pulls from the MARC language perhaps 04:20 eythian no 04:20 eythian that can't be right 04:20 eythian it must pull from your language settings 04:24 eythian it seems limited 04:25 dcook my $lang = C4::Templates::getlanguage($cgi, 'opac'); 04:25 eythian for example, dutch prefixes with ge- where we'd append -ed, but that won't be handled I expect. 04:25 dcook That's very interesting 04:25 dcook You mean the stemmer is limited or our implementation? 04:26 eythian we just append ? 04:26 dcook Or both? 04:26 wahanui both is best :) 04:26 eythian I don't know what the stemmer would do 04:27 dcook Apparently there's a stemmer for it 04:27 dcook http://search.cpan.org/~creamyg/Lingua-Stem-Snowball-0.952/lib/Lingua/Stem/Snowball.pm#stem 04:27 dcook or rather: 04:27 dcook http://search.cpan.org/~creamyg/Lingua-Stem-Snowball-0.952/lib/Lingua/Stem/Snowball.pm#Supported_Languages 04:30 dcook I'm bad at this eating on time thing.. 05:03 dcook And now it's so late I may as well just have an early dinner.. 05:04 eythian heh 05:04 dcook I recalled that I had a bag of peanuts to make do until then 05:04 dcook Apparently we're having epic burgers tonight 05:04 dcook My friend and I. Not my vegan wife and I :p 05:04 dcook Although... Lord of the Fries does do some amazing vegan burgers 05:07 dcook eythian: you'll love this: 05:07 dcook "In e-mails reproduced in the ITO, Mr. Livingston and his subordinates discussed how to “double delete†e-mails – erasing them from both the inbox and the server – so that they cannot later be retrieved." 05:07 eythian haha 05:08 dcook It would only be better if they'd written "In e-mails retrieved in the ITO..." 05:08 eythian good old fundamental misunderstandings of how things work 05:08 dcook Yeppers 05:09 dcook That reminds me of a book at home I really need to remember to read 05:09 dcook Something something about how to use electronic records as evidence in court 05:10 eythian it'd be interesting 05:10 dcook I think so. 05:10 dcook Actually, I really enjoyed the start of Wool 05:10 dcook It talks about a character finding "double deleted" data ;) 05:11 eythian yeah, good series that 05:11 dcook Still working on the sequel atm 05:12 dcook Breezed through the first one, although that was probably thanks to the holidays 05:12 eythian yeah, good holiday read 05:13 dcook Twas a very unexpected gift from a friend 05:13 dcook Making it double good :) 05:14 eythian indeed. I bought it for myself lateish last year 05:15 dcook How did you hear about it? 05:15 dcook After I'm finished with it, I'm going to have a bit of a reading vacuum 05:15 dcook I'm part way through American Gods, but it's a bit tedious to me 05:15 dcook which is odd as I often like Neil Gaiman's writing 05:16 dcook (I didn't know that adding a newline to die would remove the "at in file blah.pl line 123" bit... that's great to know..) 05:20 eythian a friend of mine recommended it 05:20 eythian yeah, I find American Gods to be a bit more draggy than his other stuff 05:20 eythian $ perl -e 'die "test"' 05:20 eythian $ perl -e 'die "test\n"' 05:21 dcook Awesome stuff 05:21 dcook I'll have to keep that in mind 05:21 dcook Good ol' recommendations 05:21 eythian I generally prefer the Carp functions 05:21 dcook I can't say I've looked at them too much 05:22 eythian they'll do things like show errors from the point of view of the calling function 05:22 eythian so you know what caused the error, rather than just knowing that you're in the middle of a utility function, say 05:23 dcook I was just reading that :) 05:23 dcook That would be awesome 05:23 dcook Trying to backtrack is annoying as... 05:24 eythian yep 05:24 eythian see also 'confess' which produces a stack trace 05:24 dcook Yeah, just saw that too :) 05:24 dcook Also good to keep in mind 05:27 dcook @later tell tcohen I envy your congeniality :) 05:27 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded. 05:33 eythian hmm, it's getting very dark outside 05:33 eythian sunset isn't for another 2 hours 05:33 eythian glad I packed a raincoat 05:54 eythian I'm outta here now, bye! 05:54 * eythian & 06:01 dcook laters eythian 06:23 * magnuse waves 06:38 magnuse eythian++ for http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_Zebra 07:44 marcelr hi #koha 07:49 reiveune hello 08:02 cait good morning #koha 08:03 alex_a bonjour 08:03 cait hi alex_a ) 08:05 marcelr hi cait alex_a reiveune 08:07 cait hi marcelr 08:15 drojf good morning #koha 08:26 gaetan_B hello 08:46 * cait waves 08:50 drojf hi cait 08:50 drojf gotta go, later #koha 09:12 kivilahtio kivilahtio 09:12 wahanui i think kivilahtio is working to integrate our SMS provider to Koha 09:16 kivilahtio akafred: I am curious about the Cucumber + Watir Webdriver, but it looks like it is quite Rubyish, and I am afraid not many share the love for Ruby. I am not looking forward to adding an extra language to the Koha testing stack. But there must be some kind of an solution :) 09:16 kivilahtio but it sounds cool 09:24 rangi https://metacpan.org/release/Test-BDD-Cucumber 09:25 magnuse yeah, you can do cucumber in perl 09:26 akafred Yeah ... browser-based tests are fickly, but they also give some confidence that stuff works, with JS and all. Cucumber-Ruby is quite common, also when testing web-based systems not written in Ruby. 09:26 kivilahtio magnuse: yay! 09:27 akafred I don't have any experience with Cucumber in perl; also it is important to have a nice webdriver-binding - I don't know if there is any? 09:27 akafred ... in perl? 09:29 rangi there are perl drivers for selenium, watir is just a layer on top of selenium anyway 09:31 rangi and if you want to simulate IE, you can use win32::watir 09:47 * ashimema is now a dad.. :) 09:49 kivilahtio congratulations ashimema! 09:49 magnuse congratulations!!! 09:49 magnuse confetti! 09:49 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 09:49 ashimema :) 09:49 kivilahtio I am so happy for you! 09:49 ashimema I'm a doting dad now :) 09:49 kivilahtio doting? 09:49 ashimema 'tis a lovely feeling 09:49 rangi congrats ashimema 09:50 ashimema doting = excessively or foolishly affectionate 09:50 kivilahtio sounds reasonable 09:52 kivilahtio would it be a bad idea to refactor dateaccessioned to something like datereceived? Or have a new database column for datereceived? I know datereceived is already in the acquisitons module tables, but those pesky acquistions tables need cleaning too 09:52 rangi accessioned is a different thing to received, you want both 09:52 kivilahtio I just finished doing some horrible annual statistics work for our Koha, and it was such a pain to find out check-outs for deleted/not-deted items and deleted/not-deleted biblios and if htey are acquired, or juvenile material or musical stuff 09:53 kivilahtio and the Koha DB certainly would take some improvements regarding our statistical needs (and quite certainly other peoples needs as well) 09:53 kivilahtio rangi: I was hoping to have a unfied way inside the Community Koha to show when the Item has been received in the library? 09:53 rangi did you use the statistics table? 09:54 kivilahtio rangi: it didnät have 1/4th of the statistical markers we needed 09:54 rangi kivilahtio: received and accessioned are 2 different things 09:54 rangi so you cant unify those two 09:54 kivilahtio rangi: yes I know, dateaccesioned is set when the Item is added to the DB 09:54 kivilahtio rangi: ok 09:54 rangi its when its catalogued 09:55 kivilahtio rangi: When we make acuisitions we tag the Items with a notforloan = "On order" 09:55 rangi and barcoded, and put dust jacket on, and processed etc 09:55 kivilahtio I guess we could make a zebra serach based on the acquisitons_date -sort excluding Items on this "on order" status 09:55 rangi sometimes it can be weeks, even months between being received and being accessioned 09:55 kivilahtio rangi: ye 09:55 rangi thats a statistic people want to report on two 09:55 rangi too even 09:56 kivilahtio rangi: i see 09:56 kivilahtio rangi: I was just checking http://www.library.org.nz/ for the new material search 09:56 rangi yep 09:57 kivilahtio hmm, you have a location for ordered items 09:58 kivilahtio rangi: we have a hack to exclude some materials from Fines (mainly childrens materisl) based on the location 09:58 rangi i dont, but yep te takere does :) 09:58 kivilahtio and we need location during the ordering/recewiving phase 09:58 kivilahtio rangi: ah sorry 09:59 kivilahtio well. I think I have a solution :) thanks for listening! 09:59 rangi they host and look after their own koha, we do bits and pieces for them, usually helping with upgrades etc (and design work) 09:59 kivilahtio rangi: ok, so you host some libraries and make developments for others ? 10:00 rangi yeah i think they have on order, and processing, and mending as locations 10:00 rangi kivilahtio: yep 10:00 kivilahtio people use Koha so differently, it is quite powerful 10:00 rangi most of the public libraries host themselves, because they usually are on not great internet connections 10:01 rangi and it's important it is fast in the library 10:01 rangi but we host a bunch of government libraries, and other specials 10:01 kivilahtio rangi: well the servers can be ion their libraries and then you can host from outside? 10:01 kivilahtio but I understand, it is good for the liobraries to be able to host them themselves 10:01 rangi http://library.education.govt.nz/ <-- thats a drupal + koha 10:02 rangi http://library.nzica.com/informed-professional/#/all/ that's a koha saved report (which outputs as json) and then angular to layout the page 10:02 rangi thats the kinda stuff we do 10:05 rangi a few of the publics do all their own upgrades now, its pretty simple on the packages, and they all are part of a council, which has a big IT dept, may as well make them earn their money ;-) 10:06 kivilahtio rangi: so what does the big IT department do? is it for libraries only or for the whole publix sector? 10:06 rangi no each public library will be part of a city council 10:06 rangi and that will have an IT dept 10:06 rangi in nz anyway 10:07 kivilahtio ok 10:11 rangi and now i should go to sleep 10:14 kivilahtio sleep tight 11:53 akafred Reservations across more than one biblio; say I don't care if I get an item from the 1973 or the 1982 edition of a book, or even if I get either one of Fodor's or Lonely Planet's Travel Guide for Paris ... how does Koha libraries solve this? 12:07 kivilahtio akafred: we dont 12:07 kivilahtio akafred: butwe need that feature as well 12:08 kivilahtio akafred: Also bear in mind, that when you receive serials using the serials module, you cannot place a hold on any serial number, ou can only place holds on a Item 12:08 kivilahtio akafred: we call those holds "parallel holds" where if any hold is caught, all other parallel holds dissolve. 12:09 kivilahtio akafred: The Serial Number reservation issue is another thing, but rather closely tied to this one 12:09 kivilahtio so we need "Parallel reservations" for Biblios and items 12:10 kivilahtio akafred: we are hoping to get that feature in our production sometime this year since it is a rather big issue, especially for the serials deprtment 12:11 akafred As a library user (and library system novice) it is a bit strange that this isn't a common feature in ILSs (the proprietary system used in OPL today has this feature, but only through the interface for the librarians. 12:12 kivilahtio Does anybody kniw where are the tutorial files fro Zebra indexer (http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/tutorial.html) ? 12:13 kivilahtio I just cannot make sense of the xslt-modules. I am trying to add an aggregate index which is calculated from all appearances of a subfield inside on Record. 12:14 kivilahtio so, if a Biblio has 20 Items, of which 952$7 has different values, I want to know if just one of those Items has a special value. 12:15 kivilahtio But that same Item should have another value 12:16 drojf kivilahtio: is there an rfc for parallel reservations? (sounds like you are working on it) 12:16 kivilahtio drojf: I am not working on it 12:16 kivilahtio drojf: we have some improvement regarding holds, but that is something we don't necessarily have to have right now 12:16 drojf ok 12:16 kivilahtio drojf: so we are prioritizing low hanging fruit :) 12:24 cait akafred: not sure how common it is - i seem to remember symphony had this feature, but I have never seen or heard of it in another ILS 12:25 cait kivilahtio: small steps! 12:25 wahanui small steps are going to be difficult... I'm not pushing anything that I can't even kind of test. 12:25 cait :) 12:27 kivilahtio cait: thanks 12:27 kivilahtio cait: I will take it to heart, when I find it :) 12:27 cait the heart???? 12:27 kivilahtio just kidding 12:27 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 12:27 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 5.0°C (1:20 PM CET on February 09, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 12:28 kivilahtio why is the Zebra indexers manual pages stating on the tutorial that there are example files but there are none :( 12:28 drojf need. more. caffeine. 12:28 kivilahtio drojf: I need a vacation :) 12:28 drojf actually, i need sleep. but i'm not going to get that 12:28 drojf yes i'd take vacation too :D 12:29 kivilahtio drojf: I need somebody to put me to bed before 12:00 12:29 drojf i need somebody to do all the stuff, i would go to bed all by myself in return 12:40 * cait wont' comment 12:49 tcohen mornin! 12:50 tcohen hi cait 12:50 cait morning tcohen 12:52 cait hi tcohen :) 13:14 tcohen any jenkins guru? 13:26 tcohen Joubu: can u write a folowup with your proposed change for 13602 13:27 tcohen =D 13:49 cait bug 13602 13:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13602 major, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Passed QA , Username/password already exists when editing borrower attributes and messaging preferences 13:51 Joubu tcohen: sorry, I am a bit busy today 13:51 tcohen cait: i have it on my master branch right now 13:53 cait hm? 13:53 cait ah, was just looking up what you were talking about 13:59 akafred tcohen: I would say I'm a Jenkins guru, but I have managed a couple of Jenkins instances and configured a few jobs ... any particular question? (I don't have admin on the koha-community-jenkins, so if it is related to that I'm a bit crippled...) 13:59 tcohen oh 14:01 tcohen I get this when loading a task's page: http://snag.gy/EMTJ6.jpg 14:05 akafred tcohen: https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-26496 14:09 akafred tcohen: "Updating Disk Usage to 0.25 indeed fixes the issue." --- seems you need to upgrade a Jenkins plugin ... 15:27 tcohen akafred: thank, you rule! 15:32 akafred yay! ;.) 16:26 reiveune bye 16:53 greenall hey folks 16:54 greenall Can you remind me what I need to do to get Authorised values for LOST to be visible in the item's interface? 16:55 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12543 - Add userid as matchpoint for "Import patrons" tool <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=011d8e9855ffeb1779f5c1aadc9f4367c298cee7> / Bug 13404: [QA Follow-up] Minor rewording of some warnings <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=09edfe8d53f91d150c39be9ec41bc24c82ce93dd> / Bug 13404 [QA Followup] <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff; 16:55 cait greenall: which page do you mean? 16:56 cait do you mean the pull down on the edit item form? 16:56 greenall "Edit item" 16:56 cait hm it depends on hte version 16:56 greenall That's the one 16:56 greenall 3.18 16:56 cait i think it's recommended that you set the lost sttus from the detail page > items tab - to trigger all the right behaviour 16:57 cait but i think you can make it visible from administration > bibliographic frameworks > 952 > subfields... 16:57 greenall OK, we saw that, it breaks the automated tests we run :D 16:57 greenall We will have to code for that if that is the recommended way of doing things 16:58 greenall cait: thanks :) 16:58 cait np 16:58 cait we don't do much witht he lost status so far, it's still mostly on my #test all the options' list 17:02 greenall We have many lost statuses (stati?!) and they "*add much benefit for all™*" 17:32 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #305: NOW UNSTABLE in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/305/ 17:32 jenkins_koha * Marc Veron: Bug 13450 - Title and breadcrumb of Patron form can look weird in translations 17:32 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13450 [QA Followup] - Remove tab character from start of line 17:32 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 13418: Clean C4::VirtualShelves::Page a bit 17:32 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 13418: [QA Follow-up] Use unshift instead of push 17:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13450 minor, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Title and breadcrumb of Patron form can look weird in translations 17:32 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 13418: Clean C4::VirtualShelves::Page - Part 2 17:32 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 13638 - Batch patron modification tool missing option to switch language 17:32 jenkins_koha * Olli-Antti Kivilahti: Bug 13602 - Username/password already exists when editing borrower attributes and messaging preferences 17:32 jenkins_koha * Julian Maurice: Bug 13562: Fix item search on item MARC subfields 17:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13418 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , The C4::VirtualShelves::Page needs some cleaning 17:32 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 13602: (QA followup) take advantage of the defined-or operator 17:32 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 13352: On editing, prices should not be formatted 17:32 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83@web.de: Bug 13352: QA Follow-up: Remove Price filter from "Warning at (%)" 17:32 jenkins_koha * Fridolin Somers: Bug 13401 - sort branches alphabetically in admin/authorised_values.pl 17:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13638 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Batch patron modification tool missing option to switch language 17:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13602 major, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Pushed to Master , Username/password already exists when editing borrower attributes and messaging preferences 17:32 jenkins_koha * Mirko Tietgen: Bug 13404 - More System information about GRS1 vs DOM settings 17:32 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13404 [QA Followup] 17:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13562 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Item search: Not possible to add other search fields from 952? 17:32 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 13404: [QA Follow-up] Minor rewording of some warnings 17:32 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 12543 - Add userid as matchpoint for "Import patrons" tool 17:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13352 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Editing amount in Acquisitions budget causes error due to formatting 17:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13401 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , sort branches alphabetically in admin/authorised_values.pl 17:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13404 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Master , More System information about GRS1 vs DOM settings 17:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12543 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add userid as matchpoint for "Import patrons" tool 17:39 gaetan_B1 bye 18:18 rsz tcohen: hi, do I need to do --create-db after --populate-db? 18:19 tcohen rsz: you don't need --populate-db if you are reusing an external DB 18:19 rsz I thought of keeping my working koha version untouched, so I am going ahead with a from scratch db.. 18:20 rsz I am done doing populate-db.. 18:20 rsz it said: Koha instance is empty, no staff user created. 18:20 rsz (is this good news or bad news)? 18:21 tcohen rsz: i'm not sure what are you trying to do 18:22 rsz after populate db when I do a2enmod <lib>; it says module <lib> does not exist(probably apache) 18:22 rsz just confirm if I need to do create-db after populate-db? 18:23 rsz I will summarize my steps here: 1)created koha-common.cnf(for remote db settings) 2)did request-db 3)got db,user,grants done on remote db 4)done calling populate-db 18:27 * rsz_ is wondering to proceed with --create-db or not!? 18:42 rsz_ I went ahead with --create-db, my server says instance is up & running, webpage says koha's sorry unavailable page! 18:52 rsz_ I am unable to load my <serverip>/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl page for configuration, what could be wrong!? 18:55 tcohen @later tell Joubu please remind me the bug # for the failing acq tests 18:55 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 19:06 tcohen later #koha 19:06 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13007: DBIC updates <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=314523f9493e544ae79e64789a801c84418674fa> / Bug 13007: DBRev 3.19.00.009 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=761527b0267beedcd35dddde4388a855d35adbc3> / Bug 13007: Special case budgetid == '' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f7220ba07250ba4caa9a19e492f779240d04ffc2> / Bug 13 19:10 cait hi #koha 19:26 magnuse hi cait 19:27 cait hi magnuse 19:31 magnuse @wunder boo 19:31 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (8:20 PM CET on February 09, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.33 in 993 hPa (Steady). 19:31 magnuse summer! 19:31 wahanui well, summer is here now 20:00 magnuse wb tcohen 20:01 tcohen hi magnuse 20:01 tcohen isn't it pizza time yet? 20:05 cait it's not friday? 20:06 * tcohen thought it was all dyas 20:06 tcohen :-D 20:06 tcohen was thinking of the tiem of the day 20:06 tcohen git-bz? 20:06 wahanui somebody said git-bz was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration 20:06 tcohen thanks wahanui 20:08 magnuse friday 20:08 magnuse friday? 20:08 magnuse friday is pizzaday 20:09 magnuse not every day is pizzaday :-) 20:15 cait that makes me sad 20:18 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5511: DBRev 3.19.00.010 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8f690a135edf531ee3576bc1fb4fa81b0d954477> / Bug 10900: 2 occurrences more <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cf8cc47f6d0e6c20a1d14959f2811e3d74b35e1e> / Bug 10900 - Follow up, since more has been added to master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bd769213eb3c361cc56128b2482 20:18 rangi morning 20:18 rangi @wunder nzwn 20:18 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (9:00 AM NZDT on February 10, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa (Rising). 20:19 cait morning :) 20:19 tcohen morning rangi! 20:20 rangi https://gitorious.org/kohakudos/koha-kudos/source/eef23e4acc0b92b3f7577215bf9da0825e2f4f39: 20:20 rangi for those who are interested 20:20 rangi thats what makes the patches pushed and signoffs bit on the dashboard 20:20 tcohen YAY! 20:20 rangi please update the orgmap file if you want 20:20 rangi tcohen: i seen manuel has a signoff already! 20:21 tcohen ah, yes, he deserved it 20:21 tcohen he stood against the screen with me a long pushing sesssion 20:21 tcohen :-P 20:21 rangi heh 20:23 tcohen I thought no one would notice 20:23 tcohen :-D 20:24 rangi i see everything ;) 20:24 cait heh it's true 20:24 rangi opinions on bug 13235 20:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13235 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Revise layout of patron search form 20:25 rangi push for 3.18.4 .. leave for 3.20 only? 20:25 cait hm it reverts back 20:25 rangi so its fixing a regression? 20:25 cait i'd like to have it back 20:25 cait easier for translations 20:25 rangi right, if its a regression fix, all good 20:25 cait it revets an accidental change that came in with 9811 20:26 rangi ah yep, ok cool thanks 20:47 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #306: NOW UNSTABLE in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/306/ 20:47 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 12842: Add DDC classification numbers to MARC21 XSLT detail page 20:47 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 13201: GetSuggestion takes suggestionid 20:47 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13298 - Holds ratios report ignores ordered items 20:47 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13299 - Add home library column to the holds ratios report 20:47 jenkins_koha * Mark Tompsett: Bug 11954 - Clean up currency default files 20:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12842 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Add classification to MARC21 XSLT detail page 20:47 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12944: Refactor the patron autocomplete 20:47 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12944: Search orders by basket creator 20:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13201 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , GetSuggestion takes suggestionid 20:47 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 12944 [Patron lists follow-up] There is no way to search orders by creator 20:47 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12944: The autocomplete should only be applied for the form 20:47 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12944: Fix regression on translating 20:47 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 12944: (QA followup) fix POD errors from koha-qa.pl 20:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13298 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Holds ratios report ignores ordered items 20:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13299 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add home library column to the holds ratios report 20:47 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 13007: Add a foreign key for suggestions.budgetid 20:47 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 13007: Special case budgetid == '' 20:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11954 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Clean up currency default files 20:47 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 13007: DBRev 3.19.00.009 20:47 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 13007: DBIC updates 20:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12944 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , There is no way to search orders by creator 20:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13007 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , suggestions.budgetid should be a foreign key 21:21 jenkins_koha Starting build #44 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS) 21:27 eythian hi 21:27 wahanui kia ora, eythian 21:27 cait hi eythian 21:29 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #307: NOW UNSTABLE in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D7/307/ 21:29 jenkins_koha * Amit Gupta: Bug - 5511: Check for Change in Remote IP address for Session Security. Disable when remote ip address changes frequently. 21:29 jenkins_koha * Amit Gupta: Bug - 5511: Added new system preference: SessionRestrictionByIP 21:29 jenkins_koha * Martin Renvoize: Bug - 5511 [Followup]: Switched defults 21:29 jenkins_koha * Martin Renvoize: Bug - 5511 [Followup]: Missed Instance 21:29 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83@web.de: Bug - 5511 [Followup]: QA Fixes 21:29 jenkins_koha * Brandon: Bug 10177 - whitespace is a valid password causing pernicious perturbations. 21:29 jenkins_koha * Brandon: Bug 10177 - Whitespace is accepted within the password but leading and trailing spaces are not. 21:29 jenkins_koha * Mark Tompsett: Bug 10900 - Incorrect calling conventions accessing C4::Context 21:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10177 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Koha Accepts Seven "Space" Characters as a Valid Password 21:29 jenkins_koha * Mark Tompsett: Bug 10900 - Follow up, since more has been added to master 21:29 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10900: 2 occurrences more 21:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10900 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Incorrect calling conventions accessing C4::Context 21:29 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 5511: DBRev 3.19.00.010 21:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5511 normal, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, Pushed to Master , Check for Change in Remote IP address for Session Security. Disable when remote ip address changes frequently. 21:32 cait eclipse-- 21:33 cait for not even starting after being installed 21:41 eythian hello cait 21:41 eythian why isn't it starting? 21:41 cait hi eythian 21:41 cait i have no idea 21:42 cait it installed without a problem 21:42 cait it asks for where to put the workspace 21:42 cait i say ok... and then it dies. 21:42 cait and i have not the patience to deal with that at this time of the evening. so i uninstaled it again 21:42 eythian ah 21:42 eythian how did you install it? 21:42 cait software center 21:43 cait or whatever they call that in english :) 21:43 eythian I'd grab it from the eclipse site, the one in distros is quite often out of date 21:43 cait i will probably install it all in my windows partition 21:43 cait the course i need it for seems to be written for windows users 21:43 eythian softwarecentrum here, I think 21:44 cait also asks for other stuff tha tmight not run in linux 21:44 eythian there's virtually no difference between using it in windows and linux, in my experience (using it to make cross-platform java software.) 21:44 eythian but, grab the one from the eclipse site either way, it's more likely to work 21:46 eythian and it's just a matter of un-tarring it and running ./eclipse 21:47 cait yeah, but i might still go the other route... not sure i want to install tomcat and the other stuff in linux yet 21:47 cait when all the instrauctions in the course are windows 21:47 cait i don't have a lot of time to figure out things - might go the easy way 21:48 eythian heh, tomcat in linux is the easy way. 21:48 cait heh 21:48 eythian that is likely to be safely apt-get installable 21:49 cait i understand you, but i still might do it differently ;) 21:49 * eythian ran a glassfish (which is like tomcat) server for several years at my last company. 21:49 cait this is not for play or fun... it's for the distance study 21:49 cait so i'd like to follow the book closely for once and avoid getting stuck 21:50 eythian fair enough, that's what VMs are for 21:53 eythian https://punkrockor.wordpress.com/2015/02/09/snowblowing-is-np-complete/ <-- for people where it's snowing 22:07 jenkins_koha Starting build #45 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS) 22:25 dcook Mmm Java apps 22:25 * dcook gives his sympathy to cait 22:26 cait thx... 22:26 cait dcook: i was wodnering, do you remember which setting collides with icu? 22:26 dcook Mmm, I think it might be Fuzzy 22:26 dcook Not 100% sure but I think it's Fuzzy 22:26 cait thought it might be fuzzy or field weighting 22:26 dcook Field weighting should be all right, although fuzzy only works with field weighting turned on 22:27 cait but in our one installation using it currently stemming is turned offand everything else on 22:27 cait it's quite confusing :) 22:27 rangi @wunder nzwn 22:27 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on February 10, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.48 in 1032 hPa (Rising). 22:27 dcook cait: Totally confusing :) 22:27 cait ok, so fuzzy + feidl weighting... 22:27 cait might have to figure it out as we go 22:27 rangi im glad its not warm today, we have no windows that open and no aircon 22:27 cait is there some obvious bug? 22:27 dcook There's also this lovely thing where field weighting can be turned off in complex queries because of bad variable scoping.. 22:27 cait @wunder Konstanz 22:27 huginn cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 1.0°C (11:27 PM CET on February 09, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Falling). 22:27 dcook rangi: Ouch.. 22:27 dcook @wunder syd 22:27 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney Airport, New South Wales is 24.0°C (9:00 AM AEDT on February 10, 2015). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.26 in 1025 hPa (Rising). 22:27 * dcook feels a bit warm today 22:38 andreashm hello everyone 22:39 cait hi andreashm 22:41 andreashm hi cait 22:45 andreashm anyone here going to the hackfest in march? 22:50 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed! 22:50 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 22:50 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_D7 build #51: FIXED in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.18.x_D7/51/ 22:50 jenkins_koha * Thomas: Bug 10241 - Easy analyticals creates two 773 fields. Search/link from host to children is broken 22:50 jenkins_koha * Mark Tompsett: Bug 13457: Suggestions.t expects sample itemtypes 22:50 jenkins_koha * Mark Tompsett: Bug 13457 - Followup for CPL and S codes 22:53 cait andreashm: yep 22:53 andreashm great 22:54 cait are you from stockhom? 22:56 andreashm I am 22:56 andreashm And going to the hackfest too. 22:57 cait I spotted an andreas on the spreadsheet - figured that might be you :) 22:58 andreashm yeah, not that great at good pseudonyms. =) 22:59 andreashm updated the spreadsheet with the nick. so I guess I have to stick with it. 23:00 andreashm but time to head off to bed unfortunately. got to remember to stop by here during daytime and not just lurking around late at night 23:00 cait :) 23:00 cait at night time you get nz here 23:00 cait at day time europe 23:00 cait well nz and australia... (sorry dcook) 23:01 cait there is always someone on 23:01 andreashm always someone here, I guess 23:01 andreashm I was just reading up on some of the rest api stuff from last weeks irc meeting. very interesting. 23:03 andreashm ok, bye cait (and everyone else) 23:03 cait bye andreashm 23:03 barton_away good '(morning|afternoon|evening|day)' #koha 23:04 barton_away cait, can I ask you a zebra index quetion, or are you headed for bed? 23:04 cait bed time sorry 23:04 cait midnight here 23:04 cait night all 23:04 wahanui goodnight cait. You'll be back. 23:05 barton_away (I suppose when I ask that way, I'm liable to get a quick *oh! well will you look at the time!* ;-) 23:06 barton_away g'nigh cait. 23:06 cait heh 23:06 dcook Wow... I just had the worst experience with some people on the OpenSuse IRC channel... 23:07 dcook Unbelievably rude and abrasive 23:07 barton_away it's a simple question, actully -- are there limits on the lenght of zebra index names? I'm seeing some things fail, and I don't know why... 23:07 barton_away that's no fun, dcook. 23:07 dcook hehe, thanks cait :) 23:08 dcook barton_away: I can probably help you when it comes to Zebra 23:08 dcook barton_away: Yeah, it was really unpleasant :( 23:08 dcook barton_away: As for your question, I'm not sure. What's failing? 23:08 barton_away dcook -- I'll pastebin it. 23:09 * dcook thumbs up] 23:15 dcook Really still sour about that OpenSuse thing 23:16 eythian http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19 <-- dcook 23:16 dcook Haha 23:16 dcook Pretty much 23:16 dcook Yeah, I've thought that one for a while... 23:17 dcook That sort of explains trolls in general 23:17 dcook If that had happened here, I would've been embarrassed by the trolls 23:17 eythian wahanui: anonymity is http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19 23:17 wahanui OK, eythian. 23:17 dcook But, as they said "40% of the people couldn't care less, and everyone else is AFK" 23:18 * dcook shakes head 23:18 dcook If I didn't have a selfish desire to get this bug fixed, I just wouldn't bother contributing there.. 23:19 eythian yeah, it's often all too easy for groups to become toxic. Especially on IRC. 23:20 dcook Yeah, I suppose I should be surprised it's not more widespread 23:20 dcook I've just had really good experiences on OFTC and freenode overall 23:20 dcook Although one day I was in #chef asking a question, and while people were really nice and friendly to me... 23:20 dcook Someone else, who appeared to be a developer, said some rather offensive stuff 23:20 dcook To someone else or just in general.. it was a bit shocking 23:22 dcook Oh well. Experience logged for next time. 23:22 eythian you're just spoilt by #koha 23:23 dcook Hehe 23:23 dcook A little bit for sure 23:24 dcook barton_away: Is that paste still on the way? 23:27 barton_away yep, still composing 23:28 dcook Cool :) 23:28 dcook I'll keep an eye on the channel :) 23:28 * eythian -> meeting 23:31 barton_away dcook: http://paste.koha-community.org/410 23:32 barton_away I think that the crux of the matter is the error ' [114] Unsupported Use attribute -- v2 addinfo '1068' 23:33 barton_away ... but there's definitely a '1068' in ccl.properties. 23:33 dcook Ah, but ccl.properties only maps a bib-1 attribute with a short-cut name 23:33 dcook You need to check if it's in... 23:33 dcook bib1.att 23:34 dcook Hmm, it does appear in my bib1.att... but that's the place to check 23:35 barton_away yep: ./etc/zebradb/biblios/etc/bib1.att:att 1068 bibliographic-reference 23:35 dcook I suppose another possibility... is that it's an empty index 23:35 dcook If I recall correctly, if the index is empty, it'll give you an error like that 23:35 * dcook will look some more at that paste and his own koha as well 23:36 dcook Yeah I'm getting that same error in yaz-client 23:36 dcook Let's see.. 23:36 barton_away dcook: so you're saying that if the index exists, but there's no data indexed, you'll get that type of error? 23:37 dcook pretty sure 23:37 dcook not 100% sure, but I think so 23:37 dcook Something in my brain suggests this 23:37 dcook You'll find the same thing happens if a database is empty 23:37 dcook Like if there are no indexed records in "biblios", it'll say "biblios is unavailable" 23:37 dcook Now "biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml" isn't exactly the file you want 23:37 dcook You want to double-check... 23:37 barton_away hm. well I *think* that I have data that should match, but I can always run xsltproc across the marcxml and see... 23:38 dcook biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl 23:38 wahanui biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl is automatically regenerated from biblio-koha-indexdefs. 23:38 dcook I'd double-check "biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl" to see if it's indexing it first 23:38 barton_away right... I'll need to use the biblio-zebra ... 23:38 dcook Then double-check your data 23:39 dcook My dev install doesn't index "bibliographic-reference" (or "Reference" as it's called in my version) 23:39 dcook So I bet you that's probably it 23:39 barton_away yep,.. we talked about six or eight weeks ago. 23:39 dcook Well, I don't actually bet... 23:39 * dcook isn't very good at gambling 23:39 barton_away heh. 23:40 * barton_away knows how to make a small fortune gambling: start with a big fortune .... 23:53 barton_away dcook: I ran xsltproc on ./kohaclone/etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl, using the marcxml for the record that I thought should match ... it did in fact show <z:index name="bibliographic-reference:w">MLA international bibliography of books and articles on the modern languages and literatures (Complete edition)</z:index> 23:53 dcook Interesting! 23:53 wahanui i heard interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad 23:54 dcook Hmm 23:54 dcook I suppose there is another thing you could try which I should've had you try before ;) 23:54 dcook In yaz-client, try: 23:54 dcook "format xml" 23:54 dcook "elements index" 23:54 dcook then do a search that you know will return the record you want 23:55 dcook That'll show you whether Zebra has that indexed content 23:55 barton_away yeah, I know that trick ... that was going to be my next thing. 23:55 dcook Best trick :D 23:55 eythian meeting over, that was pleasantly short 23:55 dcook short meetings are the best meetings 23:59 eythian this explains a lot about Germany I guess: http://i.imgur.com/X6yxoZe.jpg